hope not to offend but am confused about some of the way people dress for photos!

[CharlaineCadence]

I have not seen any photos of this sort hear but other web sites i have been to esp. places like myspace and yahoo. Why do some transgendered peoples and crossdressers feel a need to pose photos of themself in very revealing clothing while in very sexual postures, something like bent over ready to be taken from behind and other such poses. I dont mean in a beautiful nightgown ot neglige (cant spell the word i want) I understand the wanting to feel sexy and stuff but their are much more beautiful and tasteful ways to show how sexy we can be isn't their? Maybe its just me but dosen't this make us look bad. In many ways this form of behavier confuses me. Then again in my honestnes I feel the same way abot g-women in poses like this. Maybe i'm just strang in my feelings? who knows.

[Kierci]

I have to agree with you on this subject, I dont think you'll offend anyone by asking this question, I think its more offensive to photoshoot as you have said or to have their ManHood showing in the picture. Porn already has a bad name we dont need to be associated with porn. I think that the rules the forum has for photos is justified so we dont have to deal with that kind of Crap. This is just my 0.02

[Win Der Mere]

You're absolutely right, in my opinion. A true lady can be extremely desirable without even appearing to try. But you sure can bet that she is trying ! Just look at some of the adverts for up market ladies' country clothing. Not a glimpse of thigh, understated bosom, only traces of make up....., etc.
Love Dalesman

[btmgrl6]

Different strokes for different folks I imagine. Maybe they just feel sexy. I don't think they mean to offend and the photos they allow in here don't allow them to be too explicit. I haven't seen to many at that. There is a papercilp outside the thread, and the thread is usually labeled sexy this or sexy that, something that might give you a clue as to content. If you are offended, Maybe you could use this as sort of a guide, and stay away from such threads. That way everyone is still free to express themselves and others are free not to have to look at them.
Just a thought...

Steph

[FionaAlexis]

Charlaine,

It's not my style either but I've learned over the years not be too judgemental. And not too write people off simply because they have a sexual side that they express differently.

And, if you chat with a broad cross section of CDs and TGs, you will find that appearances are often quite deceiving.

Fiona xx

[Faye Emmette]

Methinks Charlaine people who pose in a 'take me from behind' pose are suggesting they are trying to attract someone for sex .. cyber or otherwise.
We here have rules and our 'frisky' photos are all in fun and nothing like those other (and to me also) unattractive pictures.
F.

[Gemma Rhodes]

I agree totally. I never pose provocatively and the people who do are the ones who give us CDers a bad name. I just like to dress my age in comfortable and casual womens clothes, I do not get a sexual kick out of it but it just helps me relax and destress and the only "buzz" I get is when I see this not bad looking woman looking back at me when I look in the mirror after I have dressed and done my make up.

Gemma xx

[Kristen Kelly]

Different strokes for different folks I imagine. Maybe they just feel sexy. I don't think they mean to offend and the photos they allow in here don't allow them to be too explicit. I haven't seen to many at that. There is a papercilp outside the thread, and the thread is usually labeled sexy this or sexy that, something that might give you a clue as to content. If you are offended, Maybe you could use this as sort of a guide, and stay away from such threads. That way everyone is still free to express themselves and others are free not to have to look at them.
Just a thought...

Steph

One of the things that has changed me is this site, It has given me a new selfasteam. I have no problem with soft porn, but it has gotten an UGLY name and rather glad not to see it here.

[Phyliss]

I can't really explain why some people will debase themselves for a "cheap thrill" by posing in a sleazy manner. Now, I'll be the first to admit that "he" sometimes enjoys those pictures, however, lately there just seems to be something lacking. "You see one you've seen then all..."

I have come to enjoy this place where I don't have to see some of the rather gross pictures one can find almost anyplace else. Class, dignity, self respect and general good manners are the things that I truly like about this site. Occasionally a "wink and nod" are fun but we are grown up mature adults who have respect for each other.

[ShortSkirt]

As I stated in my welcome thread. This forum is not a pickup place. Therefore any pictures uploaded to this forum, should be "respectable" as this is not the place for any X-Rated pics.

If someone chooses to have, or post, any nude or suggestive pics of themselves, that's fine for them to do, if that's what they choose to do. However, I don't feel anyone should have their character judged by it.

[CharlaineCadence]

I thing what is is i am asking is being confused as I still am. What I mean is why do it any way. Does it not help in reaferming the misinturpreated view that we already have. And As I stated in my post I have never seen this kind posted hear thank fully. And I am not judgeing I am just asking why.

