Men's clothes are boring!

[jacques]

hello all,
have you ever been excited or even interested in men's clothes?
I don't think I ever have - apart from replica football shirts or tee shirts that have pictures of my favourite musicians. That's probably why I prefer women's clothing!
Happy New Year!
luv J

[alwayshave]

Jacques, It's not like I could disagree with you. I hate men's clothes.

[DianeT]

I think there is lot to like in men's fashion. You have a great number of elegant fabrics and cuts to chose from, and it's easy nowadays to find bright colors for a change. Male presentation can be very elegant and if you think it is boring, well GGs don't. As I mentioned in another thread, I like to dress for my wife for an occasion, and she really appreciates it and says so. And returns the favour for my greatest pleasure.
And the pleasure I get from being well groomed and dressed isn't very different from the one I get from doing the same in female presentation, even if the female side has additional emotional vibes to it.

[Jillcder]

Nope guy clothes are just plain boring but my skirts, blouses, dresses, heels and lingerie are very exciting.

[bridget thronton]

Men's formal wear and suits are OK - but there are very few places to wear them any more (it is rare to see male faculty members wearing ties much less a sport coat). Shopping for dresses in colorful prints is much more interesting than shopping for business casual crap.

[Keremy]

I like both men and women?s clothes but I never had to slow down my shopping and spending while buying men?s clothing like I have to with women?s clothing. So you can tell that I much prefer women?s clothing!

[Christie ann]

Amen sister. Would you like your plaid in black or dark blue?

[Stephanie47]

If the conversation is about outerwear and not undergarments look around when you're out. Most of the time when my wife and I are out together it is jeans for both of us and usually some sort of graphic tee shirt. Footwear is about the same. The big differences in attire may be dresses vs casual male attire. As I have stated many times the sole white dress shirt I owned had yellowed on its hanger because I never wore it. In my professional career I wore colored dress shirts; covering pastels in spring and summer to darker colors in the fall and winter. I do not own a solid red tie which always seems to the the required dress code for those who believe a red tie translates to an air of power. Mistaken they are. My ties range from patterns to cartoon characters. When the dress code for women in my professional office was ditched the women gravitated to jeans and maybe a patterned top. A floral pattern may not fall into a male mindset with the exception of Hawaiian shirts.

My mindset swings both ways. Yes, I love wearing dresses as well as male clothes that are patterned and colorful. It depends upon how my mind works when getting out of bed.

[Angela Marie]

Mens clothes are ok but nothing compares to a great pair of leggings and a nice top.

[NancySue]

For me, there?s absolutely no comparison. T shirts vs tops, pants vs slacks, then the whole world of lingerie. Ugh!

[JohnH]

I agree with men's clothes being so boring. The ONLY formal wear for men is the coat and tie, and trousers outfit. And I feel I would stand out a lot more wearing such attire to go shopping and doctor appointments compared to dresses.
I will wear a man's coat and tie occasionally to church, but most of the time I wear dresses, makeup, and heels to church.

John

[DianeT]

Nope guy clothes are just plain boring
A compelling argument!

[Samantha51]

Men's clothes can be interesting. I've recently bought a nice summer jacket which when paired with a colourful cravat and my bronze coloured hat I really look quite dashing. My wife likes it. I feel powerful dressing up. I am learning to care less what other people think, dressing in their crap t-shirts and scruffy jeans. I thank my wife's encouragement and fighting my fear with CD for that! If we're too anxious to wear dapper men's clothes then how are we going to get the courage to wear women's clothes in public?

Of course there are many, many more options on the female side of the aisle. And I love them. Absolutely no comparison there. We just don't need to drop to the lowest common denominator in male mode!

[kimdl93]

I never had much interest in menswear. It?s just stuff I have to put on in certain situations.

[Dutchess]

I think ( no I know ) Karl Lagerfeld, Prince, Elton John , Gianni Versace , DIOR !!!! ( my favorite ), Tom Ford , Ralph Lauren ,, beautiful Adrian the costume designer ... have/ had some of the most beautiful clothing I have ever seen so I of course I don't get this . I really dont understand why ( well I do but I digress) some of you all that are restricted somewhat don't dress a little flamboyantly when in menswear .. its certainly possible . Look at the young NFLers walking into the stadiums on Sundays , Mondays and Thursdays .. They are not boring at all .. vivid colors and patterns and fabrics , alot of alternate high fashion ...

