What's with all the GG bashing?

[TGMarla]

I don't know how all this started, and I'm not real sure just where most of it is coming from, but all this GG bashing that has been occurring recently has got to stop.

I have seen references made from some here that they are uncomfortable that we have a GG as our lead administrator(Edit: One of our lead administrators. My apologies), and that they are uncomfortable with the fact that real women are present in a crossdressing support site. After all, isn't this place supposed to be for crossdressers?

What is this? Envy? Resentment? What's the matter with you? This is a very good place to be, and one of the unique and wonderful aspects of this forum is the fact that we allow, welcome, and encourage women to participate. Much of what I have dealt with my entire life as a man who crossdresses is a total lack of acceptance by members of the other gender. I get that here, and I like it. I have also found that for the most part, the GGs here are far more level headed, kind, and supportive than many of the male members here.

So where do you come off joining the forum here and then complaining about it's comoposition? I'm only approaching 6 months here as a member, but there are times when I feel like one of the old timers. That's because here I have found a community that is genuinely accepting to me, and doesn't immediately judge me because I crossdress. Here I find understanding. Here I find people that are like me, for me, and with me. Here I find friends.

If you have something to say that you don't wish to divulge to the GGs, then post it in the private TG forum. If you have a complaint about women in general, then watch how you word your opinion, and do so in a way that is not derogatory and insulting. If you want a forum that doesn't include real women, then I'm sure you can find one somewhere else, and I cordially invite you to leave.

The positive contributions by the GGs (especially our Admin) here are irreplaceable. Prior to my joining here, I had never run into accepting females in my entire life. They are a light that illuminates this entire forum. So I am sure that I speak for many here when I say that I don't want to hear any more of this crap. If you want to bash our GGs, then do so on your way out of here, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, and shut your pie-holes.

[Joy Carter]

It takes courage to be a CD even more to support us. You are all welcome here as indeviduals and jointly. We can only persavear if well stick together as one.

Thanks Ever So Joy

[Shelly Preston]

Marla

I could not agree more

I have said it many times each and every GG deserves our support.

[Kitty Sue]

TGMarla I totally agree with you. The GGs in my opinion are what make this site special. If the GGs left then this TG would pick up her purse and leave too. They give so much to this site. I think they are wonderful.

[Jasmine Ellis]

Marla, way to go girl, way to go. I'm with you on this one, The real girls, NO, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY........The ladies, in here, I love them, they are great to us, and join in the fun as well.

Now, Tamara, she's out of this world, who you can have a laugh with I love her like she was my own sister.

Who ever do not like the real GGs in a wonderful place like this shouldn't be here.

To the GGs, I think you are so wonderful to use, thank you darlings

[DawnLabelle]

I can't agree more Marla, it saddens me to see people bashing the GGs in here. Dont we all want to be accepted to one degree or another?, isn't that what most of us in here are searching for?, then why the hell would anyone want to push away the women that do accept us for who we are and who support us?.

Personally, I feel that I've learned just as much, if not more, by the GG posts on this forum compared to the t-girl posts, and if they were to suddenly up and leave us it would leave a gaping hole in this site.

Dawn

[ChristineRenee]

Absolutely Marla. Our GG's here are deserving of our support...after all...they have to put up with all of US!;)

A big Chrissie Bear :hugs:for all of you wonderful girls here!

[sparks]

Am i outta the loop or what! Is this an April fools thing! GG bashing here!
Man alive! There should be no bashing here at all.
Aren't the GG's Part of the Special support in our support group!

Honey I can't mow the lawn! It's still brown! Nagging GG!
Natch! just foolin!

[Bev06 GG]

AWWw thanks Marla,
and the rest of you. They were some of the kindest comments Ive heard in a long time. And I have to say a big Ditto to it all, we are all here cos we love you too. I must admit tho, I find more support off this site than I do GG bashing. I can tell that most of you love our imput and value our opinions, as we do yours.
Take care
BEVxxx

[heathr1]

Most of us are not in a position where we can just chat to, or ask the GGs we know about clothes, make-up etc.

That is why this site and the GGs on here are special.....We know we can engage in conversation and ask advice without being judged.

[Sarahgurl371]

It seems to me, that we have so many new members, so many intermediate members, and so many old members, and sometimes we clash. So I remind myself that not everybody here is like me.

