In a Dilemma over breast augmentation

[Philipa Jane]

Hi all.
I have been back here from time to time and always felt I got a lot of good advice when I have thrown a question out there.
I have the idea of getting a boob job.

I now live on my own and don't see too many friends on a regular basis.
Most days I am dressed unless I have to go out and see someone. Make up and nails all done (Fuchsia today)
Now the thing is I am not looking for any female company so no chance of any problems there. Female friends hug and the guys shake hands. No chance of the guys feeling the bra band clasp.

I think that I could disguise my new bust from friends with loose clothing until such time that I fell comfortable with others knowing of my breast enhancement. However this could be a little more problematic in the summer.
As it is I sunbake in the back-garden which is private but going to the beach will require some thought.
I have the son and daughter in law staying next year from the UK and they love the sun. Continually covering up may seem odd to them.

I have not seen a surgeon yet (due in April) but have checked out a number of Plastic surgeons reviews.
I am thinking a female doctor may be easier to approach although most have said they are TG friendly. I did have to clarify TG to one receptionist??

I can afford to have this done but do I take the plunge?

[susanmichelle]

I would think they would suggest you see a gender specialist first and you possibly going on hrt first not necessarily going all the way. I believe many that have gone that way don?t have the bottom surgery. But it?s just my thinking anyway not to be taken to heart. I have 38 c breast now but are natural. They?ve grown on their own or could have started from medicine I take. Some have warnings of side effects can make changes to our bodies beyond our control. Either way I wish you great luck in your decision. I assume if later on if you changed you mind they could be removed.

[Micki_Finn]

I?d say some counseling is in order. IMO the fact that you?re thinking of ways to hide them means you shouldn?t get them. Besides the risks surgeries inherently involve, there are other health risks involved. Not worth it for private dress up time.
And yes it?s important to know it?s a trans surgery because options and procedures will vary from bio women.

[julia.bowie]

As others have suggested, take professional advice and don't listen to anyone on this or other websites, including myself. For me, it's akin with having a tattoo (which I personally find horrible) in that it is for life. Have a tat at 16 and you'll be carrying it age 80. I'm sure it's why so many crossdressers using padding because they can decide when they want to dressup, remove their padding and go back to their non-crossdressing lifestyle. When you read about women having boob jobs, a lot of women also regret it and at a later date have them removed. As with all things, a very personal decision.

[AmyJordan]

Hi Have you thought of just getting a breastplate then you will always have the option of breasts or not in the case of an emergency. They are now extremely realistic and miles cheaper than a breast implantation. My wife recently brought for me a 38E breastplate from Roanyer and they are super real she absolutely loves them. They come in all sizes and several colours to match your skin she managed to match mine so the edges are virtually invisible. The other upside is that you could purchase different sizes to match your mood or a specific look. Give it some thought but at the end of the day do what makes you happy.

[MonicaPVD]

Before you pull the trigger on a MAJOR SURGERY, I would strongly recommend that you come to terms with what it is you feel the need to hide. You're talking about wearing loose clothes to hide a basically permanent and prominent body modification. Bad idea. Wrap your head around being accepted by others for who you are and what you look like before taking such a drastic measure. You will be much happier in the long run. Hugs!

[Sabine Janus]

Surgery is not without it's risks and should not be undertaken lightly.

You say you'll hid this from others in your life, but if you're taking this step you need to be totally accepting of what you are doing and that includes being honest with people important in your life. You won't be able to hid this indefinately. Physicians who work with reassignment won't touch a person who is conflicted.

[MonicaPVD]

As others have suggested, take professional advice and don't listen to anyone on this or other websites, including myself. For me, it's akin with having a tattoo (which I personally find horrible) in that it is for life. Have a tat at 16 and you'll be carrying it age 80. I'm sure it's why so many crossdressers using padding because they can decide when they want to dressup, remove their padding and go back to their non-crossdressing lifestyle. When you read about women having boob jobs, a lot of women also regret it and at a later date have them removed. As with all things, a very personal decision.

Tats and tits are removable, of course at considerable expense and inconvenience. But your point is solid.