[Lilith Moon]

OK, everybody so far has been either disapproving or none-judgemental. I also happen to find "**** shots" and "take-me" shots unappetising whether the subject is gm or gg. FWIW, I tried taking a few of myself as an experiment and I hated the results :(

It would be interesting, however, to see a comment from the other side...is there anybody here who likes to pose like that? Or who likes to view such pictures ?

[ShortSkirt]

I think it would depend on the kind of attention a person is wishing to attract, and why they want to attract it.

[EricaCD]

Well, first things first: your spelling of "negligee" was pretty close. You just forgot the final "e", and for extra credit the penultimate "e" should get an accent mark :)

Let's remember that CD groups tend to be self-selecting. The people who are active here are usually looking for a different approach and direction in their crossdressing lives. Many, if not most, here view CDing as something more than a purely sexual fetish (though some here clearly enjoy the sexual aspect). That said, I would venture to guess that we are grossly outnumbered by the occasional fetishistic tvs, for whom dressing is strictly a sexual game.

Why would anyone post an explicit photo of themselves? Some people just aren't self-conscious about their bodies. Others are exhibitionists for whom the exposure is part of the thrill. Others either have no judgment to start with, or make an error in judgment when drunk or aroused, and may come to regret it profoundly. But I don't necessarily think that the motivations differ because a guy is posing in a ladies' thong instead of a men's thong.

Erica

[FionaAlexis]

Sorry Charlaine -

I'm afraid I find these sorts of threads both devisive and hypocritical. Devisive because you haven't naively asked the question - you've framed in a judgemental way - 'doesn't make us look bad'.

They don't make me look bad anymore than a call girl makes my wife look bad.

Hypocritical because you and most of the rest of us have visited sites to view trannies with exposed genitalia or sexually explicit photos.

We can all scream shock - horror - and take a holier than thou stance but the chances are just about every CD-er and every tranny on this site has visited - not necessarily porn sites - but contact sites where the photos are more risque and enjoyed many of the photos there.

So let's get real.

Fiona xx

[Audrey34]

Not me. I strongly dislike genatalia pix, whether man or woman. My other main fetish is bondage. As soon as I mention that to people they assume I'm into denigration, whippings and other nonsense. They don't realize that you can tie up a beautiful lady fully dressed or in lingerie and NOT have to do degrading stuff to her. Same goes for looking at pix of CD's and genetic girls. I like to see legs and such but please no genetal pix.
Hope this was somewhat on topic.
-Audrey

[Tanya]

if you want my 0.02 , i wonder why a GG would do the same . To each his or her own . It is in my mind that they want to attract others for some sort of sex and feel sexy doing so . if these pics offend your eyes don't look at them . Botth genders have sleazy types .This is not to offend you but rather give an opinion .

[Erinia Patrizia]

Hi you all, girls!
Well, I do not see sexual poses as a problem. If we are fighting against any judgement over our CDing, why judge the way others interpret their CDing. It'a such a contradiction!:p
Erinia P.

[Bev06 GG]

If someone chooses to have, or post, any nude or suggestive pics of themselves, that's fine for them to do, if that's what they choose to do. However, I don't feel anyone should have their character judged by it.
Hi girls,
Your right Shortskirt, to say its fine for them to do so, but to say that their character shouldn't be judged by it somewhat confuses me. Surely a persons character is judged by what they say and the way that they conduct themselves. Surely provocative pics say something about that persons character, even if its to say that theyre obviously not shy.
I would even go so far to say, that provocative pics are obviously sending out a very direct message to those who are viewing them, unless of course the person striking the pose is a professional model who's being paid for his or her services and its their regular 9-5 job.
On the other hand maybe as a GG I dont think like men do, and maybe the provocative ones are just emulating what they think a woman is all about. After all we are often on different wave lengths and do think very differently.
BEVxxxx

[Julia Cross]

Well I have to agree with most of you. There as a place for everything. Personally, I don't feel this forum is the place for the type of photos Charlaine was describing either. The message they send alludes to crossdressing as a fetish or a sexual thing. Which it can be, but that is not the focus of this site, or so I thought. Especially since the moderators are quick to remove any written reference to such things.

So, in my opinion, this is not the place for such photos either.

