Discrimination

[noname]

I'm sure many of you will agree with me, but I think it's just sick how society discriminates against guys. As I pointed out to my wife, I would love to wear french manicured nails. You know what though, realistically you'd get fired for something like that. As we all know it's not just nails, it's a lot of different things.

I'll share my favorite quote for women, "because it's different when you do it".

[Samantha?]

I agree, however! I also think that every single group of every type gets discriminated against, with no exceptions. This can mean gender, crossdressing, sexual oriantation, race, or even the music you listen to. The most we can do is not treat ourselves nor anybody else as "weird" or the like, and just try and act like compassionate human beings toward one another.

[Sarah Rabbit]

Patience Sister noname, patience Sister Samantha...Change will come about eventually. But to go marching in force down the road waving the flag may just cause resentment..Change comes in time. My mother used to drive Taxis in Kings Cross Sydney....The 'Girls' (i.e. CD's) from the Burleque Shows had to take Cabs to there watering holes After the 'Shows' for fear of being 'Arrested' for Lewd behaviour. They were checked by the COPS, to see if they were wearing female underwear as they were leaving And that was as Late as the 1970's

Sarah R. :bunny:

[noname]

"Patience Sister noname, patience Sister Samantha...Change will come about eventually."

So true, and always so slow. I don't know that I really consider myself a cd'er. I'm just really tired guys clothing options. Women wear whatever color and style they want, pants sure, skirts go right ahead, dresses? you got it. color, style, and patterns, but of course.

Because it's different when women do it.

// End rant

[swiss_susan]

Just my 2 cents,

Waiting till society changes is about as useful as holding your breath. Change requires action.

We disciminate against ourselves far more than society does. Afterall we sit here and rave about how they should accept us, and yet here we are instead of being there. Ho0w can we be accepted if we are hiden in the closet. We have accepted the stigma placed on us. How can we expect society to accept us if we don't accept ourselves.

I am as guilty as the next person. If more of us just refused to conform to societies norms then there would be little choice but to accept us. Sadly most of us (myself included) are too scared.

Susan

[BlueKat]

I'm sure many of you will agree with me, but I think it's just sick how society discriminates against guys. As I pointed out to my wife, I would love to wear french manicured nails. You know what though, realistically you'd get fired for something like that. As we all know it's not just nails, it's a lot of different things.I'll share my favorite quote for women, "because it's different when you do it".
It'll never happen. Why? Guys don't wear french manicured nails. end of story. :rolleyes:

[Karren H]

I know a bunch of women that would let you have their finger nails if they got equal pay and or an elimation of the corporate glass ceiling! Personally I'd be breaking them off working on the car or crawling arounnd underground! And I'm always catching them on my hose and causing runs!! :D

Love Karren

[NewbieCD]

I know a bunch of women that would let you have their finger nails if they got equal pay and or an elimation of the corporate glass ceiling! Personally I'd be breaking them off working on the car or crawling arounnd underground! And I'm always catching them on my hose and causing runs!! :D

Love Karren
Ha ha I love the way you put it. Life is not fair as i have said before but everyone has to face some kinda discremination. So no matter what just have fun with who you are love who you are and times will change.

[Kimberley]

Interesting.

All this proactive talk yet when I made a suggestion about helping youth (at a distance) I was shot down.

Physician heal thyself?

I wonder.

[noname]

"How can we be accepted if we are hiden in the closet. We have accepted the stigma placed on us. How can we expect society to accept us if we don't accept ourselves."

I don't hide, I wear what I want. Well not all the time I guess, I don't go over to friends homes dressed wearing what I like.

Guys don't get french manicures? I had one a couple of weeks ago. Don't even start that equal pay crap and glass ceiling. I think I've experienced more of that than most women, and frankly don't think it really even exists. The only way I've gotten ahead in life was changing jobs.

As for my nails, I love getting them done. I've been unemployed for months, so I know thats soon to end. Really, it's about time somesome stand up to this crap. It's amazing how people get freeked out over nail color. It's just a color people.

As always, because it's different when women do it.

I need to make that my sig

[Marla S]

Basically there is a difference between a fashion statement and to be completaly dolled up on the one side, and jobs with fashion standards and those without on the other (heard of an US company that fires employees if they smoke at home :rolleyes: ).