I absolutley repsect and admire the GGs here who offer advice, input, even criticism of / for us all. They are trying to cope with this themselves, but in the process are helping us cope. Thank you all.

But then I remind myself that there are people who are just mean spirited. Some who hate women, some who hate men, some who hate themselves, some who just want to screw things up for others for whatever reason. So when I get pissed at something someone says, I try to think why they may have said it. Althought its impossible to know, it helps me to realize that we are all different, and have different life experiences. Now I am from the school of that that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it. But not everybody is like me.

[Monica55cd]

Marla and Joy..I agree whole heartedly with what you both said!!!
I too am a fairly new member here and I really appriciate how wonderfuly welcome I have felt here... this is the only place I have in my life right now that is this accepting of my dressing...it is really helping me feel better about my self and the support of the GG's here is even more helpful....Thanks to all for the help you've been to me....

[Dana]

One of the biggerst and greatest assets of this fourmn are the GG's that are not only accepting, but supporting of our needs as men who long for all things femininie. That's tough to fine in the day to day ~ all day tough, and so when you find it, ~ when you come across you ~ its best to hold it, prize it for the precious thing that it.

The GG that post here ~ are truly EXCEPTIONAL women. Smart, intelligent, caring, sensistive, sharing, supportive ~ yet they're NO ONE's fool, and they will "call the ball" as they seem them!

For those of us that are still in the closet, and who's SO's doesn't even have a clue ~ they briing to the fourmn a unique sounding board, that is greately needed, ~ and what is all the more ~ highly desired. The GG's here provide us ~ balance ~ that we need to keep from going off Helter-Skellter ~ which T-Girls are prone to do, once they find the least bit of acceptance.

And, finally, you can slice it, dice it, chop it up anyway you want ~ but the simple truth of the matter ~ regardless of where you fall on the transgendered spectrum ~ most of us ~ just are NEVER going to FULLY think and hold the perspective of a GG. That is gained not only by the unique bio-chemistry of a GG, but from a lifetime of day to day, real world experience.

I'm far from being a woman hater ~ and I don't believe all women are bad ~ indeed there was actually a time in my life when I actually believed in my naievity ~ that women could say and do no wrong. I have since learned through my own persnal life eperiences ~ and through the in-sight of other GG ~ that not ALL women are good and nice ~ and some ~ just like men can be and are just down right mean ~ just for the sake of being so.

Hoestly, there no call for any "Bashing" here at all ~ IMHO. But, most especially of the GG's who have been NOTHING BUT supportive and accpeting. Granted, they HAVE been at times more than just a little bit than brutually honest and frank ~ but in those times that I've witnessed this ~ it was justified and called for ~ such as making lewd comments that your average, typical woman on the street would find offensive ~ and even then their comments were made to keep those members that require it ~ grounded in the "real world" 0.02

[Elizabeth Anne]

I am only speaking for myself when I say this, but I put GG on the throne everyday as a queen. I wish I had "zillons" of GG friends to talk to, dress up with, go out shopping with, just hangout & do girly stuff. Unfortunally, being married, that cannot happen without major problems.

I would welcome any & all comments, suggestions, advise for the forum members from their perspective.

Beth

[Tamara Croft]

I have seen references made from some here that they are uncomfortable that we have a GG as our lead administrator.I only want to quote this bit, then I'm backing off gracefully ;) I'm not the 'lead administrator'. Sharon and I are co-administrators and in actual fact, she probably does more around this forum than I do (infact I know she does). She's just very quiet, unlike me... I have a huge mouth and regularly put my foot in it ;) So, don't forget.... co-admins.... k? *backs out now*

[joannejoanne]

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Magenta"][B] Only being fairly new the great thing i have found with this website is that it is open to all. so lets enjoy it for what it stands for - an open forum were we can all share our views & opinions amongst ourselves whether we agree or not. :happy:

[Billijo49504]

I think having the GG here helps keep this as a nice place to be. Otherwise it would turn into a porno trash site, as some have. Ladies we want you here and appreciate you....Billi Jo

[EricaCD]

Another vote in favor of everything represented by this thread.

