Female Visual Illusion: CD's, how and why is that important to you?

[docrobbysherry]

I realize trans that r out mostly present to the degree of fem self they feel they r inside. When possible. And, most r not trying to fool anyone!:eek:

However, many of us CD's use as many tricks as we can to present a very female illusion.:daydreaming:

My question is to those of u that go to these extremes: Where do u go, why is this so important, and who r u trying to fool?:eek:


I may use more "tricks" than anyone here. Because I need to fool myself into seeing a pretty female in my mirror! :battingeyelashes:

When I'm out I KNOW I pass as an attractive, young woman from behind. But, never from the front!:doh:
If I could fool Muggles I would. But, since I can't except with a mask, on Halloween. I must remain satisfied with the visual illusion I present to myself and I am!:devil:

How about your "female illusion", CD's? Is looking attractive and sexy important to u? If so, who do u do it for, where, and how's that going?:straightface:

[suchacutie]

When Tina takes over so many things change, such as voice, language, deportment... Even standing at the kitchen counter naturally leads to a feminine pose. All of that is incongruous with my masculine side. It is completely natural to feel longer hair, lipstick, and stockings;to smell Tina's particular perfume; and to feel the sensations of her clothes. It is the entire package that makes sense to her and gives her the ability to focus on who she is.

[Helen_Highwater]

While it can be wrong to generalise, for many women their appearance matters and for me it's the same. I want to make "The package" look right.

Forms, wigs, padding, makeup all contribute to the whole and I'm always seeking to be stylishly dressed and by that I mean an outfit appropriate for the time and place that consists of elements that look good together.

I to don't pass close up and from the front. If they can't see my face then I hope I look like any other female. I'm not seeking attention.

[MarinaTwelve200]

My goal, I stated years ago to myself, was to see what I would have looked like had I been born a female. By using the correct clothing, makeup and photo angles. I never could seem to "fix" the image in my mind for a long time.

[Elizabeth G]

Hi Doc,

When I go out my goal is to present as and be perceived as a woman to the best of my ability. I just want people to see me the way I wish I was and the way I feel inside. I dress to blend and usually go to a nearby city to just do the normal things that any other person might do. I don't really like the term "trying to fool" as in my mind that connotates malicious intent though I suppose that is what I'm doing. My bag of tricks is just forms, pads, makeup and comportment.

[Kris Burton]

I am trying to present the best female image I can. Apparently the entire process fills a deep need inside me that has gone unanswered through most of my life. Perhaps because I am still quite new to actively CDing, I still find it sensual as well. If I can make myself look better through makeup, wardrobe and "enhancements" the experience and the fantasy will be heightened. I am not trying to put one over on anyone, for me its much more fantasy than illusion, and at present very much a solo one. However, I do enjoy the attention greatly if someone likes my photos and presentation.

[MonicaPVD]

I don't know about any of you, but I'm not trying to fool anyone. I simply try to look my best, just as I try to look my best when I'm out in drab. There's something to be said about putting effort into your appearance. It radiates confidence and positive energy. Of course, anyone who is paying attention will notice that I'm not a cis woman. That doesn't matter. I look good. I feel good. People notice. They react accordingly.

[CrossKimmy]

Even when I?m not presenting as Kimberly she?s there doing her thang

[Natalie5004]

I love the illusion I create for myself. My wife tells me that I look like a man. My body shape and large shoulders are a give away.

But here is the part that is starting to scare me. I dress every day for about 8 hours. This has got to be having a effect on my brain and my outside persona.
Today I feel real good about my look. Other days not so much.

So, I think my trick in the mirror is getting to be less a trick and how I really look.

Am I turning Trans? I heard somewhere that the difference between Crossdressers and Trans is about 5 years. I am in my 3rd year of doing this "hobby" .

[docrobbysherry]

While it can be wrong to generalise, for many women their appearance matters and for me it's the same. I want to make "The package" look right.

Forms, wigs, padding, makeup all contribute to the whole and I'm always seeking to be stylishly dressed and by that I mean an outfit appropriate for the time and place that consists of elements that look good together.