If you just got french manicured nails having a job without fashion standards it shouldn't be a big deal. You will get some stares and maybe giggles but that's all too common for any fashion statement that is a bit different.
(i.e. tatoos were quite wicked until they became fashion).

For feminine fashion statements there is the general problem that people tend to accosiate it with sexuality and perversion, similar as they once associated tatoos with jailbirds or seamen.

Depending on your job, if you behave as always, being a nice guy I see no real problems having french manicured nails (or other things), and if you do, you will contribute to uncouple the view on feminine dressed men from perversion.

I wear nail polish since a while and never got mocked (not in my presence). I got some stares though, but what did I expect, that's part of why I am doing it.

[CaptLex]

Don't even start that equal pay crap and glass ceiling. I think I've experienced more of that than most women, and frankly don't think it really even exists.
As someone who has faced discrimination and prejudice based on my sex, ethnicity, religion and even choice of a livelihood, I feel for anyone who is discriminated against for any reason, and this includes you, noname. However, it seems to me that many who feel that life treats them unfairly seek to take down, and point fingers at, others who they feel are getting the advantages that they're missing. I can attest that the equal pay and glass ceiling situation is very much alive and well, and neither the discrimination these people face nor the discrimination you face is fair.

Feel free to rant away about how you're treated, but please don't keep saying it's different when women do it. Lots of things are different for women, and much of it is unfair to them too.

[SherryLynn GG]

I'm sure many of you will agree with me, but I think it's just sick how society discriminates against guys. As I pointed out to my wife, I would love to wear french manicured nails. You know what though, realistically you'd get fired for something like that. As we all know it's not just nails, it's a lot of different things.

I'll share my favorite quote for women, "because it's different when you do it".

So its only men that get discriminated against??? Think about this, as a man if you decide to walk on the beach with no shirt on its fine...but what if a woman did it?? she'd probably get arrested right?? If you go into a store with your shirt unbuttoned showing your chest people think nothing of it right?? What if a woman went in doing the same thing with no bra on...im sure she'd be asked to button up

it goes both ways and if you wanna have a french manicure i dont see what it would matter in MOST jobs, im sure there would be some employers that wouldnt allow it...but some dont allow piercings or tattoos either and that has nothing to do with being man or woman.

And your quote can work both ways as well...not to mention did you know that some jobs even have restrictions for womens nails???

[noname]

"I can attest that the equal pay and glass ceiling situation is very much alive and well"

Well, yeah I've experienced it. I used to work at this wood manufacturing place, and I applied several times over a number of years for a clerk position, I was told that it required complicated things such as email and computers etc.... Never mind I was in school about to get my IT degree. ( they knew that too ) So yes I know all about the glass ceiling. So after several years of this I got sick working in harassing rough envirnment, I quit. Why? Because it was obvious they liked me where I was and never had any intention of moving me. Lots of reason I suppose, because I didn't drink beer and go out with the guys, or perhaps I didn't find their constant sex jokes funny. who know. Oh btw they gave the clerk job to a girl who had never used windows and didn't even know how to minimize a window.

"Lots of things are different for women, and much of it is unfair to them too."

Guess I just dont' see how. Not only can they dress how they want, they can stay at home or work part time or even be a professional with a good career. Society accepts all of those as acceptable options.

Ok, the shirt thing is true in most places. I dunno where you live but where I live women accentuate (sp?) them. I know several times I wonder how there not falling out of their shirts. Come to think of it, they can show more of their top half than I can. How much do you want to bet that if I wore a shire with the small straps over the shoulder I'd get started, heck or even if I wore a shirt as low cut as they wear I'd get stared at.

But I think were all on the same page that discrimination against anyone is not a good thing, no matter who you are.

[Sarah Rabbit]

Just my 2 cents,

Waiting till society changes is about as useful as holding your breath. Change requires action.



Susan

Hi Susan.When in Doubt..Please see Post #3 :happy: Rome was not built in a day

Sarah R. :bunny:

[Sarah Rabbit]

Interesting.

All this proactive talk yet when I made a suggestion about helping youth (at a distance) I was shot down.

Physician heal thyself?