[CaptLex]

I just want to say that I'm a little jealous that most of us on the other side of the fence don't have SO's that log in, listen to our point of view, give us their insight (or even fashion tips) and offer their support and encouragement. But then I suppose it's human nature that some people don't realize what they have until they don't have it. I wholeheartedly appreciate the support and encouragement of the MtFs that step up and offer it, however. :koc:

Treasure your GG's, ladies. ;)

[Wendy me]

gg's , cd's, adimn's what do thay all have in common here??? thay are members and as members here thay have rules here to make shure no one is bashed ...our gg's here not only members but gg's that soupport us in what we do .... and should be treated with the respect due them... i say as per the rules bash a member here cd or gg then time for the basher to go away for a while .....it's no wonder why people don't accpete us for who we are look how some think thay should say thanks for being understanding of what we do....shame on them.....

[Adrienne Heels]

I have to agree with Marla's comments...the GGs here are wonderful and supportive women. We need them here to make this the wonderful forum that it is!

Kisses,

Karyn

[sherri]

Please, please, please don't take what I'm about to say as disagreeing with the spirit of the posts of this thread. I don't think I've done any GG bashing, or said anything to make anyone think I'm not a fan; in fact, if anyone cared to research my posting history, you'll find that I have come down on the side of SOs much more often than that of CDs. But just in case, let me reiterate for the umpteenth time lately that I am a staunch advocate of the GGs' presence and participation in this forum.

But ...

This is a forum whose raisson d'etre is crossdressing, and I will hazard the guess that for most CDs on this site, issues pertaining to the GGs in their lives are equal in significance to the crossdressing in their lives. Now, we could, I suppose, restrict topics of discussion to panties and makeup, but I for one am more interested in issues and topics of greater substance. I mean, how much is there to say about panties?

In other words, because our relationships with GGs are a big deal, and our crossdressing within those relationships is a big deal, we have to be able to talk about them. Moreover, it is unreasonable to insist that such discussion cannot include complaint or criticism. It can and must be articulated with civility and compassion, but we shouldn't have to feel like we're walking on eggshells here.

Nor do I believe that such discussion has to be relegated to a different forum. I don't know what goes on in the GG forum, but you can't tell me there is never any complaining or criticism of the opposite sex going on in there. I don't know what goes on in the TG forum either, and I guess it depends on how you interpret gender acronyms, but since I really consider myself to be a CD rather than a TG or TS, I have assumed, rightly or wrongly, that the MTF crossdresser forum is the place for me.

I happen to agree with Bev, who as a GG commented that she hasn't seen much bashing here; I haven't either, at least what I consider to be bashing. Yes, I have seen some, and it pisses me off. I suppose it's bound to happen - as the comedian Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid." But we can and should police ourselves and bite down on such unacceptable behavior.

One other thought about the bashing - I have seen some pop up apropos of nothing, totally unwarranted (actually, it's always unwarranted). But most bashing seems to emerge as arguments escalate, and I have seen tempers flare on both sides of the gender aisle. Temper tantrums are unattractive and insulting regardless of who is throwing them.

Okay, one last thought about bashing: as Tammy noted, we don't always know what pressure cooking a member is stewing in. He could be experiencing acute problems with his SO and feeling a great deal of frustration towards the opposite sex. Likewise, his SO, were she to visit the forum, might be looking for an opportunity to vent. That doesn't mean the adversarial attitudes and invective should be humored here, and in both cases I would hope that the members, GG and CD alike, will, with as much as gentleness as possible and as much sternness as necessary, steer both parties toward a more amicable and constructive frame of mind.

[Julie York]

Good thread Marla and I was thinking the same things over the last few days.

There does have to be some sort of balance with regard to "heroine worship" or it gets rather superficial and embarrassing with all these 'wannabe women' being all fawning and subservient just because someone has real boobs. I mean they are just human after all and they can be as wrong or right as the rest of us. So I reserve the right to have a sensible debate with a GG without anyone getting all uppety.

But some of the openly provocative statements aimed at the GGs have made me seriously angry, simply because they were so obviously hostile and either written by someone who has a personal problem with women, or someone who was wanting to upset and annoy. Or maybe someone who didn't think it through.

And the shame of it is that someone like Tamara or Marla GG or kathy gg could intellectually hand these people their testicles on a plate served with a nice Cianti before they even knew they were missing.

