'Non-femme' crossdressing?

[Tamroi]

I wonder if there are any 'non-femme' crossdressers out there?
That is people who wear clothing meant for females simply
because it's more sensible, comfortable, and/or fun,
then what men currently tend to wear?
If so please tell about it.

[GeorgeA]

You've been a member here so long that by now you should know that there are many of us who do just that. We are miads; we do not impersonate women, we just dress in clothes that we like, that are more comfortable. I, for example, do not wear wigs, jewellery, bras, women's shoes, no makeup. The clothes I wear are my normal attire and not a costume. I do not play a role. I'm dressed for comfort and convenience and not to look like someone else.

[Beverley Sims]

I think an androgynous look is what you are thinking of, there are many participants including myself.

[Millisense]

Hi Tamroi, I'm definitely just a MIAD, no makeup, no full dress-up, etc.. I tell myself I wear the things I do (nightgowns, panties) because they're more comfortable -- and they are, but that doesn't explain why I underdress in a bra at work, or why I changed to a padded bra and women's top tonight before driving home. That behavior might fall into the "fun" reason you mentioned, but I think you meant it differently. Do you dress for non-femme reasons?

[Sashauk]

I'm sure there are countless numbers like that here. As you can see from my avatar I would never pass as a woman (even at a distance) so I stick to what I do. I am always underdressed to some degree (even if it's only panties) but I like to wear all female clothing as much as I can.

I am very envious of those here that can pass, as I would love to go out as a woman, but sadly I'm just a MAID.

[coffee10]

Just as an aside.....perhaps.... .but not all womans clothes are overtly feminine ...... and not all woman ascribe to a distinctly feminine asthetic ... it makes them no less woman.
I realize this is a grey area ... but in a spirit of inclusion ... what defines cross dressing is in the eyes or mind of the beholder... For the wearer ...wear what makes you feel comfortable and enriched in the moment and equally determine how that defines your sense of gender as you see fit.

[annecwesley]

I'm moving in that direction. Privately I love to go all out with breast forms, dresses, lingerie etc. But I can't pass in public. SO I've started wearing kilted skirts and sometimes other skirts when I go for my morning walks and even sometime when I'm in the city. I recently wore a woman's kilt (with feminine underpinnings) while flying to a business conference. It's very comfortable attire actually and something a bearded person can get away with.

[Jennifer_Ph]

I'm a Man In A Skirt most days. This is me at work yesterday.
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I don't really crossdress, I just love skirts, hose, and sometimes heels. All of which I wear publicly, as a guy, no excuses given or needed.

[rhonda]

Well there's got to be starting point , this might be a good place to start and then it kinda grows on you to where you can't leave it alone

[Queen Bridget]

Quite a lot. In fact, the number of miads I've seen on the streets far outnumber full-on crossdressers.

[Asew]

I prefer to wear skirts since I find them comfortable and fun. And I have no problem with mixing my male shirts with my skirts since it what is comfortable and fits my body. Around half of my skirts are quite feminine so there is definitely a femme aspect as well.

[Teresa]

Salerba,
I find women's clothes fun and enjoyable to wear but I'm not a MIAD, I'm TG , so I do also resent those comments about impersonating women and wearing them as a costume in role play . I go out and look like Teresa and I meet the public and my friends as such , I'm heading to full time as much as I can , eventually I hope I can quit the role play in male clothes !

Tamroi,
I accept that to do every day dressed means less femme clothing , I started by saying I wouldn't wear trousers when dressed well I've had to eat my words , when out and about very few women wear dresses or skirts epecially in the colder weather , so now I have slim cut cords and jeans . At least you can dress them up by wearing heels of some description .

A funny story happened recently , I went to donate blood dressed , the waiting area had about twenty people waiting their turn, the mix of male/ female was about 50-50 , I had to smile because I was the only one wearing a skirt .

[Angela Marie]

I am comfortable in either mode. But when i'm not fully dressed I usually wear jean leggings or regular leggings.

[NancySue]

I’m very much like Jennifer. I’ve recently “discovered” skorts and love them...so comfortable (comfort is #1) Today, hose, panties, skort, flats & bra.

[Sidney]

OK, so Jennifer doesn't crossdress. I'm sorry what did you say you wear to work. I got distracted by that beautiful MGA in the picture. LOL

[Gillian Gigs]

There are as many different CD'ers as there are minutes in the year. Many of us on this site have little to no desire to go the "whole 9 yards". We just seem to like a particular aspect of dressing and do what we like, which is wear certain articles of women clothing. If there was a CD rule book it would say that there are no rules to being a CD'er, other than that you wear clothing usually worn by the opposite sex. I am mainly an underdresser with skirts thrown in, I must admit that I do love wearing hose with my skirts. Clothing should be based on need, function, desire, and not cultural history, or social convention.

