Would you give up crossdressing?

[Christian GG]

If someone were to give you a million dollars would you give up crossdressing?
This is Sheena's wife in her own account. I would like Sheena to give up crossdressing because I have the opportunity to become very famous and I don't want Sheena tainting that.

[Momarie]

Holy cow!
Famous? Tainting?

Sorry Ladies, I was all wrong on this one, I'm shocked this is all that is stake for "Christian".

[Siobhan Marie]

I wouldn't give up cd'ing for anything, its a part of who I am.

:hugs: Anna x

[Janelle Young]

If someone gave me a million dollars to give up crossdressing I would turn it down. If the offer was ten million I think I would try. I also think that I would be miserable and pretty much hate the world in general, then fail and go back to dressing. This (cd'ing) is one of those things that perhaps 99% of us can not 'give up'. It is sort of like being color blind, you may wish and pray that you were not color blind but every day you wake up and you still see the same way that you did the day before.

[Julia Cross]

This is becoming rather comical. And unbelievable.

J

[Ipexx2]

If someone were to give you a million dollars would you give up crossdressing?
This is Sheena's wife in her own account. I would like Sheena to give up crossdressing because I have the opportunity to become very famous and I don't want Sheena tainting that.
Yes. I'll use the money for new house, job and sex change lol. What would you give up that made feel good ? Boy you very shelf center. You famous O K right. And tainting you did that your shelf .

[Emily Ann Brown]

A million to be a crass crude guy who does ubnoxious things and demeans women.....NEVER !

A million to give up the smell of perfume and makeup, the feel of silk and hosiery, seeing my toenails painted a bright red......NEVER !

A dollar to make my wife have that look of pure love again for me and know that I would never again hurt her with this.......ABSOLUTELY !!!!!

But then again, I know the gender of my mind......and I don't know if 10 million can fix that.


Emily Ann

[Marla S]

Well you can always try, but I see littel chance that money is a "cure". Others tried more elaborate theories and methods, but I am not aware of any success.

I'd like to suggest a deal.
Ask sheena if she's willing to stop CDing for a few month up to a year (that could be hard, but possible). Become famous meanwhile, then think about it again.

[Christian GG]

Well you can always try, but I see littel chance that money is a "cure". Others tried more elaborate theories and methods, but I am not aware of any success.

I'd like to suggest a deal.
Ask sheena if she's willing to stop CDing for a few month up to a year (that could be hard, but possible). Become famous meanwhile, then think about it again.

This is a great idea, I don't think Sheena could stop at this point. She gets so depressed even with the hint of not being able to be Sheena that she is unable to work. Got any other ideas?

[SilkenPrincess]

Would you give up YOUR dreams for a million? If so, then you are as shallow as this thread makes you appear. I hope I'm wrong. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I suggest you rethink your request. And take a real long look inside your heart. Take care.

SilkenPrincess

[Christian GG]

This is becoming rather comical. And unbelievable.

J

I only wish this were true. Unfortunately for me this is becoming rather tragic.
I think Sheena is fast becoming a TS because of her behaviour. Please read my other thread.

[EricaCD]

I don't offend easily but you managed! We are not children to be bought off with a bribe for good behavior. CDing is a fundamental part of what we are and your cash offer is asking Sheena to sell herself out for a lie. It also doesn't help that you're reinforcing every single negative social attitude about crossdressing.

Great story (possibly apocryphal?) about Oscar Wilde, I think. A more literary girl can correct me. At a cocktail party he asks a respectable lady if she would have sex with him for money.

Woman: "No."
Oscar: "Not even for a million pounds?"
Woman: "Well, yes for that much."
Oscar: "Ok, how about ten pounds?"
Woman: "Of course not! What sort of woman do you think I am?"
Oscar: "Madam, we have already determined that. Now we are just negotiating over the price."

Sound familiar?

Erica

[Christian GG]

Would you give up YOUR dreams for a million? If so, then you are as shallow as this thread makes you appear. I hope I'm wrong. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I suggest you rethink your request. And take a real long look inside your heart. Take care.

SilkenPrincess

Over the years I have given up so many dreams for this relationship. I'm not going to give up this one any more than Sheena is willing to give up being Sheena.

[SilkenPrincess]

Then perhaps you have your answer already.

[Christian GG]

I don't offend easily but you managed! We are not children to be bought off with a bribe for good behavior. CDing is a fundamental part of what we are and your cash offer is asking Sheena to sell herself out for a lie. It also doesn't help that you're reinforcing every single negative social attitude about crossdressing.

Great story (possibly apocryphal?) about Oscar Wilde, I think. A more literary girl can correct me. At a cocktail party he asks a respectable lady if she would have sex with him for money.

