Masculine Persona vs Female Persona

[JudyCDTV]

I was just wondering what type of male persona is more attuned to be a CD/TV?

So I was coming up questions to ask about others about:

1) Where in high school did you fit in, Upper Class( Sports player, Intellectual) Middle Class ( Just regular middle of the roads, Lower class ( Nerds, Losers, Shy and timid male types)?

2) Did you have GG GFs in high school? Were you on the outside looking in?

3) When picking teams, were you the first or the last to be taken?

4) Were any of you picked on or bullied in high school or Jr High School or higher education? Second, were any of you the most popular in your class?

5) Did anyone ever had a secret admirer in high school? And didn?t know it?

As for me, I was a lonely nerd, lower class, no GFs and probably the last to be taken.

[Dutchess]

Were any of you picked on or bullied in high school or Jr High School

As for me, I was a lonely nerd, lower class, no GFs and probably the last to be taken.

This was both my ex husband and my late companion . Both extremely intelligent , very high IQ's but all of this listed here .

[Vickie_CDTV]

I was just wondering what type of male persona is more attuned to be a CD/TV?

As for me, I was a lonely nerd, lower class, no GFs and probably the last to be taken.

That was me exactly. Loner, didn't have much money, never fit in, couldn't throw or catch a ball to save my life, bullied K-12, always picked last for a team, and absolutely no interest in me from GGs (couldn't get a date if my life depended on it.) I was at the absolute bottom of the social totem pole.

I did well academically, not an honor society member by any means but I did well enough to get into a good college.

[Davina Katherine]

1) Where in high school did you fit in?
Lower class ( Nerds, Shy and timid male types)

2) Did you have GG GF?
Yes, in Senior Year and she's my wife of over 40 years. Were you on the outside looking in? Yes

3) When picking teams, were you the first or the last to be taken?
VERY last.

4) Picked on or bullied in high school or Jr High School? Most popular in your class?
Bullied in Elementary and Jr High. Definitely not popular.

5) Did anyone ever had a secret admirer in high school? And didn?t know it?
If I did, she/he never told me!

[candice.aihara]

In high school I was middle class, didn't have a girl friend, was chosen among the first half of the group, was not bullied, and I don't think I had a secret admirer.

I recall my time in high school rather fondly, in fact.

[Robertacd]

1) I was a "burn out" (long hair smoked drank) but got good grades, excelled in science, shop, hated math
2) I had one GF for a very short time my senior year
3) Somewhere towards the end but not last.
4) I was bullied in Elementary and Jr High but turned that around by High school. More infamous than popular
5) It turns out I had a few admirers. I only knew about one at the time, but she wasn't my type.

[2B Natasha]

1) Sports. Captain of the football team, captain of the soccer team. Only sophomore to letter in football out of my class. Lead actor in several plays.

2) lots of GG GF. Still have semi regular dinners with them. They know all about Natasha. We’ve gone out several times.

3) I was always first and the captain of the team mostly.

4) never bullied nor was I ever bullying anybody else. I had many friends in school who would be considered nerds and outcasts.

5) if I did. I dint know it. Probably. As I’m completely oblivious to any advances that anybody makes on me still to this day. My wife has to tell me that other women where hitting on me. If she didn’t I would never know.

[Kelli_cd]

Band nerd, had GG GF's, I was somewhat popular, I guess?

[JessikaSometimes]

1) Where in high school did you fit in..(snip)?
I hung out with all groups. So I was kind of a blend.
Some considered me intellectual because I knew a lot about computers.
I considered myself lower class, because we were poor.
I was probably fairly average lol.

2) Did you have GG GFs in high school? Were you on the outside looking in?
I had lots of GFs in HS. I never felt excluded from anything, there were times I was invited to stuff others were not.

3) When picking teams, were you the first or the last to be taken?
Depended on the sport, and the setting.
If it was for class, pick me last, I'm not going to try hard. Everyone knew that. :)
If it was playtime, I was a middle pick.

