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Helen_Highwater
05-23-2024, 05:24 AM
So once again I?m doing what I do most years. Seeking your views on what I can do to help others wishing to go out perhaps for the first time or meet up with others from our community

For those perhaps relatively new to the forum, who don?t know, it?s been my practice to offer the chance to anyone who cares to join me the opportunity to meet up in perhaps one of, if not the most, LGBTQ friendly places in the UK, Manchester?s Gay Village. It?s certainly not confined to newbies, first timers. If you?re a regular outandabouter who wants to meet others from the forum then please come along. A gathering of like minds would be so wonderful.

It works like this. Usually Wednesday of the third week in November (I?ll explain why later) I offer to act as a mentor, a chaperone or just someone to go out and about with, to anyone who wants the chance.

In the past those who have never been out before have meet me in a friendly pub for a chat, a bite to eat and a few drinks to pass the evening away. Others I?ve met lunchtime and we?ve been off to the shops for the afternoon before going to the pub for the evening. For the last few years I?ve been joined by Debs for the day which adds another facet, another input into the proceedings and perhaps most importantly, adds a level of security.

My first question is; what if this was to be your first outing, what would be the things that would give you the confidence to come along? What is going to be, for you, that biggest hurdle? What are those little demons whispering in your ear saying to stop you talking that initial step into the wider world, filling you with dread?

Look I know family, work, distance, costs can all be barriers to attending something like this but should all the stars aligned, best case scenario, let?s assume this is something you?d be interested in. What can Debs and I do to make that step all the more easier?

Trust me, no-one bats an eyelid in the pubs. You?re in a friendly crowd. No baying mobs here. Worried about your presentation? I?ve seen all shapes and sizes and styles of dress over the years in others who frequent the area.

Second question; if instead of attending the Manchester?s gay Village I offered the chance to attend a support group meeting elsewhere and this is where the 3rd week of the month comes in. There?s a group meets on the 3rd Thursday of every month in Prestatyn, North Wales. They meet in a private room in a social club run by a Trans steward. No muggles, just others from our community. So, would that be of greater or lesser appeal as a first night out?

Wigs can be a big thing when it comes to presentation and there?s a salon in Manchester that I?ve used on two occasions and always been treated with the greatest of respect and friendliness. Plus they do wigs starting from ?50 if you?re on a budget. Debs and I went there last year, Debs needed to replace her wig and came away with the one you see in her avatar (looks great and took years off her!). So, if that?s something you?d like to do then we can add it to the day?s agenda.

Getting a foundation check, help with makeup in general? Easy-peasy. Makeup counter staff are our friends. Allow Debs and I to be your guide.

I also decided last year to expand my offer to cover the entire week so that, as I?m on Helen?s away time in the North Wales area, if anyone wants to meet up for a coffee and a chat, perhaps a bit of shopping then I?ll do what I can to facilitate that. Say a walk around Chester or retail therapy at Cheshire Oaks outlet park. A walk along the prom in Llandudno?

Now I?m going to repeat myself and offer this explanation from last year?s offering.

I do this because I want others to experience the feeling of liberation that sitting in a pub, enfemme, just chatting away brings. Four years ago I met up with Debs and Lexi. Lexi had never been out before and I met her in the lounge of her hotel at lunch time. Her first time enfemme in public. We had a quick drink, both because I?d driven for two hours to get there and to settle her nerves, and then made the short walk to meet up with Debs at her hotel. A car ride and an hour later Lexi was shopping with the best of them in the Trafford centre. Drifting in and out of shops, interacting with SA?s, paying for jewellery and makeup. That could be you or if you feel that?s a step too far for a first time then the pub it is. Later that evening, sat in the pub, Lexi commented that the three of us sitting there just chatting away felt the most natural thing in the world to be doing, such was the change that the day had brought.

So please, let me have your feelings. I know there?s a few new members from the UK joined this year so I?d be interested in hearing from you as to what your thoughts are on what might be your first steps out and what would, give you that Goldilocks moment were everything was just so and would entice you out to join us in the big wide world. Also, what is it that?s the big road block stops you even considering going out anywhere let alone an opportunity like this.

Share your roadblocks, your fears, what gives you anxiety? Look, I was once one of those itching to go out but full of fear. It took me a long time to progress being before I found this site and the support of so many.

It is hard to express the sense of freedom being out brings. I?d love to help others find that so please, give me your wish list, what ingredients need to be added to the mix to make it right for you. Help me help you.

kimdl93
05-23-2024, 05:30 AM
That is such a generous and kind offer, Helen.

Sandi Beech
05-23-2024, 05:58 AM
Agreed with Kim. It is a great offer for those considering going out but too fearful to make it happen. Hopefully you will get some takers.

Sandi

Genifer Teal
05-23-2024, 10:08 AM
I remember helping a friend come out to a very safe place in the city. A bunch of us girls would be there when she arrived. I told her to stop in front of the restaurant and I could get in the car and park with her so she didn't have to walk back to the restaurant on her own. Years later she mentioned how helpful that was to not have to walk down the busy street by herself for her first time out.

Suzie Petersen
05-23-2024, 10:29 AM
It is very good of you to continue to offer this Helen, and thanks to Debs too.

I cannot think of a better or safer way for someone new to get out on the town a bit, and Manchester is a perfect place for it.
I have been out in Manchester several times and always felt safe and had a good experience.

If I was a little closer, I would love to join you even though it would not exactly be my first time out.