[Krisi]

I think your thinking has been clouded by your fascination with breasts. Personally, I would love to have my own "DD" set, but as a male it's just not practical for me and if you think long and hard about it, it's not practical for you either. You can't hide female breasts under clothing for very long and of course, you can't hide them at all if you're going to the beach, pool or gym.

Unless you can live as a woman full time, having your own, built in breasts is just not realistic.

[Cheryl T]

Counseling is necessary first.
As others said, this is a reversible step. It would not be cheap nor painless and without consequence so I'd think about it long and hard.

[ShelbyDawn]

Just the fact that you're asking tells me the answer should probably be no.

I'd suggest starting with a breastplate of some high grade forms with a quality medical adhesive. You can wear glued on forms for days at a time and they are fairly easy to care for. Sleep, shower, swim in them, all of it. but they are not permanent.

As for hiding breasts, I have gynecomastia and natural B cup breasts. Not man fat, but breasts with mammary tissue. Depending on my choice in bra, and I have a ton, they are either not evident a all or very obvious. When I go to the lake or the beach, well, I'm a guy with boobs and nobody seems to notice or care. I'm guessing if they were EEs it might be a different story. But I live everyday with them, and some days even add enhancers. Life goes on and my famliy and friends haven't said a word.

Just so you know, I lost 50 pounds a couple of years ago and 'the girls' were left behind, so to speak.

[Pumped]

I agree with the other comments on concerns of hiding them. If you are not ready to wear them proudly 24 hours a day in all situations I would say you are not ready. Also, hiding them is going to be tough unless you stay very small, then why bother? Any thing a bit on the large size will not hide easily. C cup or larger will take more than just a baggy shirt.

Put on a bra and C cup forms, a shirt and look in the mirror. Now take off the shirt and figure out a way to bind up the "girls" that doesn't look weird through the shirt. Tight shirts like a polo will be out forever, only oversized button up shirts from here on out unless you are going to show them off. I wear bra and forms often and sometimes out and about, but it is winter here. I will not be wearing them in the summer.

Yes, they can be removed if you change you mind, but it seems like a lot of expense that can be avoided by being confidant that this is the route you want to a take.

[Sandi Beech]

Three years ago, I had the same thoughts going through my head. I am a natural B size and have grown to like how it looks on me especially with a suntan. I figured a small enhancement would be easy to hide as well, but would look nice on me. Fortunately I came to my senses. One issue is that when I dress up, I like to be more like a D. That would mean I would still need to put forms on when dressing so it would not serve much purpose - not to mention my wife would have had a cow.

I did go so far as to enquire with a female surgeon. She was very nice and agreeable to the whole thing - no questions asked. Cost was going to be 6000 as she said it was a trickier procedure on men. It would also require a special tight bra for some time to keep things from moving around during recovery.

Anyhow I came to my senses ( for me ) , I am not saying that about you. Still, if you are concerned about hiding the boobs, it sounds like that might be a red flag. I have since dropped the notion myself. It is kind of nice being able to swap them out for whatever size the occasion calls for. Women can not do that.

My 2 cents. Good luck whatever route you choose.

Sandi

[Aunt Kelly]

Micki's so right. You are considering an expensive, permanent body modification that you want to hide. There are good reasons for top surgery, just as there are good reasons for bottom surgery, FFS, and HRT. I believe that you should be exploring your reasons more deeply before taking this step.

[docrobbysherry]

Simple answer, Philipa:

Trans who wish to live as women get implants.:battingeyelashes:

CD's get silicone forms and breastplates!:heehee:

[Gillian Gigs]

OCD alert, you are getting obsessive about something and need to stop and ask yourself some serious questions. Your best option is to probably get a breast plate, and just enjoy it for the time you want to wear it. As someone else said, "Tats and Tits" have a type of permanence to them, and should not be done without someone getting counsel.

[kimdl93]

I hate to pile on, but I will. You say clearly that you are not looking for female companionship, are dressed unless you have to go somewhere, and expect your clothing to disguise your chest.. This tells me that you are seeking to keep your cross dressing a personal matter. If you are dressing privately, the costs and risks of augmentation seem entirely pointless. And as has been pointed out so many times, your probably need some counseling to help clarify your motivations and thought processes on the matter.

