Gay, Lesbian, or just really Kinky

[Bev06 GG]

Hi Girls,
I was coaxed into a conversation today by two ladies, one of which is a co worker, and the other, one of our mums at Kids club, about how she threw her hubby out nearly a year ago because she caught him wearing her panties. She was telling my colleague how horrified she'd been knowing that for 13 years she'd lived with a pervert, and thank God she'd found out before her 12 year old daughter had been damaged. Ive known about what happened for some time now because the girl came to Kids club in tears last year.
Anyway to cut a long story short, she said that her main fear had been the safety of her daughter, but also she had dreaded anyone finding out about it incase they thought that she'd married a gay, or she was a Lesbian, or worse still that she was Kinky.
My colleague asked me what my thoughts were on the matter so I told her that it really wasn't such a big deal and that during my pregnancies the only comfortable underwear that Ii could find where my hubbys Y fronts so I used to wear them instead of my usual sexy numbers.
Well you'll never guess what the rumour going round work is now. BEV IS A Crossdresser. Tee hee, can you believe that. Well, as the manager I cannot have those sort of rumours going around about me, so Ive had to step in and stem the flow. Ive told them all that I have Lesbian Tendancies and am definitely Kinky, and that there have been occassions when Ive fanticised about sleeping with a Gay man. Well honestly ME a CROSSDRESSER, heaven forbid.
Take care
BEVxxxx

[Shelly Preston]

It so sad to hear of stories like this where people jump to conclusions without knowing the facts.

Well done for trying to educate her in a humerous way
I am curious to know how it all worked out


Bev you a Crossdresser
Kind of like taking coals to Newcastle

[Wendy me]

Bev, omg know i know that i can't drink coffee and read theise posts here lmao lol too funny......

[Nikki Dee]

Oooooh.!!!...Bev...you little minx.!!!...always knew there things I liked about you.!!!LOL....crossdresser indeed...leave that to us "girls"...you know...US LOT.!!...see you soon chuck.!!!!..love to Jay.
Love Nikki. x

[Bev06 GG]

Oooooh.!!!...Bev...you little minx.!!!...always knew there things I liked about you.!!!LOL....crossdresser indeed...leave that to us "girls"...you know...US LOT.!!...see you soon chuck.!!!!..love to Jay.
Love Nikki. x

Well you know me Nikki, abit of a dark horse on the QT. Jay says Hi.
Take care
BEVxxxxxx

[Sandygal]

Oh my God! That poor man, he lost his wife and child because he wore womans panties. He is probably losing more because of his wifes mean mouth telling everyone. I know its bad to think it, but I would just love to punch her in the mouth. Bev...you probably look good in anything you wear.

[Sarah Rabbit]

Well done for trying to educate her in a humerous way I am curious to know how it all worked out
Give her bathroom cleaning duties for a week, that should be education enough:lol:

Sarah R. :bunny:

[avawho]

I think we have seen a new side to Bev:hugs:

I think that the man was probably well rid of that women, as well I hope he and others can "uninfect" the mothers negative thoughts upon the poor girl.

We all are born innocent, with infinite possiblilites held back only by others fears, prejudices and malice...

Cheers
Ava

[GG Vanya]

Hello everyone, my name is Vanya, and I am a crossdresser.:D

YEP! Hand up, count me in sister! After childbirth is when I wore the ex's tightie whities. They were the only thing comfy and full enough not to cause pain at the C Section encision. Besides, I wasn't taking any chance of staining my frillies! His undies were way cheaper and when ya've worn one ya've worn 'em all.

Of course I've previously told the story of wearing men's insulated underwear before they came out with girl stuff for hunters. I just sewed up the peep hole in the front~for two reasons: I damn sure didn't need one, and my sons, who were notorious for nicking my hunting gear, wouldn't be caught dead in 'em after my alterations. :heehee:

Aw hell, that's been years ago, and I'm feeling that ole familiar urge. :devil: Trudi's "he man" undies are all Hane's bikini or low rise. Every color and design of the rainbow. Perhaps I'll wear a pair to bed tonight, just to get a reaction. Ooooo just the thought makes it feel as if I've got hair growin on my chest!

(scratch scratch)

Vanya

And Bev, good on ya lady, for nippin the gossip in the bud. :dom:

[fionasboots]

From my recent experience it seems that wearing womens clothes clearly does make you a dangerous pervert in many peoples opinion.

My in-laws seem to have had this concern and this is maybe one of the reasons why my mother-in-law told my wife's brother in case I was a danger to their kids.

I guess that the whole lying thing and shock result in people leaping to all sorts of conclusions and then they fail to actually think it through.

I would agree that it is *very* sad for so many lives to be ripped apart over something that really isn't such a big deal in the grand scheme of things (preaching to the converted here, obviously :heehee: )

[Marla S]

Well you'll never guess what the rumour going round work is now. BEV IS A Crossdresser. Tee hee, can you believe that. Well, as the manager I cannot have those sort of rumours going around about me, so Ive had to step in and stem the flow. Ive told them all that I have Lesbian Tendancies and am definitely Kinky, and that there have been occassions when Ive fanticised about sleeping with a Gay man. Well honestly ME a CROSSDRESSER, heaven forbid.
You see, it is that easy to get stamped. And if you've been told this most of your life, you even believe it yourself.
That's the problem with CDing.;)

Concerning your co worker: I think we have to be satisfied that the human brain at least theoretical is able to think. Actually doing it, might be a bit to overcharged.