Teresa.Smith.VA
05-23-2024, 12:32 PM
Helen_Highwater, you are approaching saint hood. Thank you for being so thoughtful and helpful to those who share the pleasure and initial fear of being a CD.

Fiona_44
05-23-2024, 02:34 PM
Such a nice gesture Helen!

docrobbysherry
05-23-2024, 08:28 PM
We have Thanksgiving on Nov. 28th. Does it fall on the 20th Across the Pond, Helen?:straightface:

Sometimes Steffi
05-23-2024, 09:18 PM
As I've mentioned many times here, I'm a member of a trans social group in the DC area. We often go out in a small group, maybe up to 40 local girls lately. We often have visitors from Richmond, Newport News, West Virginia and sometimes North Carolina in addition to the usual suspects from DC, Northern Virginia, Shenandoah, suburban Maryland, Frederick to Fredericksburg. We usually meet in a public place, but there's well enough of us to ensure safety. The next outing is a Pride event at the Bowie Baysox minor league baseball team.

Search for LGBT in Northern Virginia on meetup.com to find us.

Debs
05-24-2024, 06:43 AM
And I'd just like to confirm that I will also again be travelling to meet Helen again this year, so come on girls get your act together and come and join us, I usually stay at the Brittania Hotel at about ?100 for the night, parking is just around the corner and I usually pay about ?15 for the night, but if you live near Manchester and want to car share I will gladly pick you up and drop you back home the next day.

Additional info, Ive now booked my room for the 20th, should you just wish to come for the day, you can use my room to get changed or freshen up (Helen does it every year)

Helen_Highwater
05-25-2024, 06:44 AM
Thanks to all who so generously offered their support. While my goal is to help others it'd be remiss of me not to say that I too get something from it. Getting to meet others from our community, newbies or experienced, won't say old, hands at going out has added over the years to my memories and helped me grow in confidence and have greater self belief.

That helps make the circle, I know just what meeting others can offer, gain from it, and then want others to know the same as well.

Keeping an eye on the intro's section I've seen a good many UK based members join over the past year or so. Some have expressed a desire to go further, to venture out and if you're one of those reading this then trust me, you'll never find a better way to do it. Bite that bullet and PM me for the details. Share your fears here on this post. You'll help others overcome theirs.

The world isn't the bad place that it's easy to imagine it is. With the support and guidance Debs and I can provide you'll find it quite a welcoming one.

Sometimes Steffi
05-25-2024, 10:43 AM
OK, this is totally crazy, but ...

I just looked up Manchester on a map, in case I could fly (from DC, US) over to London, and then make my way to Manchester from there. It's 4 hours by car on the wrong side of the road (not going to happen), but under 3 hours by public transportation (high speed rail, I guess) and an hour by plane.

This could be an "aspirational" goal for November. A lot of logistics to work out. Maybe I could even meetup with some girls from London. Maybe they would want to "come with" to Manchester. A mini-Keystone Conference in England. We could call it the Stonehenge Conference

I've never flown en femme, but I have flown en homme (for business) with girls clothes packed and gone out en femme several times around the US. I could do this! Maybe.

Do you girls think I could do this? Is it even remotely possible?

Helen_Highwater
05-25-2024, 03:25 PM
Steffi,

That would be great. Are there any direct flights US to Manchester?

Sometimes Steffi
05-25-2024, 04:57 PM
Yes, actually. I'd be flying out of DC (IAD) airport (US). There are a lot of 1-stops from DC (IAD) to MAN with one intermediate stop in either Copenhagen, Reykjavik, Paris, Lisbon, Zurich, Frankfort, Munich, in addition to London, all around $600 R/T.

I assume that you would make it worth the trip.

Any other CD travelers interested?

Suzie Petersen
05-25-2024, 05:44 PM
Steffi,

Consider going via Iceland and do a stopover. Very interesting place!
Or go via Copenhagen and do a layover there.

In either case, let me know if you want some pointers on where to go and what to do.

Suzie

Sometimes Steffi
05-25-2024, 10:13 PM
I've traveled to total solar eclipses in the US in Greenville, SC in 2017 and in Cleveland OH in 2024. There's one in Greenland, Iceland and the Basque country in northern Spain in 2026 that I'm thinking about.

Helen_Highwater
05-28-2024, 06:21 AM
I assume that you would make it worth the trip.

Any other CD travelers interested?

Steffi,

More than happy to advise about visiting the UK. As for manchester I'm assuming you'd plan to arrive the previous day so as not to be too jet lagged. Debs and I meet up about midday'ish in the centre of Manchester and usually head of to do a bit of retail therapy in one of Manchester's shopping parks, grab coffee/a bite to eat before heading back to Deb's hotel to take the weight off our feet, grab a beer and then get changed for the evening. Then it's off to a pub just around the corner, sometimes there's a drag act on, other nights just a bit of background music. I usually grab a bit of pub grub and then a little later we head off to take in a couple of other pubs, one sometimes has a quiz night (Bumped into a gurl called Amanda White, find her on YouTube, lots of out and about vids) and usually end the evening in a quieter pub so if we're with a newbie we get the chance to have a quiet chat and do the "Well, how was it for you? Did you find it enjoyable, scary". "Left you wanting more" sort of thing.

I do my Cinderella impression and disappear around midnight as I've a 2 hr dive back to my holiday accommodation. Debs stays the night in Manchester and goes on to other venues to round out her night and picks up the next day if our newbie is ready for more.

It may be worth starting a thread asking if any UK gurls would like to meet up and chaperone you in other parts of the country. I would recommend spending time in Scotland if you can.