CD and Autosexuality

[NonbiNancy]

I had a surprising experience while looking at photos of myself (Nancy) all dolled up... I became aroused. I wondered what was going on so I did a little research, online and here on the forum and discovered autosexuality. For those that don't know what it is, here's a description:

"Autosexuality means people are more attracted to themselves than to others and may prefer masturbation to sex with a partner. It doesn?t mean that someone who is autosexual will never have sexual relationships with other people. It simply means people who are autosexual feel more sexually aroused by themselves rather than by others. Autosexuality has not been widely studied. While some people identify as autosexual, every person has autosexual tendencies. Like other sexual orientations, autosexuality can exist on a continuum. Some may have sexual desire for themselves, enjoy self-stimulation, have sexual dreams about themselves, and fantasize about themselves to the exclusion of other relationships. Others may have these qualities but can also be romantically and sexually involved with one or more partners."

For me, as my near lifelong CD recently came to the forefront (last year), I remember the realization that I (Nancy) was what I had been searching for in relationship, my own feminine nature. I now feel more content with my wonderful friends and family, and have been able to keep sex as something I simply enjoy (more than ever) alone.

I'm curious if others find themselves in a similar sexual relationship with themselves. Something else the article said I thought was important, "Autosexuality can be confusing to outsiders, especially because it isn?t well-researched yet. Some do not consider it a credible sexual orientation and may mock it as narcissism, something unnatural, or even a mental illness. However, sexuality is nuanced, and everyone should be able to explore their own desires in the way that feels right to them." AMEN!!

https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-autosexual

[Diane P]

Very interesting Nancy. I have to agree that the first time I looked at pictures that I had taken of myself, this was before shaving the beard and getting makeup done, I was aroused. Now looking at myself, in the pics from the Mar GNO in OKC, I can definitely say that I can be aroused.

[Claire M]

There is another condition called autogynephilia, which is defined as a male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. It is the paraphilia that is theorized by a sexologist named Blanchard to underlie transvestism and some forms of male-to-female (MtF) transsexualism.

All that being said, I sometimes find it a bit arousing to watch myself change from male to female appearance as I apply makeup and dress. I guess I make a fairly attractive woman ... at least to my male self!

[EmilyShy]

I'm not sure if a female version of me arouses me or the whole process. Things like lingerie, stockings, skirts and dresses with make up, heels etc arouses me. Me wearing them adds to the whole excitement. So it's very hard to pick out which one is the trigger, is it the picture of me or the memory of the time I was wearing them.

[Kris Burton]

Most of us are heterosexual men, and as such are pretty much hardwired to be attracted to the female form. I think most of us strive to present as attractive an image as we can, both to ourselves and others. Add the sensual qualities that EmilyShy mentions with the propensity of many of us to fantasize, is it any wonder arousal occurs?

As for me, I refuse to get too wrapped up in the psychological aspects of this; I simply enjoy the feeling.

[kimdl93]

I cannot say that I have ever found myself arrousing. I am pleased when I think the image in the mirror looks satisfactory, since my objective, always, is to look as convincingly feminine as possible.

[CharlotteCD]

There is another thread on here, with a lot of responses - I'm on mobile so can't go looking, but I think you'll find it interesting.

[GretchenM]

Interesting, Nancy. The definition you provide is very similar to the tongue twister Autogynephilia. Blanchard came up with this as a more technical explanation for gender variance. It really didn't fly as a standalone explanation but the phenomenon definitely exists as a specialized form that some people exhibit in one form or other. However, it does not fit as a general explanation. The whole thing of the region where sex and gender overlap is really complex behaviorly. The two are definitely intertwined in some ways even though autogynephilia has largely been discounted as a major factor in general.

There was a period between about the year 2000 and somewhere around 2015 where gender and sex were thought to be completely independent, but that has also been successfully attacked as not being a general explanation for gender variance. Now, the thinking is that sex and gender do have links even though in general the linkage is weak or nonexistent in some gender variant people.

Personally, I seriously doubt there is a one size fits all explanation - the entire phenomenon is simply too complex and variable to have a well constrained explanation, that is, it is multi-causational along a multitude of different factors. Neurological findings strongly support this variability in cause. It is so very individualized.

[Cheryl T]

Viewing my reflection or even photos of myself sometimes makes me very happy, but it's never been a sexual response.

