Whats wrong with Closet dressing?

[Janereed]

hello everyone,


There is people sometimes quite blatantly telling you to "Get out of the crossdressing closet" "Tell people" etc.
Im not drilling anyone one member is particular, but its genrally the older amoungst us, telling us young-uns. It can really confuse one, make them feel rejected or worse.

We are all differnt, heck thats why were on these forums! But essentailly CROSS Dressing is just that, you cross between Male and Female Clothing, but what some dont seem to understand is that not eveyone feels, and more importantly ever WANTs to "leave the closet"(a term I hate). Truely comming out and going full time would correctly be termed transvestite.

I will probably always dress up in my life, but I never want to potentially ruin my Male life just because I occasionally wear a Dress.

Does anyone else get this feeling? Ie, being pressured into Full time?

Please no fighting, Im not insulting the older, Im just asking that you give the youth the same respect you would ask for on this important issue.

Love, Jane

[femboi (san diego)]

If coming out is too much for you, or even if you simply don't like the idea of it, then don't, Enjoy it the way you are. Just be honest with yourself. Make sure that's what you really want.

[tekla west]

I only tell people they have to say when they are about to make a commitment in an intimate relatinship. I try to encourage those who seem to want to, but don't have a cheerleader squad of thier own. I'm all for people staying within whatever comfort range they have. Don't read encouragement for others as pressure on you. I'm sure none of us means that at all.

[Jessica Brekke]

I think you're going to hear this answer a lot, but cross-dressing is different for everyone. Many of us never come out of the closet ever, and still somehow manange to fend off dispair. :heehee:

I'm still exploring the boundries of what I'd like to do, but the more I try, the more I'm finding that I don't really like the idea of being out in public. I've gone out once to a meeting of other cross-dressers, and earlier tonight, I went to a bar where a lot of CD's go (Tonight, I was en homme). The more I see and experience, the more I feel that this is a private thing for me and may well never go beyond that.

I think you should do what you feel is right for you, and not worry about other people's opinions. Expecially not the people here. No one is here to judge you. They're here to support you and in turn hopefully, get support from you.

That said, in the unlikely event that someone here does insist that you must cross-dress in public or you will be unfulfilled, then I suggest you take a long hard look at that person's name... so that you remember to ignore their advice in the future. :tongueout

[lady lycra]

I'm all for staying in the closet, but a handful of my friends know of my desires.

In or out, it's up to you.
As much as I'd like to go into town in a dress, I never will. I don't want to put myself through that. It's not just me, but my family too.

The people who know about me are people I trust. They are great about it, but have never seen me dressed. I'm hoping this will change soon.
My wife and I are discussing things again, and it's looking promising... Famous last words :)

So tell who you want to tell. Say nothing if you prefer. How we enjoy or hobby is up to us. Crossdressing is a broad chruch, there's room for us all.

Don't feel pressured to to do what you are not comfortable doing.

Linda

[Teresa Amina]

The nice thing about this forum is that our "common interest" outweighs all those differences in approach. At 50 I guess I'm one of those "older" members but, while I'm itching to get out, for the moment it's nice in here. You have to find your own comfort level, but as life progresses you may find going out more appealing than now.

[Charleen]

No pressure darlin'. We all do want we want to do when we want to do it. I was hidden for over 30 years. Now, my situation has changed, and with it my life and so has my CDing. It is what ever you are comfortable with. I have read on the posts that as we get older something happens, and for lack of a better way to put it, our life style gets stronger in us. That appears to certainly be the case in me, and might explain your comment about us "older" girls. Nobody is right or wrong in this. It is up to the person to find they're own level of comfort whether it is only wearing panties occasionally, up to going l out dressed in any degree and being o.k. with that. What ever you do though, enjoy yourself! Love and xxxx, Lily

[sandra-leigh]

Truely comming out and going full time would correctly be termed transvestite.

Not meaning to take away anything from your posting, but as a matter of terminology:

"transvestite" is defined in different ways by different groups of doctors. I have seen at least 4 groups of definitions:

a) that transvestitism is a mental illness characterized by having cross-dressed (in any respect, at any time) over a period of 6 months or more [i.e., excludes those who experiment over a short time and stop]

b) that transvestitism is a mental illness that is identical to cross-dressing, regardless of location or duration

c) that transvestitism consists of getting erotic pleasure from cross-dressing

d) that transvestitism is a fetish -- that is, a transvestite is someone who finds it difficult or impossible to derive sexual pleasure without crossdressing

None of the definitions I have seen for transvestite had anything to do with going public.