I to don't pass close up and from the front. If they can't see my face then I hope I look like any other female. I'm not seeking attention.

Most people that think they pass really don't. But, I KNOW I pass from the back, Helen! When I'm in clubs watching the dance floor, guys will walk by me to get a look at my face. When they do? They look shocked, frightened, and run away as fast as they can!:eek:
:devil:

[Fiona_44]

I try to blend in wherever I go and I am extremely gratified that I am perceived as just another woman by both men & women. I am not trying to fool anyone but I am very fortunate in that I pass in many casual situations using a combination of appropriate attire, forms, a wig, lipstick, jewelry and as many feminine mannerisms as I can think of.

[Debbie Denier]

We all love the illusion and may be trying to kid ourselves. I know i dont pass but its all about how it makes me feel and always has been. I have always been drawn to people that are different and dont want to be the same myself. Everyone is at different levels on this forum but have the same thing in common. I would love to be a fly on the wall at a nightclub with Sherry.

[Patience]

[...]I'm not trying to fool anyone. I simply try to look my best, just as I try to look my best when I'm out in drab. There's something to be said about putting effort into your appearance. It radiates confidence and positive energy. Of course, anyone who is paying attention will notice that I'm not a cis woman. That doesn't matter. I look good. I feel good. People notice. They react accordingly.This.

I feel other people are more likely to take one's crossdressing seriously if they perceive that we are serious about it. I like to think I may pass as a very tall woman under the right conditions, but I consider my presentation to be a success if the average person isn't 100% certain right off the bat. I know it is game over when they hear my voice.

Putting on one's best possible look is also a safety issue, as the better one blends in, the less likely one is to be harrassed.

[docrobbysherry]

I'm sorry, Patience, but this thread is NOT about trans who go out dressed every day or CD's dressing to blend so no one notices them. It's about those CD's who go to extraordinary lengths to look sexy, attractive, and feminine to the extreme! And, their reasons for doing that.:battingeyelashes:

[Stephanie47]

I stand back from mirrors in our home. My male feature face isn't going away. At six foot and 200 pounds I am not fooling anybody when taking a stroll. My adventures out of the home are evening strolls in the early darkness. The evenings are usually cool; I love the fall the best. A light rain is great as a large umbrella can be tilted to obscure my face and somewhat conceal my height if I pass humanoids.

[Sallee]

My goal is to blend So I dress for the local. The mall or city sidewalk its usually flats, jeans, fem blouse, jewelry, padding were need and makeup for beard cover and the fem illusion. Of course if its the drag club were even the 5'4" female has trouble passing I glam it up because everyone for the most part knows you're in drag.
I like to blend and pass and to the casual observe I probably do but under close exam forget it. I am a man.

[Deborah G]

I always try to look the best I can in any situation. I know I don't always succeed, but I enjoy the process of presenting myself as Deborah.

[Patience]

I'm sorry, Patience, but this thread is NOT about trans who go out dressed every day or CD's dressing to blend so no one notices them. It's about those CD's who go to extraordinary lengths to look sexy, attractive, and feminine to the extreme! And, their reasons for doing that.:battingeyelashes:Already? But I just got here!


Now that you have clarified your meaning (thank you), I reread your OP and did not see the words "Sexy", or "Attractive" anywhere. I read the title "Female Visual Illusion: CD's, how and why is that important to you?", and went from there. Please also note the absence of the words "sexy" and "attractive" in the title.

If you want the right answers, Doc, please be sure you are asking the right question!

Xox,

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[sometimes_miss]

For me, it's to resolve the cognitive dissonance of part of my mind telling me I'm female, and my body being male. So I use as much sensory feedback as I can, to support the concept that I am female. The most obvious are the pretty, long hair wigs, which I sometimes braid with little ribbon bows on the ends, or just leave free, so I have to almost constantly brush the hair out of my face, or have to be extra careful to avoid getting it in my food. Of course, the jewelry, nail polish, every sight of clothing or tactile sensation of fabric which doesn't exist in the male world of attire, my girl shoes definitely feel different, the ever so clinking of my dangling earrings provide 'music to my ears', telling me that I'm a girl.
So it's a collection of input for the senses, which makes this boy, feel like he's a real girl, and it works quite well, as long as, of course, I avoid mirrors (I only have one full length mirror, on the back of my bedroom door, and the bathroom mirror isn't much bigger than a standard letter size sheet of paper, so I tape up a picture of a woman's face that I would like to be). For I can only see the clothes, the bumps where female breasts exist (I have 'suffered' from gynecomastia since about age 9, either a curse or blessing, depending on whether I'm presenting as a male at the gym showers, or at home being the girl I wanted to be). And that's what I need to feel normal.