Fiona, I think you are way off the mark in saying those who have issues with the photos are hypocritical becuase they have visited sites before that show these sort of images. Yes we all most certainly have, but that is not by choice, on the internet is impossible to be selective, you open a site and then you see what's there, if it's not for you, you leave the site. having seen the pictures doesn't make you a hypocite, having browsed through them as a voyeur would.

Julia

[Kate Simmons]

Don't know Char. I don't share things like that with the world at large. That's reserved for intimate and private times as far as I'm concerned. Ericka

[ShortSkirt]

provocative pics are obviously sending out a very direct message to those who are viewing them

Thats right. To those who are viewing them. We here are not. I agree that any pics like that could be seen as sending a very clear message, and in fact I'm sure that's why they would have them to begin with. However, that is their business, not our's as it's not a part of this forum.

Maybe we need to ask Anna Nichol Smith? LOL.

[Gemma Rhodes]

Fiona, I think you are way off the mark in saying those who have issues with the photos are hypocritical becuase they have visited sites before that show these sort of images. Yes we all most certainly have, but that is not by choice, on the internet is impossible to be selective, you open a site and then you see what's there, if it's not for you, you leave the site. having seen the pictures doesn't make you a hypocite, having browsed through them as a voyeur would.

Julia

I totally agree Julia, when I first started dressing again at Xmas 04 I typed the words crossdresser, transvestite etc into a search engine and was amazed at the amount of site like the ones you are describing but I didn't know what they were like until I looked at them. I realised these sites were not for me as dressing is not a sexual thing for me and anyone who knows me will tell you, I certainly didn't enjoy looking at the pictures, in fact they disgusted me, and I was about to give up hope of finding a decent site until I stumbled across this one, The UK Angels and through that found Roses. These 3 are the only 3 sites I now use regularly and they have all helped me develop my feminine side to the extent that I have smashed open my closet and can get out regularly now.

Gemma xx

[Tanya]

I have to agree with most of you on this . Most cd's dress with the attire they view in the media ( yes unfortunatly this includes porn!) Some of us just dress under our clothes and this fullfills our satisfaction . some of us dress all the way and some of us dress very naughty and need the thrill of posing in provocative pics. we as males dress as "we " view our female counterparts and try to emulate that when we dress up. i'm not trying to say that all of us view women as toys or ****s or anything but you must agree that we are bombarded with images on the television daily of very sexy women ( on commercials , movies , posters etc.) it was said that GG are attracted or turned on by .... But as a GM we are attracted or turned on by images. So some cd's see this as being femme. Now i'm not saying this is right or wrong . what i'm saying is to each their own.

[JoAnnDallas]

I have taken pictures of myself in night gowns, Satan PJ's, and such but all have been taseful and none show any body parts, that you would not see in a catalog like VS.

[uknowhoo]

The reason you don't see that kind of unsavory pics around here is because Sherlyn and the rest of the staff are doing their (volunteer) jobs very well. We have specific rules laid out for this forum, and they are uniformly enforced, resulting in the kind of site to which a CD could invite her So or family. That's our goal, and I think we do a very good job as a community.

Of course, there is a myriad of other sites where one could find that sort of thing, if so inclined. Personally, that's not my thing. At the same time, I'm not gonna throw any stones at "those perverts."

It's nice to be among "nice girls.":p

xoxo

Tammi

[chantelle]

The thing about pics are that they tell a thousand words and if others were to pose in those types that look ****ty then I would say that they shoudl go find themselves a place away from here

I will not say much further. Just be sure that u advertise who u are through the pics u take of yourself.
Love
chantelle.

[Lilith Moon]

I can't believe this ! :mad:

Here we are, a minority group that is despised and prejudged by many bigots...actually pouring scorn on another minority group. Who are we to judge people ? Or is it the old story of repressed groups looking out for someone to feel superior to? :(

I've already said that porno shots don't appeal to me personally, but I have no problems at all with those who get pleasure from posting, or looking at such pictures. Similarly, I would hope that those who have no interest in crossdressing would not condemm me for my particular activities. :(

[Cheery GG]

I have not seen any photos of this sort hear but other web sites i have been to esp. places like myspace and yahoo. Why do some transgendered peoples and crossdressers feel a need to pose photos of themself in very revealing clothing while in very sexual postures, something like bent over ready to be taken from behind and other such poses. I dont mean in a beautiful nightgown ot neglige (cant spell the word i want) I understand the wanting to feel sexy and stuff but their are much more beautiful and tasteful ways to show how sexy we can be isn't their? Maybe its just me but dosen't this make us look bad. In many ways this form of behavier confuses me. Then again in my honestnes I feel the same way abot g-women in poses like this. Maybe i'm just strang in my feelings? who knows.