But they don't.

O.K. deduct Tamara....

OW!

[Sweet Virginia]

Yeah I go along with that 100%. I think I made a slightly patronising remark a couple of weeks ago, it was just a lightweight bit of fluff and I'm very sorry if it caused upset, it certainly wasn't meant to!

[Janelle Young]

I have only been here a short while but in my opinion the GG's are what makes this place work. If they were not here, I would not be here either.

[Jenni]

I only want to quote this bit, then I'm backing off gracefully ;) I'm not the 'lead administrator'. Sharon and I are co-administrators and in actual fact, she probably does more around this forum than I do (infact I know she does). She's just very quiet, unlike me... I have a huge mouth and regularly put my foot in it ;) So, don't forget.... co-admins.... k? *backs out now*

And who doesn't suffer from "foot in mouth disease" at some time or another? We're only people here, all subject to errors in judgement and misunderstandings from time to time.

Without you GG's, we would not have this friendly (and safe) corner of the universe for ourselves. You are all sweeties, and thanks for all of your hard work. :thumbsup:

[GypsyKaren]

I'm just going to add a couple of things, because Marla really hit the nail on the head here and said something I've been meaning to for quite some time.

Like it or not, as unfair as it is, let's face the facts here. We are treated like and considered to be outcasts of society. This is due to ignorance, but most people aren't interested in learning the truth. I, for one, am ecstatic and grateful to get kindness and support from anywhere and anyone. I'll tap dance naked on the street corner if that's what it takes to get anyone to open their eyes and hearts to us.

This forum is built on a common bond we all share, but also on diversity. We need other's views and input in order to grow and progress forward. The GGs also need this place because in the vast majority of cases this tranny business is dumped into their lives without warning. They need to be here to understand their spouses and realize we're all just human beings.

As far as having a GG as co-administrator, I'm REALLY sick and tired of hearing all the childish whining about this, and it better stop. This is to all of you cry babies out there, so listen up, and listen up good. Do you have any idea how much time and work and tears us staff members devote to keeping this place the safe harbor that it is? Do you have any idea how much abuse and insults we get everyday because we're trying to keep this wonderful place clean and accesible to you? We do this not for a pat on the back, and we sure don't get paid for this, we volunteer our time and energy. We do it for the love of this place. You should be eternally grateful that anyone would be willing to do this, be it a GG, CD, Ts, or whoever. Tamara works her butt off for you because she has a kind heart, so instead of bitching about it, either send her a thank-you, or shut up.

Forgive the rant, but this subject pisses me off to no end. Marla, I'm sending you my Vox Teardrop in gratitude for saying what you did, and I thank you for it.

Karen

[Gale R]

I think all the GG's here are great, a more supportive bunch you would find hard to meet, wether admin or members.:thumbsup:

[Tina Dixon]

A job well done Marla, the GG's here are awsome and fun.

[sparks]

Gawd! Am I so self absorbed that I did notice any of this going on!
Good Rant GK! Tell em as you sees em! The main reason I'm here is to learn about relationships(actually I'm addicted to posting But that's besides the point) How can I do this without the GG's Duh! Shadd-up about it!
I've dumped a whole pile of misery on my SO cause I don't know what I'm all about! This is an incredible place and The few that keep it all together are the incredible ones! In light of it all what would this place be without all the capable administative people who keep it together and all of us in line!
How many of you whafted through tones of gross tacky porn(yeah I looked) to find something meaningful to you! That's how I stumbled hear and All I could ever want was in one tighly colorful package!
I think Tamara is absolutely wonderful and caring to not only help run the joint but give her in-put as well on the posts!
Let's keep things they way they are because I would like to bring my wife here but if she cannot get the respect and understanding than why should I bother! IF we can't respect the efforts of Tamara and the rest of the GG's
what would my wife think of us! She would feel even worse about her cross-dressing freak of a husband! Poor attitudes reflect on us all!

TTFN!!
Sparks

And people said we have no needs of super-types!
Bitch slapped! Hung up wet!

And it is a batarang quit staring!