[NancyTO]

Have you tried wearing forms and bra for an extended time (like months), to see what it like to have breast on your chest full time and going about normal life?

[Philipa Jane]

Back again.
After looking at HRT as suggested by some there are major draw backs to this for what I want.
One is weight gain.Mood swings etc.
Another is that it can take many months to achieve any results. I may not have that much time left to see that through. lol

[JenniferMBlack]

I dont know where you live, but even here in Nevada they are asking for a letter from a therapist before doing top surgery. We do have fairly laxed laws allowing for a pretty easy transition. But the doctors still want the letter even if it is not required. Just food for thought there.

[Philipa Jane]

Hi Jenifer.
I did wonder about this point but would a GG have to have a letter?
I know it is not quite the same thing but in principle people have all sorts of body mods done ( some quite horrendous).
This is something I will tackle when I have seen a surgeon.
Ha ha I am perfectly sane and a well balanced human . What could go wrong?

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Dear all.
I have no idea what has happened to all of the replies I made to each and everyone that left a comment.

[char GG]

Philipa Jane,

I used to work for an insurance company, and if a GG wanted insurance to pay for a BA, yes - she did have to have a letter.

If she paid for it herself, then no (at least not in my area).

My thought is that any good plastic surgeon would definitely have you sign all kinds of waivers.

The decision is yours. I don't understand why you would want to hide your new bustline after going through the surgery to get them.

[Meghan4now]

Hmm a breast job without HRT? Would that look or feel natural? Would that make you happy? Beside all the other stuff Mickie said.

[TAG]

IMO not many plastic surgeons would just do a BA on a male just because he wanted boobs.

[Philipa Jane]

Hi Char.
Any surgery of this nature is cosmetic and not covered by any health insurance.
I am certain there will be many more hurdles to cross but untill I speak to someone in person these are unknown quantities.
I think that I used the wrong word in (hiding ) maybe I should have said disguised and this would only be whilst the in laws were visiting.

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Hi Megan.
HRT has not been discounted but this also adds some concerns with associated health issues.
Going with just HRT will take many months whereas implant are instant and on further inspection I may need a breast lift.
Nothing is clear untill I speak to a professional.
At this stage I do think it will make me happy but who knows.

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Hi TAG.
A valid point which is why I would have to tell the surgeon of my history
I am hardly just a male walking in off the street looking for breast enhancement.

[VtVicky]

Lots of excellent (!) advice so far. But, it is not uncommon for emotions to trump logic. When I was considering it, I mentally walked through the little realities that are easy to ignore in the rush for "satisfaction".

For example: Do you have any existing medical conditions that might give your MD pause when considering surgery? If you are concerned about flying under the radar, who are you going to get to drive you home from the hospital, and nurse you through multiple dressing changes for the length of your rehabilitation? You are probably going to have to wear a therapeutic bra constantly for at least a few days, maybe longer.

I was considering having it done in Thailand. I have seen some excellent work done over there.

And, you can wander around for a few weeks recovering with very little chance of being seen by anyone you know. The cost of the trip AND surgery may very well be cheaper than the surgery alone in the States.

Obviously, COVID put the end to that fantasy for awhile.

There are a bunch of YouTube videos covering multiple experiences, pro and con. Spend some time watching other peoples experiences, and try to put yourself in their situations.

Good luck

[Jessax101]

Hello,

No advice here just comment. There are so many good replies and a few that stand out. Seems tits are less permanent than rats. Although they may be removable, there will still be trauma and expense. Less permanent than tats. Because I wanted to do things that I didn?t do while younger, I had gotten 4 new tats, this was while I had no idea or even some idea to try and be a CD. Now, I have to wear clothes that hide the areas of my tats if I want to dress and be fem, although many fem girls have tats, they are more neutral or fem designed not masculine type. Now I am sorry I got certain ones. So my point is, permanent is permanent while removing is easier. Another good idea I have heard on these threads and may come from same pers us if u try something new and exciting, you will not regret not trying. It may not be as u had expected or the way things should go, but at least you tried and can?t say I should have tried. You can regret something, but first you must try it. There are other excellent points but I won?t bog down with excessive length here. Good luck. Thanks Jess.