[Rhonda Jean]

Hmmm. Well... How I'd love to find a word or phrase that just hit the bullseye on what I am. One that as soon as I said it, everyone would know me so precisely without any further explanation. Not a little more here and a little less there and something else borrowed from someplace else, but not really any of those things at all. I used to think I was pretty hot shit! Does that count? (Oh, come on. Who of us hasn't thought that same thing?) Aroused? Not to slice things too thinly, but I guess it depends on what counts as arousal. Physical arousal (trying to think of a way to church this up!), I don't think so, but I've forgotten more about this journey than I remember. I'll make that a maybe. Maybe a probably. I'm not hard up enough to be "aroused" by what I see in the mirror these days.

I'll give you this. There's something sexual about it. That's something that we seem to shy away from, by and large. It's as if admitting that there's a sexual component to it makes it less pure or something. For me at least, although it's probably not sexual in the traditional sense, there's something that puts me in hyperdrive to do it. It defies logic. I don't run away from the sexual aspect of it. For most of my life I might have. I'll bet that somewhere in my history on this board I've said "It's not sexual for me". I'm sure I've also said I'm 100% straight. At the time I thought I was telling the truth. Maybe at the time it WAS the truth.

I've given up on finding that bullseye term. I probably fit into a lot of classifications, and I don't run from any of them anymore. Auto-whatever, gay, bi, trans, cd... throw in a few derogatory terms for good measure, I fit all of them to one extent or another, and next week the mix might change. It took me a long time and a lot of life experience to get this point and to get over some of my traditional (sort of) southern cultural conditioning. If autosexual was it for me, I think that'd be pretty handy! Probably solve a lot of problems! Sounds like I'm kidding, but I'm actually not. I'm glad you had the nerve to post about it on here. A little more honesty about what drives us or turns us on is probably needed around here. Sometimes it seems like when the talk turns to sex, we all turn into Aunt Bee from the Andy Griffith show. I don't typically put mine out there, and I don't think I'm any more of a freak than anybody else. Some of us admit it, some of us don't.

[EmilyShy]

I agree with Rhonda, well at least for me if being honest. It is a sexual thing, I've always been open but never dabbled physically but this is an extension of my sexual self whatever that is

Unfortunately society has made me act the way it says I'm supposed to

[MarinaTwelve200]

That element was THERE decades ago when I started and it still remains with me to this day---- Indeed I end ALL of my dressing sessions with an autosexual "event". After which ALL desire to dress ceases, and I can't get the clothing and makeup OFF FAST enough. It seems as if all the dressing has lead up to the final event-- and THAT being done, the desire is entirely eliminated, at least for a week or so. I find it a VERY INTERESTING Psychological phenomenon, that may hold important clues to my own psyche and for others like me.

[MonicaPVD]

We sre truly obsessed with labeling and deconstructing everything, aren't we? So some of us may get turned on by who we see in the mirror. Ok. Some people get turned on by a song, a smell, a fried egg. Some of us have a hard time getting turned on by anything. What's the scientific term for "it's all good?"

[docrobbysherry]

Nancy, as others have explained, autogynephilia, (the attraction to yourself as a female), has been discussed here ever since I first arrived about 16 years ago. :straightface:

However, back then dressers who admitted to self sex at all, muchless inspired by your fem image, were NOT accepted. Those, like myself, who professed to experience or enjoy it, were soundly repremanded! Because everyone knew "real" T's didn't EVER do that. Only disgusting CD's and fetish "trannys" did!:thumbsdn:

If u research "autogynephilia" in "old threads" here I'm sure many will pop up! The really old ones could make an interesting read!:eek:

[Fiona_44]

I have always enjoyed looking at myself, both as a male and as a CD. I get more aroused by sex with a person although not by much, they are very close.

I agree with Rhonda that CD's often shy away the topic of sex. Some of my thoughts on why:

- I think most ladies fear that permitting a lot more sexual content and photos will turn this into a sort of porn site. And porn sites all turn into trash eventually. I think many gals came here to get away from that stuff.

- There are a lot of middle aged and mature CD's here. As the testosterone levels decrease, so does the interest in sex to a degree. What replaces it is more of a desire to talk about dresses, lingerie, shoes, makeup, going out en femme ...etc and less about sex.