Woman: "No."
Oscar: "Not even for a million pounds?"
Woman: "Well, yes for that much."
Oscar: "Ok, how about ten pounds?"
Woman: "Of course not! What sort of woman do you think I am?"
Oscar: "Madam, we have already determined that. Now we are just negotiating over the price."

Sound familiar?

Erica
Sorry I offended you, I'm asking questions to find out possible solutions to some really difficult issues.

[SilkenPrincess]

Christian,
I have no doubt whatsoever that the situation is difficult. I've lived it. Most of us have. But you seem to be putting money over personhood. This isn't about clothes, it's about a heart. I can't think of anything more valuable than that. I sympathize with your dilemna. I wish there were easier answers for you than what you've suggested.

SilkenPrincess

[annekathleen]

Sounds like an "indecent proposal" like the movie with Robert Redford, Demi Moore, and Woody Harrelson

[suzanne claire]

I hope that your bribe offer was really a jest,otherwise it would be offensive.There are really few people who are famous as that requires the test of time as proven by history. There are many infamous people or those who have a distorted sense of self. If crossdressing is really part of who one is as an individual then they should be true to that aspect of their life.Perhaps both of you could benefit from professional assistance.:hugs:

[Bev06 GG]

If someone were to give you a million dollars would you give up crossdressing?
This is Sheena's wife in her own account. I would like Sheena to give up crossdressing because I have the opportunity to become very famous and I don't want Sheena tainting that.
Well to be honest Christian I know that your upset, but have you re read what youve just written, it sounds really awful. Hopefully when youve gotten over the shock and upset of all of this you'll see that for yourself.
I dont know what it is that may afford you the chance to become famous, and it could be something that having a Crossdresser in the family may well be damaging.
Nevertheless I think if I were in your position I'd turn the whole situation around and see it as a plus. Lets face it, who gets all the publicity in the rich and famous arena, usually someone who's abit out of the ordinary, you could hit the headlines quicker than any soap star ever did. And if its some political arena that your proposing to enter, well then your being very politically correct by already having a family member whom society as a whole discriminates against and your showing a strong family bond and a great united front. How lovely.
BEVxxx

[Tracy_Victoria]

If someone were to give you a million dollars would you give up crossdressing?
This is Sheena's wife in her own account. I would like Sheena to give up crossdressing because I have the opportunity to become very famous and I don't want Sheena tainting that.

Fame, nor wealth, bring happiness.

No, I would not stop crossdressing, but not for any amount of money, If I can't do it for the love of my Partner, then what difference will money make.

[Khriss]

..most "rich and famous people" seem to drop partners, that do'nt see things their way..in a heartbeat !? - so where's the probs?? :eek: ....?? "K"
.. and a million bucks...to buy all the shoes I'd like?? "fuel to the fire" eh??
...you folks need to talk !! xx"K"

[Christian GG]

Well to be honest Christian I know that your upset, but have you re read what youve just written, it sounds really awful. Hopefully when youve gotten over the shock and upset of all of this you'll see that for yourself.
I dont know what it is that may afford you the chance to become famous, and it could be something that having a Crossdresser in the family may well be damaging.
Nevertheless I think if I were in your position I'd turn the whole situation around and see it as a plus. Lets face it, who gets all the publicity in the rich and famous arena, usually someone who's abit out of the ordinary, you could hit the headlines quicker than any soap star ever did. And if its some political arena that your proposing to enter, well then your being very politically correct by already having a family member whom society as a whole discriminates against and your showing a strong family bond and a great united front. How lovely.
BEVxxx
I was on the verge of something really big and that is the precise time Sheena decided to come out of the closet. I was paralyzed for a month over it and now don't know exactly how to proceed. My life is on hold until I figure this out.

[Katrina]

Not for a billion dollars! Money does not buy happiness. Not being able to express my inner woman is guaranteed to bring miserable-ness.

[Faye Emmette]

My thoughts are with you Christian.
If my wife asked me to give up the natural tendencies of dressing like a woamn and sometimes havong womanly thoughts, to save our loving relationship, I'd do it.
The money would be a bonus and I could buy lots of motorbikes but the only reason I could stop is if it would save my loving marriage.
F.