[docrobbysherry]

Patience, thank u for correcting me!:hugs:

[Patience]

No worries.

And, to try to answer your question in the way I think you mean it, I am not sure sexiness and attractiveness are things that require going to extremes for because either one is sexy/attractive or one isn't. It is not about degrees. Either you have it or you don't or, to put it in another way, to be or not to be - that is the question.

I think sexiness and attractiveness fall under what I think are called "soft skills". It has to do with how one carries oneself and relates to others. Intelligence, confidence, a good sense of humor, being well-read, being a good listener, having better than average good manners /etiquette, having an ability to empathize with other people and all other similar traits combined result in someone being perceived as sexy/attractive...or not.


Me? I'm laden with the affliction of being too damn sexy for my own good, but I have sworn not to use my powers for evil ends. You're welcome.

[docrobbysherry]

Once again we're going down different roads, Patience.:doh:

I'm only referring to a dresser's appearance as they past by. And, most of the things u find "attractive" can't be seen in a person walking by!:daydreaming:

I've found many of the traits u mentioned in dressers I've met. But, in some cases it's taken many years to discover them!:straightface:

[Patience]

After all that? I put some work into that response, you know.

It sounds like what you really want to know is how sl*tty folks are prepared to dress to impress others. Is that it?

[docrobbysherry]

Bingo! Or, closer anyway!:devil:

[Patience]

Why didn't you say that (or something close to that) in the first place?

Speaking for myself, I am primarily working on improving my cleavage, so I'm favoring low cut tops, but that's it.

[KymG]

Its very important to me, but I only do it for me. I like to look as convincing and as sexy as possible.
Thats important because i wouldnt be sattisfied just throwing on a few things, I have to go all out.
Mainly at home, sometimes in the car.
Although id only pass in the dark, if i was lucky, but that remains to be seen yet.

To quote Natalie "Am I turning Trans? I heard somewhere that the difference between Crossdressers and Trans is about 5 years"
Definitley not, Ive been doing this for a long time, although only really been happy with my look in the last couple of years.

[TAG]

Turning trans or turning gay are terms I find amusing.
Either you are trans or gay or you aren't LOLOL
It does take the person a few years to accept it tho'.
I do dislike people that try to say a CDer is trying to fool someone.

[Jessica Secret]

Hi Doc, I'm closeted but oh yes I do want to look & feel sexy & attractive and I definitely think I achieve that at home since I wear beautiful/romantic lingerie to bed almost every night. I wear it for both myself as well as for my boyfriend, he thinks I'm gorgeous in lingerie and let's just say things are great between us in the bedroom, so it definitely has the desired effect that I want. I feel like a bride coming to bed on her wedding night, and I love that feeling. :battingeyelashes:

[MarinaTwelve200]

Turning trans or turning gay are terms I find amusing.
Either you are trans or gay or you aren't LOLOL
It does take the person a few years to accept it tho'.
I do dislike people that try to say a CDer is trying to fool someone.

A CROSSDRESSER is someone who cross-dresses and is NOT GAY or TRANS---Part of the usual definition. Gays and Trans may cross dress (verb), but they have their own terminology. (Gay, transsexual) ;)

Yeah, a common ignorant stereotype That lumps Crossdressers and Gays into the same thing and they cross-dress to fool and attract other males. Who the hell is being fooled? And wouldn't a Gay person want to attract another GAY man?----Looking like a woman would be fishing with the wrong bait.

