Is Face-App ?

[Judy-Somthing]

I'm sorry, is Face-App crossing-dressing?

I'm not saying I look great but, four years ago I started dressing again and when I look in the mirror I was horrified, a 60 year old man in a dress.

I decided to to in the effort to look as fem as possible. I watched quite a lot of YouTube videos and put quit a lot of effort into looking like a woman as I could.

If I used Face-App in posting my photos I could could look very womanly but, it wouldn't be me.
When you say (you look great) with Face-App your not saying wow you look great!
Use makeup not Face-App!

[Patience]

As an act, maybe. As a craft, definitely not.

People should use the resources they see fit, but depending on a third party app is not a great idea, imo.

[Heather76]

Judy, I look at it this way. I'm a 77 year old man that loves wearing women's dresses, lingerie, and other items. I am NEVER going to pass. Depending upon the circumstance, I may blend. More correctly, I may not draw attention to myself; but, anyone with any common sense can see right thru me and likely tell I'm a guy. I do use makeup but I need schooling in its use. I'm hoping to get a makeover at ULTA in mid-March. I don't go out dressed often; but, when I do I'd like to have a better idea of how to make myself more presentable.

As an aside, I see in your signature that you say CDing is much more fun than fishing. I'll have you know I made my livelihood in the fishing industry for 20 years. During those 20 years I fished a LOT. And, you're correct. Crossdressing is so much more fun than fishing. I only wish I had discovered my love of crossdressing when I was in that business because I spent about 130 nights per year in motel rooms. That's basically well over 2,000 nights I didn't CD when I could have been.

[CynthiaD]

I agree, Judy. I’ve tried face-app and it makes me look like a 15-year-old girl. Would you believe that anyone born in 1948 looked like a 15-year-old girl? Yes that's how I looked in 1963. But that was a very long time ago. When I put some effort into it, I look female. Old female, true. But female. And that's what's important.

[AnelineM]

Well, I just today was messing around with Faceapp, before I saw this post. I enjoyed the results. First, I would not represent a Faceapp picture of Aneline as the real thing. I can see that it smooths wrinkles and does something to make me look more feminine, but its not real. But I look at my Faceapp picture and see what I could be if I worked on my makeup, wig, etc. (at least in my imagination) Also, there are two filters, the first is a more literal wig and a little makeup on a guy image. The second filter removes a bunch of wrinkles and takes quite a few years off my face. I know that a little makeup and a wig will not take 40 years off my face. But its fun. Should Faceapp images be banned from this site? Eh. A label seems honest. But does it really matter? I think that's on the presenter. This isn't a competition, no money's at stake. It's just people talking. If you represent yourself untruthfully (using Faceapp or any other means), most likely we'll never know. Just don't pretend to be a crossdresser, when actually you aren't into that.
-Aneline

[DianeT]

I will probably never use FaceApp, both because the result seems very loosely related to the original and you could as well have photoshopped a lady's face over yours, and for confidentiality reasons. But I have nothing against the fact that people use it, it's a fantasy like other fantasies, nothing wrong with the concept itself.
However, I agree its use should definitely be mentioned in this forum, since it may cause significant distress to members not aware of it and blaming themselves for not achieving the same results with mere makeup and photographs angles.
I would just add that Photoshop editing other than just fixing colors and lights (i.e. developing tasks) falls in the same category and should be mentioned as well.
One could object that makeup and camera lighting and angles are tricks too. They sure are. But for one, they're far less deceptive and efficient than FaceApp, and for two, they are things people are familiar with, and will factor in to get a hint of what the original looked like, something impossible with a complete face recomposition produced by an AI algorithm.

To people talking about avatars. I'm not sure you actually read the OP. This isn't the subject, Judy alluded to "posting photos", which is a different thing. When you post photos of yourself, it's supposed to be yourself, not an AI-generated creature. If you don't mention some FaceApp process was at work, then you are intently deceiving members (just like when you post some made-up stories pretending it happened to you).
With your avatars, just do as you please, I don't think anyone ever complained about silently using FaceApp in these.