You sure your not a gg.....only we say this sort of stuff !

cheery
xx

[Shelly Preston]

Some may post pictures of a provacative nature
It may not be to everyones taste but as long as it is not obscene,
and complies with the rules.
It is surely up to the indvidual to decide which pics they want to post.

[Rexy Lee]

Its been already said by others here, but crossdressing spans the spectrum from wearing panthose on occasion to dressing like a drag queen, and sexually from 100% straight to flaming gay and everything and I mean everything in between.
What could it possibly mean to you how others express this fetish?

Of the cd rooms/forums on the net, this is one of the most conservative, (and thats ok) however we all need to allow eachother some room here and not be judgemental.

I for one lean toward whats known as "fetish transvestite" if you need to put a label on. I dress sexy and I am very bi when dressed (and only when dressed-go figure?) Those that like to put on a housecoat and slippers and no make-up do not apppeal to me in anyway, however they are certainly entitled to be and act just as they wish.

Its tough enough being unfavorably viewed by the rest of the world but to get chastised by our own people? Its a shame.

[FionaAlexis]

Firstly I not sure why there was an upsurge of ‘not on this site’ posts as no-one was advocating any change to the current policy?? It was about why some TG/CDs dress and pose provocatively…or in sexually explicit poses.

If the question had been asked properly and there had a fewer knee jerk ‘not me’ responses – we could have had an interesting discussion. And maybe more of the ‘naughty’ girls would have given their views.

Anyway….I must get back to tvChix. I’m reviewing the profiles there for research purposes only. Oh! this young lady admirer on the top right of the home page must be gynecologist….

Fiona xx

[sierracd6]

I agree with all of Shortskirts views. Just because someone wants to feel sexy and adventuouse, does not give any of us room to talk...we are doing it in different ways and for different reasons. I myself will take photos like described, but would never post them here for this is not that type of forum, and I know and agree with that. But I should also not be judged on how I may feel on a certain day of photo opps either....nor will I judge anyone else if they want to show a little backside, I will not call them a ****, or if they don't, I will not call them a prude. We all have our opinions

[Bernice]

Kudos to Rexy Lee for advocating tolerance. I also share FionaAlexis' dissappointment in the lack of views expressed by ‘naughty’ girls.

I think that how we photograph ourselves is a reflection of why we dress as we do. Those who dress for arousal will dress more provocatively (or will try to anyway), and are likely to post pictures of themselves dressed that same way.

When I was 19, I would have posted similar photographs, if the Internet and digital photography had existed way back then.

I'm not 19 anymore. Dressing no longer results in arousal. For me, dressing is for other reasons that are much harder to describe. Thus, I am most likely to post pictures of a fully dressed person, whose hemline is within a couple inches of her knees, perhaps sitting or standing, but definitly not about to engage in coitus or other participative pornographic behavior.

At this point in my life, my subconcious motivation to dress as I do probably has a lot more to do with wanting to be like a lady and not to promote sexual activity of any kind.

I am here on this forum because it is much more conservative (and friendly) than other forums. I am dissappointed by avatars that show no face, and I do probably leap to misleading conclusions about those who post avatars with shockingly short microskirts. But I realize that that is MY prejudice, and it is MY responsibily to to overcome such negative feelings. That is what acceptance of diversity is all about.

[Kristen Kelly]

OK, everybody so far has been either disapproving or none-judgemental. I also happen to find "**** shots" and "take-me" shots unappetising whether the subject is gm or gg. FWIW, I tried taking a few of myself as an experiment and I hated the results :(

It would be interesting, however, to see a comment from the other side...is there anybody here who likes to pose like that? Or who likes to view such pictures ?

I used to look at TG sites, there is nothing wrong with that, the couriousity with what others look like was there, the problem comes when you subistute self satifaction for contact with real people. What ever rocks your boat.

In my younger days I lived with an Exotic dancer and took her to work and sometimes hung out with the girls. Experenced my first contacts with a pre-op and post opTS they were both dancers, it sparked my interest. We hung out with a pretty wild crowd. My GF took me out dressed for the first time to a drag night. I have been on the set of a porn movie while it was being shot it was more mechanical than erotic. Of the contact I've had with these people most had serious drug, alcohol, or problems with low self asteem.

Ive got it out of my system its no life to live. Ive seen porn up close and its not pretty.