[Camille58]

Interesting thread! I don't know why other people sometimes like to dress like we stepped out of a VS catalog. I know why I do, though. When I first discovered crossdressing, really, it was more like crossdressing discovered me. It came to me in a dream. Honestly! I know how that sounds .But it hit me so hard that I couldn't ignore it . As I started to explore this new side of me, I tried to explain it to my wife. I told her that it was not about her. It was not about us. It felt deeply personal. As time went on, I came to the conclusion that it is not about anything involving anyone else. SOMETIMES I JUST LIKE TO FEEL PRETTY!

[TAG]

A CROSSDRESSER is someone who cross-dresses and is NOT GAY or TRANS---Part of the usual definition. Gays and Trans may cross dress (verb), but they have their own terminology. (Gay, transsexual) ;)

Yeah, a common ignorant stereotype That lumps Crossdressers and Gays into the same thing and they cross-dress to fool and attract other males. Who the hell is being fooled? And wouldn't a Gay person want to attract another GAY man?----Looking like a woman would be fishing with the wrong bait.

Fishing with the wrong bait is a great analogy I love it !

[Sandi Beech]

Doc,

After re-reading the thread I suppose it would apply to me. I certainly push my feminization to the limit of my abilities, and I would have to say dancing topless is about as far as one can go with pushing sexy to the limit. Why do I do this and for whom? I ponder the same question at times. I know MonicaPVD hit it on the head in a post some time ago saying when you attract others, you are getting validation that your efforts are noticed.

The attention I get drives me to do even better at the next outing. It is a bit of a vicious cycle because I am taking up to 3 hours to get primped up. My outing last weekend was no exception and I had multiple women and men tell me I looked beautiful. Some are just being nice but it happens often enough I know my efforts are working. Why is the attention so intoxicating - that I can not tell you. All I know is that I dress in what I like to see, and apparently people I meet in person like what they see on me as well so why not?

Sandi

[Cheryl T]

From the way you stated things I suppose I must classify myself as Trans and not CD.
I'm not trying "to fool" anyone any longer. I'm just being me. It's no longer a concern what someone perceives when they see me. What is of concern is how I feel. Seems I've crossed the border.

[DanielleDubois]

Danielle is a strictly stay at home girl but I am very serious about presenting as complete and female illusion in the mirror as possible. I wouldn't say I am trying to fool myself but with some serious tucking and all the other tricks of the trade I do enjoy creating as convincing female image in the mirror and photos. I love doing my boudoir photos in sexy revealing lingerie and looking at the photos afterwards and thinking, wow, is that really me.

[Karren H]

For me, I do it all for myself, me thinks. Having a feminine body is something I obsess over, all the time. That is why I do what I do. Body modifications are not reversible. I do notI really have a plan or an end game, so I continue to work on my fem figure. (37 under bust, 44 bust and growing). Lol.

[pattyattimes]

Camille, Thank You for your post.
Your statements at the end....
It felt deeply personal. As time went on, I came to the conclusion that it is not about anything involving anyone else. SOMETIMES I JUST LIKE TO FEEL PRETTY!
Really spoke to me, yes sometimes I just want to feel pretty, with maybe a dash of sexy thrown in.

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Karren, could you please share what it is you do as you work on your fem figure (37 under bust, 44 bust and growing). I would like some of that!!

[docrobbysherry]

Camille, upping the anti on your statement: When I dress I ALWAYS like to look pretty!:daydreaming:

[MonicaPVD]

Whenever I am out dressed in the world, I want to have an appearance that is attractive, neat, and well put together for two simple reasons. First, because I always want to look my best even as a guy. I'm not a fan of the "just rolled out of bed" look. Second, because the more coherent and complete my female appearance is, the less unwanted attention on me. Of course there are times when I want all the attention, but that's a whole other story. By the way, none of us are fooling anyone who is paying attention and that's perfectly fine.

[Rachel Anne]

One of the more difficult skills I found was how to "tone it down". My first question became "what would a GG do?", and go for there. Like Monica, I always strive to look my best, but sometimes that means a "no makeup makeup look" or casual clothes. Doesn't mean you can't look casual, but in a put together way.