How many of us are there?

[Margaret]

The magazine supplement to the Sydney Morning Herald of July 27 contained a brief article on a behind the scenes look at a "dungeon" known as the Kastle. The Kastle contains a crossdresing room. The proprietor of the Kastle, commenting on the demand for her services, noted that in a city of 4 million people (Sydney) there are probably 50,000 men walking around wearing stockings under their business suits! Assuming that males account for 50 percent of the population, her comment suggests that 1 in 40 men are CDs.

Are there any definitive studies on the percentage of crossdressers in the community?

Maybe I should be more vigilant for the telltale signs of garter tabs and vpls.:heehee:

[trannie T]

A guess by the operator of a dungeon is hardly a scientific study. The best guesses I've seen say we're one or two percent of the population. That makes it about one in forty. So in a city the size of Sydney there would be around 50,000 crossdressers.

[Marlena Dahlstrom]

Truth is nobody really knows, due to the inherent problems in studying a closeted population.

I've seen the estimate of 3-5% of men made by a number of people, including experts in the field, although I've never been able to trace this back to an actual study.

Perhaps the best study, methodologically speaking, was done in Sweden a couple years ago. It was a national health survey, which happened to include a question about crossdressing. IIRC, about 1% of male respondents indicated that they'd crossdressed at some point in their lives. So this would be a "lower estimate" figure, although it's reasonable to assume the actual number may be higher given that people are relunctant to admit to crossdressing, even in a survey that promises anonymity.

[Samantha_S]

Hmm.........
Figures lie and liars figure.
Take stat's with a grain of salt.
I have now bought an okay set of under garments and I wear them to work every day. ('cept for the bra) So do I figure into the equation?

[tekla west]

5% is the high end, i doubt if its that much. 1-2% seems more likely, in which case the number of CD in the USA as of this writing (4:15 GMT) is lets say 2% of 299,354,359 so, about 15 million or so. That is 1-2% of that number, less 50% for women. That's rough, but 15 million is a high number, even if it was half that, or even half of that, I would not sneeze at 3.5 million. If every one of those 3.5 million CDs bought one pair of panties from VS at $5, VS makes 17.5 million. If the high is right, and its 5%, then VS makes about 75 million dollars. Not chump change.

[Margaret]

If 2% is somewhere near the mark, this forum has great potential. My search of the members' list shows only 20 listing Sydney as home. The total registered is 4950 including FTMs and GGs.

[Charleen]

ALOT! Love and xxxx, Lily

[Angie G]

I don't know lets count i'm 1:D
Angie G.

[Janice Ann]

I don't know lets count i'm 1:D
Angie G.
# 2 here-- That is like asking how many bannas in a bunch ? Hmnnn how can we devise a way to count us ?
Maybe the census bereau has some info--

[Helen MC]

I read in one of the "Quality" Newspapers that 1 in 3 men admit to having worn some item of female clothing, usually panties, at some time in their life and 1 in 7 do so regularly even weaing them 24/7 as I and many others who post here do. So "underdressers" are quite common at 14&1/4% . Full CDs especially those who dress to "pass" and go out regularly en-femme are rarer I would think.

[Ginagirl]

Hi All,
Don't forget about the purge factor. Our numbers will always fluctuate over time, depending on whether we have accepted ourselves or are in denial or in the closet or out. It's like the gay pop. no one will ever know for sure. Too many factors.......
Ohh wellll

[Karren H]

Maybe I should be more vigilant for the telltale signs of garter tabs and vpls.:heehee:

Well I think that unless they're wearing spandex or skin tight business slacks you won't see vpls much and with self supporting hose....hehehe. :D


But if it were 2.5% to even as high as say 5% of the population you'd think that I'd bump into a at least one in the ladies clothing section of the local department store? Never have yet!! So who really knows? I doubt if, statistically speaking, that you could get an accurate sampling of the CD population without some sort of severe bias.

Hmmmmm. Well maybe if you took the number of men who ordered bras from Victoria Secret that were + size 40 and added in all the ones with EE cups and divided that total by the number of men who ordered guns at Cabela's, over the same time period. The corecting for the number of crossdressing gun owners by subtracting the number of male homicides who were shot by their wives after finding out they crossdressed...

89+52/750. +/- the squareroot of.....

What's Avagadros number again? Hehehe


Love Karren

[tekla west]

6.0221415 × 1023

and its Avogadro not Avagadro. And there should be a ' after the 'O' because its possessive. Reminds me of when I taught history of engineering to - surprise - engineers they would always ask "Does spelling count?" My answer was "Does it still count if I get the wrong answer to a math equation?"

hehehe

[Karren H]

6.0221415 × 1023

and its Avogadro not Avagadro. And there should be a ' after the 'O' because its possessive. Reminds me of when I taught history of engineering to - surprise - engineers they would always ask "Does spelling count?" My answer was "Does it still count if I get the wrong answer to a math equation?"

hehehe


Wrong answer!! You forgot the units!! Molecules per mole-gram!! Tsk tsk. :D

Was x 1023 or 10 to the 23rd? My blackberry doesn't do superscript well. :)

Love Karren

[tekla west]

in fact, its 10 to the 23rd power, my notepad does not do those either. We just lost almost everyone here Karren, hehehe

[tekla west]

And I see TG/CDs in stores all the time, Goodwill and thrift store in particular, but Macy's once in a while too. Of course, one would expect that in San Francisco far more than you would in Wheeling WVa. But, as is obvious here from the posts, many like to shop on-line, mail order, E-Bay and the like. So you will never see them.

