MALE or FEMALE

[deebra]

Let's say you are single and in your early 20's, making big bucks as an engineer in what would be considered as an all male field that required checking job sites in coveralls. And you have had a makeover that transformed you into a beautiful feminine woman, and you pass 100% as a woman. Hormones, plastic surgery, etc. would just make it better. You prefer being a woman. You think about it all of the time. Dress when ever you can and go about in public. Would you give up the good male job $$$ and start all over? All the problems that would go with burning the boxers and wearing panties full time? Perhaps a whole new place to live. Being an engineer just wouldn't work with soft hands and manicured feminine finger nails. What kind of female job could you get and keep the same $$$. Would you????

[Jackiefl]

Another what if scenario

[Jaylyn]

I don't want to sound backwards or try to tick off any GG s on here but there are a few male jobs that would be dangerous for GGs to do. Not saying they couldn't because I see a few doing them but not to the extent of GMs in the field. One is working on a oil drilling rig. It's dangerous enough for big burly guys but most GGs are just not built for that job. Most oil workers get a decent pay and the pushers on the rig make big dollars. I've seen a few GGs in the oil fields but not many and none with the pretty manicured finger nails or soft hands. I would not give up my job to be a GG and I'm more of a rancher farmer type occupation. This doesn't mean I can't dress at home in the privacy of my own place or wear my panties under neath my wranglers. My wife enjoys going out to the farms with me but she doesn't do the hard labor. She's soft as I call it but building a barbed wire fence is just not her thing. The farm and oil business is one where unless you can hire hands you have to make certain sacrifices if want to keep those jobs. I like the money to much to change.

[Robertacd]

Why would you have to give up the job?

[Cheryl T]

I'd like to know why you couldn't keep your job as an engineer?
Is there some rule somewhere that engineers are male?

[Robertacd]

That's what I was thinking too, Cheryl.

I have worked with some truly brilliant female electrical and mechanical engineers throughout my carier.

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As much as I hate to drag this thread off into a new direction...

A couple harder questions:

Are you willing to accept the average %20-%30 less pay women receive for the same job as an equally qualified man?

Would you accept a pay cut or forgo a couple raises, to bring your salary in line with the other women in your office after you transition?

[Tracii G]

Such an open ended question really and its a fantasy scenario so why would a female have to take a pay cut?
Not sure I buy the wage discrepancy theory either.
I have worked with women that made more than I did at the same job.

[Robertacd]

The gender wage gap is real, but varies by occupation. I have seen it in the electrical engineering field.

But you are right, nobody would be asked to take the pay cut. But you might find that if change jobs you would end up taking a cut, as your job offers may not be as high paying as they were before.

[Tracy Irving]

All the problems that would go with burning the boxers and wearing panties full time?

Already done that, with no problems!

If I thought about it all the time, I would have to consider it. Fortunately, I am just a crossdresser with no interest in transitioning.

[docrobbysherry]

I happen to know a trans engineer who actually had to deal with dressing at her "all male employees" job. But, since this is a fantasy thread, I'll move on:

Ok, so I've suddenly become this gorgeous young woman, rite? So, why would I give a crap about working around a bunch of guys in a dirty warehouse or stuffy office?
I'd become a movie starlet. Or, maybe a big porn star? Or, Las Vegas female impersonator! Why become a stunning female and not capitalize and show yourself off? :D

Hey, that's MY fantasy! U can keep your, "I want to become a pretty engineer", fantasy!:devil:

[Gillian Gigs]

I think that this scenario is a little dated. We now live on a world in which a woman can and does fit into any job situation. Yes, I agree that the Engineering world is dominated by males, but even that is changing. Being a 20's TS and going through the change is of little consequence. If any problem arose, with todays sexual harassment policies, it would bury any male who is being a jerk. It's not women in the work force that are the issue, it's men wanting to CD in the work force. Construction work sites are a macho world, and they can be jerks to anyone who doesn't fit in to their way of thinking.

[Maid_Marion]

People working in exoskeletons is almost here. Think of jockeys on horses. Someone who is small but fit in very good health would be ideal for the new age of "physical labor."

[SabrinaEmily]

Forced feminization Fictionmania fantasy fodder, for sure.

But hey, since you asked:

Why would I give up engineering if I have the skill to make big bucks? There's no such thing as a female job, except maybe wet nurse. Hell, tech companies are falling all over each other to snap up female engineers.

I detest boxers and always have -- never wore them even before I realized I was trans, and dumped men's briefs soon after -- so that's dealt with. I can't see what problems there would be from underwear choice in this idealized scenario. That's what comes to mind? Really? That doesn't even register as "least of worries".

Anyway, this isn't the 60s anymore. You don't have to give up your whole life as you know it and meet or fake some stereotyped idea of femininity to transition.

[Rollermiss]

In my profession. You do see both Male and Female. How ever not to long ago it was considered a male only job, with about 90% being males. And that was even into the 70s. While you could see manicured nails. long nails would be a little rough. Soft hands maybe.

Kelsey

[Glenda58]

Why not stay a engineer. I know many women engineers when I worked at Ford. There's nothing they couldn't do at a man could.

[alwayshave]

If I could be early 20s again, sure.