If you are stuck in black/navy/grey pants and a shirt , then that's on you because there is a whole world of color and fashion out there in menswear .
I know that's not what you want to hear but still ...its certainly available if you look . You wont find it at Walmart or Kohls but most of you here can easily afford the upscale things..

No , its not mini skirts and corsets but they are even carrying purses this year ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ7PaOLl49w&ab_channel=ChristianDior

[DianeT]

Nice video Dutchess. These creators are paving the way. Of course we won't be seeing these creations in the shops around the corner, but they will influence the more common collections we will find there in the coming years.

[Jane G]

At least we can all wear T shirts. I have several that I like wearing. Rodolf is pearing up at the ceiling as I lie here typing. It's still Christmas in this house.

[Heather76]

I have no particular interest in men's clothing and let/ask my wife to get whatever I need when I need something. I couldn't care less about shopping for shirts and slacks. I cannot get enough of shopping for dresses, tops, skirts, bras, panties, and all things feminine.

[Sometimes Steffi]

I was (in full male mode) walking by a Lululemon's, and having heard so much about it, I just had to go in and see what the fuss was all about. I was approached by an SA almost as soon as I walked in. She asked if she could help me. I said, "I'm looking for yoga pants." She took me to the men's yoga pants and they had only 3 colors: black, navy and grey. I said, "I was looking for more color choices." She said, "Would consider women's yoga pants?" Of course.

She took me back to the women's section where there was all kinds of colored yoga pants. I picked out one that I liked and saw that the price was north of $100. I usually get perfectly adequate women's yoga pants at a discount store or the sale rack of a full price store for $15 to $20. I left without $100 yoga pants.

[Debs]

when I have to wear male clothes I generally put on my jogging pants and a thick sweat shirt fleece, my wife says put your jeans on and a nice shirt, my reply is i'm only nipping to the shops, her reply is "When you go out dressed you are always dressed amazing, your dont wear your pink jogging pants you wear around the house". What can I say ?, she's right, I wouldnt even dream of going out dressed in my girlie scruffs !!!. The point is I have no interest in male clothing, in fact Thats about all I own thats decent one pair of jeans and maybe two nice shirts, all my underwear is female but have my own girlie room with a wardrobe full of dresses and skirts, tops and at least 30 pairs of shoes and boots, also have two sets of drawers full as well. She does have a point, lol

[Sabine7]

Yes, men's clothes are boring but practical. When only possible, I prefer to dress up as a woman because I love female clothes and being en femme makes me a woman who I desire to be. I buy female clothes for passion even those least practical.

[Debbie Denier]

Some mens and womens clothing are both boring . Some womens clothes are glamorous . No mens clothes are glamorous.

[char GG]

As Dutchess pointed out, it depends where you look for men's clothes and what is the occasion. Where I work (concert venue), I see men dressed in fantastic sequin jackets with matching sequin shoes. These are not movie stars, but they seem to find the most beautiful, flashy clothes. Women dress for the venue and in this case, so do the men.

Just as women are able dress up or dress down, the same goes for men. It's all preferences.

[Sabine7]

Hi Debbie, I don't agree with your statement saying: No men's clothes are glamourous!
For sure, it depends on individual preferences. I used to make fancies, however never made them real, about wearing men's clothes from XVII and XVIII centuries, which are ultimately glamourous, or military uniforms from different historical periods.

[CharlotteCD]

I don't think it's that mens clothes are boring, I think it's just that they lack variety.

Women have t-shirts, blouses, shirts. Jumpers, cardigans, shrugs, sweater dresses. Normal dresses. Full length, midi, mini. Skirts. Tights. Leggings. Trousers. Flared, skinny, mum jeans. Heels. Boots. Knee high and ankle. Etc etc.

The list of womens clothing items is so much longer than men.

Take a skirt vs shorts as an example. Men have shorts. Women have skirts of different cut and length.

[Cheryl T]

There were 2 times that I enjoyed dressing up.
The first was my fraternity induction dinner. I wore an incredible double breasted tux and felt like no other time.
The second was my wedding. Again a tux and feeling fabulous.