[Sherrie]

I would never be able to give up crossdresseing, no matter how much money was offered. I could try to but would never succede. Crossdressing is a part of who I am and I cannot change that. I would eventially even if I tried and I have tried in the past not to, but always end up doing so anyway.0.02

[SherriePall]

Dear Christian GG -- I take it by your signature name that you are a Christian woman, yet your statement about fame (and I suspect the monetary gains from that fame) would indicate to me that your thoughts are more about that fame and money (remember that the lust of money is the root of all evil) than about your husband.
Your three-day retreat, I guess, was church-oriented and it was there that you were urged on to "treat the evil" that your husband was doing. In one of the books of the law, it states that a man shall not wear a woman's clothes. Right? Yet it states the converse, too. Do you or any of the other women of the church wear pants? And don't give me that line about them being women's pants! Besides, that scripture is interpreted as forbidding a man from sneaking into a woman's quarters by guise or from joining the pagans in rites using crossdressing as part of sexual orgies, or from a man dressing in a woman's clothes to avoid military service or a woman from taking part in battle. And how about the other laws around that scripture? Do we wear tassles at the ends of our clothes? Or build parapets around the roofs of our houses? Mix different materials in our cloths?
Please, back off. Give your husband some air. Sit down and talk with him without hostility or self-righteousness. Listen to what he says. And remember, none of us asked to be this way. Many of us have tried to stop. Some of us have even used prayers (and a few promises to God, if ..).
Sorry, I rambled on. And please, take my post in the manner I meant it, with my love in Christ that you two will work this out.

[Faye Emmette]

What Sherrie said above .. Whew, thanks Sherrie, I am flabergasted by the intelligence and deep thinking that some of our members have.
Please heed this "CGG".

[Julie Avery]

A year ago, I would have taken the money, and a few months later, helplessly defaulted on the agreement. Today, I'd suggest they keep their money and quick messing with me.

[ErikaLeigh]

I have tried to stop dressing MANY times, you know the old purge, then binge when you cant handle being in drab any more. I think the longest I ever went was about 2 years. I would try for a million, but I dont think I could honestly never dress the rest of my life no matter HOW MUCH money was involved. I can understand where you are coming from Christian, I am in the position of being a well known business owner, and involved in church ministry, and if I was found out my life as I know it would cease to exist. I think your best bet would be to ask if your S.O. would be willing to keep it tucked in the closet under lock and key (thats what I do). You have a life to live, and so does your S.O., but dont let ANYTHING, even money stand in the way of your dreams.

[carol ann]

I answered your other thread and I suggest you read that answer.

I must say I was most disappointed to read this one. I am sad for you.

I would give up crossdressing if my wife really pushed me. Not for money - ever- but for love and need to protect my relationship. Love is about giving and giving

I would suggest that if you are serious about your career and money being all important that you ditch your husband. He will be better off and it will let you both get on with your lives free of individual selfishness which will in any case return to haunt you

[Ms. Donna]

If someone were to give you a million dollars would you give up crossdressing?

This is Sheena's wife in her own account. I would like Sheena to give up crossdressing because I have the opportunity to become very famous and I don't want Sheena tainting that.

Do you have even the slightest clue what it means to be transgender?

To grow up feeling isolated and alone - confused by feelings and emotions for which we have no sufficient words to express them? To have no one in your life to share these feelings? To learn to hate yourself - all the while putting on a 'happy face' for those around you? To recognize what is the pointlessness that is your life? To spend nearly every waking moment painfully aware that you are not and never will be a part of the mainstream of society? To look at the other people around you moving almost effortlessly through life while you struggle simply to exist?

And do you have even the slightest clue just how ignorant your question is?

For a million dollars, would you :
Have your breasts removed?
Grow a beard?
Arm hair?
Leg hair?
Chest hair?

Would you agree to spend the rest of your life as a man? To spend the rest of your life being something you're not while is slowly eats away at you until you no longer have a reason to live?

Well... Would you?

Then why would you wish that on someone else?


Into what part of "Do unto others as you would have them do to you" (Luke 6:31) does this fit?

Under what part of the so called 'christian virtues' does this fall?

Clearly, you've lost the plot on your way home from the retreat. If I were you, I'd ask for my money back.


You don't want Sheena tainting your chance at fame? Please... You seem more concerned with 'fortune and glory' than with your relationship. I'm sure that once you're 'rich and famous', you'll have no problem finding a 'proper' husband.


So, lets see where we are:
Greed
Wrath
Envy
Hubris

That's four. All you need is three more and you'll have racked up all seven cardinal sins - not bad. :thumbsup:


I'm sure that there is much that Sheena could have done better, but your 'response' to all of this - my dear, you have more than a few issues here...


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[purple_spider GG]

Hi
Sheena is transgender and she was born transgender! You are asking her to give up an inherent part of her human nature, her natural self, and this is going to destroy her. By suppressing it she is going to become more depressed and statistically another suicide risk. Christian what is more important to you? I know you think this is a hobby but it isn't. I have had two TG partners, my last one was TS and my current one is non-transitioning transgender, you cannot crush who they are and it is wrong of you to do so. I know you are upset right now but please give yourself time because you will get used to it in the end.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[LucyTwitch]

Hi

Does your partner have to be in the limelight with you. There are many famous people out there who partners remain out of the limelight.