[GeorgeA]

Teresa,

You have completely misunderstood my intentions. I was referring to myself, "a miad", and you state "I'm not a MIAD, I'm s TG...", therefore it does not apply to you. I've been following your adventures lately, and must say I'm full of respect and admiration and definitely not contempt.

For a miad like me to pretend that I am a woman seems like wearing a costume to achieve it. I have no transgender feelings or inclinations but fully accept and support those like you, who do.

We all are travelling on our own paths that are parallel yet different.

Regarding your mentioning that you were the only one in a skirt, it reminds me, as I always underdress, that travelling on a bus I am probably the only (one can never be sure) who is wearing a garter belt and nylons.

[Diane Smith]

I love dressing fully femme when possible and appropriate, but it is not always practical. So I have worked a few feminine items into my daily look, and go out and about as a prettier version of my drab self. I have my hair colored and styled, eyebrows shaped, and always wear high heels, long polished nails, earrings and minimal makeup, usually just lipstick and eye liner/shadow. I am sure some who see me think it is outrageous, but to my face, I am either ignored or complimented on my choices (nails seem to get the most attention). I like the way I look in this mode and have been working lately to make it my standard daily presentation.

- Diane

[Teresa]

Salerba,
Many thanks for explaining , no harm done , I accept I do get defensive sometimes , I hope it's gets less so but I know it's a leftover from having to defend every aspect of all this with my wife .

I don't underdress much these days apart from totally dumping male underpants back in February when I separated from my wife but the thought of wearing a supender belt and stockings still feels good under a skirt or dress , the real sexual high is long gone now . The problem is stockings are becomming harder to buy on the High Street .

[Jennifer_Ph]

Clothing should be based on need, function, desire, and not cultural history, or social convention.

That is the greatest sentence I have read in a long, long time!

[Pixiesmate]

I'm also a man in a skirt. I am happy in my gender identity as a male, but am drawn to the clothing that society has assigned to the "other" binary. I wear skirts, heels and hose during the work week and mostly skirts on the weekends, although I am beginning to experiment with dresses as well. I can't tell you why that is (my clothing choices), it just is. I suppose that when I started going out in public I was (while terrified initially of the possible responses) "letting my freak flag fly". (And, please, go look up the definition of that term before leaping down my throat. After all, we are all on a computer with access to the Internet.) I'm at an age where my career has been established and is coming to an end, and I no longer spend much time concerned about what others may think. I am statistically closer to the second date on my tombstone than the first, and the phrase "If not now, when?" is sounding louder in my subconscious every day. I am much happier now than I was before I started flying my own flag.

[phili]

I of course am a MIAD, and but the mirl part is important- I'm a girl too. I want my skirt to be seen as covering a feminine sexuality, rather than a male sexuality [think Roman centurion] Since I am male, it requires others to be able to conceptualize that, and I think all our effeminate gay brethren have blazed the trail, along with moderation in the masculinity standards, so it is understood in my case. I am jauntily carrying a purse, not stern and carrying a briefcase.

[CynthiaD]

I like to wear female clothing because it really is more sensible and comfortable than male clothing. (The person who invented pants must have been some sort of sadist.) But it's so much more fun with breastforms, a wig and a little makeup!

Oh, and purses are soooo much more sensible than pockets.

[Jodie_Lynn]

I have worn women's jeans for years, simply because they fit me better than guy jeans.

And because, apparently in my area, the guys are all oompa-loompas. If the guy jeans fit my waist, they come to my knees; If the leg fits, then you could fit three of me in the waist.
Women's size 6T fits me perfectly.

[Tamroi]

I wonder if there are any 'non-femme' crossdressers out there?
That is people who wear clothing meant for females simply
because it's more sensible, comfortable, and/or fun,
then what men currently tend to wear?
If so please tell about it.

That's me asking. Thanks much, everyone.

Except for wearing 'cis' on occasions when it's polite,
I wear all the time, anywhere, a tunic dress or tank and skirt, pantyhose, and boobs.
I have a beard and long hair. I enjoy dry shaving everywhere but my face.
People are friendly. Especially women. I've never had any problem.
It took a while, way back, to conquer a fear.

Thanks also for teaching me the word 'miad'.
Can we have a miad subforum?

If anyone has had any problem please describe it.
I suspect that there are many who are unnecessarily fearful,
and that most men will join us if we are casually open.