4) Were any of you picked on or bullied..(snip)? Second, were any of you the most popular in your class?
I was not bullied other than people hating on my style/attitude.
I don't think I was the most popular but I was the class clown very often, everyone knew who I was.

5) Did anyone ever had a secret admirer in high school? And didn't know it?
I found out 10 years after HS that I had at least 2 admirers. One told me at HS reunion and the other I bumped into randomly and we chatted for an hour or so and she told me.

[Alice Torn]

Was bullied at home by older brothers, and at school. Was shy, child of alcoholic dad, did try to become half decent at sports, but was way behind the jocks, did not get picked much, had no girlfrinds as was shy and low on confidence and shame based. I had started Cding with my mom and sisters things at age 13. I like some girls, but was too afraid to tell them or talk to the ones i wanted. Never went to a prom. Was kind of an outcast, loser, average grades, but F in Algebra/ Was picked on badly until senior year.

[LydiaL]

Not sure that my adolescent persona favored CD/TV. Perhaps, I did dabble in crossdressing by my late teens.

1) Middle of the road mostly. Active in the marching/concert bands, above average student, but not at the top. Bit of a nerd, certainly shy/timid in many ways. Part time work pumping gas kept me from joining clubs and other HS activities.

2) Had crush on some gals, but never any of them with me.

3) Not strong or terribly coordinated (to this day) so was near the end of being picked for teams.

4) Was indeed bullied by a few in JHS and early HS. Not bothered later in HS. Hardly popular.

5) Doubt I ever had a secret admirer in HS. Never suspected such in any case.

So, not being a macho "big man" about campus contributed to my being drawn to CD/TV? Could be.

[Vicky_Scot]

1) Where in high school did you fit in?
Did not really fit in anywhere in high school.

2) Did you have GG GF?
Yes but never lasted long.

3) When picking teams, were you the first or the last to be taken?
VERY VERY last....if there had been a dog it would have got picked before me.

4) Picked on or bullied in high school or Jr High School? Most popular in your class?
Bullied throughout high school and in the work place after that.

5) Did anyone ever had a secret admirer in high school? And didn?t know it?
Yes a girl I met years after leaving school told me that she always fancied me. She was stunning, a bit of an ugly duckling at school so just
shows you. never judge a book by its cover.

As far as a masculine persona.....never really had a strong one. X

[Helen_Highwater]

Having read the replies I feel it would be difficult if not impossible to draw any conclusions about correlations between school days and finding your way here.

Add to that people are notoriously bad at self assessment and are more likely to underestimate themselves than give a true picture. This is why many companies switched from annual manager review appraisals to employee self appraisal. People tended to talk themselves down and out of a pay increase.

Me, I was an average student. Good at some things, less so others. I had my small group of friends, as did everyone else and I married my girlfriend from school and that means we've been together for 50 years and in the closet for all that time.

[Vicky_Scot]

I would totally disagree. Reading the replies given I would suggest there is a strong correlation between school days and finding our way here. X

[Angela Marie]

Interesting responses. As for me I did not have a gf in high school. I was somewhat shy and awkward around girls; but I began dating in college when I came out of my shell so to speak. I was a poor student; not due to a lack of intelligence but simply boredom. As with my dating life my academics changed when I went to college where I did very well. I was always pretty well coordinated and a good baseball player. I have had my femme persona feelings for as long as I can remember but I had to suppress them in high school, college and throughout my adult years. I am 65 so the time period I grew up in was clearly not supportive in any way, shape, or form for cd's or transgender persons. But as I say often "you play the hand your dealt"

[TheHiddenMe]

