angered to no end

[CharlaineCadence]

On so on the news this moring they caped on a story of a transsexual men who killed her wife and umped her ar the mall in mass. Now she wants the state to pay for her srs. It already pays for her hair removel and hoirmone shots.



BOSTON -- A man serving a life sentence for the murder of his wife wants the state to pay for his sex-change operation.

Robert Kosilek, 57, said denying his request amounts to cruel and unusual punishment.

A psychiatrist testified Tuesday before a federal judge that he believes Kosilek will kill himself if correction officials deny the surgery.

Kosilek was convicted of strangling his wife, Cheryl, in 1990.


A U.S. District Court judge in 2002 ruled that Kosilek -- who now goes by the name Michelle -- was entitled to treatment for gender identity disorder, but stopped short of ordering the state to pay for the sex-change operation. The state has paid for the transsexual's female hormones and laser hair removal.
As you can see from the artical she was rightfully denighed. I am sorry but I feel that seeing as to how she killer her wife bcause the wife would not go through with her having the transition it is not right that she gets what it is she wants. It seems she is being rewarded in the long run. how do you all feel.



State prison officials worry Kosilek will become a target for assault if he has the surgery and returns to the all-male prison where he's serving his sentence.

Neither side is giving an estimate on the cost of the sex-change operation.

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This is an oler transcript from the prosicuter frol a few years ago when she sued then.

AMERICAN MORNING WITH PAULA ZAHN
The Big Question: Do Inmates Have Too Many Rights?
Aired February 5, 2002 - 09:42 ET

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: The Big Question this hour. Do inmates have too many rights? It comes as a Massachusetts inmate serving a life sentence for killing his wife is asking the U.S. District Court in Boston to make the state pay for a sex change operation, so that he can serve out his term as a woman.

Seems pretty outrageous. Well you may remember, the last month, we brought you the story of California inmate who got a heart transplant at a cost of $1 million. Joining me now from Providence, John Moses an assistant district attorney who prosecuted the inmate, Robert Kosilek. Thanks very much for being with us, Mr. Moses.

JOHN D. MOSES, ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY: Morning, Anderson.

COOPER: This is one of those stories where you just kind of -- you shake your head at it, and say, you know, "You've got to be kidding me." You prosecuted Mr. Kosilek back in 1990. What was he convicted of?

MOSES: He was convicted of the first degree murder of his wife, Sheryl. He strangled her with a length of wire. Wrapped it around her neck three times and dumped her in the back of car and left her at a mall.

COOPER: Now was he -- was he -- I mean, prior to this murder, dressing as a woman, and during the trial, was he dressing as a woman?

MOSES: As -- well, during the trial, he -- he dressed as a woman -- he wore women's slacks and a woman's blouse. And his fingernails had grown long. There were instances prior to this murder, where apparently he had dressed as woman, but, at the time, that killed her, he had been wearing a beard.

COOPER: Now, he's been -- he's been in prison obviously since 1990. He is now suing the state, wanting hormone therapy and a sex- change operation. Sexual reassignment surgery. What was your reaction when you heard he was suing the state to get a sex change?

MOSES: Well, here's a person who is doing life without parole, and my first reaction is why in the world would we want to -- why would he want a -- to have a sex change operation. He's not supposed to be sexual in the prison. So my reaction was -- I was surprised by that. COOPER: Mr. Kosilek claims that being deprived of a sex change operation would be cruel and unusual punishment. I never went to law school, but is this cruel and unusual punishment? Not getting a sex change?

MOSES: He's not being punished in that way. He is doing life without parole for murder. The fact that he is serving a sentence, anybody serving a sentence is deprived of certain choices in his life. He was 41 years old when he killed Sheryl Kosilek. He didn't try to get a sex change operation at that time. Now he's 53 years of age, and he wants the state to pay for that?

COOPER: Let me ask you, we only have about a minute left. I guess there is a larger question here besides just this case. And the question is, "Where does this end?" I mean, if -- if a prisoner feels they have low self esteem, should we pay for a tummy tuck and a face- lift? Have prisoner's rights gotten out of control?

MOSES: Well, the right to treatment -- inmates do have a right to treatment. Where those boundaries are, how far we go in treating inmates and what conditions we treat, I think, is a question that the courts have to answer. And this is a case -- I think an extreme case -- where the trial judge is going to have to delineate, to some extent, where those boundaries are drawn.

COOPER: In the past, in other cases, apparently, prisoners have been given hormone therapy and counseling, but never a sex change operation, which I'm told can cost about $20,000. Just in the last couple seconds here. What's your gut feeling on this, your personal opinion? Do you think this is going to happen?

MOSES: I suspect that the judge will apply common sense and life experience to the evidence that's presented, and that he will probably find that the state need not provide these kinds of services to inmates doing life without parole.

COOPER: All right. John D. Moses, Assistant District Attorney. Thank you very much for joining us this morning. It is a bizarre case. Thanks very much for joining us.

[HaleyPink2000]

Just my 0.02 !!!!!!!!1

From first hand knowledge, working around Prisons.

Prisons in Illinois have a unit called “ Segregation “. It’s for people that can’t be in the General Population! As you say a target, people that would be at risk. Many of the people in these units have done things not liked by the General Population. This puts them at risk.0.02

[CharlaineCadence]

Ok this girl has been sueing since she first went into prison she didn't even start hormones or treatment untill after her wife's murder. According to some of the posts in the new york times and other boston news stations. She had killed her wife as a man and violently. If she and her wife shared her crossdressing to a point but is their proof. It was not untill after she killed her wife did she started dressing full time as a woman or even as a woman. When she was arrested and photographed she was dressed as a man and had a full beard. I am worried that this person is not only giving other transsexuals a bad name but is not really a transsexual. I know it sounds odd but could she just be playing the court? I dont really know what to think on this matter. but it enrages me so.