As for mony to stop CDing, No, the only cure is a brain transfer but medical sicence has not reached this ability yet. So that means a life of missery. Money to be misrable or non to be HAPPY.

Ahother Life chioce

Love
Lucy.

[Kate Simmons]

It's not about the money Christian, it's about asking me to assassinate an important part of myself. I tried it before and went into severe, almost fatal depression as a result. Will never do that again. No way, no how for any amount of money or anything else. I can never compromise who I am as a person ever again, nor would I attempt to try. Ericka Kay Richards

[DawnLabelle]

I was on the verge of something really big and that is the precise time Sheena decided to come out of the closet. I was paralyzed for a month over it and now don't know exactly how to proceed. My life is on hold until I figure this out.


So, who is keeping your life on hold?, you or your husband?. Sorry, its you, but youre taking it out on her. Is she holding you back from getting that wonderful fame and money?, of course not. You can't handle the feelings your having so youre paralyzing yourself.

If you want to actually deal with this, realize the possibility that it MAY NOT GO YOUR WAY. Let that sink in

now, lots of options,
-chat here (not enough in my opinion)
-schedule a few sessions with a therapist which deals with gender issues
-actually talk constructively with your husband
-tolerate it and set reasonable boundaries, allow him to get his outlet without it bothering you

shall I continue?

you want to guarantee that this will end badly, keep doing what youre doing, threaten, make ridiculous offers, fail to consider the possibility that this wont go away, realize youre actively making things more difficult and worse between you two.

oh, and what a lovely shining example of Christianity you are, and you wonder why so many are turning away from your god especially?. May wanna hit that bible a few more times before you declare yourself a good religious woman.

Dawn

P.S. After reading Sherrie's post, now *thats* a Christian I respect and honor.

[gillian1968]

If a perfect stranger gave me a million dollars to give it up, absolutely not.

If my loving wife of 15 years asked me to give it up for free, I would. It's not about the money. It's about commitment and faith.

My wife knows, loves, and understands me. She would realize what it is she's asking me to give up, and she would know that it would not be easy - and down that road we would probably rely upon the gift of forgiveness.

When it comes to the public eye, you won't win. The media has neither faith nor discretion - and the lies and half-truths that might be thrust into the light could be far more damaging than this simple truth. In this way I agree with Bev06 - keep it positive, and be a rare example in the world of tolerance and love.

I wish you the best in your decision - it will test both of your strength and faith.

[Vannacd]

I guess I feel compelled to weigh in on this. Christian, relationships are a two way street. Just as you are responsible to give and compromise in your relationship, so is Sheena. I am in a relationship with a very successful person, and any indiscretion on my part could cause my partner's career great harm. So I am discreet, I continue to enjoy dressing, and my relationship is solid. Maybe Sheena has a little growing up to do.

Vanna

[sami1952]

money can't always buy you happiness,i happy with who i am and feel more at ease when i wear my fem clothes,it' like a whole new different world for me an i am a different person who feels like somebody else.:hugs: :hugs:

[Christian GG]

Dear Christian GG -- I take it by your signature name that you are a Christian woman, yet your statement about fame (and I suspect the monetary gains from that fame) would indicate to me that your thoughts are more about that fame and money (remember that the lust of money is the root of all evil) than about your husband.
Your three-day retreat, I guess, was church-oriented and it was there that you were urged on to "treat the evil" that your husband was doing. In one of the books of the law, it states that a man shall not wear a woman's clothes. Right? Yet it states the converse, too. Do you or any of the other women of the church wear pants? And don't give me that line about them being women's pants! Besides, that scripture is interpreted as forbidding a man from sneaking into a woman's quarters by guise or from joining the pagans in rites using crossdressing as part of sexual orgies, or from a man dressing in a woman's clothes to avoid military service or a woman from taking part in battle. And how about the other laws around that scripture? Do we wear tassles at the ends of our clothes? Or build parapets around the roofs of our houses? Mix different materials in our cloths?
Please, back off. Give your husband some air. Sit down and talk with him without hostility or self-righteousness. Listen to what he says. And remember, none of us asked to be this way. Many of us have tried to stop. Some of us have even used prayers (and a few promises to God, if ..).
Sorry, I rambled on. And please, take my post in the manner I meant it, with my love in Christ that you two will work this out.
Let's try reputation

[Christian GG]