1. I was on the debate team, so more on the nerd side.
2. I went on dates my senior year (two debaters from other high schools), but they weren't girl friends.
3. I was/am pretty athletic, even though I may not have looked it (I was chunky then). One time at summer debate camp (no one knew me) we were playing touch football, and I was the last pick. Then during the game I showed I could play, and wasn't the last pick again.
4. I was never bullied, but in Jr. High at an assembly some a-hole kicked me in the back (sitting in the bleachers) and popped open a hematoma in my back, and I started bleeding. Had to go home early. My dad, a chest surgeon, gave me a general anesthetic that night and removed the hematoma by operating on our kitchen table. My dad then removed the stitches too soon so I got a scar, but it's kind of hard to use your dad for malpractice.
5. Yes. A girl wrote in my yearbook that another girl had a crush on me. I was fairly shy at the time and didn't feel the same way about her, and didn't know how to deal with it. I contacted her later and apologized for not handling the situation better.

As to any correlation, I disagree. I wanted to try on girls clothes when I was 6 or 7, long before my high school days.

[Aunt Kelly]

No. I was not any of those cliches.

[SaraLin]

1. nerdy computer geek. Lower class, Shy to the point of invisibility.
2. End of senior year found a GF - for a while.
3. Didn't join teams. OR go to proms, or ANY non-classroom activities.
4.Had a 'gang' of four that bullied me. Alone they wouldn't bother me, but they traveled in a pack so...
5. Highly doubtful. See #1. For the most part, nobody saw me.

[April Rose]

I knew I was a crossdresser before grammar school.

My life both inside and outside jr high school & high school was too complicated to really go into here. Suffice to say that I almost failed to pass freshman year, finished second in my class sophomore year, and graduated in the dead center of the class senior year. I forget whether I was the bottom student in the top half or the top student in the bottom half, but I was right there. A veritable fulcrum of mediocrity.

I do remember that the principle of my jr high school hated me, and physically slapped me around once.

[Amelie]

I didn't go to high school so most of the stuff mentioned doesn't apply to me.

I never had a girlfriend, don't like girls.
I was bullied by people on the streets when I was younger and smaller but that changed when I got older.
I was never a nerd or sports person.
As a teen, I was sort of like a female version of Christian Slater in Heathers.

[Brianne_M]

1) Where in high school did you fit in, Upper Class( Sports player, Intellectual) Middle Class ( Just regular middle of the roads, Lower class ( Nerds, Losers, Shy and timid male types)? Lower, being a loner, but I didn't fit in anywhere. I was put in the "nerd" category by everyone. I had "ok" grades that could have been better if I applied myself. I had very few friends, those I had I still talk to to this day (almost 30 years later).

2) Did you have GG GFs in high school? Were you on the outside looking in?
No GFs. There were many girls I had crushes on.
3) When picking teams, were you the first or the last to be taken?
Usually one of the last.
4) Were any of you picked on or bullied in high school or Jr High School or higher education? Second, were any of you the most popular in your class?
Got picked on most of my early life. It finally stopped (or dropped drastically) around my Junior year of High School.
5) Did anyone ever had a secret admirer in high school? And didn?t know it?
Not as far as I know..

[Robertacd]

The question you forgot to ask was:

6) When did you start crossdressing? Elementary, Jr. High, High School, or after?

For me I was still in elementary school.

As for any honest data correlation the sample size is way too small, CD/TG come from all walks of life.

[Micki_Finn]

Having read the replies I feel it would be difficult if not impossible to draw any conclusions about correlations between school days and finding your way here.

Add to that people are notoriously bad at self assessment and are more likely to underestimate themselves than give a true picture. This is why many companies switched from annual manager review appraisals to employee self appraisal. People tended to talk themselves down and out of a pay increase.

Me, I was an average student. Good at some things, less so others. I had my small group of friends, as did everyone else and I married my girlfriend from school and that means we've been together for 50 years and in the closet for all that time.

I would also argue that this is a DANGEROUS line of thought. If what we do is a product of the circumstances of our youth, then you’re implying that something “caused” this, and if something has a “cause” it can have a “cure”... see where this can lead? Do the words “conversion therapy” mean anything to anyone? And even if you do find some sort of common thread, say every crossdresser didn’t have a gf in high school. Is that a cause or a symptom? This sort of thinking isn’t particularly helpful, and potentially harmful.