Since then the only times I have felt that good were when my support group held their Christmas parties. I was able to wear a beautiful red spaghetti strap gown to my first, with my hair all done up. I truly felt like Cinderella.
To the rest I wore lovely cocktail dresses, strappy sandals and each time felt like the belle of the ball. Now I just wish everyone knew so I could just be me and enjoy my fancy clothes at parties and weddings and such instead of having to go in costume.

[valerie anne]

As somebody who has to present as a "smart" male for various complex reasons (although often underdressed), there are some advantages to mens' stuff.

Firstly, things like suits, shirts & pants are generally of higher quality, and fit better.

Secondly, spares are available! I had a well fitting business suit which I wore out. Three years later I went back to the store and the same line was still on the shelf.

Try doing that with your favourite bra.

[Susan_Michaela]

I agree men?s clothing is very boring. As a matter of fact I?ve not one single piece of men?s clothing at all anymore. On January 1st I?ve been dressing as a woman out to everyone. I own one pair of bass shoes from high school days and 1 pair of Marlboro hiking boots in size 12 both. I keep them in event I?m working on autos or cutting grass. I assume it?d be kind of hard cutting yard in heels unless I want to aerite the yard. Even in later years with fabrics changing somewhat I still didn?t care for them. Besides I?ve live with all the ups & downs of living in the closet. I am lucky I suppose after one year have still not had any problems whatsoever with my coming out. I don?t wear too much makeup just mascara and lipstick mainly and only shaving I have to do is underarms and arms. But not everyone can do as I?ve done but 42 years is long enough to keep hiding and being miserable. I?m happy now and everyone has been great. Some on here I?ve seen their Leary about being dressed and being pulled over by police or in an accident while out. What I?ve noticed is the police in my area are sensitive to your how do I say. Ok I had my purse stolen in a gas station the first of February last year. When I called the police to take the report their first question when they arrived was excuse me Mam but what pronouns do you wish to go by. Same question when I had a small fender bender in a parking lot. They were professional did their job and couldn?t have been more polite to my needs to dress as I was. Nothing else was said. It?s a different world today and much more open minded than 42 years ago when I started dressing.

[MoniqueAsh743]

I think Charlotte summed it up correctly when she said variety is greater with womens attire. I have no issues with nice shirts and pants or shorts and I have a lot of male shoes but the variety of cuts/lengths and fabrics of most types of womens clothing means that there is so much more. Naturally for most of us on this forum we are drawn to the allure and excitement of womenswear

[CDMargret]

Yes men's selections in clothing suck. I am starting to give dress clothes a serious look. Slacks and fine dress shirts. So far nothing has peaked my interests.

[Jane G]

As Dutchess pointed out, it depends where you look for men's clothes and what is the occasion. Where I work (concert venue), I see men dressed in fantastic sequin jackets with matching sequin shoes. These are not movie stars, but they seem to find the most beautiful, flashy clothes. Women dress for the venue and in this case, so do the men.

Just as women are able dress up or dress down, the same goes for men. It's all preferences.

I enjoy dressing up for the theatre and concerts. We head for London a few times each year to take in a show. Dependent on the season I may dress like the Man from Delmote or Richard Gere, complete with silk scarf and shiny shoes. For sure I would love to dress like Julia Roberts, but I could never pull that one off in public, which would detract from the evening. So enjoy what you got, when you can. Even if that means dressing like a man.

[Renee_B]

I completely agree! No colors, no textures really, no fun sheer or lacy patterns! Snoozefest!

[OrdinaryAverageGuy]

If the question were revised to only talk about everyday clothes, stuff you'd go to the park in for example, you see men and women wearing much the same things. Jeans, shorts, t-shirts, tank tops. But really no dresses or neckties. But within the boundaries of "park wear" there are differences. Women wear pants at any length from covering her shoes to just over the butt cheeks. Her shirt can have any length sleeve from over her hands to spaghetti straps. Her pants can be baggy jeans or skin tight leggings. Men's clothes do not have those options. Short sleeves have to be so long, tanks have to be cut just right, shorts have to go at least to the knees, etc. Also, with a few exceptions my men's shirts feel like sandpaper compared to my women's shirts, why is there a rule that men can't wear comfy shirts?

Watching the Dior video that Dutchess put up, can't say I was a fan of the capri-length highwaters but I'd sure love shorts that are actually short come back into fashion!