[Helen_Highwater]

Judy,

I believe I'm right in saying a few days ago you posted pic sans FaceApp.

Yes there was a difference to previous postings but not that great that I would have no hesitation to say you'd have no problems going out.

If I go out I have an App I use; Confidence. Works better than anything else.

[Debs]

Never used any face apps, just good old makeup knocks years off you, lol PS Im 66 years young this year

I go out regular, now I like to see my picture to see if Im presentable and maybe pass enough to blend in, A face app or photoshop would completely give me the wrong idea in my head of how I actually look and feel walking down the street, do I pretend to be the person in the face app in my head ?, or do I feel real with the makeup I have done, When my makeup goes on right its the most amazing feeling, just wouldnt get that with a face app, a face app picture is somebody else and not the real me. I know you say hip pads wigs etc are not real, but they take you into the real world with thrill and excitement, a face app can never do that.

[Kris Burton]

When I first began to CD, I used faceapp as an experiment, just to see what might be possible if I were to develop further. I liked what I saw, but thought it would be impossible to achieve those kind of results. - it was like a world-class facelift! However, I persevered and with my wife's help developed some rudimentary makeup skills that got my persona started on the right track. So for me, although a good starting point and a helpful tool, it did not and cannot substitute for the real thing - which I must add for me is WAY more fun.

[Jillcder]

I have not used a face app but I can see why it would be fun to play with. As a crossdresser I love playing with makeup to feminize my appearance looking in the mirror as a male can be scary days so I definitely get enjoyment from makeup. I do remember a few years ago my wife actually took a picture of me with a Snapchat M to F and told me i looked like our oldest daughter she was right kinda creeped me out.

[Erin77]

I used to use face app but have started to use my real face as I have learned what it takes to make me look how I want. Not an easy task when starting out. Face app can be unrealistic and I had to learn that I wouldn't look that way in real life. If I wanted to dress and go out on my terms with me looking my best I had to stop and learn real make up. It can be fun to use though.

[TAG]

I have never used face app because I don't use my phone to get on the internet.
I suppose its a tool one could use to get make up ideas.
I have been on sites where they do not allow face app pics. To each their own I guess.

[MarinaTwelve200]

I don't use such software in MY pics, myself---Not only would it be "Cheating" it would undercut my own makeup and photography skills and even change my face into something that is not me. I see why it should NOT be used---and why , IF we use it, say for some "interesting effect", admit to doing so.

But I will agree it is VERY GOOD for getting new makeup ideas. For example, in Snapchat, I can take a Photo of some celebrity, say "Liz Taylor", or "Sophia Loren" and drop it DIRECTLY atop one of my "drab" Pictures. and their features, makeup included, will "Rubber mask" itself onto my own face. The resulting image, I can use as a "blueprint" to make myself up to resemble them. In some cases, if the face shape is right and using the right wig, I can actually SEE the resemblance in my own makeup results. at the very least, I learn new makeup patterns and looks, that I attribute to my recent makeup "improvements" as of late.

[Maria 60]

My wife puts it in her perspective, she tells me it's my fantasy live it the way you want. Inguess she's right, I don't pass but I try my best to achieve the best look possible but I don't see a problem with anyone using face app to better something or achieve a look there after.

[Shelly Preston]

I can see why for some, it can provide some way of being in disguise.

It also can help people see how they may have looked when they were younger in female mode.

Personally I have never found the need to use it.

[Jenn A116]

I enjoy playing with face app just to see what could be possible.

[Princess Chantal]

I personally do not and would not waste my time with touching up my pictures whether it be Faceap, photoshop, or filters. I do for some reason have to rotate a picture, save, and then rotate back the picture to be able to post on the site so it will not be upside down or sideways.
I have noticed the benefit of faceaps and filtering on the site though. There are far less torso pictures and odd blurring of the face. However, I could see the many cons as well. I like the mentioning of the Faceap rule as I had noticed that many that were using it before the rule were getting many praises and comments compared to us that do not measure up to those fantasy faces. It does seem like some people are not sure what Faceap does as even with the mentioning of it, people complimenting the persons make up and being ?passable?. I tend to not go ?oh lala? on people?s pictures that mention Faceap as who knows if more has been touched up!