[closets]

Simple answer, Philipa:

Trans who wish to live as women get implants.:battingeyelashes:

CD's get silicone forms and breastplates!:heehee:

I'm w doc. A CD has more options and much better bang for the buck. We can change our minds about shape, size. internal tissue rejection is non issue. And what happens if the ba results don't meet your expectations? A surgeon gets one try to get it right while we can play at leisure. And it's nice to be able to take them off at end of day, especially the hot ones.

[Philipa Jane]

Hello Vicky.
I have no medical issues to be concerned with. I am as fit as a Malley bull.
I can get a cab home and anywhere else I need to go. When I had eyelid surgery recently my friend took me and picked me up but I stayed at home n my own with no issues.
I would expect the same to happen with this operation.
A friend from here and on this forum had a complete sex change and face surgery in Thailand at a reasonable cost but had to fly a friend out as she was in so much discomfort.
I will go and look at YouTube as I hadn't thought of that.

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Hi Jess.
Thank you for voicing some positives.
I don't want to look back and think I wish I had done that.
So it could be a mistake bit nothing ventured nothing gained.
As for tats they can be lasered off. As the years go by many things that were not possible are now possible.

[Pumped]

I don't believe anyone was trying to be negative, just cautious and making sure you have thought this out.

If you have considered living as a man with nice perky C cup boobs and have no issues, then go for it. As much as I would enjoy it once in a while, living with boobs 24/7 would be a hassle.

Personally unless you are considering transitioning I would have a tough time considering it.

[Paulie Birmingham]

As much fun as i would would have playing with my perky c boobs, it would be a very bad idea. I spend half my summer shirtless on my boat with friends, family, My kids and their friends and family. I would probably look a little funny. And bc of my frame, i would probably need d or dd. if they sagged i would have to wear a bikini top and the world and i are not ready for that

[Jean 103]

No.

Unless you are planning on coming out and representing female full time.

It's not about whether you can hide them or not you're not going to want to.

[albine]

I know very well about this subject, as I had the surgery you are considering, male breast augmentation. I've had it for a few years now, I am a solid C cup, and while I really like them it has not been all roses and unicorns. The thought of having them is great but practicality is hard you will have lots of explaining to everyone you meet, your shirts won't fit the same, most men's shirts won't fit right and are you willing to wear wear women's tops? Going to the ⛱️? Really I did a few times did not take my shirt off and went out of my way to be away from others. When I had mine done I did not go for counseling prior however I ended up going afterwards to help with anxiety issues. Looking back I would still have had them but I would have gone smaller, and had counseling prior to breast augmentation. It's a lot to consider and a life style change just consider.

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Hey there I had mine done a few years ago, definitely not going shirtless. When I go to my sister's pool or to the shore I'm wearing a swim top, and even now I feel a bit self conscious

[Karren H]

Personally I love my 36Ds. I did not have augmentation but have been growing them naturally over the last couple (10) years. So there was no drastic change which I think made it easier on those around me. Can not see being a A cup one day and a D the next. That would be too stressful and hard to explain especially if you are not transitioning. Which I am not. So that is another option you could try. Takes some time but since you live alone you could probably accelerate the results.

[Philipa Jane]

HI Pumped.
Like when I chose the word hiding to describe how I would need to dress in front of visiting relatives I am not adequately expressing myself.
I think that your use of cautious rather than my use of negative is probably right.
However many of the responders are living with family and are perhaps not in the position to have the surgery or are still working in a field where being out is not an option.
May I ask why living with boobs for you would be a hassle or do you fall into the above description?
As for transition I think it is a little late in life for me.

Hi Paulie.
You fall into the category I have described above.
It is not a case of playing with them as much as how they will make me look and feel in my fem form.

Hello Jean.
Small steps on a long journey.
The more that I think about the look the more I realise that disguise will not really be an option and I am getting more used to the idea of being more bold with friends.

Hello Albine.
Thank you for giving me your insight.
I have a C cup breast form on now and with the extra 2 inches of tissue there already I feel this is too much. When I see the surgeon this is something I will discuss and be guided on.
As for explaining to others I have been amazed at how long my false nails are and not one single male has commented on them. The two females have just said about the shape and the shine.
Now boobs could be different, but I don't intend to give out my reasons to anyone. At my age I intend to do as I please. That sounds a little pompous but that is not intended.