So the sexual aspect is a smaller but still important of the complete picture. I recently purchased a light-rose color, knee-length, multi-layer, chiffon evening dress and when I put it on for the first time I became aroused. I looked and felt extremely sexy and was on an emotional high for the rest of the day. I am glad the sexual aspect is there because it adds just a little spice to what is an already thrilling way to dress and live.

Fiona

[alwayshave]

No, not me at all.

[NonbiNancy]

Ladies, one and all, I so appreciate your responses here and those that PM'd me. I do resonate with what many of you said and find it so interesting how diverse our feelings are. As Rhonda shared, I too find myself able to see myself in most labels, so I do my best to avoid them. I wouldn't label myself autosexual but it seems to simply be closest to how I currently feel, and I've worked and identify with many labels over the years: trans, poylamorous, pansexual, etc. I've read about autogynaphilia, and it sounds interesting but I have the extra dimension of realizing that, though it can add to the experience, I don't need to be in female form to experience the attraction. One thing I know is that everything changes, so if I met someone tomorrow and found them attractive I would simply be honest with them about my own gender identity and sexuality and then go from there. As Gretchen shared, this gender identity, gender presentation, sexuality spectrum(s) is complex. It certainly is a rich field for self exploration. Most importantly, at the end of the day, I just love being Nancy!

[SaraLin]

When I take (or look at) pictures of myself, I definitely don't get turned on. I'm too busy seeing all the things that are "wrong" with my look.

The camera and the mirror are not friends of mine.

[CDMargret]

I simply love looking at photo's of myself all dolled. I look hot...lol...to me. Makes me feel so good in my heart and soul. Snuggling in with my wife while wearing my favorite silkies enhances everything.

[Rhonda Jean]

I don't need to be in female form to experience the attraction.!

Interesting. Lowering the level from arousal to attraction, I'm trying to think if I relate. I'd say in strictly male mode, zero. From there it's when does doing something in male mode become female mode. Probably requires too much thinking. I've certainly done feminine things in male mode that were possibly more "satisfying" (if that's the right word) in male mode than in full fem. Loved rolling my hair, for instance, and particularly loved having my hair done in a salon and sitting under the dryer with a head full of big rollers. Can't do that anymore, but now I get my nails done almost always in male mode. Kind of the same thing with carrying a purse. That's a routine thing in fem mode, but I get a little extra juiced about it in male mode, which I do all the time.

So, strictly male, certainly not, but doing traditionally feminine things in male mode... maybe. I never thought of the attraction being to myself. I always thought of it as an attraction to whatever I was doing or wearing. There would be a whole list of feminine things I love doing in male mode, but there again, when does that become female mode.

[Ressie]

I've always been aroused at seeing myself in the mirror in female attire. But it can get boring sometimes 'cause I'm not all that!

[NonbiNancy]

Interesting. Lowering the level from arousal to attraction, I'm trying to think if I relate. I'd say in strictly male mode, zero. From there it's when does doing something in male mode become female mode. Probably requires too much thinking.


Thanks Rhonda for making me think about this. Great question,when does male mode become female? Thinking about the attraction (that may become arousal) even though I'm not in female mode, it is a more feminine feeling, (like carefully putting on lotion or washing our legs). My autosexual point is that I'm the only one present and the only one I'm thinking about or may be experiencing arousal about in that moment, just me. And not dressed as either gender at that moment, personally, it's a very nonbinary experience.

[lynn.crossdresser]

Hmmm. Well... How I'd love to find a word or phrase that just hit the bullseye on what I am. One that as soon as I said it, everyone would know me so precisely without any further explanation. Not a little more here and a little less there and something else borrowed from someplace else, but not really any of those things at all. I used to think I was pretty hot shit! Does that count? (Oh, come on. Who of us hasn't thought that same thing?) Aroused? Not to slice things too thinly, but I guess it depends on what counts as arousal. Physical arousal (trying to think of a way to church this up!), I don't think so, but I've forgotten more about this journey than I remember. I'll make that a maybe. Maybe a probably. I'm not hard up enough to be "aroused" by what I see in the mirror these days.

I'll give you this. There's something sexual about it. That's something that we seem to shy away from, by and large. It's as if admitting that there's a sexual component to it makes it less pure or something. For me at least, although it's probably not sexual in the traditional sense, there's something that puts me in hyperdrive to do it. It defies logic. I don't run away from the sexual aspect of it. For most of my life I might have. I'll bet that somewhere in my history on this board I've said "It's not sexual for me". I'm sure I've also said I'm 100% straight. At the time I thought I was telling the truth. Maybe at the time it WAS the truth.