[HaleyPink2000]

Suing and prison!

Most prisoners find that in prison they have time to learn something about Law. Many of them file Suit against the State Government for something. Why, because they can. They find every little loop hole they can to file some type of Law Suit for what ever they can. Remember they have time on their hands. 0.02

[Cathleen]

I am worried that this person is not only giving other transsexuals a bad name but is not really a transsexual. I know it sounds odd but sould she just be playing the court? I dont really know what to think on this matter. but it enrages me so.

The following column that appeared in this morning's Boston Globe may answer your question, Charlaine. The author, Eileen McNamara, is a regular columnist with a history of sympathetic positions on gender and feminism issues and prisoner rights, and has been an outspoken critic of the Archdiocese of Boston and its mishandling of the abuse by priests issues. Her column pulls no punches when it comes to exposing Ms. Kosilek's fraud(s):

When gender isn't relevant

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/06/11/when_gender_isnt_relevant/
By Eileen McNamara, Globe Columnist -- June 11, 2006

The trial underway in federal court in Boston is not about the rights of transsexuals. It's about the manipulations of a murderer.

What US District Court Judge Mark L. Wolf must decide is not whether denying a sex change operation to Michelle, née Robert Kosilek, constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. It is whether the copious tears Kosilek shed on the stand last week are any more authentic than the crocodile tears he has been crying since he killed his wife 16 years ago.

Cheryl Kosilek's murder is not the subject of these proceedings, but it is worth recalling the circumstances and the aftermath of her death before deciding whether her killer is really at risk for suicide if the court does not order the sex-change surgery he seeks.

His sobs should not be the deciding factor. Kosilek has remarkable control of his tear ducts.

``My best friend has been killed, and they think I did it," the sobbing spouse told reporters in May 1990, while police searched a Mansfield condo for evidence to link him to her slaying. He allegedly strangled her with the wire from a hanging planter, dumped her body in the back seat of her car, and abandoned the gray Hyundai in the Emerald Square Mall in North Attleborough. ``I didn't do it. Of course I didn't. . . . I didn't do anything to her. I couldn't do that to anyone."

He shaved his beard and fled the state a few hours later. When police pulled him over on charges of speeding and driving drunk in New Rochelle, N.Y., the weepy fugitive told an officer: ``I can't call my wife. I murdered my wife." Then he fought extradition.

Brought back to Massachusetts five months later, Kosilek challenged the state's request for a psychiatric evaluation at Bridgewater State Hospital because, he said, he had been dismissed two years earlier for turning in guards who were abusing inmates. He had been fired, but not for the self-aggrandizing reason he had asserted. Kosilek was canned from the state Department of Correction facility for not mentioning on his job application the small matter of having served three years in prison in Illinois for theft and attempted burglary.

When he wasn't lying, Kosilek was crying. He cried at opening statements of his 1993 murder trial when his lawyer acknowledged that he had killed his wife, but that he must have done so in self-defense after Cheryl Kosilek had thrown tea at him. He said a drug- and alcohol-induced blackout had robbed him of a more precise memory of the crime.

It took the jury about 3 1/2 hours to convict him of first-degree murder.

By the time of his trial, Robert had changed his name to Michelle, had grown his hair past his shoulders, and had begun to dress as a woman. He sued the Bristol County sheriff, Donald Nelson, saying Nelson had denied him access to female hormones and, when that failed, he launched a write-in campaign for sheriff from his cell, representing what he called the ``New Woman Party."

Suicidally depressed? Master manipulator?

No one is arguing that gender dysphoria is not a legitimate disorder, or that psychic distress does not accompany the conviction that one is a woman in a man's body. In 2002, Wolf acknowledged as much, ruling that Kosilek ``has a serious medical need which is not being properly treated," and ordering the state to provide regular psychotherapy. Kosilek has been receiving daily female hormone injections while incarcerated.

Now, this wife killer is back at the well, demanding surgery to complete his transition to anatomical womanhood. Cosmetic surgery on his nose and Adam's apple would be nice, too. The compassionate jurist has done as much as is reasonable to make a convicted killer comfortable in his own skin. This time, Wolf should just say ``no."

``Death is not the greatest loss of life," the tearful murderer told the court last Thursday. ``The greatest loss is dying a little bit inside every day."

Cheryl Kosilek never had that choice.

Eileen McNamara is a Globe columnist. She can be reached at [email protected]

[joanlynn28]

We have a somewhat similar case here in San Diego, recently a man was arrested for robbing a large number of banks around Southern California. The man told the judge in court that he was transgendered and only robbed banks because noone would hire him because of his transgendered condition. He did rob all the banks dressed as a woman. Needless to say the judge was not sympathetic to the felon and neither am I. Wheither he is truely transgendered or not it is not an excuse to go around robbing banks and other financial institutions.

[CharlaineCadence]

That sheds alot of light and sorry to say also make me feel evenm more that this might be some short if sharod he/she if pulling hopeing to get people on his side. They never as far as I can find proved that hed was even interested in crossdressing and or changing genders prior to the murder of his wife. The only thing is that it was after a while in prison waiting for trial that he began doing so. I'm very sorry if I sound cold but being that I lost a wife to murder I find this person very fishing and feel that in my own self thoughts that it is all a show. I is a pitty that inmates have more rights then we do because I honestly would love to read all the notes both medicaly and leagle dealing with this person. I would also love to know how far back his feelings went because simply I find the whole thing to hard to swallow. I know it is not 100% far fetched but hard to swallow in this case yes.

It reminds me of something I read about a person who tried to use the fact that they where transsexual to get out of jury duty.

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