[Bea_]

I think ( no I know ) Karl Lagerfeld, Prince, Elton John , Gianni Versace , DIOR !!!! ( my favorite ), Tom Ford , Ralph Lauren ,, beautiful Adrian the costume designer ... have/ had some of the most beautiful clothing I have ever seen so I of course I don't get this . I really dont understand why ( well I do but I digress) some of you all that are restricted somewhat don't dress a little flamboyantly when in menswear .. its certainly possible . Look at the young NFLers walking into the stadiums on Sundays , Mondays and Thursdays .. They are not boring at all .. vivid colors and patterns and fabrics , alot of alternate high fashion ...

If you are stuck in black/navy/grey pants and a shirt , then that's on you because there is a whole world of color and fashion out there in menswear .
I know that's not what you want to hear but still ...its certainly available if you look . You wont find it at Walmart or Kohls but most of you here can easily afford the upscale things..

No , its not mini skirts and corsets but they are even carrying purses this year ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ7PaOLl49w&ab_channel=ChristianDior

Thanks for sharing the video link. I thought the production of the fashion show was awesome and I love the creativity of all the fashions. But, my thinking is that almost all the styles that the models wore were as much a chick repellent as a miniskirt or corset. Obviously there are exceptions but in the world I live in the reaction to those particular fashions would be as well accepted as most of the items in my femme closet.

I love the creativity and the pushing of the envelope that a fashion show like this one exhibits, but there's virtually nothing from the show that would be something I'd wear. I hate the wide leg pants for myself because they'd make me look dumpier than i already look and never really liked that look on anyone, male or female. That would be to me what leggings seem to be for you.

ADDED NOTE: This morning I got up and covered my sports bra and panties with a pair of yoga pants and a simple long sleeve woman's t. I've got my shoulder-blade length gray hair pulled back in a bun and my racer back sports bra shows at the neck and the aqua color matches my hair tie. My style has been described as freestyle more than crossdressing here on the forum because I wear a beard and don't feel the least bit feminine for my clothing choices. I actually feel more masculine for asserting my own taste.

The world were "stuck in" is mostly determined by the acceptance/rejection of our significant others.

Oh yeah, one more thing. I do hope purses become more mainstream for men.

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Watching the Dior video that Dutchess put up, can't say I was a fan of the capri-length highwaters but I'd sure love shorts that are actually short come back into fashion!

Ditto about the capris and ditto about the shorts.

[Cheryl T]

Everyone is picking on colors for men's suits.
It's not really true. There are lots of colors, patterns and styles. It's just that they are MEN'S clothes and that's not what we love.
Give me a cute dress, or blouse and skirt anyday.

[April Rose]

I agree with Cheryl. What I like about women's clothes is that they are women's. I dress in men's clothes when I have to for practical purposes. I dress in women's clothes to express myself.

Even in that context, I'm not really a flamboyant person by nature. The irony of that is not lost on me.

[Dutchess]

Everyone is picking on colors for men's suits.
It's not really true. There are lots of colors, patterns and styles. It's just that they are MEN'S clothes and that's not what we love.
Give me a cute dress, or blouse and skirt anyday.


That ^^^^ I knew when I posted that link no one would like them lol .. and that above is why ..I was just suggesting that for times that you could not dress .

@Bea as you know I live in West Hollywood and I see any and everything here ... I airlifted myself away from Texas decades ago because I couldn't stand the oppression that I faced being different .. and that included my style of clothing also so I get it . Out here those styles do not drive women away .. We see alot of very high fashion out here just like that and that usually denotes pretty , well educated , creative , upscale men .. but no its not girls clothes .

[Rhonda Jean]

I watch all the menswear runway shows. I never see anybody wearing it. It's no just because I'm stuck in the redneck south. I actually get out of here fairly often and you'd think I'd see at least some "high fashion" in the airports, if nowhere else. I watch them hoping to see what's coming. Every year at least a couple of designers, sometimes most of them, will show men in skirts and dresses, usually in beautiful fabrics. Sometimes (2024) the heels are a little higher, the necklines a little lower, some of the models will be wearing makeup or nail polish... You know, all of the things we like. Sometimes beautiful and unabashedly feminine things. For several years almost all of them have been carrying purses. Frankly, though, some of them themed, and so far out there that nobody will ever wear them. I don't get the point of it. And if you wanted to dress that way, I don't even know where you'd buy it. I've been to a number of department stores that carry things I can't afford, and even there I don't see a menswear department that has this stuff. The few guys I see wearing stuff that resembles it (I'm talking about guys wearing this stuff as guys) bought it in them women's department (presumably).