It's not about the money Christian, it's about asking me to assassinate an important part of myself. I tried it before and went into severe, almost fatal depression as a result. Will never do that again. No way, no how for any amount of money or anything else. I can never compromise who I am as a person ever again, nor would I attempt to try. Ericka Kay Richards
Sounds like Sheena

[lostmyhubby GG]

Ok you might be Sheena's partner,soul mate etc...and all that good stuff but I am sorry you are your own person and Sheena is her own person.....you and only you are responsible for your happiness and your life decisions...what Sheena does should not reflect upon you in any way....
What people do is their own business not anyone elses, you need to get on with your life and plans of being rich and famous or whatever....and let Sheena get on with her life (cd'ing and such) take charge or your own seperate lives.....once you have those under control...come together and see if you cant both work on your relationship.
But it is unfair for you to put such a demand etc upon Sheena...Take the shoe out and put it on the other foot....ok Sheena says to you " if you become rich and famous that will just ruin it for me, things will never be the same etc.....so give it up for me please if you love me" What truly would you do? would this be fair of Sheena to ask you to give up your big break?
Oh...and by the way....do some research on some of our famous and rich people out there that our children idolize etc....dig into their backgrounds....bet you'll find lots of shockingly surprising stuff about whos gay, whos lesbian,who crossdresses,who is married and pays for prostitutes etc.....who takes drugs,some of our most famous commit bloody murder and get away with it!!!!!!!!!!
Sheena being Sheena is beautiful, and you being you whether rich and famous or not is beautiful....dont borrow trouble and make things more difficult. Life for us as GG's is difficult enough at times...however being hated,misunderstood,and prejudiced against is even worse and all cd's have that to face in their lives.

[GG Vanya]

infamy

Christian, I don't know if you'll ever be famous, but I get the feeling you're well on your way to being INfamous here.

I have no way of knowing what your venue to fame is, but I'm reminded of one person who did it through singing, and her husband is 99% behind the scenes. You might have heard of her, her name is Dolly Parton.

[Elizabeth]

Christian GG,

It is my personal feeling that this relationship is doomed. You clearly value what other people think and the embarassment of being with a crossdresser or transsexual is more than you beleive you can bare.

When I first realized that my exwife was not going to accept this about me, I stopped enjoying our relationship, and really regretted marrying her. I did not dress up, except for panties and other lingerie, for 14 years. Plenty of purges and fights inbetween, but in the end, she could not stand the embarassment of being with a crossdresser.

What I thought was our love, was really just a fiction. I met her needs and when I stopped meeting her needs the relationship ended. Save yourself the 14 years. You are clearly embarassed being with a crossdresser and you feel that your career, whatever that may be, will be jeopardized by being associated with a crossdresser who is out in the open, and who knows, perhaps you are right about that.

The bottom line here is that he is not going to change. Whatever feelings you have for him, those feelings are not strong enough to overcome your feeling of embarassment being with him. Just get out.

And I wonder, if you never become famous, who you will have to blame that on.

Love always,
Elizabeth

[livy_m_b]

I can "give up" being transgendered - all it takes is misery - a high dose of antidepressants, an oppressive religious faith, and completely consistent discouragement on the part of everyone around me. But, for a million dollars? No.

Olivia

[RainyHaze GG]

I feel I have to reply to you Christian.

I hope you reconsider your motives. Think very deeply about what you expect of your husband. And is it a fair request.

You mentioned reputation. I am not sure exactly what you mean by that. I know for me my husband's feelings and well being would be more important, than what others thought of me.

maybe I misunderstood.

Rainy

[Christian GG]

infamy

Christian, I don't know if you'll ever be famous, but I get the feeling you're well on your way to being INfamous here.

I have no way of knowing what your venue to fame is, but I'm reminded of one person who did it through singing, and her husband is 99% behind the scenes. You might have heard of her, her name is Dolly Parton.

See, I can't get away from it. I get some kind of fame no matter what I do.

[Christian GG]

I feel I have to reply to you Christian.

I hope you reconsider your motives. Think very deeply about what you expect of your husband. And is it a fair request.

You mentioned reputation. I am not sure exactly what you mean by that. I know for me my husband's feelings and well being would be more important, than what others thought of me.

maybe I misunderstood
Rainy

A good name is better to be desired than gold.

[NatalieBliss]

would you accept a million dollars to give up being famous so she can keep dressing without "tainting" it.

also having a transgendered person in your life dosen't end being famous. I point to the Arquette family on that one...