So far only one ad for a surgeon in Sydney has said they would need a letter from a therapist and a GP
I have been looking at counselors in gender therapy in my area all weekend.
It is funny that I never needed a letter lots of years ago to have liposuction or recently to have eyelid surgery yet the spectre of breast implants requires another's approval.

Hello Karren.
Long time no speak
Looking at HRT to help with developing boobs will take maybe a lot longer than I may have.
Like the millennials of the present day I want it NOW. LOL
With all the advice I have actually taken a lot onboard and to date I think this is the action I will take.
First go to see the surgeon and see what he or she requires of me from other medical bodies. (therapist/GP)
Get a quote on cost. The ads on Google suggest from $8000 but it could be more who knows.
If I need medical affirmation then cross that bridge.

If you have got this far thank you for reading.

[Pumped]

"HI Pumped.
Like when I chose the word hiding to describe how I would need to dress in front of visiting relatives I am not adequately expressing myself.
I think that your use of cautious rather than my use of negative is probably right.
However many of the responders are living with family and are perhaps not in the position to have the surgery or are still working in a field where being out is not an option.
May I ask why living with boobs for you would be a hassle or do you fall into the above description?
As for transition I think it is a little late in life for me."

Well, I live with just my wife, but unless I was going to reveal all to my friends and family I just don't see how it would work. Half the time I would have may chest bound down to hide my breasts from others. No tight shirts, and summer is hot enough with out adding a layer of binding to my breasts and a larger shirt to hide them under. I just don't see a practical way of dealing with them on a daily basis and trying to hide them. Seems like a lot of hassle for the time spent to actually enjoy them.

Maybe you can work it out. I am just trying to make sure you have thought it over.

[albine]

Hi there If you are set on getting them that is great! just want you to think it through. meet with the surgeon choose the size you want and get a good set of forms to wear from now till September wearing them everywhere you go, if no issues and you are still set on getting them by all means. I live alone, currently work from home thanks to Covid but prior when I had mine done I was working in an office setting. I don't bind or hide them, pretty open about it. Only time I hide them if going to a large event say wedding or possibly funeral where I don't want to draw any attention to myself. Can't really hide them more like minimize the look.

[Maid_Marion]

Hi Philipa Jane,

Have you figured out how your wardrobe will change?

I wear a lot of clothes cut for juniors, as I still look young enough to wear those clothes.
It also helps that I'm tiny and have thin waistline. My breasts are just big enough to fill out junior's tops.

Marion

[Philipa Jane]

Hello Marion.
You sound like my younger sister. Such a small frame and able to buy from the kids clothes section.
My wardrobe at the moment tends towards stretchy fabrics (room to move and grow) but I will not buy anything for awhile after the surgery (if it happens)

[Natalie5004]

Good for you to know what you want.

At times I am in the same boat, but I know I will never have any real fem breasts. But I can understand your question. Please keep us informed as how things are progressing or not progressing.

[ronny0]

No.
Unless you are planning on coming out and representing female full time.
It's not about whether you can hide them or not you're not going to want to.

Jean, I totally agree, although I would not say no, but I would say "Hell NO!"

No woman would go through the pain and expense of surgery while considering how to hide the results / improvements.
People that go for cosmetic surgery all want to show off their results, not worry about trying to hide them!??

[Philipa Jane]

Hi Ronny0.
Thank you for the comment. I am not sure if you read all of my additional replies but I did outline my poor choice of words. Lest not use "hide"anymore.Lets say Disguise
This is purely for the visiting relatives and to spare them any discomfort to their feeling.
The other key here is that I am not a woman and at the moment still keeping my fem side private.
This will change when and if I get the surgery.
And you would say"Hell NO"for what reason?

[sometimes_miss]

As a guy who has always had way too much breast mass for a male, having feminine breasts as a man is a mixed bag. Certainly a nightmare when in the company of men, like in locker rooms, and all the women I've been with made at least a bit of a comment (like, 'They're bigger than mine!). But as a crossdresser with transgender feelings they are, at times, a blessing, helping me feel more like a female when I'm dressed up; the feeling of wearing a bra, and the movement of my breasts as I walk and move around, enhances the self identifying as a girl.