[DanielleCD]

1) Where in high school did you fit in, A bit of a mix... Very good student all around especially in the sciences. A little nerdy but cool.

2) Did have a GF or two but was a little shy.

3) The middle which was fine.

4) Never bullied... got along with everyone pretty well.

5) Not that I know of but my sister told me years later that her friends all thought I was cute. (now she tells me!) lol

[Star01]

2) lower middle class and I fit in with my group of friends but not with the in crowd. I didn't play sports or band or any extracurricular activities. I had a car my last two years and went to work after school.
2) yes, we celebrate our 50th soon.
3) I got picked near the end of the selections. I still have bad memories of playing Dodge ball and getting singled out by a classmate who went on to play in the NHL. His role was as an enforcer type defenseman so he could really put some zip on that ball. Ouch!
4) I made friends with the tough greaser types and they had my back. I found ways to get by without getting picked on. If you can't be tough be funny and make the bully's laugh.
5) high school was 50 years ago so if I did she or he still hasn't told me.

I don't think there is any correlation between high school and my current status 50 years later. I moved into the area when I was already high school age and didn't go to grade school or Jr High there so my only friends were from my neighborhood and a few I met who lived in town near the school. 625 in my class so it was easy to blend into the woodwork. At that time I thought my dressing was some kind of kink that would go away.

[Teresa]

Judy,
First of all there is no connection with male types and their CDing needs , the members of my social groups really are a cross section of male types .

On the whole I was a typical mischevious boy , never got bullied because I stuck up for myself .

I went to an all boys school , I could have done well academically but loved my sport too much , couldn't see much point in learning Latin and Greek , I preferred the science subjects and art because they were hands on , otherwise my brain was spending too time on GFs and thinking about them and possibly their clothes !

I was never left out of anything because I had fun with my friends .

On the whole school never really affected my CDing issues that much , wearing women's clothes at home was totally separate from school life .

P.S.
Maybe you should consider a new avatar your pose is a touch revealing .

[Victoria_Winters]

I have to a agree, I don?t there is a typical box almost of people that CD fight into. But here is me...

1) middle class/lower class.

2)I had a GG GF.

3) I was in ROTC. Didn?t do sports team picking ever.

4) I was picked on in middle school but not in high school. First week in I got into a fight and no would pick on me after that fight.

5) No. no secret admirer here. Well at least that I was ever aware of! Lol

[Angie G]

I was always kinda in the middle so now i'm a in the middle crossdresser. :hugs:
Angie

[Amelia13]

So for me I was Upper-Middle Class (I wasn't on the Football team, but I played rugby and swam)... and I was in band... and art. I did have a couple of GG GFs in high school. One at my school, and one long-distance that was for almost a year. I was most likely to be the last one picked. I sucked at ball sports for the most part... I was bullied in MS and HS. While I hit the marks to "fit in" in a lot of ways, I always felt on the fringe. I prefered to hang out with the not so cool kids and the LGBT crowd for the most part.

And yes, I did have admirers that I didn't know about until after I graduated. Made me realize a lot of the insecurity I felt in HS kept me from dating some great girls... Sad day, but I'm happy where life led me regardless.

[Fran out]

Although shy, I was a very good athlete. Played football, basketball ( caption of basketball team freshman year of college) also played baseball and ran track in high school. As a result had GF's but didn't really start dating until junior year.
Usually was one of the first picked
Never bullied. Took up for my self when challenged.
None of this had any thing to do with my interest in dressing. I don't really recall doing it while in high school although I do recall having a strong interest in women's clothing.

[Asew]

1) I was intellectual but definitely lower class nerd, loser, shy and timid.
2) I had 3 GG GFs in the first couple months of junior high school then not again until nearly finished with college. Definitely was outside looking in.
3) Totally among the last few to be taken (I was a little more athletic than some of the other nerds).
4) Totally bullied in junior high and high school, college I finally realized how nice it was to not be bullied all the time.
5) Not that I know of.
6) Started crossdressing at home during junior high school.

