View Full Version : Interesting article on genes and TG/TS
Lisa Maren
05-15-2006, 07:15 PM
Hi Everyone
I stumbled on an interesting article at www.psychologytoday.com that you might want to read.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20031024-000002.html
It talks about the role genes play in transgendered/transsexual individuals. I found it very interesting. I will admit, though, that I'm not sure how I feel towards that publication. At least some of the articles have a definite slant to them and it surprises me that this is the case in what is marketed as a periodical on psychology. I will try to find another article/source for the information in the article. If I do, I'll let you know about it!
Hugs,
Lisa
CaptLex
05-15-2006, 07:49 PM
Hmmm . . . interesting. Thanks, Lisa
Joy Carter
05-15-2006, 07:56 PM
Ya mean I'm going to stay transgendered ?????? Aw goody ! :D
Teresa Amina
05-15-2006, 08:58 PM
Genes again? Now let's think this through. So they find a genetic code which means TG. They test to see if unborn child has same. OK, say it's a yes; then what? Easy to guess where that might lead! What needs to be researched is the genetic sequence for intolerance and agression, then do something about those!
Sarah Smile
05-16-2006, 02:15 AM
Note that they're confusing sex and gender. They're talking about a study in mice... how they can know the gender of the mice, I have no idea! If the quotes in the article are accurate, I don't see how these "scientists" findings can be trusted.
:rolleyes:
livy_m_b
05-16-2006, 03:24 AM
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... how they can know the gender of the mice...
Um, they watch for gendered behavior? But, in the category of what you may not want to know, cross-gendered behavior in mice is often sexually oriented! :)
liv
Maria D
05-16-2006, 11:55 AM
Genes again? Now let's think this through. So they find a genetic code which means TG. They test to see if unborn child has same. OK, say it's a yes; then what? Easy to guess where that might lead! What needs to be researched is the genetic sequence for intolerance and agression, then do something about those!
I would not abort a child of mine is it was tested and found to be TS. However, I would have it corrected if it was possible. Why would I want to put my child through the sheer sh*t of my life? Of course, a large part of that sh*t could be removed by removing intolerance from people, but the horrible feeling of not 'matching', of being different, and the pain of transition and SRS, no, I wouldn't put my kid through that if I could avoid it.
I'm glad I wasn't tested and aborted, but I wish I could have been corrected. Hey ho.
Take care :)
Sarah Smile
05-16-2006, 11:56 AM
Um, they watch for gendered behavior? But, in the category of what you may not want to know, cross-gendered behavior in mice is often sexually oriented! :)
liv
Ah, you mean "Males do this, and females do that?" ;) How is that different from sexual stereotyping? I tend to think of gender as identity-related, so from my POV, the mice would first have to have an identity (questionable) and then have to be able to tell the researchers about it. :/
Maria D
05-16-2006, 12:01 PM
Ah, you mean "Males do this, and females do that?" ;) How is that different from sexual stereotyping? I tend to think of gender as identity-related, so from my POV, the mice would first have to have an identity (questionable) and then have to be able to tell the researchers about it. :/
Stereotypes exist and work because, although they sum up what is being stereotyped to a reasonable extent, people also attempt to conform to said stereotypes, thus helping to perpetuate the stereotype.
Mice, that I know of, don't. They just 'are'. A gay mouse isn't going to stay in the closet and adopt butch male stereotypes, it'll just 'be' what it is. Ditto a TS mouse I suppose, though I'm not sure it'd be so easy to tell. Male mice in heels?
Take care :)
Deborah
05-16-2006, 01:22 PM
how they can know the gender of the mice
Easy they place a cute little mouse dress on one side of the cage and a little suit at the other and see which side the mouse goes. ;)
livy_m_b
05-16-2006, 06:42 PM
Ah, you mean "Males do this, and females do that?" ;) How is that different from sexual stereotyping? I tend to think of gender as identity-related, so from my POV, the mice would first have to have an identity (questionable) and then have to be able to tell the researchers about it. :/
When I've read some studies, they usually refer to "mounting behavior" or "submissive behavior". Humans may be more complex than mice - sometimes I wonder - mice may not distinguish between gender and biological sex and sexual orientation - maybe someone else can address that. Usually when we read these articles it's at least one step and often more removed from the original scientific paper in which things are more precisely described. At this distance we can't even be sure whose terminology we would be criticizing.
:love:
Olivia
Marla S
05-16-2006, 06:47 PM
@Livy
I totally agree. To draw conclusions from such studies you have to read the original paper, at least.
Clare
05-16-2006, 08:52 PM
On the face of it, I'd have to agree that 'Gender' is hardwired into the brain rather than created exclusively by hormones. This article seems to reinforce other reports i've read on the issue about the 'cause' of gender orientation.
But it would have been nice to review the full origional paper rather than just the summary statement.
Sarah Smile
05-16-2006, 09:13 PM
Usually when we read these articles it's at least one step and often more removed from the original scientific paper in which things are more precisely described. At this distance we can't even be sure whose terminology we would be criticizing.
This is very true... I just thought that from what it sounded like, it was a good idea to be skeptical.
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