Interestingly, the division I found was relatively sharp: that to some (e.g., in the official US list of psychiatric disorders), nearly anything to do with crossdressing is officially considered a mental illness to be cured or treated (where did we hear that before? Oh yah, it was for homosexuality) -- and to others, it's just another sexual kink that is only a Problem if it starts controlling your life. Where transvestite is defined in terms of sexual pleasure, usually cross-dressing is distinguished as not being about sexual pleasure -- and a lot of those people seem to be in the camp of "there isn't anything inherently harmful in cross-dressing, and many people find it -helpful-, so 'treatment' is a matter of learning self-acceptance".

[MarinaTwelve200]

I TOO am "in the closet", so to speak---but I prefer to call it PRIVATE crossdressing. I beleive thay my style of CD has different "roots" than that which compels other CDers to go out and "show off" or whatever.

But I am NOT compelled or feel a need to CD in public any more than I would go out naked or releive myself in public---To ME CD is a private thing I do from time to time.

Now I can sympathise with with a CD type that is COMPELLED to go out, but who does not, out of FEAR (or common sense ;) ) That IS a sad situation, but I have discovered in MY case that I dont have that urge and I look on MY CD as a private function that no one needs to see but myself.---and I am perfectly happy. As an above poster said we are all different. And thats cool with me.

[Sally24]

I am one of the "older" members here, but new to the forum. The only pressure I sense here is for people to come to terms with who they are and what they need. Many are completely secluded from anyone else in their lives and that is generally not good. It helps to have at least one of two people who you can talk to about any problems, be they about CDing or anything else. If this forum is your only outlet, then at least you have some way to vent and talk. But it isn't a great substitute for a real live person in you life. Is "coming out" right for everyone, of course not. As several posters have said, for some it is a very private personal thing and that is enough. Most of us are just concerned that girls don't keep this their deep dark secret. That can be unhealthy and secrets have a way of coming out on their own. If you have a SO, it is very important that they be involved in some way, if possible.

That being said, I personally am only out to my wife and some CDs. I am able to get out as Sally and maintain my male life as is. I feel much more comfortable with myself since I started actively dressing and going out. I don't have to do it all the time, but I do have to do it.

[sandra-leigh]

As much as I'd like to go into town in a dress, I never will. I don't want to put myself through that. It's not just me, but my family too.

I've been publicly cross-dressing for about 20 months (though my SO doesn't know yet), and the bottom has NOT fallen out of my world, I dont' get people driving past my door and wagging their finger in Shame! Shame! Shame!; I haven't been fired (my management doesn't know and no-one's bothered to tell them); if preachers are preaching in their pulpits about me, they haven't bothered to mention it to me. In the meantime, though, I -have- gone out and socialized and talked to people as a CDer and enjoyed myself a lot more than in my pre CD'ing years of massive overwork.

The city I live in is about 600,000, which is big enough to be anonymous in theory, but in practice here one tends to encounter people one knows in unexpected places. It's a risk, but it hasn't been a problem in practice, not even when I've gone shopping en femme to the big grocery stores about 10 blocks in either direction. (okay, so I'm a bit restrained when I go to the deli 5 houses down the road -- but I've gone en femme to the convience store two long blocks away. BNot that I worry about the local deli people Having A Problem with seeing me en femme or mildly genderf*ing, but there is too much of a risk that they'd accidently compliment my clothes to my SO...)

[Tina Dixon]

I'm still in the closet, my own secret little world, but has been discovered witch is a strange feeling, but I have also been out a bit dressed, not much, a couple of transformations done and a couple of drives and the thrill is really amazing, but the closet does make you feel safe.

[sandra-leigh]

As much as I'd like to go into town in a dress, I never will. I don't want to put myself through that. It's not just me, but my family too.

Ah, forgot a train of thought! (I thought I thought that thought...)

Perhaps for you, cross-dressing out of town is a workable solution? Our local CD'ing club is fairly friendly, and from what I've been reading in the forums, it appears that there are some very large and active CD'ing social clubs in some cities.

An example I happen to know about:
There is a store in Toronto Ontario Canada, wildside.org, that rents accomedation (i.e., motel-like), and offers get-away packages that includes visiting their store to pick out some things to wear, then getting a make-over, and tips on places to visit. So for a weekend (or however long) you get to "live as a woman", staying at a place that you know for sure won't have even the slightest objection.