I've given up on finding that bullseye term. I probably fit into a lot of classifications, and I don't run from any of them anymore. Auto-whatever, gay, bi, trans, cd... throw in a few derogatory terms for good measure, I fit all of them to one extent or another, and next week the mix might change. It took me a long time and a lot of life experience to get this point and to get over some of my traditional (sort of) southern cultural conditioning. If autosexual was it for me, I think that'd be pretty handy! Probably solve a lot of problems! Sounds like I'm kidding, but I'm actually not. I'm glad you had the nerve to post about it on here. A little more honesty about what drives us or turns us on is probably needed around here. Sometimes it seems like when the talk turns to sex, we all turn into Aunt Bee from the Andy Griffith show. I don't typically put mine out there, and I don't think I'm any more of a freak than anybody else. Some of us admit it, some of us don't.

I'm so with you Ronda on this, thanks.

[DianeT]

I find looking at some of my CD pictures or videos arousing, yes, not phenomenal, but it's there. But it has nothing to do with me being excited by what I see, it's just that I revive the experience to some extent, and my CD experience has a sexual (better described as sensual) component, since my desire to dress is fueled by my heterosexuality and love for the female figure and look.

[BrendaPDX]

Nancy, Yes I do like some of my pictures, and after reading your post I looked at them again. Yes I do have favorites. This is probably the only place I could find a post like this, and in particular the responses. I always feel a little better about myself when I come here. Brenda

[Cheryl T]

Rethinking the question I have to say that ok, sometimes a pose or an outfit strikes me as particularly sexy or sensual and maybe I do get a touch stimulated.
Mostly though it's when I'm wearing something I find sexy, or I've been somewhere like a party that's made me feel that certain way that I've, shall we say, taken matters into my own hands, but in a womanly way.

[wendylovescd]

I get aroused looking at pictures of myself. When I think about it, I suppose I dress in the feminine way that I?m attracted to. Maybe it is that simple?

[NonbiNancy]

Nancy, Yes I do like some of my pictures, and after reading your post I looked at them again. Yes I do have favorites. This is probably the only place I could find a post like this, and in particular the responses. I always feel a little better about myself when I come here. Brenda

Brenda, I fully agree with you. I too feel better about being who I am after being on the forum. We're all here reading and understanding our similarities and differences, with some of us openly sharing who we are. BTW, the only thing I'm sure of is that I'm a work in progress.

And thank you again to everyone for your openness.

Nancy:love:

[Lacey New]

This one is way too deep for me. However, my journey into cross dressing started with a pair of nylon panties. Putting them on was such a sexual rush and it was addicting. Adding more lingerie to the mix was was more of the same drug. Now, the question is: Was I attracted to myself or was I attracted to the lingerie and later the full gamut old wearing skirts, blouses and dresses? I don?t know. I?ve never considered myself or my body shape as being sexy but as a young teenager ( many, many years ago) I sure did like looking at the pretty women wearing pretty panties, bras and slips in the JC Penney and Sears catalogs.

[Linda Stockings]

A very interesting thread. Some researchers in Evolutionary Biology have said that many people are attracted to other individuals who appear similar to each other. Many have said husband and wives often have similar appearances. It might make sense that if we are attracted to certain items of clothing (for whatever reason) we may be somewhat attracted (or at least enjoy seeing) ourselves in those items of clothing. I realize that's a rather dry way of looking at it. Does it make sense to anyone else?

Linda

[Teresa.Smith.VA]

I too have experienced a boost in sexual excitement when looking at pictures of myself as Teresa.

[NonbiNancy]

A very interesting thread. Some researchers in Evolutionary Biology have said that many people are attracted to other individuals who appear similar to each other. Many have said husband and wives often have similar appearances. It might make sense that if we are attracted to certain items of clothing (for whatever reason) we may be somewhat attracted (or at least enjoy seeing) ourselves in those items of clothing. I realize that's a rather dry way of looking at it. Does it make sense to anyone else?