[Janet Bern]

panties and 1/2 slips have replaced briefs and boxers

[ellbee]

...because it's more sensible, comfortable, and/or fun...

Yes, yes & yes! :D


And yes, there are plenty of us like that here. Not everyone does the whole kit-&-kaboodle of getting completely dolled-up to present as a female... I *used* to, so I know where they may be coming from. Hey, nothing wrong with that, more power to them.

Won't get into the whole spiel for the millionth time, but yeah, I'd be considered as a MIAD -- only I don't wear dresses. ;)


Instead, I'll just do a quick run-down of how CD'ing played a role in my life the past couple days I've had off from work...

- Shaved my face, and "manscaped" my body hair. Meh, average guys do that all the time.

- Exfoliated & shaved my legs. (Okay, most guys *don't* do that. :heehee: )

- Hand-washed a bunch of my panties in the sink.

- Later yesterday evening, I threw on work-out panties (yes, there's such a thing), a padded sports-bra, women's work-out leggings (mainly black with a small silver diamond print), and a short-sleeve women's work-out top. Just kinda chilled out for a while, which was much-needed.

- Around 10pm, I decided to go for a walk. Didn't change, but threw on some no-show socks, women's running shoes & a women's lightweight stretchy zip-up hoodie. My apartment complex is *huge*, and the "driveway" is very long... Back & forth a few times, and you start talking some mileage. Didn't feel like hitting the main road this time, as it had just stopped raining. Several pedestrians & cars saw me. Honestly, with the MIAD-thing, do it often enough & you just eventually stop caring... They're just my clothes. Besides, many of my neighbors already know my outfits by now. :heehee:

- Back at home, went a little crazy & did some online shopping. Picked up 6 pairs of women's work-out leggings. Original plan was just one or two. :doh:

- Slept in my panties & leggings. (A good pair of leggings are *soooo* freakin' versatile. :devil: )

- Wake up, also throw on a guy t-shirt. Putter around. Realize I need to do my laundry, so on goes the no-show socks & women's running shoes. Hit the communal laundry room in my building. Also throw out my trash & get the mail. Nobody around that I could see... Doesn't matter either way, because again, my neighbors are already well-aware of my outfits, LOL.


I dunno, that's about it so far. Yes, very boring & mundane, as it relates to all this... Just the way it should be, IMO. No highs & lows, no thrills or adventures, no freaking out or sneaking around.

Just a MIAD in women's activewear, going about their daily life. :)

[GeorgeA]

Tamroi wrote:

Thanks also for teaching me the word 'miad'.
Can we have a miad subforum?


That's a very good suggestion. I've been considering something like that.

While we are all crossdressers, being a miad seems a bit different. I, of course, can't speak for others but I seem to feel that I am not really a part of this community.

When I first joined the forum I was slightly surprised by the number of people whose objectives were to look and behave like women and "to pass".

As a lifelong miad I had not realised that so many were so different than I. I always assumed that all transvestites were like I.
Wearing skirts and lingerie but being and feeling male at all times.

Reading posts and especially viewing pictures I discovered that I am not like that at all. Once in a while there was a post from someone who seemed more like I

One day a poster used an expression "man in a dress" and that gave me an idea to coin a designation "miad" to describe those of us who may not be "mainstream" crossdressers but crossdressers nevertheless.

I received many replies from both miads and others, mostly positive.

The expression seems to have caught on and is being used regularly, of which I'm glad as I could never find a word that described me correctly.

It seems there are more of us here than I at first thought.

[ellbee]

I dunno, but I think this forum may possibly over-represent the "totally en-femme" portion of the CD'ing population? :strugglin


Like, I'm sure there are plenty of dudes out there who simply only wear panties and/or pantyhose, during some period(s) of their life, as some sort of sexual release behind closed doors, perhaps ashamedly so, whipping them off immediately afterwards -- and that's as far as it ever goes for them.

So, put yourself in their shoes... Would you even think of registering & posting here, let alone even visiting or finding this site, in the first place? Why would they? And not knocking this place, or anything, in the least bit. I realize this is a site for everyone, including loved ones. But those who I described above, maybe it's just something they "do" every once in a while, on their own. And that's it for them.


I know for a fact that there's also a segment of the younger generation (not on this forum), who are like, "Uh, yeah... Not gay or anything, but sometimes at home I wear my GF's yoga pants, like while watching TV or something. Those things are damn comfy! Who knew?? :eek: "

And again, that's pretty much it for them.


Nope, no "ramping it up"... "Oh, hey... I bet if I stretched out a long t-shirt while wearing these pantyhose, it would look kinda like a dress. Oh, wow, it does! Man, I wonder if I should buy a real dress sometime, like on eBay or something? Nah, that's crazy!"