[Shelly Preston]

hello everyone,


There is people sometimes quite blatantly telling you to "Get out of the crossdressing closet" "Tell people" etc.
Im not drilling anyone one member is particular, but its genrally the older amoungst us, telling us young-uns. It can really confuse one, make them feel rejected or worse.

Please no fighting, Im not insulting the older, Im just asking that you give the youth the same respect you would ask for on this important issue.

Love, Jane

Hi Jane
We all have slightly different versions of the closet.
For some no one knows, for others it may be just there spouse or a few close friends.
Now as to getting out of the closet ??? well thats your choice and yours alone. However you have to balance that against the risk of getting caught and the consequences.

The idea of coming out to friends can have risks for you job etc.

The idea of coming out to a (future) spouse is another matter the relationship should be based on trust. if you dont tell them it can be disasterous if they find out later. The posts on this forum should tell you that.

[Angie G]

Some don't understand or even want to try to, it kike we may catch it or if your not like me your wrong go away.
My wife knows I dress and she is all I want to know.
I'm happy staying home or sometimes driving at night dressed I don't need others to know it works for me.
Do whatever works for you.
Angie G.

[typical_guy]

To be honest, I see no reason to do what you are not comfortable doing. Do what feels comfortable to you!


Speaking from my own personal experience, the main benifit to coming out is that you can talk to other people about it. I've gone shopping with female friends and even got a pedicure at a local salon with a female friend. You don't have to do everything alone and the world is a LOT LESS scary when you have some people that are accepting of you, talk to you about it, and will generally allow you to be yourself - YOUR COMPLETE SELF. When I'm around the people that know, I feel so much more comfortable. When I first started meeting people, it was so different. It was like I could be myself for the first time in my life. It's a great feeling.

If you are not sure about meeting people, try making a craigslist ad. Try making a "platonic friendship" post looking for a female to go out and go shopping with you. It's worked for me in the past and it helps you find open minded people. Once you meet an open minded person and if you two get along and hang out from time to time then you can meet their friends eventually and in the end you'll probably know more accepting people.

If you try it, just make sure thta you click on your city on the right hand side before you make the ad or you'll post in SF or something.

www.craigslist.com

[Emma England]

Dressing in private at home is fine. Something I still do myself (apart from always wearing panties, and sometimes pantyhose when not hot).

I do find it restricting, and find there are only certain times that dressing can be done at home.

It is frustrating more than anything. Frustration leads to a desire to have the freedom to wear clothes when and wear you want.

In my situation, I don't have too many friends (the ones that I am friendly with, I will never give them the opportunity).

I am at a stage of almost wanting to walk out in public - even just along the beach for a start. But that is my own choice.

Please don't feel pressurised into doing something that you are not comfortable with.

[Mistress_Thorny]

To me it is all about comfort level. Only you can live your life. If you are happy with who you are and the level your dressing takes no one can take that from you.

I think alot of people who suggest coming out are those that have found freedom and release from living their lives in the manner they wish without having to hide or lie to any one. They wish to share that feeling with all other CD's.

But I don't believe anyone is saying that you should disrupt your live potentially hurting people you love and endargering your place you have worked hard to carve in this world by telling everyone that you like to wear panties under your slacks.

I do agree that bringing someone into an intimate relationship with you should take alot of thought about the level of honesty you have with this person. Is it fair to enter into a new relationship with secrets? How wonderful it is to share not just a piece of yourself with someone you love but all of you. But even then it is a risk that some just can not take. The chance of being outted is just too great.

Again, only you can choose and I personally hope it is the right choice for you!

I wish you well

[Kate Simmons]

Nothing wrong with it at all Hon. The bottom line is that you have to be comfortable with yourself regardless of what you choose to do. Ericka:happy:

[typical_guy]

After reading Mistress Thorny's post it brought something to mind that I've been thinking about for a while. If the person you're dating does not know about your CDing, when is the right time to tell them?

On one hand, you don't want to tell everyone in the world. There's no reason everyone has to know your every intimate detail. On the other hand, if the person is not comfortable with crossdressers and would never be happy with one, then you do not want to waste their time (or yours) by continuing to date them in a romantic way.

After some careful considerinat I've thought that maybe somewhere from the 2-5 date would probably be best. Does anyone else have any idea of this? I mean clearly you shouldn't do it on the first since it may not work out anyway and there's no reason you should make it known to every first date. If things aren't going well anyway, why even bring it up? If things start going well and you feel like you're connecting, I'd think you should probably tell them before you get too deep into the relationship since if they aren't okay with it you'd more or less be leading them on and wasting their time.