[jo_ann]

this just wouldn't work... think about it, you'd get a million dollars, which at 5% interest would mean $50k/year, so you wouldn't have to work anymore. so you'd be sitting at home, bored, and you'd be like "hmm.. I should crossdrrrrr... dammit!".. reminds me of a twilight zone episode where they pay a guy a bunch of money if he doesn't talk for like 3 months, and he does it, but they discover he's cut his tongue out to do so. I think if the same offer was given for no CD'ing for life, that person would do something as drastic.

[Phoebe Reece]

Christian, let me pose a question to you. What if someone offered you a million dollars to pose as a man. The conditions would be that you would have to do it publicly and privately for the rest of your natural life. You could also never tell anyone that you are really female. Could you give up the femininty that you were born with?

If your answer is yes, then it is pretty clear that money is the only thing in life you have any interest in.

If your answer is no, see how that same question relates to Sheena. You may have some chance at understanding what crossdressing is all about in that case.

[Christian GG]

Do you have even the slightest clue what it means to be transgender?

To grow up feeling isolated and alone - confused by feelings and emotions for which we have no sufficient words to express them? To have no one in your life to share these feelings? To learn to hate yourself - all the while putting on a 'happy face' for those around you? To recognize what is the pointlessness that is your life? To spend nearly every waking moment painfully aware that you are not and never will be a part of the mainstream of society? To look at the other people around you moving almost effortlessly through life while you struggle simply to exist?

And do you have even the slightest clue just how ignorant your question is?

For a million dollars, would you :
Have your breasts removed?
Grow a beard?
Arm hair?
Leg hair?
Chest hair?

Would you agree to spend the rest of your life as a man? To spend the rest of your life being something you're not while is slowly eats away at you until you no longer have a reason to live?

Well... Would you?

Then why would you wish that on someone else?


Into what part of "Do unto others as you would have them do to you" (Luke 6:31) does this fit?

Under what part of the so called 'christian virtues' does this fall?

Clearly, you've lost the plot on your way home from the retreat. If I were you, I'd ask for my money back.


You don't want Sheena tainting your chance at fame? Please... You seem more concerned with 'fortune and glory' than with your relationship. I'm sure that once you're 'rich and famous', you'll have no problem finding a 'proper' husband.


So, lets see where we are:
Greed
Wrath
Envy
Hubris

That's four. All you need is three more and you'll have racked up all seven cardinal sins - not bad. :thumbsup:


I'm sure that there is much that Sheena could have done better, but your 'response' to all of this - my dear, you have more than a few issues here...


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Christians aren't perfect people they are forgiven- in reference to the cardinal sins above

[Christian GG]

Christian, let me pose a question to you. What if someone offered you a million dollars to pose as a man. The conditions would be that you would have to do it publicly and privately for the rest of your natural life. You could also never tell anyone that you are really female. Could you give up the femininty that you were born with?

If your answer is yes, then it is pretty clear that money is the only thing in life you have any interest in.

If your answer is no, see how that same question relates to Sheena. You may have some chance at understanding what crossdressing is all about in that case.
I couldn't do it. I get your point. Thanks.

[Patsy Stone GG]

The answer is simple Christian.

You take the million and go to Famesville where you live a long, lonely and sadly tragic life.

During the meanwhilst, back in reality, Sheena goes on to live a happy and fulfilling life as the TS she really is.

Told you it was simple.

[Ipexx2]

Hi
Sheena is transgender and she was born transgender! You are asking her to give up an inherent part of her human nature, her natural self, and this is going to destroy her. By suppressing it she is going to become more depressed and statistically another suicide risk. Christian what is more important to you? I know you think this is a hobby but it isn't. I have had two TG partners, my last one was TS and my current one is non-transitioning transgender, you cannot crush who they are and it is wrong of you to do so. I know you are upset right now but please give yourself time because you will get used to it in the end.

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Thank you purple_spider GG. I can see that you see what on the inside. And NOT what on the outside of a human being. Maybe Cgg needs to learn from you.:love:

[Trudi_tv]

A good name is better to be desired than gold.

"... the greatest of these is LOVE"

"if I am with thee, who can be against thee?"

"as you love the least of these, so do you love me"

perhaps the most profound is simply...

"I am".



The Lord knows our heart. He knew us before we ever were. He knows if our name is in the book of Life.

[Alicia_lynn419]

I went through 2 purges between the ages of 27 an 30... I met my Ex.. she made me feel OK about me being me, (then she revoked her acceptance). but by then, I knew I could not/would not go back into the closet. Now at 39, i know who I am, and know I would never be happy trying to deny that side of myself - a lonely of a road to travel it might be.. I have to be true to myself.

[VtVicky]

Christian was on the verge of becoming famous at the very moment Sheena comes out of the closet??????

I'm sorry people, I know a lot of you have been really trying to understand and help these two, but, the more I read, the less I think the issue is crossdressing or fame.