[Mary Loo]

Well, as I have tried to be up front about, I do appreciate FaceAp for several reasons.

1. Sure I love the results, and as others have correctly pointed out, it sets a potentially unrealistic expectation. However, it can also be a goal. I never try to play off a FaceAp photo as reality and happily comply with the sites rules of making note as such.

2. I am still FULLY in the closet. I truly appreciate and sometimes envy, how out so many on this board are and how it enhances their life, but I am not there yet, if ever. I am not comfortable posting my real life image on the public web. Nor, much more importantly, is my wife. Hence, FaceAp allows me to share a little, but still keep a little level of anonymity. The alternative, as many on here choose is to share no images whatsoever. Or no heads or have to use some other tool to blackout or scratch out features which is also time consuming and extra steps (FaceAp is easier).

3. I have not yet gotten very good at, nor had much opportunity to get good with makeup. Refer to item 2 and that I my son still lives with us and my wife isn’t super comfortable with me wearing makeup, either. FaceAp ( and I only have the free version which only offers one makeup setting) helps at least hide a few things. Originally I ran it through 2 or 3 times and always picked the Feminine2 setting. Now,
I only run it once and only the feminine setting, assuming it doesn’t already assume feminine as the original when the photo of me is en femme with a wig. Depending on the lighting and angle it is about 70-30 that it will take the original as feminine.

I appreciate everyone’s reasons for their disdain for these Apps, but for me, personally, the Apps are still useful. In some ways it is a quick and time saving way to pseudo cross dress when the opportunities aren’t there, but no, it in itself is not crossdressing.

Just wanted to present a positive side of it to help counter balance the responses so far.

[OrdinaryAverageGuy]

I've played with faceapp, and, surprise, I have an opinion. Go for it. Have a blast.
BUT...
Be honest. It isn't you anymore. If you use your pic here let us know it's altered (aka fake). My own faceapp'd pics look absolutely fantastic! If I was actually a female and 30 years younger, that is. When I first tried it I wondered if with proper makeup skills I could look like that, the short answer is no, all the makeup experts in Hollywood couldn't make me look that good (although the folks that make latex masks maybe could, but then I'd be in a costume and not makeup)
Those pics look as much like me as if I used a photo of Marilyn Monroe and claimed it was really me.
If honesty isn't important enough for you, consider the many here who try like hell to get their makeup just right, and you come along and with the touch of a button put them all to shame. That's not cool.

My own avatar is a cartoon-ized pic of me, I believe it's obvious that it's altered.

[Majella St Gerard]

I personally feel that Face-App is cheating. I've never used it and would never post an altered photo of myself and claim it was all me. How delusional can you get. You can't walk out the front door with Face-App. Just my humble opinion.

Peace & Love & Happy New Year.
Gerri

[docrobbysherry]

Good point, Gerri. Which is why I can't be bothered with face apps.:thumbsdn:

Said the CD who wears masks out often, including last nite at a packed club, New Years Eve! Try doing that with your face app!:devil:


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I personally think it isnt crossdressing and I came to that personal opinion from those who used to post pics and pretend it was them . ( from a 80 yr old to a 20 yr old- taking it to the extreme.You can learn makeup, shading ect skills . That would be more rewarding in my opinion. ------------------------------So we had to make this rule

As a result it should only be used to enhance features not completely change your face..