It's tough, has anyone else considered when it's appropriate to tell someone you're dating?

[Mistress_Thorny]

I have always thought that maybe going around the subject is a good way to feel out how this person might feel.

Going to a drag show as a straight couple maybe. then discussing the drag queens.. slipping in the question of "how do you think I would look in womens clothes?"

this would be a great way to break the ice and also keep it in a not so personal vein. You are able to feel her out. SOme women are just grossed out by Men in women's clothing and usually very vocal. If she shows some intrest then she might be more open minded.

The best case senerio would be a response of. Lets see what you would look like in a dress and makeup...

I wish you well *ss*

[Cathy J]

Oh! How I dislike that term! I prefer to think of my style of crossdressing as "private" and I like it that way. I have absolutely no desire to "out" as some say and I must remain secretive or completely devastate my SO as she totally depends on me as her "Male" father figure.
I've been doing it this way for over fifty years and hope to continue for many more.
Bottom line: You do it your way and I'll do it mine, but support for others never hurts.

Love y'all

[Stephenie S]

hello everyone,


There is people sometimes quite blatantly telling you to "Get out of the crossdressing closet" "Tell people" etc.
Im not drilling anyone one member is particular, but its genrally the older amoungst us, telling us young-uns. It can really confuse one, make them feel rejected or worse.

We are all differnt, heck thats why were on these forums! But essentailly CROSS Dressing is just that, you cross between Male and Female Clothing, but what some dont seem to understand is that not eveyone feels, and more importantly ever WANTs to "leave the closet"(a term I hate). Truely comming out and going full time would correctly be termed transvestite.

I will probably always dress up in my life, but I never want to potentially ruin my Male life just because I occasionally wear a Dress.

Does anyone else get this feeling? Ie, being pressured into Full time?

Please no fighting, Im not insulting the older, Im just asking that you give the youth the same respect you would ask for on this important issue.

Love, Jane

Dear Jane,

I think that perhaps you are misunderstanding the encouragement that you are feeling from some of the other members of this BB. I have not seen ANY post that insists you "have to get out of the CD closet" or that you "have to tell others". Quite the contrary, I see a celebration of our diversity here. We are all different and yet united by our common bond of enjoying feminine atire. Some of us just wear panties and hose under drab, and some go all out. And then there is the wide range inbetween.

So PLEASE don't think that anyone is pressuring you to do ANYTHING. We all love and support you whatever your level of involvement. I know that all here would agree with me on this.

Now, that said, the encouragement you may be feeling has to do with our desire to help you (really us all) to get over the fear of doing something you really do not need to be afraid of. If your desire to remain in the closet is just that, a desire to remain in the closet, then keep doing it. But if your desire to remain in the closet is based on fear, shame, or guilt, we want to help you
overcome that.

I have only my own experience to draw on. (Actually now that I have found this BB, I have the experience of others here also) But personally I KNOW that if I had had the encouragement of this board 40 - 50 years ago I would be a far better person today. And I would be much further out of the closet.
Instead I spent ALL that time closeted, hiding my desires, building an elaborate facade of masculinity to hide how I really felt inside. Almost all of my "masculinity" was not the real me. I had to be a "male chauvinist pig", I had to stay out of the kitchen and laundry, I had to burp and fart loudly in public, get falling down drunk with the guys, never do a lick of housework, Be disdainful of women's accomplishments, etc.,etc. All of this was made up in order to convince myself and others that I was a "real guy". What a waste of a life!!!

So if you feel a bit of encouragement to get "out of the closet", don't take it personal. At least on my part, it's just a desire to help someone avoid the problems that I lived.

On a practical level most of the more experienced here do advocate telling your spouse or SO just because when it does come out, (and make no mistake, it will come out, sooner or later) the consequences can be devastating to both of you. The issue of trust is almost always more important than the issue of CDing to your spouse.

And Jane, dear, never say never.

Lovies,
Stephenie

[susiej]

Girls,

Speaking for me alone, I must say the "closet" is a dark, lonely place, and I wish like the very devil that I didn't have to stay here. I would like Susie to be able to go to the mall, buy her own clothes, walk in her own neighborhood, and sometimes even go out dancing with her (unaccepting) SO.

I have posted messages on this forum occasionally that encourage younger members to do this: check your assumptions. Do you *really* have to stay in the closet? What's the worst that can happen to you if you don't? I have done that, and the answer for me is, quite simply, loss of the love of my life. But, in this first decade of the 21st century, I am becoming more and more unusual.

