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Charlotte7
11-21-2018, 11:51 AM
If Grayson Perry can go to Buckingham Palace and be presented with a CBE by Prince Charles (no 2 in the Royal Family), whilst he, Grayson Perry that is, not Prince Charles, is wearing a formal blue dress, and Eddie Izzard (wearing a black skirt suit) can go to York Minster and be presented with an honorary doctorate by the Archbishop of York (No 2 in the church of England), then why should it matter if anyone else decides to wear ladies clothes? If that's not the Establishment saying cross dressing is ok, then I don't know what is.

Patience
11-21-2018, 11:52 AM
But would it play in Peoria?

Charlotte7
11-21-2018, 11:58 AM
Maybe not, but fortunately for me, York is nearer than Peoria (I had to look it up :) )

Miss V
11-21-2018, 12:02 PM
It doesn't automatically mean that the royals support dressing. More that it would be a PR nightmare for them to refuse anyone to attend like that.

kimdl93
11-21-2018, 12:16 PM
I’d be willing to submit that the Archbishop and Prince Charles are considerable more aware of and experienced with human diversity than the average person. It would be nice if the average joe were able to see beyond the limits of their experience.

DaisyLawrence
11-21-2018, 01:11 PM
If it's not OK they make a law against it and last time I looked they hadn't. Good examples though. I love Grayson and his art. His latest book, 'The Descent Of Man' should be required reading by all schoolkids before the testosterone starts to flow. Work of genius.

Carole
11-21-2018, 01:49 PM
More than one member of the Royal family was into dressing in the past, alledgedly!

Gillian Gigs
11-21-2018, 02:44 PM
To quote a line from Star Trek..."to boldly go where no man has gone before". These two individuals were bold and got noticed for their effort. Some are bold, and some are not, who am I to judge why one person is and another isn't. We all just need to do what we can to make our world a better place. They may have brought CDing in a little closer to the centre with their boldness.

DIANEF
11-21-2018, 02:44 PM
Acceptance of such types as Grayson and Izzard, (who I share my birthday with by the way) is certainly encouraging, and recently on a UK quiz show (Tenable) we had a team of drag queens. Even a few adverts now have LGBT characters in them, which bodes well for the future.

Leslie Mary S
11-21-2018, 02:51 PM
All this is very interesting but where in the USA deep south does Cross Dressing play well?

Tracii G
11-21-2018, 03:05 PM
Never had a problem in the deep south and I have seen plenty of CDers in the deep south.
Often wonder why the Royal family are such a big deal they hold no power and haven't for a long time.
Status maybe but thats it.

Teresa
11-21-2018, 04:24 PM
Charlotte ,
Royalty like most others in the UK have now to be politically correct in public , what they think behind closed doors we may never know . The alternative view could be seen as the celebs you mentioned are just making a fashion statement but then behind Royalty closed doors we dodn't know how much TG issues surface , it doesn't have any social barriers , just possibly public ones behind those closed doors .

Lets not also forget it is now recognised and accepted in the armed forces and in the Police force .

As for the clergy , some have accused them of being Cders for years !

Linda Leigh
11-21-2018, 08:06 PM
I live near Peoria and no it would not play here

Beverley Sims
11-21-2018, 08:12 PM
You could probably wear a T shirt and shorts, and be who you are.

No one would bat an eyelid in these circumstances, that is except the people with similar views to yourself and wish to make an issue of it.

Amelie
11-21-2018, 08:46 PM
I guess if a pussy went to see the Queen then the Queen seeing a cd wouldn't be too much of a deal.

Diane Smith
11-21-2018, 11:22 PM
I've been out and about in Peoria many times. No problems! :)

- Diane

Patience
11-21-2018, 11:35 PM
Great to hear, Diane! I expect Chicago also, correct?


Maybe not, but fortunately for me, York is nearer than Peoria (I had to look it up :) )

It's a figure of speech. I visited York briefly once. I used to live in Leeds.

t-girlxsophie
11-22-2018, 01:25 AM
Don't let the establishment fool you,and that includes that lot at Buckingham Palace,theres many a secret behind those doors.I mean having blue blood doesn't make you perfect,despite what they like you to think

Met Grayson Perry when he was doing a documentary,partly filmed at CD weekend a few years back,he was a really interesting fellow

Sophie

Shayna
11-22-2018, 02:12 AM
Because Grayson Perry and Eddie Izzard are their crossdressers. They're OK because they know them. It's all the other crossdressers who they view as weird. I've been in several rooms where people say horrible things about Jewish people and then look over at me and say, "we don't mean you. You're OK."

Rachelish
11-22-2018, 04:03 AM
It's a question I've asked myself, having followed Grayson Perry's recent writings. I think both himself and Eddie Izzard are seen primarily as artists and eccentrics, which makes their crossdressing somehow more acceptable. It's doesn't follow, sadly, that it's then seen as OK for 'normal' folks. Grayson's life story is similar to many of those related here (apart from the fame bit of course) and I wish more people would read his books and understand better the reality of crossdressing. He's also on an interesting BBC podcast - search for "the why factor crossdressing".

Charlotte7
11-22-2018, 04:15 AM
I agree Rachel, I thnk that "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Girl" is a very good read.

Vicky_Scot
11-22-2018, 03:09 PM
If that's not the Establishment saying cross dressing is ok, then I don't know what is. Nonesense.