My wife has a theory that my lack of love life in my teens led me to dress up as a woman so I could love her. That my dressing came back during a rough patch in our marriage for much the same reason. I think it is more than that but cannot definitively rule it out.

[Dressing up]

1) Where in high school did you fit in, Upper Class( Sports player, Intellectual) Middle Class ( Just regular middle of the roads, Lower class ( Nerds, Losers, Shy and timid male types)?
Definite Nerd. Not a loser though.

2) Did you have GG GFs in high school? Were you on the outside looking in?
None.

3) When picking teams, were you the first or the last to be taken?
Depended on the short, I was always the fastest runner, not the most coordinated. I had a lot of enthusiasm to sports.

4) Were any of you picked on or bullied in high school or Jr High School or higher education? Second, were any of you the most popular in your class?
Being bullied was not an issue for me. But I am fairly athletic looking so I was not a likely target.

5) Did anyone ever had a secret admirer in high school? And didn?t know it?
I like to think I did, I was always great at being friends with females. I could tell I was better than most guys.

Additionally, I had much different interests than most other guys. I liked movies with good character development. I was good at communicating my feelings and a good listener. I love to cook, am fascinated by other cultures, appreciate art and am a voracious reader.

[MaryAnn1963]

1. Lower.. shy didn't fit in.
2.lots of girlfriends.. I was told by them I was so understanding and easy to relate to.
3. dead last
4. not picked on, only once then it was never an issue again.
5. ???

[Pumped]

1) Lower class, but kind of a rebel. I didn't fit in with any group.

2) I had a couple girlfriends, married one, but divorced soon after.

3) Very last, got picked by default. I sucked at sports, and dreaded anything it.

4) I got bullied a lot, but I also stood my ground and got beat up a few times and won a few fights too. Later on the bullying got less as guys knew I would fight back and I was generally left alone.

5) No secret admirer, but at my 10 year class reunion one gal that I was casual friends with asked me why I never asked her out on a date. She still was gorgeous, tall, blonde, blue eyes, typical Scandinavian beauty. I just told her that I was F'ing stupid!

[Jemima Stephens]

I was:
1. Middle class
2. yes, lots
3. near last
4. yes, bullied a lot, but learned to stand up for myself when I joined Air cadets at 14
5. Don't know!!! :D

[Ericka_d]

I was a loner, and didn't care enough about school. I believe they passed me just to get me out. I didn't play sports after my freshman year. So I didn't fit in with any crowd.

As for sports I was avg doing most sports. Baseball and hockey is where I was better then the other jocks. Never really got picked last. It depended on the sport where I got picked.

K-8 I got bullied a lot.

No girlfriends.

If I had a secret admire. I don't know, or probably will never know. I moved 6 hours away when I finished high school, and havent been back since..

[Stephanie47]

Where did I fit in? Trying to figure out the reason or cause of cross dressing?

My brother and I were sons of a working class family. Later joined by a late in life sister. My brother and I played sports all the time; everything. We both went to high schools which required passing a city wide admissions test. Both were 'boys only' high schools. Girls? Just group dating. College at a free public institution was in our futures as a way to enjoy life fully. Friends? I had different groups of friends; neighborhood, school, church. Some overlapped into two or more groups.

Somewhere along my youthful journey wearing my mother's clothing fit in. I have absolutely no understanding how a kid totally in tune of all thing masculine could wear women's clothing. Oh, and, when I was in the army I was a grunt slogging through the rice patties and mountains of I corp. Can't get anymore masculine than carrying 80-100 pounds of lethal ordinance and survival gears on three week patrols. And, I did not volunteer to prove my masculinity. The draft board told my brother and I to flip a coin. One of us was going.

[Cheryl T]

Personally I don't feel that any of that has any bearing on why anyone is a crossdresser.
I feel it is genetic, it's nature not nurture.