[Kelli_cd]

I would love to have breast augmentation done. My reality, though, is that's a pure dream. I make do with using enhancers in my bras. If my situation were to change, I would start with finding forms of a size I could be comfortable with on a daily basis and go from there.

[kimmy p]

I?d say some counseling is in order. IMO the fact that you?re thinking of ways to hide them means you shouldn?t get them. Besides the risks surgeries inherently involve, there are other health risks involved. Not worth it for private dress up time.
And yes it?s important to know it?s a trans surgery because options and procedures will vary from bio women.

I agree 100% on consulting a professional. But with respect, not necessarily the part about hiding them means you shouldn't. For those who cannot or don't want this part of their life to be "out there". Maybe they feel better about their own body with some breasts, but for professional or personal reason need them discrete the rest of the time. Personally, I wish mine were hydraulic. Out for me, in for work.

[Philipa Jane]

Thanks Kimmy.
You and I are on the same wave length.
Happy to have them for my own satisfaction and maybe getting ready to reveal another side of myself to others.

[ronny0]

Hi Ronny0.
Thank you for the comment. I am not sure if you read all of my additional replies but I did outline my poor choice of words. Lest not use "hide"anymore.Lets say Disguise

And you would say"Hell NO"for what reason?

Sorry, but yes I did not read all of your responses, just commented on the original post.
I would have assumed you would have edited the post if you felt the need for a change.
As to why I said "Hell No" thought I said it already.
IMO those that get cosmetic surgery want everyone to know and want to show off the results.
That being said, IMO we have lived long enough that we have earned the rite to be who we are of maybe who we wish we were.
Although some or maybe many that CD don't want to do it 24x7.
All this being said, if you really have the desire and you have the money and are willing to suffer the pain, do it.
Still if you do it IMO you should own up to it maybe to the point of flaunting the new you.

[Beverley Sims]

Have you got your ears pierced?

You need to do a lot of outings as a woman before you consider breast augmentation.

[Philipa Jane]

Have you got your ears pierced?

You need to do a lot of outings as a woman before you consider breast augmentation.

Hello Beverley.
My ears have been pierced for many many years. Not too sure how that rally equates to my situation.
As a private person I don't feel the need as yet to go out in public. Everything I do is for my feelings and benefit.
I don't feel the need for approval from anyone for my life choices. Who knows what tomorrow will bring, perhaps an outing dressed to shop.

[Nikki A.]

As the others have said, unless you're willing to be open and honest about it, I would consider the alternatives. However each person needs to make their own decision.

[Philipa Jane]

Today I have seen a surgeon and have had two issues for him to consider.
First I spoke about my puffy eyelids. I had the lids trimmed last year which although was a good job did not give me what I wanted.
Because I did not know what to ask for I left it up to the doctors to sort out. Now I know better and I should have had a brow lift.
So when they do the brow lift I will also have the lower lids done as well.
The scars for the brow lift can be hidden in the micro bladed eyebrows that I shall have done after.

Now onto the Breast Augmentation.
I have had many sleep disturbed nights considering how to frame this when I speak to the doctor.
I decided to type up a small history and add in how I am now and that I am free to follow my desire to be more feminine.
He was very laid back about the whole thing and I was feeling good from this.
Probably yesterdays outing dressed helped me enormously.

So I took off my shirt for him to see what my chest was like now. I also had worn a nice white bra that is a good fit and was able to show him where I needed more volume.
He took me into a room where he had a 3D machine which took images of my body and projected it onto a screen.
From that image he was able to manipulate breast sizes by adding extra cc's or using a different shape of implant to get the best result.
Unfortunately I don't think I can share these on here but let me just say they look amazing.

I will have to wait for the quote and I will post that up here when I get it .
At the present moment I would have all of this done at the same time; thinking that if I am going to be in pain lets get it all out of the way at one hit.
Also it would mean only one general anesthetic.

So to those who though I would need counselling before I got the go ahead, in Australia that is not so.
This surgeon is well recognised internationally (he has been trained with the guys that do the Botched TV show) so no issues there.
Thank you for reading this if you got this far.