I wonder.
Kimberly, that is something different altogether...One day when we are accepted, then such good intentions as your idea will be understood and not misconstrued..

Sarah R. :bunny:

[CaptLex]

But I think were all on the same page that discrimination against anyone is not a good thing, no matter who you are.
Amen - that's all I was trying to say. :Peace:

[BlueKat]

But I think were all on the same page that discrimination against anyone is not a good thing, no matter who you are.
The title of this thread is misleading.
This isn't an issue of discrimination.

Here's the deal...you can wear whatever you want.
There aren't any laws that tell you that you can't wear something.
But...will everyone be tolerant and/or accepting of what you choose to wear?
No, probably not. Does that bother you?
If it bothers you, then don't wear it. It's that simple. Really.

[Bernice]

Just remember: the grass is always greener on the other side.

I see how women in other countries (African and Islamic mostly) are treated, and I have to laugh when noname complains about discrimination against men. Yes, I am just as frustrated as he/she is. But seriously, we all discriminate, even if all we do is notice a difference between men and women. We are so much more alike than we are different! Furthermore, there is no sharp dividing line between men and women, as we who are close to the middle know only too well.

For the most revealing answer to this supposition, I think we should hear from some who have transitioned M to F. I suspect they will tell you the grass is always greener on the other side.

[lela]

If most of society could see forums like this one, they would see that we're not just a bunch of weird sickos. They would see that we're genuine good people who happen to love and express our feminine side. If they consider us weird sickos, they better look real hard, because there are a lot of us out there.
I agree with you, why can't a man get and wear a french manicure? I bought a pair of pink flip flops, polished my toenails pink and was wearing them with a pair of ladies jeans, and a scooped neck pink tee. I would love to be able to wear that outfit out and about, but society dictates what is right and what is wrong. Well, society better wake up, we're here and we not going away.
Most would be shocked at the number of us. There's way too much tagging going on in society. Let society tag all of the women who wear men's clothes on a daily basis.0.02

[discovery]

Hey We just need to begin to be comfortable with ourselves. I am a over 50 african american in a very conservative environment (marriage, work and religious). Everyone assumes I am so conservative when the see me in tailored suits and shirt/ tie. THEy could not be more WRONG!!!!

I finally, with my wife, went out for the weekend and got a pedicure and manicure FRENCH!!!!. I have been wearing it for at least a week to work and church believe it or not. It looks great and that comes from the salon personnel that were there at the time. I HAVE JUST GOTTEN SICK AND TIRED OF BEATING MYSELF UP ABOUT WHO I AM. I am not going to do this anymore. This is who I am and besides the french manicure looks wonderful. It really looks classy especially after working in the dirt all week. Ladies Please do NOT cheat yourself out of many of lifes simple harmless pleasures and of being who you are. My wife was going to leave me last year when I told her. This year she is actually beginning to accept me and assist me being who I am in finding places were I can be comfortabel and things to wear that are not the MALE drab.
Get the manicure and carry yourself with confidence hold your head up and people will respond to you in kind. Whatever you do - do it in good taste

[typical_guy]

GREAT POST DISCOVERY!!! I loved your post. It's so what's going on with me, although I haven't had a year go by yet. I've got my toenails done but not fingernails yet. I may go for a french manicure soon though.

I'm luckier than a lot of you, it's obvious. I'm young, I'm thin, I work for the government in liberal washington DC. TONS of my coworkers are very liberal and very open minded. i've even shown a few of them my PINK toenails. it's great to be able to be open and who i am. now don't get me wrong, i'm not going to wear a skirt to work, but tomorrow is friday and i'm going to wear women's low rise jeans and black panties under them. :)

i had shaved all my hair except my arms about 3 weeks ago and no one said A THING and i have TONS of hair. my chest was literally sprouting hair out of my shirt front all over. no one said ONE THING about me shaving it. then last sunday i shaved my arms and wore shortsleaved shirts to work the entire week. no one said a word. some people looked, and i noticed them looking, but none said anything. i had an interview today with a guy doing my background investigation, he looked at my arms and shaved hands and didn't say or ask anything about them. there's nothing against the law or against the rules of government to shaving your body hair and working in government. i feel so lucky that i have the ability to have a good job and still be who i am with the exception of night wearing a skirt to work. :)

[jai.says]

For the longest time, I was concerned about people saying something about my shaving habits and you know, someone will eventually speak up. I've just come to the point where I don't care any more.