These topics have become an arena in which these two people have chosen to do battle instead of something that is even more frightening to them. This means two things: One, crossdressing is not the most frightening thing in their marriage. And, two, by continuing this alleged conversation, they successfully ignore whatever the real problem is.

Sheena and Christian. Get off the computer and get to a serious therapist. The first question you ask your new therapist is: Do you know what the Arena Theory of marital communicaion is? If the answer is no, thank them for their time and go find someone else.

[Trisha]

nope would not i work hard allready have mony you need to get real and get a life

[Deborah]

As said before i would give it up. Then take the million dollars go get a sex change then i wouldn't be crossdressing anymore. :D

[Penny]

Would you give up YOUR dreams for a million? If so, then you are as shallow as this thread makes you appear. I hope I'm wrong. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I suggest you rethink your request. And take a real long look inside your heart. Take care.

SilkenPrincess
A bribe huh? Nothing ever seems to work out with the offerance or the acceptance of a bribe! Why jump off the deep end when you can only swim in shallow water.:(

[Mistybtm]

Yes I would if it was causing my love one distress (if I had one that is) Love is precious and it would not take any amount of money to do it either, I would live just to please her if she is happy and healthy that is all the reword I would need.
but for now I am alone and dress on a daily basis will continue to do so untill
it is harming another in any way.
I hope i can find some one who is completely understanding to the woman in me.
Misty

[~Dee~]

ok .. i feel kinda bleah replying to this thread.
to get to the actual question posed .. no, im not going to just drop things for a million dollars.
this is who i am... sooo .. whats money going to do to help that?
so essentially, you are asking:
"for a million dollars, would you go against your nature and be miserable for the rest of your life?"
hmm ... doesnt really sound like there'd be enough money on the planet for me to agree to that kind of thing.

in fact .. it kinda reminds me a bit of how that Devil guy is portrayed a lot of the times ... y'know .. hes the give with the pitchfork and the pointy tail who goes around offering you a bunch of kewl things in return for an eternity in hell after the fact .... ? :evil: :eek:

im 'putting' my wife through a great big change .. and yet shes right here with me. her co-workers know about me even and from what ive heard, even they support my choice.
if it ever came to a point where my lovely wife thinks im going to 'taint' something for her.. then i think its pretty easy to just say, its time we went seperate ways and were happy apart.
of course, i know that my dear wife wouldnt do something like that in a million years... cause she LOVES me.

but then .... to be honest, im finding it hard to believe that someone... anyone.. would come onto a crossdressers forum when they are having a problem with a crossdressing husband .. and ask a group of crossdressers for advice on how to stop this crossdressing 'habit' ... im with julia .. this all smacks of unreality.

and hey .. im the nieve one... arent i, Tamara? :p

[ReginaK]

Sure. I'd stop for a few million. But i'd use the money to get all the necessary surgery for feminizing myself. Then i'd be a FtM crossdressing MtF *******.

[Clare]

If someone were to give you a million dollars would you give up crossdressing?Nope! Crossdressing is a part of me - whether I can do anything about it or not!

Still, i'd like the million bucks regardless!

[Jodie_Lynn]

but then .... to be honest, im finding it hard to believe that someone... anyone.. would come onto a crossdressers forum when they are having a problem with a crossdressing husband .. and ask a group of crossdressers for advice on how to stop this crossdressing 'habit' ... im with julia .. this all smacks of unreality.

and hey .. im the nieve one... arent i, Tamara? :p


I agree with Dee here.

This smells of high melodrama. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am

[kwebb]

Alot here will come down hard on you but fame adds a whole nother level of stress to the whole thing.

If you make your mark, esp in Christian circles and it comes out that your husband CDs, it is over for you. Not speaking for them all, but the majority of church folk in this country can be the most judgemental and easily offened p.ple (sic) on the planet.

They simply ''don't play that" when it comes to somn like CDing, its the Devil plain and simple. They will not tolerate it. Then again you could get famous and it not be revealed.

On the other hand , I know about the overwhelming urge to go forth with it on Sheena's part. But I ask y'all, who is making the sacrifice/compromise ( afterall that is what marriage is all about right).

If Sheena is already dressing as much as she is, when you look at how many CDers have unaccepting and at times even scornful wives, shouldn't she count her blessings and at least try to meet Christian GG halfway?

No easy answers just hard hard choices= life.

[livy_m_b]

Christians aren't perfect people they are forgiven- in reference to the cardinal sins above

Whatever forgiveness may be, it's not an excuse.