And before he knows it, he now owns 5 dresses & 3 skirts. :heehee:

"Gotta get a pair of high-heels, why not? Those things are sexy! Stuff a bra, too? Gonna need a big pair of boobs. And I might as well try some make-up, too, while I'm at it... But just a little, like lipstick & eyeliner. Damn, that looks hot! Hmm, if I comb my hair a certain way, while wearing make-up, it looks kinda girlish. Maybe get a wig? Nah, pushing things too far. But I bet I would look pretty hot. Hmm, there's a party store on my way home from work..." Etc., etc. :devil:

Nope, not everyone goes down that "slippery slope," as they may coin it. Some do, sure. But I reckon many of them never will, for whatever reason(s).


But to sum up, I think there are many CD'ers out there "unaccounted for," who do just the panties/pantyhose thing for sexual release, or the leggings thing for comfort (and perhaps also release) -- without ever taking it further.

Heck, they're not even MIAD's, really. But perhaps some here are closer to that, than they are to others here?


Anyway, one more thing, to keep in mind. Actually, 2 more... :D

First, some "totally en-femmers" here may also do the MIAD thing on occasion. Like, if they don't have the time/energy/opportunity to go full-on. So, part-time MIAD's? Would they be included in this group, too? Or are they just being "lazy" CD'ers? :strugglin

Second, I believe some of us MIAD's may be a bit unintentionally misleading, on the surface. I say that, because although we may *present* as a MIAD, at least to an outside observer... There may be more to it, more than just face value, going on behind-the-scenes, in the depths of our hearts, minds & souls. IOW, we might not always necessarily be "feeling male at all times," as Salerba mentioned. Does this "disqualify" us as MIAD's? :strugglin


It can all be very complicated, I guess. Obviously not up to me, but maybe we do need a new sub-forum, in order to flesh this out more (with all the extra trimmings) -- and for the site to attract more visitors who perhaps identify more with the MIAD crowd?

Of course, we'd also need a moderator, cuz I'm sure the existing ones already have their plates full. Any volunteers? :D

[DaisyLawrence]

Me, all the time. Mens clothes are just too boring. Everything I own from jeans to coats comes from womens ranges.

[MarinaTwelve200]

ELLBEE---Do not be dismayed or feel "out of place" here. It's just that the "Totally en-femme" AND "this is the REAL ME" members are more prone to POST, so it only LOOKS LIKE they make up an overwhelming majority here. In reality, we have a pretty good mix of different CD types. I consider MY CD form, Marina, my "NOT ME" form I go to to "get away from myself"----I thought I was the only one like that, BUT via responses and messages, there are lots of folks like me here---Just not posting as much. Still I get to see other forms of CD and learn about them. ALSO a lot of us are also the "Non femme" types---at least sometimes.

[Lacey New]

I particularly like the feel of women’s nylon brief panties and would wear them in lieu of men’s underwear if I could. Other than that, I do put on a dress from time to time complete with lingerie just for fun. As such, I consider myself a casual cross dresser, perhaps a MIAD but never fully femme with wig, makeup, shoes and accessories -although I would not rule the fully femme thing out if the oppportunity presented itself. I’m sure that there are many of us who are “CD lite”

[GeorgeA]

Marina,

A very good post and you are absolutely right that we know more about those that are vocal and not the quiet ones. This applies to other aspects of life. We hear about the bad guys who do something newsworthy but what about those millions of people who lead their normal lives and never or seldom get into news.

As far as miads are concerned I think Ellbee is right and that there are many who may not consider themselves to be CDs never mind "miads".

You are also right that this forum opens our eyes on all aspects of crossdressing with its multitudes of varieties. It's very interesting and informative to read comments from people who are similar yet different from us.

It's like taking a sociology or psychology course at a university. Maybe even better, as we learn from actual people and not dry textbook specimens.

P.S. I just noticed that it's my post #666. An omen?

[Charona]

I come much closer to the MIAD category than any other. Even the makeup crew who did Dustin Hoffman in the movie Tootsie couldn't make me passable as a woman. I have tried women's panties, but have found none as comfortable as no underwear at all. I tried a bra, from curiosity, but didn't find it anything like the sometimes touted " hug all day." The most comfortable women's undergarment seems to me to be a fairly short half-slip. Winter brings forth pantyhose or tights, usually the support or shaper styles which at least for me actually stay in place. I have infrequently worn a skirt out in public, but never found a dress that fits acceptably. I might consider a kilt, if I could find one to try on. I suppose I am simply doomed to my fate.