I was at a pool party last weekend and a GG came up to me with the slightest look of disgust/confusion and said,

"You shave your armpits!?!"
"Yeah," I said. "Don't you?"
"Um, yeah? 'Cause I'm a girl." she replied.
"Well that's a really stupid reason, isn't it?" I said and dove into the pool.

Freedom, baby! I'm gonna take it!

jai

[typical_guy]

Wow that's great! I'd have just told her, "yeah i'm a crossdresser!" and seen her reaction. i'm at the point now that i just don't give a crap. one of my coworkers actually said something about my shaved arms and i took off my shoes and socks and showed her my pink toenails. it's like, who REALLY cares? my shaving and painting habits have NOTHING to do with my job and no one really cares anyway. the woman i showed them to certainly doesn't care. i told her i'm a Bi CD and she brought in all these gay porn books for me to look at the next day....evidently she's into watching gay men having sex! wow...the things you learn about others when you just don't care if they know about you.

[jai.says]

Good for you! That's amazing. Call me crazy, but your "typical guy" name is losing relevance ;)

[Ibuki_Warpetal]

i told her i'm a Bi CD and she brought in all these gay porn books for me to look at the next day....evidently she's into watching gay men having sex! wow...the things you learn about others when you just don't care if they know about you.
Hilarity.

People will look at you strangely, given the chance, but chances are they are hiding something equally strange/taboo.
--
You'll have the most fun if you do what you want and stand up for your beliefs. I feel so strongly about what I believe in I am never contradicted by the people around me. Nobody asks why the hair on my arms suddenly disappears, or why I sometimes don't cut my nails, or why my hair is long.
They are just like "wtf long" and I'm just like stfu nub". (:

[noname]

"You shave your armpits!?!"
"Yeah," I said. "Don't you?"
"Um, yeah? 'Cause I'm a girl." she replied.
"Well that's a really stupid reason, isn't it?" I said and dove into the pool.

Freedom, baby! I'm gonna take it!



Good responce. People sure are funny that way. I have a sister who says the same type of thing

[Jackie-Ann]

So its only men that get discriminated against??? Think about this, as a man if you decide to walk on the beach with no shirt on its fine...but what if a woman did it?? she'd probably get arrested right?? If you go into a store with your shirt unbuttoned showing your chest people think nothing of it right?? What if a woman went in doing the same thing with no bra on...im sure she'd be asked to button up

it goes both ways and if you wanna have a french manicure i dont see what it would matter in MOST jobs, im sure there would be some employers that wouldnt allow it...but some dont allow piercings or tattoos either and that has nothing to do with being man or woman.

And your quote can work both ways as well...not to mention did you know that some jobs even have restrictions for womens nails???

Hi,SherryLynn GG, discrimination is a topic that my wife and I talk about a lot.
I said in other posts that I love history and you being a GG can relate to the past and the present women's discrimination. Human societies have their rules since the beginning of civilization. Some pagan societies were leaned towards women, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic faith and their societies were and are not. They are all male dominated and women paid the price. Though the Judeo-Christian faiths in the latter days have improved compared with the Islamic faith,we still have a long way to go. Regarding your comment on how women have to keep their breast cover, that's only the tip of the iceberg.

[Jackie-Ann]

For the longest time, I was concerned about people saying something about my shaving habits and you know, someone will eventually speak up. I've just come to the point where I don't care any more.

I was at a pool party last weekend and a GG came up to me with the slightest look of disgust/confusion and said,

"You shave your armpits!?!"
"Yeah," I said. "Don't you?"
"Um, yeah? 'Cause I'm a girl." she replied.
"Well that's a really stupid reason, isn't it?" I said and dove into the pool.

Freedom, baby! I'm gonna take it!

jai

Hi,jai.says,when I was working and living in the U.S. someone noted the hair on my arms disappeared. I told him that I have a skin disease and needed peeling to remove the affected areas.He stared at me kind of doubting and I said: do you want to see my balls ?