[Rachel Morley]

Much of what I have dealt with my entire life as a man who crossdresses is a total lack of acceptance by members of the other gender. I get that here, and I like it. I have also found that for the most part, the GGs here are far more level headed, kind, and supportive than many of the male members here.
I totally agree Marla. This site (if you look at the logo at the top of the page) is a community for "crossdresser's and their admirers". I love all our GG admirers :)


Prior to my joining here, I had never run into accepting females in my entire life. They are a light that illuminates this entire forum.
Never have I seen anything written on this forum that was more true.


When I first recieved a wellcoming note from a GG, you can not imagine how wonderful that felt.
I know exactly what you mean! There is nothing better than an accepting GG encouraging you and telling you that what you are doing suits you and you should be doing it!

[Sharon]

Nor do I believe that such discussion has to be relegated to a different forum. I don't know what goes on in the GG forum, but you can't tell me there is never any complaining or criticism of the opposite sex going on in there. I don't know what goes on in the TG forum either, and I guess it depends on how you interpret gender acronyms, but since I really consider myself to be a CD rather than a TG or TS, I have assumed, rightly or wrongly, that the MTF crossdresser forum is the place for me.



Just as a note, as I couldn't let this comment slip by. The TG forum, for genetic males, is set up as a place where any CD, TG, TS, or whatever acronyms you can think of, can post and feel safe from those menacing women. Even Tamara does not have access to that section.

[Tamara Croft]

*Sneaking in* ;) Marla, I want to thank you for this thread. I think a lot of members don't read all the threads/posts, so they miss quite a bit of what goes on in all the forums. As a co-admin, I read EVERYTHING that is posted, so I get to see the little digs here and there and the outright name calling. Most of you know me by now, I don't take things lying down, I fight back and I get really really angry sometimes. I know, I should back off, I've been told by many of my friends to chill a bit and close the window and calm down.

But the thing is, that isn't me, if I truely believe something is wrong, or out of line, I say something. I know it gets me into big trouble sometimes and all hell breaks loose on the forum. But, when you read everything posted, those little things start to mount up into one huge thing and that's when I start getting pissed off. I see the digs about me being a GG admin, but I'm not just an admin, I'm also a member and believe it or not, I like to post AS a member too. But, it seems I can't post as a member without having my admin status thrown in my face. It's annoying, that really winds me up, it makes me feel like I shouldn't bother posting at all.

I often will say I'm going to just stay in the background, but it aint happening ;) I'd just like you all to remember, that I'm a member too, not just an admin. Like Julie said and I quote: -
And the shame of it is that someone like Tamara or Marla GG or kathy gg could intellectually hand these people their testicles on a plate served with a nice Cianti before they even knew they were missing.

But they don't.

O.K. deduct Tamara....She's right ;) and I can serve them up with some nice pasta and garlic sauce :lol:

[Deborah]

It would drive me insane to read every single thread on this forum daily.
I'll leave it at that.

[Tamara Croft]

<snip>can post and feel safe from those menacing women.Why you sneeky, cheeky MADAM!!!! Menacing eh??? :slap:

[RenaCD]

Why you sneeky, cheeky MADAM!!!! Menacing eh??? :slap:

First off Marla Right On! No Other Way! Right On!


Sharon Duck, Tamara uncock that Keyboard and gently just set down Menacing is a term of endearment here in the States havn't you heard!!!

[Mary Jane]

I can only add that I think you have put this very well, Marla. I enjoy this site and always welcome the GG's responses in the threads. We need to keep this place as it is. No changes are needed that I can see. It is a most wonderful place.

[Kim E]

Personally, I think we should consider ourselves fortunate that we have the participation of GG's on this forum. They are definitely a valuable asset to the group and bring a level of concern and understanding that's both refreshing and appreciated.

Tamara ~ BTW,I think you should bring back your red avatar. I thought it was very cool.

Kim

[DonnaT]

You know the old saying, history is doomed to repeat itself. We've been through this before and we've survived.

If it wasn't for some of the GG's support, this place might have died a slow death some time ago.

[Bernice]

Marla, you already know privately how I feel about your wonderful posts. Would it embarrass you if I professed my admiration publicly?

Administrators: You have my utmost respect and admiration. I could never do what you do, certainly not as well as you do. You have an impossible and thankless job. I don't know how you tapdance around necessary censorship and tolerance of diversity, and put up with nothing but whining and criticism. So, let me do my small part to change that, and publicly say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart.