[~Dee~]

Alot here will come down hard on you but fame adds a whole nother level of stress to the whole thing..

i agree .. fame can make things harder to deal with ...
but then again .. isnt the damage already done in that case?

i mean .. whether it was "is married to a cd'er" or "was married to a cd'er"
it can be twisted any which way a reporter wants it to go ..
and would the judgemental public really care about the tiny details? ..

afterall...judgemental people, by definition, are going to be judgemental.

and like what has already been said .. is there really any bad press in that sort of instance?

[ronda]

no amount of money can change who i am and i can not change who iam even if i wanted to most cross dressers are born cross dressers is not something you can just give up. i hope you take the right road on this one money will not make you happy later in life0.02 :happy:

[tgirlkari]

If someone were to give you a million dollars would you give up crossdressing?
This is Sheena's wife in her own account. I would like Sheena to give up crossdressing because I have the opportunity to become very famous and I don't want Sheena tainting that.
I think you should be ashamed of yourself, you dont want the one you love to taint your possibility of fame? Sheena needs to do herself a favor and go find someone who really loves her/him. I have purged a few times for someone only to be miserable. Crossdressing is a part of the persons phsyce its not going to go away,....trust me otherwise the person was never really a crossdresser

[~Kitty GG~]

I was on the verge of something really big and that is the precise time Sheena decided to come out of the closet. I was paralyzed for a month over it and now don't know exactly how to proceed. My life is on hold until I figure this out.

Its always good to have someone to blame for one's inability to succeed.

[~Kitty GG~]

Alot here will come down hard on you but fame adds a whole nother level of stress to the whole thing.

If you make your mark, esp in Christian circles and it comes out that your husband CDs, it is over for you. Not speaking for them all, but the majority of church folk in this country can be the most judgemental and easily offened p.ple (sic) on the planet.

They simply ''don't play that" when it comes to somn like CDing, its the Devil plain and simple. They will not tolerate it. Then again you could get famous and it not be revealed.

Someone who wants to become famous in said "christian circles" while living with someone "doing the devil's work" .. sounds very UN-christian to me..



On the other hand , I know about the overwhelming urge to go forth with it on Sheena's part. But I ask y'all, who is making the sacrifice/compromise ( afterall that is what marriage is all about right).

Who came up with that silly idea? If marriage is all about sacrifice/compromise.. I don't want any of it. I thought it was about loving and accepting the person YOU CHOSE. I thought it was about being happy together.

Silly me. I must be doing this wrong.

I thought that it was important to find solutions that WORK for BOTH parties.



If Sheena is already dressing as much as she is, when you look at how many CDers have unaccepting and at times even scornful wives, shouldn't she count her blessings and at least try to meet Christian GG halfway?

No easy answers just hard hard choices= life.

Giving up CDing is not meeting halfway. Meeting halfway would be for Sheena to dress LESS and for Christian to settle for something less than the fame she's talking about.

But again.. I don't believe in everyone having to be unhappy just keep two people together that aren't happy together. If you're not adding to eachother, building eachother up, working toward a common goal.. what's the point of being together?


Its not easy.. but it is simple.

And life should be lived.. not endured.

~Kitty~

[Kate Simmons]

Your absolutely right, Kitty. I "endured" for 30 years. Marriage is supposed to be about sharing and caring for one another, not "enduring". If it isn't working, it may be time to move on. Ericka

[SherriePall]

Dear Christian GG -- Your only reply to my first post was: Try reputation.
My question is whose reputation? Yours or Sheena's? I again suspect it's your reputation you worry and care about. Is that concern because of your reputation being damaged to the point where that fame (and ensuing financial benefits) are stiffled? Sorry, but I think you think too much about yourself. I won't bother you any more, but I will be praying for you and Sheena.

[livy_m_b]

Enduring is a conclusion one draws when it isn't working; don't endure! If you can't stay together with generosity and love, it's not worth anything.

[Lulie GG]

I'd take the million and the fame :tongueout

with that you can always get another partner

(tounge in cheek)

Lulie

[FionaAlexis]

If someone were to give you a million dollars would you give up crossdressing?


In a flash. I hate dressing as a man anyway. I only do it to fit in.

Fiona xx

[livy_m_b]

If someone were to give you a million dollars would you give up crossdressing?

"Um, do you have that in cash?"

Or

"I don't answer hypotheticals"

Or

"I only dress when I'm happy never when I'm cross"

Or

"I'm a little tired of negotiating terms, can't you just give me a million?"

Or

"Oh, I'm supposed to give up dressing so YOU can make a million?!"

Or

"If I give it up twice, will you give me two million?"

[Forum Admin]

This thread has gone on long enough. It is now being closed.

I don't need to put a reason, it is quite obvious.