The times, they are a-changin. If you are truly lovable, there is every hope that somebody will love you, regardless of how much lace is on your favorite undergarment. The mistake that I made, that I encourage younger girls not to make, is to take the chance and tell the potential love of your life, while it's not a "deep dark secret" that you've been "hiding for years". You might actually lose one or two candidates, but when you find one that loves you for what you are -- OMG!! I will be so envious of you :) !!

So, this is about as far as I've seen any of us go to "encourage" you out of the closet. I hear what you're saying about privacy -- but if you're 25, you've got 45 more years until you're 70! Check your assumptions. There is every evidence that this crossdressing, wannabe-a-girl thing doesn't just go away when you get married, have kids, and all that. Honestly, comparing two of your possible futures -- in which your feminine half is out there to be enjoyed by everyone, or sequestered into private obscurity for *decades* -- in an ideal world, which one would you truly choose?

My major point is that the world will be much closer to ideal in another decade than it was when many of us were your age. You should be part of the first liberated generation, not the last unliberated one.

Hugs,
Susie

[Sky]

but what some dont seem to understand is that not eveyone feels, and more importantly ever WANTs to "leave the closet"(a term I hate). Truely comming out and going full time would correctly be termed transvestite.

You're only listing the two extremes, fully closeted and full time out. That leaves out, let me do the math... uh... about 99 % of us, who go out occassionally but don't live dressed full time.

BTW, the best reason to go out is to feel the wind up your skirt. Believe me, hon, it's priceless. :heehee:

[tekla west]

You should be part of the first liberated generation, not the last unliberated one. Susie

Right on Sister. Except I would change "should" to "CAN," particulary where it addressed at youger people. But the CAN works at any age. You DON"T HAVE TO do it, but it CAN be done. Given the option, the choice is yours, but liberation sounds better than repression. Given that you DO have a choice, the results are in your own hands. The pain you signed up for, the suffering is only an option.

[Carroll]

You know Jane, it took me a while to get the nerve to dress in front of my wife. She knew I dressed but never saw me. My fear was she was going to laugh her ass off....she did, but she did say I looked pretty good.
Nver rush into anything you are not ready to do. Stay in the closet if that is your choice. If you chose to come out go at the pace and direction the YOU want to go. I do see some people here that basically say "throw caution in the wind and go for it!". They mean no harm its just thats what they did and they way they feel. Remember, Its all about you baby!

Carroll

[Mary Jane]

To thine own self be true. I also feel no need to "come out" to everyone. I have a couple of select friends that know of my dressing but for the most part it is a private thing for me too. Just do what you feel is right for you. As has been said, all of us are different.

[Lisa Golightly]

I think fashion is a very personal thing. What you wear is an expression of your personality. I express a feminine personality and that's that. No pressure, no demands, no crusade.

[suanne]

[QUOTE=Janereed]hello everyone,


There is people sometimes quite blatantly telling you to "Get out of the crossdressing closet" "Tell people" etc.
Im not drilling anyone one member is particular, but its genrally the older amoungst us, telling us young-uns. It can really confuse one, make them feel rejected or worse. (A quote from Janereed)

Hi. Ummmmmm older as in age, been on forum for ages, or been a crossdresser (or whatever) for a long time? If it's age. I don't feel like the older are putting pressure on anybody to "come out" of anything. cders on this forum show respect for who ever you are and how you dress. No pressure there. I am a long time crossdresser and am still in the closet and am going to stay there (I have a light in my closet) forever if I have anything to do about it. Thats my 0.02. Sounds like the pressure is on your end. Relax.....if it feels good.....do it! :hugs:

Suanne

[Jackie-Ann]

To thine own self be true. I also feel no need to "come out" to everyone. I have a couple of select friends that know of my dressing but for the most part it is a private thing for me too. Just do what you feel is right for you. As has been said, all of us are different.