I think it's amusing when guys or their wives will choose/wear something from the men's side that is exactly like something from the women's side, but they'd recoil in horror at the thought of wearing the women's version. On the other hand, I find it completely understandable that I'd choose the exact same thing from the women's side ever single time!!

I bought a purse from the Coach Outlet online. If you look there under "men's" you'll see a lot of bags that are purses. I'm not sure they sell the exact bag under "women's" but I assume they do. I don't know because... (drumroll please)... I wouldn't buy one that came from the "men's" category!

Another comment or two about the fashion runways. They've been beating the drum for men carrying purses for a LONG time. If they have any mainstream influence, guys carrying purses should surely be commonplace very soon. I'll probably quit carrying one when that happens!

BTW Dutchess, if we're naming favorite designers, I think Phillipe Blond is H-O-T!! I'd post a link, but it'd probably melt my monitor!

[DianeT]

But, my thinking is that almost all the styles that the models wore were as much a chick repellent as a miniskirt or corset.
This is projecting your own view of it onto GGs. My chick (aka wifey) also loved a lot of things in this fashion show (except maybe sandals with socks). I think we shouldn't speak for GGs about what they think and love, if we really knew we would probably be in for some surprises.

[Bea_]

I would say that I?m definitely projecting my experience and observations. My wife, my daughter, my sister and various other women I know have verbally asserted being turned off by presentations like this. A gay family member wore flamboyant styles like this when he was younger but it wasn?t women whom he was trying to attract. I?m not condemning and actually admired his style.

I can?t help but think if women, in general, we?re attracted to these styles, they?d be knocked off and you?d be buying them at target and Walmart and Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt would be wearing them in movies. Just one man?s opinion.

[April Rose]

Rhonda, I didn't know about Phillipe Blond until your post. I think I'm a fan already. I didn't care for the Dior fashions; they looked adolescent. Nothing a person my age would wear. I do wear earrings in drab, and occasionally a little makeup, womens' slacks and sweaters, so I'm not completely conventional, but there's only so much a person my age can do with that.

[BLUE ORCHID]

I enjoy Wearing a nice 3piece suit & Tie for special occasions, I take pride in my appearance,

There is no doubt that I really Enjoy getting feminine dressed to the Nines,

>>>>>>>>>Orchid**O:daydreaming:O**

[DianeT]

I can?t help but think if women, in general, we?re attracted to these styles, they?d be knocked off and you?d be buying them at target and Walmart and Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt would be wearing them in movies. Just one man?s opinion.
Your remark makes sense, and yet I don't think that is necessarily true. Historically society has been tailored to men's tastes, not women's, since women were conditioned to be the object of desire, not men. And this hasn't changed much nowadays. For example, female gamers abound, but the gaming industry and its iconography is still targeting young males primarily with heroines with oversized asses and breasts, and just like in the movies, who's wearing the costumes in half naked mode? Who's fighting in a bikini and shorts when men are in full armor and long army pants? Who's posing, showing their derriere, on Marvel movie posters while the other gender is in action, facing the viewer's eye? You get the idea. So knowing what women would really dig if they were given a chance to choose freely, that remains a mystery.
https://www.comicsbeat.com/gender-swap-avengers-poster-gives-us-lots-of-butt/

[Dutchess]

I am very sorry about this !!! If I had not been the one to post about Dior you all would have loved it !! .. I can hardly believe anyone would see Dior as adolescent .. but , some are just not sophisticated enough to really be able to enjoy things like that and thats ok .. Dior is legend and no mini skirt or dress from Macys could ever compare ..


BTW Brad does wear things like that on the red carpet .. I have seen him in real life a few times here, and I found a GQ that showed some of it as well

https://www.gq.com/story/brad-pitt-skirt-bullet-train-premiere

[Bea_]

I am very sorry about this !!! If I had not been the one to post about Dior you all would have loved it !!