PJ

[Heather76]

I've not replied to this thread previously as I have no knowledge of BA and certainly no experience with it. With that said, it seems to me you have given this surgery a lot of consideration. You are certainly old enough to determine what it is you want to do, what it is you are comfortable doing, and what it is you are willing to sacrifice if others find your actions beyond what they can accept. If your doctor is fine with performing the surgery and the cost is something you are fine with, I will only wish you the best whatever your final decision is.

[Violetgray]

Philipa I understand how you feel.

I would love to have boobs. If I grew them tomorrow I would be o.k. with that. I actually disagree with some of the others here in that I don't think counseling is necessary for boobs. You either want them or you do not. If you're trying to figure out if you want to go full-time or not is different, then you need a therapist. If you want boobs, you can go for it. BUT.

Understand that your desire to have breasts is influencing your ability to analyze the situation. It is not realistic to think that you could hide them. You might want it to be. But it isn't. In fact, I would argue that the entire point is to have a recognizable secondary sex characteristic. It's your heart that wants to believe there is a happy medium between having the body you want and being discreet still, but there isn't.

I could be wrong though.

[Philipa Jane]

So another update on my plans for the boob job
I have a very close female friend who I once described back in 2009 as my surrogate sister. I have 2 other in another country who I chat with but not like this.
Even though I saw her the day before I was not able to discuss my visit to the surgeon with her so the following day I suggested we have a Serious chat.
She did say in a text that she thought she knew what about.

Well yesterday we met at my house and both wanted to know what the other thought but it was me who called the meeting so I had to start.
I told her about the boob job (this was the first she had heard of it) and she said she was not surprised and suspected that I was going to announce that I was going full time.
After that (Should have laid out the ground rules first) I said ask me anything and I will answer, nothing is off limits.
A great open conversation.

However she had the same concerns as I have outlined before about the in laws visiting in January next year. She felt they have too very conservative views and it could ruin their holiday and my memorial to my late wife.
They could not come here for the funeral due to covid. The most secure state in Australia locking out everyone from interstate and overseas for 2 years.
So the suggestion is that I wait until next year after they leave to have surgery. This is a moot point as I have not had the quote yet or when surgery could happen.
We also discussed who and how to go about telling friends of my new life as Philipa.

My thoughts are to tell the ladies and go from there. Two out of the five guys will be ok with me but the others Hmm not to sure.
As to waiting I can see the value of not hurting someones feelings but I have more years behind me than in front of me and want to move forward.
What do you think?

[AnelineM]

I have been wanting boobs for a while too. BA surgery is kind of sudden and once you do it, you're committed. I don't know if having boobs bouncing around every time I move would be something I'd like when I'm doing standup paddle board, or what not. So I researched pills you can take to grow your own. May or may not work, but I can sort of rationalize what I'd say to friends. Hey, I'm an old guy, things just start growing sometimes..
Anyway, if you want boobs, and you can get it done safely, go for it. BA might actually be safer than changing your hormonal chemistry, and you'd have more say in how they look. This is about you and how you feel, not about the rest of the world.

[Aka_Donna]

Do you really want to wait another 8 months? Won't the visit be less than a week? Couldn't you handle some heat discomfort then? Remember most people in very hot climates, cover up more than less.

Just asking....

[Philipa Jane]

Hi Sirdonna.
No I don't want to wait if the opportunity presents itself.
The in laws are coming for three weeks or so and it is normally hot Around the forty degree mark.
They like the beach and it may be difficult not to go with them.
You see the problem now Iexpect.

[Aka_Donna]

Understand now, it's about 43 to 44 in the summer here. So you're just getting warmish :o

Three weeks is a long time, but the real issue is the beach. Now understand and agree the BA should wait, BUT again I would suggest two sets of forms, that you can wear before they come: size C and D. So you can be sure of the size. The only other advice I have is get a same BA. Some times and brands have higher tissue rejection rates and need to be removed because of reaction to materials.

[Philipa Jane]

Hi SirDonna.

Thanks for the suggestion on forms. I do have 2 different sets and shapes.
Funny situation last week. I was out cycling and this day I had worn the forms under my riding suit.
This was the one day I could have done with not getting a puncture.
Not only does the Lycra enhance ones form but the repair was made more onerous by not wanting to damage my nails when removing the tyre.
I did manage, but the repair did not hold so I found myself walking back home and passing numerous other walkers.
I wonder if others noticed this cyclist with long nails and a bust.