The human body is a beautiful thing we are always trying to mold it, why cant we admire it.

[Teresa Amina]

I have not seen any photos of this sort hear but other web sites i have been to esp. places like myspace and yahoo. Why do some transgendered peoples and crossdressers feel a need to pose photos of themself in very revealing clothing while in very sexual postures, something like bent over ready to be taken from behind and other such poses. I dont mean in a beautiful nightgown ot neglige (cant spell the word i want) I understand the wanting to feel sexy and stuff but their are much more beautiful and tasteful ways to show how sexy we can be isn't their? Maybe its just me but dosen't this make us look bad. In many ways this form of behavier confuses me. Then again in my honestnes I feel the same way abot g-women in poses like this. Maybe i'm just strang in my feelings? who knows.

I agree with you Charlaine, that's why this is the only cd/tg site I visit and participate in. That sort of stuff isn't allowed here (thank you moderators!). I post pictures here which are only in good taste and with a sense of humor sometimes. I'm here to express and explore what it is to be Me, not to find turn ons and hook ups!

[CharlaineCadence]

You sure your not a gg.....only we say this sort of stuff !

cheery
xx


I am certainly not a gg in body but have been told many times over i am at heart.

I want evryone to understand that I am not condeming anyone or being hipocrital ( yas another word i cant spell) I am just confused very confused. We transgendered people live a life that is ridiculed by the outside world greatly. Yet their are thouse who cause it to be worse by posting photos like this on the web. I only want to understand why. I admit I am very nieve at the whole concept. I have never gone looking for this stuff. Porn in gen makes me ill. and I am glad to have removed it from my life. I dont deny that at one time yes i looked at the trash put out by penthouse and playboy. But i Was at that time trying to live up to what I thought was normal male feelings. But it in reality sickens me. I feel this way over anything that exploites the female body for any reasions. Call me a prud, old fashened what ever, but I really just want to learn and understand really its all i want to do. I am soo sorry if i made any one upset this was not my intention. I was only asking so I might understand. I have read alot of posts and can see that some people did not seem to either understand that i asked more then one question. Or where just responding to the first question. I asked my questions in statements so that people could see that I was not trying to be judgemental. Again I am sorry

[FionaAlexis]

Charlaine,

First those who visit CD/TG sites even this nice one do so because they are TG - TV - CD - Admirer or connected to us in some way. Mr & Mrs Average wouldn't view tranny porn sites. And I doubt very much they'd stray on them by accident - well I suppose you might if the site has a common usage name. My point being that I doubt the public at large judge us by tranny porn. They judge us by what's put on the popular media - so if you have a beef it ought to be with Jerry Springer etc. not porn. And with those transsexuals who appear in that form of media. The media love gender benders. Fortunately we have also had a number of transsexuals in recent times who've provided a more positive image and more balance.

Ultimately we are all judged, by those who know us well, by how we live our own lives but unfortunately we don't fit community norms so it's always going to be an uphill battle with those who don't know us well.

You may still be confused - but people have a right to live their lives the way they wish - and not according to your standards or mine.

Fiona xx

[Angela Burke]

JoAnne,
I want to see those "Satan PJ's" now!

[CharlaineCadence]

Charlaine,

First those who visit CD/TG sites even this nice one do so because they are TG - TV - CD - Admirer or connected to us in some way. Mr & Mrs Average wouldn't view tranny porn sites. And I doubt very much they'd stray on them by accident - well I suppose you might if the site has a common usage name. My point being that I doubt the public at large judge us by tranny porn. They judge us by what's put on the popular media - so if you have a beef it ought to be with Jerry Springer etc. not porn. And with those transsexuals who appear in that form of media. The media love gender benders. Fortunately we have also had a number of transsexuals in recent times who've provided a more positive image and more balance.

Ultimately we are all judged, by those who know us well, by how we live our own lives but unfortunately we don't fit community norms so it's always going to be an uphill battle with those who don't know us well.

You may still be confused - but people have a right to live their lives the way they wish - and not according to your standards or mine.

Fiona xx

thank you Fiona

That honestly did help sorry is i was an arse

[FionaAlexis]

.....sorry is i was an arse

I never thought you were Charlaine - you seem like a very nice person. It's just a discussion - a debate.

Fiona xx

[Barb Valentine]

Some people have no class
Not like the Ladies here

[ReginaK]

I always believed they did it because they were looking for sex. Or at least looking to be found sexually attractive.