Linda

Linda, it makes perfect sense to me. It even ties into what Lacey said about her (and my) childhood fantasies, looking at the women's underwear catalogs. Seeing ourselves in those items that we fantasized about is exciting. And that's the interesting thing, we become our own fantasy! It's no longer about some woman in a catalog or that we see on the street, it's that attractive woman in the mirror. As I wrote earlier, there's also the realization that we were seeking our own feminine nature all along. If we have a partner to share that with, that's wonderful, but if one is like me, happily single, we can be our own nonbinary, happy couple. :)

[Melindatv61]

I agree Nancy. A lot of similarities there for sure. I remember those catalogues too.

[crobeson96]

Researching autogynephilia I found the following link which I believe offers a quick read with some insight to the term:

https://www.rodfleming.com/autogynephilia-explained-ray-blanchard/

It is interesting that Dr. Blanchard began with studying a group of individuals who'd presented clinically to obtain gender reconstruction surgery. The insights were derived comparing these to men who'd found an interest in crossdressing in late middle age. The differences in the two groups described in the article were profound and meaningful to me personally.

[Stephanie47]

Ok, I've hit the 3/4 century mark and I still don't know why I do, what I do. And, I've stopped trying to figure it out. Marina made a comment (#12) that probably has afflicted every cross dresser. From what I have read, no matter what the age a man may be, there is a healthy percentage that engages in self pleasure. Does it make a different if the self pleasure is aided by a Playboy magazine or being en femme? I think the wiping away with disgust is nothing more than a lack of reconciliation of who a person may be with reference to the societal norm. I know I went through the period of disgust or self loathing. Without reading the article, maybe for some the self loving has to do with the feeling one may be inadequate to have a relationship with another and the fall back to become preoccupied with self?

[ellbee]

I started CD'ing at a pretty young age, well before puberty.

Of course, when that hit, naturally all bets were off. :o


As I've grown older, that has dissipated quite a bit, for various reasons.


Of course, sometimes when I get all dolled-up? Or at least as long as enough key ingredients are present (wig, eye make-up, etc.)?

Welp, my guy-self is hetero, and my female-self is bi, so, you know... :devil:


I see nothing wrong with it -- as long as it's done for positive/healthy reasons, and kept in moderation. :battingeyelashes: :thumbsup:

[Joanne108]

Welcome to the club! I think we are all initially autosexual

[Monique65]

After many years in a sexless marriage, I am striving to become my own woman.

[Bridget Ann Gilbert]

Like others here, wearing lingerie has been arousing since I was a teen. But that seems more a fetish to me since I don?t have to see myself to get the effect. What I found interesting was when I started going full femme I became rather asexual. I wasn?t particularly affected by anyone?s attractiveness, let alone my own. So while autogynophillia is often implicated as a cause or reinforcing agent for CDs, it doesn?t appear to work that way for me. Being Bridget just brings a sense of calm and completion. I only bring this up to demonstrate that there really is a spectrum of reactions within ourselves to what we do and enjoy, and it?s that diversity of experiences we should respect and celebrate.

[MonicaPVD]

So while autogynophillia is often implicated as a cause or reinforcing agent for CDs, it doesn?t appear to work that way for me.

Autogyrotechnicolor is a crock. Its quintessential mansplaining and, more importantly, the theory ia based on circumstantial and anecdotal accounts collected by one man.

[NonbiNancy]

I only bring this up to demonstrate that there really is a spectrum of reactions within ourselves to what we do and enjoy, and it?s that diversity of experiences we should respect and celebrate.

I'm still appreciating everyone's views on this. Bridget Ann, I couldn't agree more. And, Monique, that's sounds like the feeling I had, "This female part of me is what's been missing all along."

[Diana black]

I abmit i have felt aroused when looking at pictures of myself dressed up but never when I'm dressed up it's more when my guyself is looking at then and I am thinking about being dressed up.

[Rochelle76]

I do get aroused when dressed, but it's the female form of the women that I would like to be with that I believe is what arouses me. Although this arousal has subsided over the years, perhaps simply due to age.

[BaliGirl]

but as a young teenager ( many, many years ago) I sure did like looking at the pretty women wearing pretty panties, bras and slips in the JC Penney and Sears catalogs.

I share your experience. I too loved looking at the lingerie ads in the JC Penney and Sears catalogs when I was growing up. Maybe that wired my brain so that I got a sexual rush from putting on a bra. And it was very addicting - it overcame the shame and guilt I felt from crossdressing.