While I understand and agree with the APP rule that people should not be "fooled", Di. But, as one of those 80 y/o dressers u describe, no amount of make up makes me look 20, 60, or even like an 80 y/o woman!:doh:

And, since I'm able to create a 20 y/o woman's figure I find seeing an old man's face on that body in my mirror to be quite disturbing!:eek:
I sympathize with other dressers who r not able to use make up to hide an ancient male face but want to present a youthful figure.:battingeyelashes:

[Amanda James]

I love face app and the thought of a crossdresser thinking there's something fake about it gave me the giggles:)

[AmyJordan]

My wife expects me to look the best at all times so I have to put the effort in to achieve that, I can't walk about in real time 'faceapped' I have ran a few photos through faceapp and think it can be amazing but definitely would never post them as real. Some people are super photogenic I am not, in male mode I take awful pictures I am much more confident having pictures taken as Amy but again that's because I have to put the effort in even so the majority end up on the 'cutting room floor' I get more satisfaction by pleasing my wife and trying to look nice than relying on photographic trickery.

[Erin Lafleur]

Yes Amanda, I agree!
Many of us wear fake boobs, eyelashes, hip pads, corsets etc and yet get in a bundle when someone uses a digital face app? Seriously?
I really don't understand the issue. My avatar, for instance, is not me... it maybe something that I aspire to but it is in no way attainable. I am a 65 year old man for heaven's sake. I have never held out that my avatar is me, not even close.
Many of us use the avatars that we're comfortable with. Some are plucked from the internet (a stock photo of a pretty woman, like mine), a feminine graphic representation etc.
If there was a meeting that stated that there were rules to be followed in terms of a feminine presentation, I must have missed it.
What an absurd concept, I'm sorry...

[SaraLin]

FaceApp? Love it. Hate it.

I love what it can make me look like after it works its magic.

I hate that it's only "make believe" and I'll never look like that in the real world.

Do I, have I, or would I - ever post pictures of the "after" without saying that the pictures are altered? No way. It just wouldn't feel right.

[Krisi]

There is no rule that the pictures you post her of yourself have to actually be pictures of yourself and any such rule would be impossible to enforce anyway. I remember years ago one member had an avatar photo that turned out to be a photo of a public figure who I was unfamiliar with.

I don't is a "face app". I do have a software program that will add eye makeup (and other makeup) and I will sometimes us it to enhance my photos, but not significantly change them.

I don't see much point in having a photo of me that isn't a photo of me.

[SherriePall]

I don't need no stinkin' face app. LOL!
Actually, a couple of pounds of foundation may help.

[Glenda2]

I thought I?d do a google search on FaceApp to see what came up. One item that popped up was (FaceApp scandal)!

It seems the FBI have been concerned about what information might be used for as it?s a Russian app. :brolleyes:

Think I?ll pass on this one. :thumbsdn:

Glenda

[Aunt Kelly]

This topic (FaceApp) comes up once or twice a year, it seems. Being my pedantic self, I'd say that no, it's not "cross dressing". It's making your picture look more feminine. As long as you're not using it to maliciously deceive anyone, it's good,
harmless fun.

[Di]

The question is
Is FaceApp crossdressing ?
We are not discussing avators
Keep it on subject and no fighting
No BACK AND FORTH
One comment only / edit it if needed to add.
I am Trying to keep this thread open so we can see both sides .
Every time we have a FaceApp thread it causes fights and disagreements and gets deleted



I personally think it isnt crossdressing and I came to that personal opinion from those who used to post pics and pretend it was them . ( from a 80 yr old to a 20 yr old- taking it to the extreme.You can learn makeup, shading ect skills . That would be more rewarding in my opinion.


So we had to make this rule



Anyone using FaceApp must mention its use when posting a Picture where it was used.

We do not want to have to ban its use completely.

As a result it should only be used to enhance features not completely change your face..



Again
Please lets have a discussion without fighting as every face app post before had to be deleted for the fighting in it.
Give your opinion and no back and forth.
You can edit your post if you want to add more.
Why this is such a trigger topic ?..I just do not know but trying to nip it in the bud straight out the gate .
Again give your opinion once and no back and forth.