Sherri made two valid points:


In other words, because our relationships with GGs are a big deal, and our crossdressing within those relationships is a big deal, we have to be able to talk about them. Moreover, it is unreasonable to insist that such discussion cannot include complaint or criticism. It can and must be articulated with civility and compassion, but we shouldn't have to feel like we're walking on eggshells here.

We must never allow our intolerance of anything approaching bashing to become so strong that the forum itself degenerates into nothing more than a mutual admiration party. I've seen support groups dissolve into little more than that. How our administrators seem to know when enough is enough and too much is too much, I have no clue. But they seem to do this very well, and our forum's success hinges on their being able to continue to exercise such good judgement.

The world would be a very different (and desolate) place without GGs. So would this forum. Of course we need the GGs here. If some of us have trouble dealing with GGs in the real world, then they need help, which might come from here, as long as the administrators can exercise "tough love" at the appropriate times.

If I didn't think that women generally were more civilized and loving than men, I wouldn't want to behave as a woman.

I also support administrator participation. This isn't spectator sports! While they sometimes have to play the referee role, they should be very welcome to participate with us.

As a general rule I don't advocate bashing or flaming at all, regardless of gender, sex, religion, politics, etc. We all have our sensitive subjects. If someone is really out of line on the forum, we should feel empowered to post the reasons why, rather than having to run to an administrator for help.

Sometimes, people here will have to agree to disagree, and move on.

Sorry for rambling on so much...

Hugs,

Bernice

[KrazyKat]

I appreciate all the strong support and heartfelt sentiment!!!
I must confess, due to the ever growing membership, I feel the most help I can do is in the GG forums, and I don't post much "out here"!! I just support Gypsy Karen, she seems to make a bigger impact here, and we work thru things pretty well!
Could I just offer that The GG forum is not that big of a mystery, I just try to support ya'lls support so they can support U better??!!
Sharing what you've experienced is how people learn about differences.
LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!
That's my signature, and what I believe!
I believe that the love here is TRUTH, Which Will Set YOU FREE!!
thanks for the votes
KrazyKat :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Marlena Dahlstrom]

Thanks Marla for pointing out what ought to be obvious.

Many others have covered the points I'd make, so I won't repeat them. But let's just realize that GWs are people too. I do think they deserve kudos for being here -- especially those who are struggling. Let's not forget there are SOs who wouldn't even consider coming here, as a number of members will attest to. That doesn't mean that one can't disagree with them. But do so with the same respect you'd show anyone else.

And frankly everyone here deserves to be treated with respect until they give cause to do otherwise. As Gypsy Karen pointed out, we of all people ought to careful against stereotyping others. Likewise, if you're angry at your SO, don't take it out on others -- regardless of who you are.

As has been mentioned, if you've got something to say that you're uncomfortable saying in front of the GWs, that's what the GM forum was created for.

Admins and mods, I've mod'd myself and I know what a thankless job it is. So let me offer a heartfelt thanks.

[christine55]

If there were no GG's here this forum would be no more girlie than some
porno she male rag.
Hugs, Christine

[Tia]

Just to pour my 2 cents into this pool.

Like so many have already said GGs are really the heart of this forum. I can't even count how many times their posts have made me to understand also the another side of the coin. Yup, it's always there. We CDs need their support, but also (atleast some ;)) GGs need our support.

So I welcome all GGs, or let me resay this, anyone who needs support, information or just friends around CDing. Bullies, trolls and flamers, please leave :Angry3: ...

[Josi]

just want to add my voice of appreciation to GG's -:cheer:
:rose2:

[kittypw GG]

If you have something to say that you don't wish to divulge to the GGs, then post it in the private TG forum. If you have a complaint about women in general, then watch how you word your opinion, and do so in a way that is not derogatory and insulting. If you want a forum that doesn't include real women, then I'm sure you can find one somewhere else, and I cordially invite you to leave.

.

This is the simple truth. I have found that all of the gg's here have been honest and supportive. When we really want to bitch or complain we go to the gg forum to discuss the things that simply only gg's would understand. I am sure that the same could be said for the males and that is the purpose of the private tg forum. Maybe some don't realize that it exists. My husband did not. And trust me none of us gg's want to crash your private party. So please don't crash ours.