[Aka_Donna]

I've found Schwalbe Marathon to provide great results. They also have the plus model. Miles and miles without flats.

Adding a tire sealant or slime to your tube can provide an extra layer of protection

Rather than try repair, I always carried a spare tube and either air or old fashioned small pump.

If you were wearing clipin's that's the opposite of high heels. Hope the walk wasn't too long.

[sometimes_miss]

Growing your own, via hormone therapy, usually results in smaller female breasts that your female relatives (of normal weight) have, so keep that in mind.
As a nurse, I've come across hundreds of patients, female friends and coworkers, who have had, and/or considered getting, breast augmentation. Most were happy with it after they had it; only one woman had a problem, and that was eventually resolved by going to a different surgeon to solve it. The one thing that the nurses who I have known who have had it done, were all very adamant about, was choosing your surgeon very carefully. There's a reason why so many women who go to $5000 surgeons wind up being the ones who are unhappy with the results, and the ones who went to the surgeons who do the breast augmentations for rich women are all generally quite happy. You often only get what you pay for. Hollywood doctors to the stars, and NYC Park avenue plastic surgeons are going to be a better bet, than say, a self proclaimed plastic surgeon who hangs out his shingle at his office on a dirt road in the Ozarks.
Now, that said, a really good job WILL NOT be easily noticeable; the scars will lie in the crease under the breast, and in the armpits. And, great plastic surgeons can make those scars almost completely unnoticeable, as well. How they feel, over the long term, will depend on each individual's body and how they heal. Some will develop encapsulation around the implant resulting in a slightly more 'hard' feeling to the breast (which is what so many men think of when they feel it, believing that they can always 'spot a fake'). Others don't always develop this; the extreme, are the elderly patients which I have seen over the years coming into my e.r. for chest pain, and they make sure to tell us about their 'fake' breasts, in order to be sure that we know in case it will affect the treatment they get. Nearly all of those elderly patients who had their breast augmentations 40 or more years ago, were all very happy with them, and they didn't feel any different from 'real' breasts; the one difference? They all remained firm and in place, while real breasts almost always sagged quite a bit.
So, pick a good doctor is apparently the best advice.
Enjoy your new breasts.
I guess I'm lucky. Gynecomastia since I was 9, increasing over the years. So, I 'grew my own'. Great as a crossdresser; not so great as a 'regular guy' in men's locker rooms.

[Philipa Jane]

Ha Ha SirDonna.
Good one about the heels, and today I had the shop replace the tube and bought a spare.
Sometimes Miss.
I do so agree with getting the right surgeon and I believe I have.
I saw the quote today for my eyes and BA, just over $16 thousand with the anaesthetist quote still to come. My medical insurance should cover the hospital stay.
Scars should not be seen as they will be under the breast.
I did have gynecomastia years back and at the time wanted it gone so that the forms would sit closer to my chest. (the tiny pocket behind them was not sufficient) I had liposuction on my chest belly and love handles. I have never been so sore or bruised so I am expecting plenty of discomfort from this. But won't it good when I heal.

[albine]

Hi interesting topic, I had male breast augmentation surgery a few years ago. I felt the same way you do back then. I didn't have to go to counseling however I wish I had prior to my surgery. I originally wanted B size but ended up going larger solid C / full C cup boobs. While the look great in terms of balancing my frame, but very noticeable not easy to hide, once you go through with surgery you are totally committed can't just take them off.to be honest first 6 months were great! Over the moon with them after that I started to have doubts after months of counseling I am in a good place but took awhile to fully adjust which I was surprised. Any questions I'm willing to answer
Good luck

[Jessax101]

Hi,

Thanks. I actually am looking into having part of my very masculine tat on arm or part of it removed. Besides it was not what I envisioned to look.

[gender_blender]

I finally did my BA in 2020 and love every second of having DDs now. But I was also on hormones for 20+ years before deciding to do it. Definitely consult a therapist and see if there are insurance options in your area that may handle the cost as well!