I hate that you feel the need to apologize. I actually appreciated you sharing and I do think that it's admirable that your taste includes these things. I run across various men's designer fashions in my browsing and there are some that i like and some that i don't. In this particular show I appreciated the creativity and some of the looks, but overall the styles seem to precious for anything I'd ever feel a need to wear. Call that unsophisticated and I won't disagree. I love that short shorts were represented. I hated that shorter men's shorts left the scene in the 80s-90s.

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https://www.gq.com/story/brad-pitt-skirt-bullet-train-premiere

I have seen a few pics of Brad that showed his creativity. The skirt outfit in the link wasn't a favorite look. Too unstructured for my taste. I appreciate that he wore it but it's not something I'd wear. What I wish is that he'd portray a likable character that dressed like he does in real life. It seems like portrayals like that would open up the possibilities.



Billy Porter wore a tuxedo dress to the 2019 Oscars and I love it. I would have no where to wear something like that but I love that he represented as a man in a beautiful outfit like that.

https://www.refinery29.com/images/9018115.jpg?format=webp&width=340&height=408&quality=85


NOTE: I haven't really watched videos of the designer shows but your comment and the discussion had me curious, so I did a youtube search. Saint Lauent Summer 24 show was more my taste in designer things. At 7:37 in the length below is a style that caught my eye and isn't that different from styles I like from the women's department.
https://www.refinery29.com/images/9018115.jpg?format=webp&width=340&height=408&quality=85

[Snide_lobster]

Just by going to a thrift store, I think it's quite obvious which gender has it easier to spice up their wardrobe. That being said, while the volume of availability might be different, there definitely are plenty of ways to dress snazzy as a bloke without suit and tie, nicer shoes, patterned shirts, even some belts can help one's guy sense of fashion. Shame I don't have any real interest in that as I go to buy my umpteenth pair of heels.

[Bea_]

NOTE: I haven't really watched videos of the designer shows but your comment and the discussion had me curious, so I did a youtube search. Saint Lauent Summer 24 show was more my taste in designer things. At 7:37 in the length below is a style that caught my eye and isn't that different from styles I like from the women's department.
https://www.refinery29.com/images/9018115.jpg?format=webp&width=340&height=408&quality=85

I am sorry that I pasted the wrong link into my response. Here's the right one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FJripP8NbU

[Karren H]

I do not think that the boringness of mens clothing started me down this path or kept me on it. And does not mater how unboring you make them, I would never switch teams, again.

[HollyGreene]

I had some really stylish Italian shirts way back in the 80s, that I really enjoyed wearing.
Everything else is pretty dull though.

[Rhonda Jean]

It'd probably make for an interesting thread to post links to the menswear runway shows for comment. They're interesting at least, and would probably make for good discussion. I'm certainly unqualified to make any meaningful comment. I just know what I like and I try to find something in these shows that might make it into the mainstream. I'm definitely not the target demographic! As I've said before, if two identical things were available in the women's and men's section, I'd get the women's every time. That said:

In the Dior show that Dutchess posted, I like the softer drapey fabrics. The clashing colors, the patterns, and the mixing of patterns is not my thing. I love the short shorts! I'm glad they're all carrying purses, but as someone who carries a purse in male mode, carrying the small purses in one hand made them look like they really didn't want to be carrying a purse. Looked like they were carrying some takeout food. Kind of like a guy carries/holds a purse for his wife. I don't like small purses to begin with, and I think there's kind of a art to carrying a purse in a way that makes it look natural. It was a learned thing for me, although I realize that "learned thing" contradicts "natural". Learn how to look natural?!? I could name a few other things besides purses where that was the case.

The SL show that Bea posted... Hate the jackets with shoulder pads!! I thought the extreme scoop necklines were not a good look. Also, too much black. I like (sort of) that the models were wearing lipstick, but it was done in a "Is he wearing lipstick?" kind of way. It's like they had one tube of dusty pink lipstick for everybody to share. I like the heels, but here again, they were all the same and a height and blocky style that kind of said, "Look! I'm almost wearing high heels!" Almost a '70's men's platform heels look, but they've got a long way to go to catch up with the 70's! Mine came from the women's department because they didn't have men's in a small enough size for me, but they weren't substantially different from the men's. A little narrower heel and narrower toe than the men's. I never measured the heels, but from what I recall, 4" was common for everyday wear, and 6" wasn't unheard of. I hope the heels trend toward mainstream.