[Marie-Claude, France]

1) in the upper class for studies, intellectually gifted, in the losers side on girls

2) No, and yes.

3) It depends. In chess I was surnamed Petrosian due to my falsely calm play - and my lethal progression.. In soccer I was not very appreciated.

4) I was perceived as a calm and friendly person. Neither bullied nor popular.

5) No.

[jacques]

hello Judy,
1- nerdy until I was 14, then class joker
2 - all boys school
3 - last to be picked; but I am dyspraxic
4 - bullied until I was 14, then class joker
5 - not that I know of
luv J

[SHINY-J]

I was just wondering what type of male persona is more attuned to be a CD/TV?

So I was coming up questions to ask about others about:

1) Where in high school did you fit in, Upper Class( Sports player, Intellectual) Middle Class ( Just regular middle of the roads, Lower class ( Nerds, Losers, Shy and timid male types)?

2) Did you have GG GFs in high school? Were you on the outside looking in?

3) When picking teams, were you the first or the last to be taken?

4) Were any of you picked on or bullied in high school or Jr High School or higher education? Second, were any of you the most popular in your class?

5) Did anyone ever had a secret admirer in high school? And didn?t know it?

As for me, I was a lonely nerd, lower class, no GFs and probably the last to be taken.

I went through a lot of changes as I grew up... an I mean other than growing up, getting taller, puberty, etc... I was born and raised in a small southern town with a population of about 12000 people... we were white a middle class family of me and a sibling. They had a stable, loving marriage and no problems like drugs, alcohol, infidelity, gambling, etc,.., my parents are amazing people. If I had any criticism of the way they raised me it would be that they focused so much in their careers, that they missed out a lot on certain moments in my life.., they dropped me off for sports practice and games and picked me up when it was over.., they rarely ever stayed.., they dropped me off/picked me up for band concerts I played in... etc... most activities I did, I did without them., my sibling was older so they did do all of that stuff with them the first time around.. I’m sure it’s much like the old adage that the second child gets the short straw, the hand-me-downs, the smaller room, etc.., they got all of the band recitals, games, school plays, practices, etc... out with them years earlier I guess... but, truth be told, I think lots of kids could say this and I know that many kids have had significantly worse childhoods than anything I’ve written here.

My parents put me in school as soon as possible so I was always about a year younger than the other kids in my grade.
In elementary school, everyone looks like a little kid and it didn’t really matter- and I got along with pretty much everyone... I played on the playground, rode, bikes, played baseball, football, basketball, etc... and I was good at it. I was always picked amongst the first and I had a large group of friends...

But, around middle school when the other kids were starting a growth spurt and/or starting puberty, I wasn?t changing much -... at all.. so I began to get bullied and teased at that time. I still loved sports and was good, but being smaller and looking like a kid kept me from getting the chance to play. I got bitter about it and sort of embraced that ?outlier? image and mostly kept to myself focusing on school as well as listening to music, skateboarding, mountain biking, playing the guitar, drums, piano, watching movies, reading books, shooting pool, playing video games, reading comics, drawing, working out -trying to get bigger, etc... but all solitary activities,... I was able to find ways to occupy my time alone even though I was lonely and had very few close friends at the time... This was also the time when I first crossdessed. One of the few friends I did have at the time had invited me over for a sleepover and while I was in the bathroom, I found some pairs of his older sisters satin panties that were in the laundry hamper. I snatched them up not really knowing why. From there, I began wearing them pretty regularly even though I felt absolutely gutted with guilt and shame about it at the time. Especially growing up in a small southern town with so much judgment and bigotry.