[GracieRose]

There is no engineering job that can't be done by a woman. I hired many women engineers before I retired. Some of them came to work in cute outfits, manicured nails etc. They had no problem performing their duties on par with the guy in the next cubical. Many (large) companies go out of their way to hire women engineers since the supply of woman engineers is in short supply compared to the number of available men engineers.
There are a few engineering jobs that may require a lot of muscle, but there are male engineers that are slight of build and would struggle there also. Engineering jobs that require muscle are the exception rather than the rule.
A beautiful feminine woman checking job sites with mostly male construction workers etc. runs a risk of harassment that a male would not have to endure. However, times are changing and this is not as prevalent as it was even a decade ago. With the current "me to" movement, this is tolerated less now than in the past.
My recommendation would be to go for it, and if you feel the specific job would be difficult with soft hands and manicured nails, find another job that uses your skills that isn't rough on your hands. They are out there.

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Why not stay a engineer. I know many women engineers when I worked at Ford.
Back when I was in the auto industry, we would have said "worked at Fords" Thanks for bringing back the memory. :)

[Beverley Sims]

I have seen some attractive engineers with soft hands, high pitched voices and wearing paint on their fingernails.

And they aren't men either.

There are a lot of women engineers around but you would have to be brave on a site to be giving the men orders.

They like women too and probably can spot a fake one a mile off.

If you are in Europe 1.6 kilometers. :-)

[jennifer0918]

Are their no female engineers in the 21st century?

[Helen_Highwater]

In the past year I've watched tv programmes about 2 major engineering projects, the new underground rail link, crossrail, and the new mega sewer, both in London.

Both projects had female engineers.

The problem isn't that females can't do these roles it's that it's difficult to get females to go to university to do a degree in engineering.

Girls perform as well as boys in gaining qualifications at school. The issue is getting them to take up jobs in what were typically seen as male domains.

STEM, Science, Technology, Engineering, Maths. These are all areas were schools are pushing to get greater female engagement and rightly so.

So in answer to the post, employment should be about suitability not gender. What you know not what you look like.

[Charlotte7]

The main problem in the world, not just with engineering, but in just about every walk of life, is the Patriarchy, in that men have set up the world for the benefit of men. Change that and everything else falls into place.

[BrendaPDX]

I am from the Great Pacific North West, I know several engineers who are women, some are truly gifted, it's not a male dominated field in pay or status. Times are changing, consider a move to an more accepting social climate; have your cake and eat it too.:cheer:

[char GG]

My daughter is a mechanical engineer for a large world wide company. She travels the world and makes $$$.

[Dr.Susan]

wear work gloves, a woman can do most any job a man can

[Tracii G]

How some just take the victim route and blame Patriarchy is amazing.
I doubt men sat in smokey back rooms and thought up ways to exclude women from doing certain jobs.
I was in the transportation industry for 45 years and women were everywhere in that field and got paid the same as men. That was considered a mostly male field.
I worked in construction too and the company I worked for had women in the field laying concrete along with the guys at the same pay. Even had women on the design/engineering staff all made the same as men.
These are just examples that I have first hand knowledge of over 50 years of working in mostly male jobs.
As with any job if you excel you will make money, Char GG's daughter is a prime example.

[deebra]

Jackiefl …...Why not another scenario, it brings good discussions and opinions on subjects that affect us (CD's) and not the rest of the world. BTW, how often do you post to keep this forum interesting?

And to the others that think it would be nothing more than just a change in undies let's go back to my post. The young male engineer leaves work Friday as his usual male self and comes to work Monday in an all male office in a skirt, heels, clingy top with C's and a pretty woman's face. Would she be looked down on, some would find it discusting, not talk to her, talk badly about her, hurt feelings, isolated??? Bathroom, can't go in the men's or women's. If assigned to an on site field office with all males, same bad things maybe worse than described, verbal and physical harassment just enough not to bring charges knowing macho males would defend males. With the rest of your life ahead of you I would say choose panties and as Gracie said find another job and start day one in a skirt. And YES, if more CD's would have the courage to do this our gender choice and how we choose to dress would be accepted quicker. I know several people that did this and they are very, very happy.

[Vickie_CDTV]

Not being a TS, I wouldn't do that personally. Granted, I doubt I would do well in a rough, dirty industrial job, just not in my personal wheelhouse. I can remain a man and wear skirts to work, so I have that in real life anyway.

[Charlotte7]

I would have thought that women's rights would be a topic that, by its nature would be of great interest to us, and not something that we would merely brush under the carpet, so, I suggest that we might consider that there are certain occupations which still exclude, or have excluded women until recent history (mid 1800's for doctors for instance), remember too, that women have been subject to the vicissitudes of the law, including capital punishment for many centuries and yet it was only in the early C20th that universal suffrage was enacted in both the US and the UK. Remember too the witch burning of the C13th to C18th, during which times hundreds of thousands of women were tortured, maimed and killed for little more, in many cases, than putting the nose out of joint of the local landowner, squire or gentry (all men of course). Then there are the rights to own property, or inherit titles, land or even Kingship. The law of primogeniture, affecting which child can ascend to the English trhone was only changed in 2013. Also look across the globe where the place of women in society is precarious at best. So, yes, the Patriarchy does exist, it is real.

[Tracii G]

Charlotte why complain about the past we are not in the past we are in the present and women can do anything they want job wise.
The west has been open to women for quite a while now has it not? so you are playing the victim card essentially.
I know plenty of women that do what are considered guy jobs and they don't play the victim card.
Feminism as it is today isn't about womens rights its all about political posturing.
I never said patriarchy doesn't exist just look at the middle east but they seem to accept it for religious reasons and go about their lives.
You may not like it and think its wrong but thats the way it is in that region of the world.

[Micki_Finn]

Because there are no women engineers? Don’t even get me started...