[DanielleDubois]

I've had some fun with FaceApp and other beauty apps which alter your facial features but I would never use it to deceive people to think that is what I look like in real life. And no I don't think it is the same as using makeup. Making our faces look more feminine with cosmetics is an artistic skill. You can go out in public with makeup on but you can't go out with FaceApp on.:)

I am always surprised when I look at photos of crossdressers and GGs on Flickr and it is obvious they have used FaceApp on every one of their photos yet they have no hesitation in accepting all the " you are so beautiful" compliments. Who are they fooling and what kind of satisfaction do they get out of the deception?

[kimdl93]

I think its OK to use Face-App for entertainment purposes, so long as one labels the results. I am a Luddite, and so avoid all the new-fangled gizmos, including apps. Beside, I really want to have a realistic sense of how I look to others when I go out.

[Violetgray]

I think the simplest answer is no, because crossdressing is a something that happens on a human body.

I think using faceapp is kind of like demonstrating your cooking skills by taking someone to a restaurant.

That having been said, I really like Faceapp because it allows me to fantasize about what could've been. I'll never post a faceapp picture online though.

It also makes me kind of wistful because if only....

[AmyJordan]

Totally agree with DanielleDubois I have posted totally genuine pictures in the hope that I receive totally genuine feedback on if I am doing a good job on looking fem for my wife or for tips on how to improve, it's great to receive positive feedback and boosts your confidence but if not urges me to try harder. Mind you if any of my pictures are that bad rest assured that my wife would have already said ""what the hell do you look like"

[Adelina]

I love playing around with filters and some of the apps that do hair and makeup. They look beautiful and give ideas for things I can try for real.

[Genifer Teal]

When there's too many fakes they lessen the value of the real thing. It's getting to the point where nobody believes anything is real anymore. I take pride in my look but when someone sees my picture many just assume it's an app.

[MsEva]

I don't need no stinkin' face app. LOL!
Actually, a couple of pounds of foundation may help.

I have never tried it. Looks interesting, but unlike Sherrie, I do not use any foundation any more. Just lipstick. That is the benefit of growing old and only having white facial hair. I start with a close shave, apply makeup and I look like a proper haus frau.

[LydiaL]

I opine that using FaceApp for significantly modifying self-photos to be posted online is not crossdressing.

I admit to using photo software to disguise an occasional blemish. But that could be remedied by using the right cosmetics and repeating the photo(s).

[BrendaPDX]

I have tried it, and it is impressive, however it seemed to give an almost plastic texture, but that was years ago, it's probably better now. I used it to correct some lighting and remove some beard stubble (didn't shave close enough LOL). I see both sides of this discussion and oddly both sides have a point.

[Simple pleasures]

I think as long as people are open and honest that they are using the app when presenting on-line it?s not a problem.

[JayneBray]

I've used it and on occasion still do. If you accept it for what it is, I think it's just a fun distraction. But, I can see how it would create problems for some people. If you allow it to give you a false sense of who you are or want to be, plus takes up too much of your day, I can't see how it's a healthy thing.

[Karmen]

I gave up hopes to look like a woman a long time ago. I simply have too much manly figure and face. I use make up just to hide my male identity when going outside. Anyone can see me as a man in a dress, it's just important that people who know me, don't recognise me right away from far away and if I'm lucky, not even when passing by me.

If I would decide to post pictures online, I would use face-app to hide my identity, since I'm still in the closet. Do you know, can a face app successfully reverse the photo too? If someone decides to download my "female photo" from the internet and reverse the face to look as male me? Would people who know me in person recognise me or app is not that good and reverse engineering doesn't work?

[sugababe]

Instead of using FaceApp try
Virtual Facial Feminization (virtual FFS) software that I posted here some time ago.
You can simulate chemical skin peel resurfacing and blemish remover,Laser skin resurfacing,jaw and chin contouring,brow boss shaving, hairline modification, cheekbones augmentation,face lift and much more ect.

These things are what you would look like with FFS.

You can also try CatFish makeup Techniques!
I love FaceApp and Instagram and Snapchat filters.