Then, I finally hit my growth spurt/puberty in the summer between my 8th and 9th grade year. I shot up several inches and the little kid was now a full fledged teenager. From that point, it was a complete reversal in terms of social class... I was invited to play organized sports again and people wanted to be friends with me. I had several girlfriends and got invited to all of the dances, parties, etc.., but I always had a chip on my shoulder about how I had been previously shunned by many of theses same people.. it motivated me to work and study harder and be more successful... I continued to grow and my body became more muscular and I became more popular in turn. But I will say that I never became a bully... if anything I was always willing to call out bullying when I did see it.. but I was truly riding high in high school... The crossdressing had subsided somewhat with my newfound popularity as I now had a serious girlfriend who was also the homecoming queen and a cheerleader. But I still sometimes underdressed in secret. I finished high school with good grades, belonging to lots of organizations, clubs, attending all of the dances, pep rallys, parades, etc.,, and went onto college where I maintained that same level of success and popularity. I wasn’t good enough to to play college ball but I did get an academic scholarship, joined a fraternity, belonged to lots of groups and organizations and made lots of friends along the way as I got my bachelors degree... I kept occasionally underdressing during my college years but because I had roommates it still was pretty infrequent.

I didn’t really truly explore the “fully dressed” CD experience until after college was over and I moved out and got my own place. At that point, it was a literal free for all. The very first night in my new place was spent ordering almost 2,000 dollars of satin panties, bras, high heels, thigh boots, wigs, garter belts, thigh high hose, etc...

So I guess in summary, I was a regular kid..., then an outcast.,, then a popular guy...


As far as a secret admirers, I found out I did have a couple when I went back for my 10 year reunion.

[Jackie F]

1) Small class we all hung out together
2)Yes had GFs, I still feel like I'm outside looking in
3) Picked top 50%, never first or last
4) never bullied
5) doubt it.

[Kathleen Ann Trees]

Middle class. Youngest of four boys.
Soccer team captain, so all my friends were basically teammates.
Good grades, so AP type classes. Class of '77.
Never bullied.
No self confidence to have a girlfriend. Too busy wanting to wear the cheerleader outfits, bell bottom jeans, and cropped tops. Fear of being found out.
Finally got my best pair of saddle shoes last year, and I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE them!!! They are so cute and comfortable.

[Rachelakld]

1) Middle class and into computers
2) First GG GF I was 3-7 (Julie), then 9 (Ann), 11(Fiona),13 (Brenda & her sister), 14 (Josephine), gave it a break while I concentrated on a military career, then at 21(Alison), 22 (Rachel), 23 (Helen) - bugger got married at 24, new GF at 40 - LETS JUST SAY I LIKE Females.
3) Last to be chosen
4)Bullied often, had to bash a few bullies up to let them know I could only tolerate so much, they lost their gang leader status and "friends" every time.
5) Ya, a couple of girls used to "pass by" my house and ask to walk with me, I still think of Vicky, her brother was my best friend.

[Ceera]

1) Where in high school did you fit in?
Lower class (Nerd, Shy and timid)

2) Did you have GG GFs in high school? Were you on the outside looking in?
A handful of one-shot dates. Can’t recall any second dates with the same girl. Most of my social time with the opposite sex was due to a young men’s group I belonged to, which held chaperoned dances with two young women’s groups. All three groups sponsored by the fraternal order my parents were active in socially.

3) When picking teams, were you the first or the last to be taken?
Often among the last. Though I did well in pick-up basketball games, was too short to play on my school team. Was ‘middle of the road’ at tennis and track events - throwing discuss one year on my high school track team.

4) Were any of you picked on or bullied in high school or Jr High School or higher education?
Badly bullied in elementary school. So bad that two of the more popular boys took pity on me and began to protect me in 7th and 8th grade. That ended in high school, when I learned how to very effectively fight back.

Second, were any of you the most popular in your class?
Ha ha... no, never!

5) Did anyone ever had a secret admirer in high school? And didn’t know it?
Not that I knew of. The closest I came was the one year when I was the head officer of the young men’s group that I mentioned in question 2. One cluster of girls in one of the girls groups did seem to like me, but they were mostly just angling for our group as a whole to do more dances and ski parties and roller skating parties with their girls. Wasn’t so much an interest in me, as hoping to influence me to get my male friends more interested in their girls.