Hi, Mary Jane, like you and many more, CD is something very personal and going out in public areas, like shopping, walking down the street, it doesn't fit me for a logical reason: "I don't pass as a woman,neither my looks or my voice". So I don't like the feeling of being part of a show to others because our society, especially men ( being born a male, I know) will undoubtly think or call me a homo.So I'm comfortable with the privacy of my home and my wife's acceptance of my female persona in and out of bed anytime of the day without questions. I'm moderate regarding make-up and dressing fully all the time.Having my body smooth (hairless) and wearing panties and gowns are enough most of the time.The only person that I care about acceptance is Cheryl, my GG wife. She knows that we could go and I'ld dress up in a private home or a club where there are other couples like us. Now we live in a small city in a small country in S.A., when we lived in the U.S. we never had the chance to find other couples or clubs because our busy schedule. I doubt very seriously that I ever going to enjoy being live with other CD's like me, talking and sharing our "things".That's life, when I was living in a country where you can find the people I never had the time to do it, now that we're retired we live far off from the CD scene.

[Ranee Daze]

By my terms I am closeted as you are. What this means to me is that I live the separate lives and keep my two sexual identities apart. I go out dressed, but no one in this world is able to connect my manself with my femmeself. I like having residences in both worlds. I have no desire to come out of that closet for it would have disasterous effects on my work, my family and my relationships.
There are alot more posts about coming out than there are about happily managing life in the closet. Maybe we can strike more of a balance.
As far as it being an age thingie, well I am 49 and I love the closet!

[EricaCD]

No pressure, no demands, no crusade.

Couldn't have stated the general premise better.

I will, however, add that this forum unabashedly strives to help every CD find a greater sense of self-acceptance and self comfort. And to the extent this forum succeeds, many of the members (myself included) rethink their self-imposed desire for total privacy. My sense is that the numerous posts regarding "first time shopping", "first time out", etc. are a celebration of that increased self-acceptance, as opposed to a sense of giving in to CD peer pressure (god what a weird concept).

Erica

[Jackie-Ann]

Couldn't have stated the general premise better.

I will, however, add that this forum unabashedly strives to help every CD find a greater sense of self-acceptance and self comfort. And to the extent this forum succeeds, many of the members (myself included) rethink their self-imposed desire for total privacy. My sense is that the numerous posts regarding "first time shopping", "first time out", etc. are a celebration of that increased self-acceptance, as opposed to a sense of giving in to CD peer pressure (god what a weird concept).

Erica

Hi, Erica, In your case, you can pass very well as GG. My wife and I looked at your album and she was stunned at your pictures. Your natural looks are delicate. You're probably a hansome man and a gorgeous looking woman.Thank you for sharing with us your album.:thumbsup:

[Mia001]

Hi Jane,

It's very simple. If you don't want to tell people, for whatever reason, then don't. It's your choice and, as no one here knows your situation as well as you do, then it has to be your choice.

People here will have advice to offer. That's part of the support generated by these forums. What worked out so well for them may be a disaster for you though. The best advice I can offer to post any questions you may have, read the responses and then make up your own mind.

I have told my best friend but no one else so I'm really still in the closet myself except for one person which suits me fine. People here have given me great support which is always welcome and very much appreciated but, at the end of the day, the only person qualified to make decisions for me is me.

Take care,

Mark.

[Sky]

Now we live in a small city in a small country in S.A....
...That's life, when I was living in a country where you can find the people I never had the time to do it, now that we're retired we live far off from the CD scene.

I assume S.A. is South America. If it's not being too indiscrete, where in SA are you now? If you prefer to answer via private msg is fine.

Because you know, I'm from there too and I know some cities are actually more cd friendly than the vast majority of US cities...

[noname]

Instead I spent ALL that time closeted, hiding my desires, building an elaborate facade of masculinity to hide how I really felt inside. Almost all of my "masculinity" was not the real me. I had to be a "male chauvinist pig", I had to stay out of the kitchen and laundry, I had to burp and fart loudly in public, get falling down drunk with the guys, never do a lick of housework, Be disdainful of women's accomplishments, etc.,etc. All of this was made up in order to convince myself and others that I was a "real guy". What a waste of a life!!!

Well said. Though I was never took on the male pig roll. I will say I'm a bit surprised by how many closet people are here.


I think fashion is a very personal thing. What you wear is an expression of your personality.

Yup, I'm all about the fashion.

[susie lynn]

Hi Girls, Ive dressed for over 40 yrs and have never went out except once on halloween , plus I dont wear the breast ,wig or makeup except for pics, I have no desire to look like a girl, even though it does sound fun .
I enjoy wearing the clothes minus the bra and Im happy with that, there
most likely not too many that are like me but everyone has their likes and wants so do what you want not what someone else might want or think:hugs:

[Barb Valentine]

I'm no spring chicken
And I like the comfort of my nice air conditioned closet
Where I can wear what I want and don't care how I look
I don't have to please anybody but myself