I wonder what made me different from other boys who also looked at pictures of women in lingerie but didn't end up crossdressing. Did they never try on a bra or panties? Or maybe they did, but didn't get "hooked"?

[JulieC]

BaliGirl; I recall reading one time that about half of all adult men have crossdressed at least once. Usually it has nothing to do with wanting to crossdress because you want to crossdress, but other reasons.

[Rhonda Jean]

This may have more to do with some kind of sexuality other than auto, but am I the only one who was never turned on by the Playboy (and similar) images? Don't get me wrong, I thought they were beautiful and sexy, but for some reason they just didn't do it for me to the level that they did other boys/men. For years (decades) I figured it was just that I wasn't into porn, which I thought was probably a good thing. Now I'm pretty sure it meant something else.

[NonbiNancy]

I share your experience. I too loved looking at the lingerie ads in the JC Penney and Sears catalogs when I was growing up. Maybe that wired my brain so that I got a sexual rush from putting on a bra. And it was very addicting - it overcame the shame and guilt I felt from crossdressing.

I wonder what made me different from other boys who also looked at pictures of women in lingerie but didn't end up crossdressing. Did they never try on a bra or panties? Or maybe they did, but didn't get "hooked"?

BaliGirl, it was addicting for me as well. I have no idea if that's what led me to putting on my mom's clothes, but I imagine it helped. It's funny now, I really don't remember feeling shame or guilt. It was more about fear of getting caught or my mom finding my stash (which she did).

Rhonda, when I was young I was fully taken by those images but that slowly dissipated. Looking back, I do think it was the lingerie as much as the female form. The "autosexual" part now is feeling fulfilled by being myself (ourselves), not needing a partner (or porn of any kind) to feel completely satisfied.

[ColleenA]

This may have more to do with some kind of sexuality other than auto, but am I the only one who was never turned on by the Playboy (and similar) images? Don't get me wrong, I thought they were beautiful and sexy, but for some reason they just didn't do it for me to the level that they did other boys/men. For years (decades) I figured it was just that I wasn't into porn, which I thought was probably a good thing. Now I'm pretty sure it meant something else.

No, Rhonda Jean, you are not the only one. I was never into photographic presentations of sex, especially when there was no lingerie. (One time I found a copy of Playboy in the middle of the street. I took it home, but I literally read a few articles and that was it.)

I recently learned a term for yet another variant of sexuality: demisexual. From a Googled website, "People who identify as demisexual only feel sexual attraction to someone after they've formed a strong emotional bond with them. Compared to the general population, most people who are demisexual rarely feel sexual attraction."

This seems to fit me quite well, although the term I have always used is I'm a "romantic." Throughout my life, I have (and still do) frequently gotten a crush on someone, but it rarely moves into thoughts of plain sex. And I almost never have any sexual dreams (at least that I am aware of when I wake up). I can only recall a few in my whole life - and one was with Cher, who I have never been particularly attracted to (lol).

Among the few things that do arouse me/turn me on are the sensual feel from wearing women's clothes, primarily lingerie, and erotica, specifically TG and CD erotica. But porn - nah.

[Lacey New]

All very complicated and lots of theories but no real answers. But the best that I can say is that a pair of panties was always ready when I was. Never had to take them to dinner, buy roses or make sure that I was saying all the right things. Perhaps not nearly as rewarding as a relationship but certainly as a teenage boy and later they provided welcome fun.

[NonbiNancy]

Lacey, your comment made me smile, "Never had to take them to dinner..." That's my experience as well, no complications, just all the things I enjoy.

Colleen, Demisexual is a good description of most of my life. Things do get complicated when we're on the trans spectrum and want to be open with our partner, so I think that's when sex becomes more of a personal experience.

[Katherine L.]

The simple answer is yes, I have become aroused looking at pictures of myself dressed.

[Jodiee927]

I really enjoyed and can relate to your response Emily! I started dressing in panties and as I started wearing lingerie, skirts, stockings, it was a whole new sensation I had never felt. I used to browse things online for hours thinking of how I might look in them.

I recently stumbled upon some old pictures of myself in lingerie that brought me back. It's been years since I've worn any, but ad they say, the pink fog never leaves ones mind. Thanks for the reply and allowing me to relate.

[darla_g]

i guess the honest response here is if you dress up and don't actually like what you look like when done then i would say why would you bother? That is very much a sliding scale