[myMichelle]

Thank God we're back on topic now...coming from someone who "passed" college algebra with a D, reading all that mathematical stuff made my head hurt! lol

[Deidra Cowen]

I think we are a very small percentage of the population. A tiny fraction not even close to 1%. No freaking way we are 5%. And heck I really don't care...I like being special! :heehee:

[Sarah Rabbit]

I like being special! :heehee:


That is exactly how I feel...Special. Go Deidra


Sarah R. :bunny:

[Sam-antha]

Nice to be special and few, but are there not so very many out yonder who do not even admit to themselves that they know that they would just love to wear that bra and that...
~Samm

[swiss_susan]

All I know is there is only one of me

Susan

[Margaret]

I'm just wondering who the other 49,999 are in Sydney and why don't they contribute here?

[kathy gg]

Hmm......well what I am about to say is based on nothing factual!


But my feelings are if you walk into a room of 20 men, at least one guy is a cd, or has dressed or wants to and has not.

So for fun, now when I go somewhere with ggfriends I always do a quick room count of guys and then tell them: one of these guys is possibly a cd. Then i try to guess which one it is! :eek:

[kathy gg]

:evilbegon

:titanic:

Thread killers!
hahahhahahaha:tongueout

Just kidding....nerds are cute!


in fact, its 10 to the 23rd power, my notepad does not do those either. We just lost almost everyone here Karren, hehehe

[Deanna2]

The most consistent figure I have seen is 5 percent (which 1 in 20). I think the number is probably higher, but it depends on what counts as CDing and this is something that no one has definitively resolved. Literally, CDing ranges from occasionally wearing femme panties or pantyhose to the full on, totally dressed to the nines.

[EricaCD]

Deanna has the idea right, and probably reconciles the different numbers you hear from different sources. Anyone quoting a number like 5% or greater is probably counting every man that has ever tried fem undies or fantasized about doing so. The 1% sounds a little closer to the right guesstimate for men who habitually wear fem clothing - irrespective of whether just as a fetish, under drab clothes or attempting to pass.

Still, in a nation of nearly 300mm (referring of course to the good ol' Upsilon Sigma Alpha here), a figure of 3mm semi-serious to hardcore CDs is nothing to sneeze at. Especially if you don't have a lace hankie handy :)

Erica

[Julogden]

The magazine supplement to the Sydney Morning Herald of July 27 contained a brief article on a behind the scenes look at a "dungeon" known as the Kastle. The Kastle contains a crossdresing room. The proprietor of the Kastle, commenting on the demand for her services, noted that in a city of 4 million people (Sydney) there are probably 50,000 men walking around wearing stockings under their business suits! Assuming that males account for 50 percent of the population, her comment suggests that 1 in 40 men are CDs.

Are there any definitive studies on the percentage of crossdressers in the community?

Maybe I should be more vigilant for the telltale signs of garter tabs and vpls.:heehee:

OK, my 0.02 too.

I'd bet that most CD's are so closeted that they're too scared to even visit a web site like this one, let alone be a contributor or member.

If they were included in a survey, they would deny being a CD too, even if it was totally anonymous.

Even though it's much more acceptable today, there are still many, many CD's who are scared to death to explore their desire to dress and don't have any contact with others, maybe sneak their wives/girlfriends clothes on occasion, and that's it.

So, I vote for the 5% figure, maybe even a bit more.

Just my opinion.:happy:

:hugs: Carol

[Rachel Morley]

I have no idea how to quantify it, but I've always thought that 5% was a good number. I've also always thought that crossdressing is a massively untapped market, simply because there are so many of us that are closeted...including me. I don't volunteer this information when I'm in guy mode :eek: How many of us if we saw a CD in public would honestly go up to them and say "hi, you look terrific....btw I'm a crossdresser too" :D

I just think there's more of this going on than people let on. :happy:

[MAGENTA]

i would guess around 2-3 %.perhaps more in larger cities and towns and less rurally where the desire may be as strong but the opportunity lacking.by the way it seemed to me the anser to the maths problem was self evident surely the answer is the square root of 69.:tongueout

[Dee 1062]

So Where's The Party ?

[uknowhoo]

The actual number is 3.46% (here in the U.S. anyway).:straightface:









:p

[Yes I am]

I'm convinced that deep down inside, everybody's a crossdresser.

[KimberlyS]

My ex-sister-in-law is a the head Psychologist at a hospital out east. When my wife talked to her about my cding she gave a number of about 1% of the population are cders. So I am not sure were this number comes from, or who all is included in that, but if she is quoting it there must be some type of backing for it being it actual stats or professional guess.

I just may have to ask her if I ever see her again where she got that number from.

KimberlyS - CD

[sandra-leigh]

How many of us if we saw a CD in public would honestly go up to them and say "hi, you look terrific....btw I'm a crossdresser too" :D

If I was alone (or with people who know about my CD'ing) and the other person was either alone or was somewhat obvious; and if I didn't think anyone else would pay attention, then I might say something.

If, in other words, it was convenient and saying something wouldn't "out" either of us to those who might not know.


Contrawise, several months ago, wintertime, I was dressed (skirt, blouse) under my long winter jacket, and I happened to get onto the same bus as someone I know from our local meetings to be a CD. We did the nod and quick hello, but did -not- talk. It was a crowded bus, he was in drab.
I wasn't concerned about being revealed myself (earlier I'd been walking around with my jacket open, where others could possibly have seen the blouse + skirt), but it was his local bus -- and although I briefly considered opening the jacket to show him the outfit, I'm not comfortable with genderf*ing at close quarters (i.e. forcing it on the other passengers.)

[sophie1]

Hi there i've heard as high is 1 in 10 have worn ladies underwear and 1 in 20 do it on a regular basis. what ever they call a regular basis i don't know
Sophie