Thanks Marla for sticking up for us and giving your support because gg's who love cd's need all of the support we can get. We want to understand you and know how to love you (by you I mean so's). Where else do we get the insight but from actual cd's. This sight continues to help me gain acceptance, set personal boundries and grow as a person. I would be lost without it, and I am not kidding:straightface:
Kitty

[CharleneCD]

Thank you Marla for saying what needed to be said. I thought about doing it but didn't. I am glad someone wasn't as lazy as I.

[midwest GG]

Shy Michelle you said it perfectly for me. I am a GG married to a CDer. i have just recently found out, and this forum helps me understand more about him/her. Heck, I can consider it free therapy??? lol Thanks to all of you who have helped, and supported me through this!! I love this forum!!

[Wren]

WOW....GG bashing? I've been lurking around the forum for a little bit now apprehensive about becoming a member. I'm a GG but my SO is FTM, so I kind of feel alone on this one, and I couldn't figure out if I belonged on this site/forum or not. I leap to the otherside to see what's going on and I find this. Talk about unsettling. However, it's reassuring that there is GG support in abundance.

I've never understood how people who know what not fitting into the box feels like, can openly restrict people around them. Because of my situation people always tell me that I'm a lesbian but I argue that that isn't so, and even my gay friends still don't believe that I just am who I am. Acceptance is the key that is missing in so many places.

Still aprehensively I hope that my presence doesn't conflict with anybody. I feel like I have a right to be here, for many reasons.

[darynn_NWPA]

I don't bash anyone, I know what it is like to be bashed. As for GGs, I love them all, just like some more than others.

darynn_NWPA

[sherri]

Just as a note, as I couldn't let this comment slip by. The TG forum, for genetic males, is set up as a place where any CD, TG, TS, or whatever acronyms you can think of, can post and feel safe from those menacing women. Even Tamara does not have access to that section.
Thanks for the tip. I'm checking it out. (BTW, the "invitation only" thing is kind of misleading.)

Actually, I don't think I've ever taken issue with GGs here, or posted much that I figured they should be shielded from or felt uncomfortable with them seeing. In fact, I'm sitting here drumming my fingers, trying to think of an issue I could conceivably raise for which I wouldn't want their feedback. Not coming up with much. I do see the occasional instance of miscomprehension or misinterpretation from both sides of the aisle, but I would think that's one reason for intermingling - to iron such things out.

Since the atmosphere of the MTF forum seems to be changing, however, and since recent discussions have made me hyper-sensitive to the issue, my rule of thumb is that if I wouldn't say it in person, I won't say it here.

[michellej]

Well, I've always said that if you don't like it, why don't you be the first to put your hand up to be the leader? I don't like anyone that carps and doesn't have good leadership suggestions and then isn't willing to put their actions just where their mouth is. :witsend:
This forum is unique in that we do have the presense of both sides of the question - How can CDers be more comfortable, and from the GGs here - just how to do it! It just can't get any better!
I value all the input from everyone. The only thing I don't like is people that sit on the sidelines and complain! Would you be willing to put up with what it takes to be a GG moderator? HUMPH!!!:mad:
I value, admire, love, trust, envy, all our mods here, both FTM and GG!

How's that for my 200th post?
Michelle

[Denise01]

I feel that bashing any one especially gg's is very distasteful and degrading.

I personally feel having GG's in the forum is very helpful and I for one really value their input, as every one, has a different view on many subjects.

A lot of people forget we are all here for the same thing, that is to make friends, and learn from the experiences of others.

That is my feelings, and hope i did not insult any one

Denise

[Tamara Croft]

See this, it's Generals Hammer... and this is what ya gonna get if I see anymore GG Bashing.... or any bashing!!! Nuff said ;)

[ChristineRenee]

Awwwwwesome T...so tell me...did u break your spiked whip again?:p:dom:

[Tamara Croft]

Ya think I need a whip when I got that big hammer?? :lol:

[Julie Avery]

I have been studying this matter of GG bashing and have discovered that it happens most when we go too long between panty polls. The stress just seems to build to a breaking point :cheeky:

[Julie York]

I have been studying this matter of GG bashing and have discovered that it happens most when we go too long between panty polls. The stress just seems to build to a breaking point :cheeky:

At last.....someone with a practical solution!:D


LOL


(Nice one).
:thumbsup:

[Kitty Sue]

Wren you definitely have a right to be here. The thing is some people here are just insensitive. I do not know if they are trying to be funny, smarter than the average bear or what but I do them to be highly embarrassing and insulting to CDs as a whole. If you GGs leave I am gone too.