On some of the menswear shows the models wear obvious makeup and nail polish, which I like. I wish more would do that, but I think they don't want to distract from the clothes. They're selling clothes, not makeup and nail polish. There might be a show where the men aren't carrying purses, but for several years the overall them is purses. Despite that, men carrying purses is exceedingly rare. Goofy looking "manbags", yes. Purses, no.

That's my unqualified take on these menswear shows. I love watching them Even the ridiculous ones!

[CrossKimmy]

Totally agree! Men?s clothes? More like MEHns clothes. Soooooo boring!

[Traci H]

For the past few years, I have been shopping women?s short sleeve tops and wear them in winter under my men?s long sleeve tops. I get them at thrift shops for a couple bucks using the half price color of the day. Most are a rayon spandex mix, some Modal, but all nice and very soft. Nothing on my men?s side of the closet comes close. Like sandpaper as another poster mentioned. My mens are all crew neck, with some v necks. The women?s are boat neck, square neck, scrunched neck, and scoop neck of varying degrees. And the colors and patterns?.yumm sleeve lengths all over the place. Men?s stuck in a very limited design parameter.

And don?t get me started on men?s shorts. Really?, they hang below my knees? I hate these long shorts the industry is pushing on us.
Oh there are exceptions here and there, but very limited. I want to wear the stuff from the other side of the aisle. My wife does not want me too however. Damn!

[JohnH]

I never had much interest in menswear. It?s just stuff I have to put on in certain situations.

Yes, menswear have their uses such as climbing on a roof to replace shingles and to change the oil in a vehicle.

John

[Traci H]

Yes, menswear have their uses such as climbing on a roof to replace shingles and to change the oil in a vehicle.

John

Yes John, I wear women?s jeans exclusively now, except when I work on the car, etc. My std men?s jeans feel like thick, stiff burlap. Much prefer the lightweight stretch fabric of women?s jeans. And the thrift stores are packed with them. A little design on the back pockets doesn?t hurt either.

[Bea_]

Dutchess,

I didn't have a lot of time to look at individual looks from the Dior show before posting a response. I went back and watched again, looking for specific outfits that I like. I was put off by the shorter, wide-legged pants on all the suits but I did find that i loved the looks of the two outfits at the 6:22-6:30 mark on the video. And I liked the final suit with the studded cardigan (still not crazy about the pants).

Your comment sent me down a rabbit hole of various designers and there are a fair number of individual looks in the men's shows that could appeal, especially if I were six foot with at thirty inch waist. I watched the Giorgio Armani Spring 2024 men's and women's shows back to back. Both obviously showed some great styles, but the men's show was much more subdued while the women's show had much more variety and, in my opinion, many of the women's fashions could have been worn by the Dior models and could have easily been taken for men's designer styles. Just with much more variety. I love the fabrics and colors of the Armani woman's collection and would be much more drawn to those styles than the men's. And, I preferred the Armani women's styles to the men's Dior collection.

When comparing the Armani women's show to the Dior or the Saint Laurent shows, if you put many of the woman's pantsuits on the models from the men's shows, the style could pass as men's designer fashion. As a man who has no desire to look like a woman, but who is jealous of a woman's design choices, the Armani woman's show is where I'd look for the things I like.

Armani Men's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncyohWSbwnE
Armani woman's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX92maN_OeI

I hope you don't take all of this as argumentative. I think it's been an enlightening conversation since I'd never really looked at the designer shows. Always appreciate your input.

[sometimes_miss]

if you think it is boring, well GGs don't.

^this. Learn what women find attractive about how some men dress, and it will turn your life around. I used to be the same old, jeans and a T shirt and sneakers guy like all my friends, and wondered why I kept striking out with women. Upgraded my attire and it was like night and day, all of a sudden I was getting looks from women. And this was even when I was overweight; a terrific suit, nice shoes, a nice, classic car (I bought an old Porsche, but women have no idea that it's old, all they know is the word 'Porsche' and it ticks off some box in their mind of what they want a guy to have) and good grooming made all the difference. Image and appearance.

However, none of that matters when they find out I like to wear dresses.

[ReallyLauren]

I absolutely hate mens clothes! I love the variation in style, fabrics and textures and colors of women's clothes. I hate it when I'm wearing any article of men's clothes, even socks!