[Tamara Croft]

I have been studying this matter of GG bashing and have discovered that it happens most when we go too long between panty polls. The stress just seems to build to a breaking point :cheeky:But I've not long posted one :slap: I never did see how many voted on it...... *goes to dig it up*

[ChrissyGG]

I am still very new here. I am GG and the way i look at it if someone has to bash someone else are usually the ones that have issues and dislike for themselves.

[Marlena Dahlstrom]

Still aprehensively I hope that my presence doesn't conflict with anybody. I feel like I have a right to be here, for many reasons.

You definitely have a right to be here, so please don't feel apprehensive.

It's really just some folks can be oblivous and insensitive at times, but as you may have noticed in this thread, Tamara's not to only one willing to call them on it.

[sparks]

WOW....GG bashing? I've been lurking around the forum for a little bit now apprehensive about becoming a member. I'm a GG but my SO is FTM, so I kind of feel alone on this one, and I couldn't figure out if I belonged on this site/forum or not. I leap to the otherside to see what's going on and I find this. Talk about unsettling. However, it's reassuring that there is GG support in abundance.

I've never understood how people who know what not fitting into the box feels like, can openly restrict people around them. Because of my situation people always tell me that I'm a lesbian but I argue that that isn't so, and even my gay friends still don't believe that I just am who I am. Acceptance is the key that is missing in so many places.

Still aprehensively I hope that my presence doesn't conflict with anybody. I feel like I have a right to be here, for many reasons.

Wren this is the very fear I spoke of earlier in this Thread! I have finally come forth to tell my wife that I've joined this forum and I want her to join or at least a look around! The Gg's are special spice in this cake and we need them to stay and feel comfortable!
It unsettling enough for my wife to know that I like to wear female clothing! Imagine how unsettled she would feel if this place I come for support bashes GG's! Yes I've made what I thought was a funny and maybe it wasn't to the GG's!! So let's stop and think before we type!

I think Julie is right let's start a panty thread and be content!

[Delila]

part of the reason that i like coming to this site is the fact that i can see how ggs will react to things and then have a general base idea of how my wife might act.

[crusadergirl]

The Life u live will never be perfect but going on about stuff like this makes it harder for everybody. I came here for all the same reasons most of you did but i don't judge ppl i live my life how i want and i speak my mind. Life is short stop crying about this stuff and move on.


I believe in everybody here and i repect you all for coming out and telling everybody your a cd. You all got guts. Now stand up and fight for what you really want!


Saving the world is a full time job believe it.

[Judith TV]

I Have recently joined this forum and find it quite strange that anyone would want to "bash" support members of any kind. I'm not sure about what happens world wide but here in the UK, especially here in North West England we find that most genetic females are accepting and extremely supportive of TVs and CDs in general. I can see no reason or benefit from bashing anyone who is sportive whoever they be. Perhaps the old green eyed monster is rearing its ugly head, envy is a terrible thing.

Judith

Decry me not for my lifestyle or for what I am, I didn't choose this life, I merely play the cards life has dealt me............You see, I was born this way.............(Author.. JSD.).
No man or woman is worth your tears because the ones who are will never make you cry………Author unknown.

[Anita Mae GG]

I wanted to also say that it is great for us GG's to be able to talk to Cd's (other than our own) and get many different points of view. That also makes this site unique, not just that we are allowed here but that we can find friends in both the GG aspect and the Cd aspect.........

Thanks all for the nice words

[Emma_Forbes]

Hi all and especially the GG's,

I haven't read all the posts here but I want to express my appreciation of all the GG's who come here and contribute (and those who don't as well). You all help to make this forum what it is and I implore you to carry on making comments. As for those who have criticised GG's (and I haven't personally seen any such posts, probably just as well), I would say, 'Take a hike'

Em