(I admit that my judgement is a bit unfair, as one should know more about her husband and their relationship. Not every CD is an angel)

[Bev06 GG]

Vanya, just you behave yourself girl, tee hee. Your right tho girls, altho I injected alittle humour into this situation, there is a tragic side to the story. One year on and the daughter is still not allowed to stay with her dad for any great length of time. Something that Ive tried to persuade the mother is potentially damaging to this young lady and certainly very upsetting. I have to deal with this young girls distress on a regular basis and she just doesn't get why she can't stay over at her dads. Even the courts have come down on the mothers side. Unfortunately this is the kind of ignorance that we are still up against. And just for the record, the guy was a very good hubby, loyal, loving and faithful, and it was only a pair of briefs for hecks sake. I do not believe for one minute that this was the reason for the break up, there has to be something more to it but unfortunately the wife saw fit to use it as the excuse for marriage breakdown. OMG how tragic is this kind of situation. The sooner the world gets an education in these matters the better.
Take care
BEVxxxx

[Helen in OK]

Bev,

It would be very interesting to find out if this woman, ever wore her husband's clothes.

This struck very close to home with me, in that I am a pervert for getting caught wearing my own stockings, garter belt and panties, but my wife can wear my heavy winter shirts, but doesn't see that she is also a cross dresser.

I will admit I am better off, as we are still together, sort of.

Helen in OK

[Melanie R]

We keep hearing all these negative accounts from the UK of crossdressers who have lost their visitation rights with their children because of crossdressing. Seems to me that a lot of education is needed in the UK court system. In 1979 in the US South, Texas, my ex wife went to court for a divorce and asked that I have no visitation rights except supervised. My attorney and I fought her and the judge ended up giving me full costody with the ex wife having supervised visitation. And that was 26 years ago. If the man you referred to was seen by most as stable and a good father and provider, there is no reason for the courts to make the determination that was made unless there is a reason you do not know. Something is not right with this picture.

Hugs,

Melanie

[Marla S]

[...] One year on and the daughter is still not allowed to stay with her dad for any great length of time. Something that Ive tried to persuade the mother is potentially damaging to this young lady and certainly very upsetting. I have to deal with this young girls distress on a regular basis and she just doesn't get why she can't stay over at her dads.[...]

Isn't that a damage that is by far more harming to a young soul than a dad wearing panties ever can be ???
I wished the "caring" mother and the court would have been aware of it.

I wish the girl and her dad the very best. Hope they have better times very soon.

[Talon DeRojo]

Bev - I applaud you for the way that you have handled this situation. It's so sad
that the Mom and even the courts are so ignorant. I don't imagine that Dad was flaunting his underwear around his daughter and even if he did, that isn't as harmful to the young girl as banning her from contact from her Dad.
Talon:sad:

[nikisbest]

First off Bev,

I never get tired of reading your post, they have to be some of the best reading on this forum. When you add the usual humor you have in them, all
the better. I still wonder sometimes, why my ex didnt try that, she cant seem to keep a secret to save her neck. But I guess she didnt want to bring it up and make her look bad for getting married to a "pervert that wears panties".
It just seems like the world will never change toward us, Oh dont get me wrong I havent had any Bad responses toward me because of this. But its probably because I am usually a very secretive person (as my sister says).
Well thank you girls for the bit of humor you have added to a sad post, and have a good day.

Niki

[Daintre]

When my ex wife decided she wanted a divorce, she played the pervert card, she did not want anyone to know the real reason for it, only to let everyone know that she was the "good person", while I was branded the pervert.

It cost me dearly, I was a Cub scout leader for over 10 years and I was crushed when asked to resign, I lost custody of my son, things were bad......however my family stayed positive and my son always..always showed his love for me, luckily I still got to see him every 2 weeks

Jenni Y :(

[Toyah]

Hi Girls,
I was coaxed into a conversation today by two ladies, one of which is a co worker, and the other, one of our mums at Kids club, about how she threw her hubby out nearly a year ago because she caught him wearing her panties. She was telling my colleague how horrified she'd been knowing that for 13 years she'd lived with a pervert, and thank God she'd found out before her 12 year old daughter had been damaged. Ive known about what happened for some time now because the girl came to Kids club in tears last year.
Anyway to cut a long story short, she said that her main fear had been the safety of her daughter, but also she had dreaded anyone finding out about it incase they thought that she'd married a gay, or she was a Lesbian, or worse still that she was Kinky.
My colleague asked me what my thoughts were on the matter so I told her that it really wasn't such a big deal and that during my pregnancies the only comfortable underwear that Ii could find where my hubbys Y fronts so I used to wear them instead of my usual sexy numbers.
Well you'll never guess what the rumour going round work is now. BEV IS A Crossdresser. Tee hee, can you believe that. Well, as the manager I cannot have those sort of rumours going around about me, so Ive had to step in and stem the flow. Ive told them all that I have Lesbian Tendancies and am definitely Kinky, and that there have been occassions when Ive fanticised about sleeping with a Gay man. Well honestly ME a CROSSDRESSER, heaven forbid.
Take care
BEVxxxx

Heck no you a crossdresser, was that you at sparkle or someone else.
Seriously it is dificult for most people to accept us for me the best policy is being open about crossdressing to your partner otherwise you get the crossdressing thing plus the worst the distrust of several years of basically lying constantly.

[Joy Carter]

If this beast was so consered about others finding out why was she telling anyone +? :rolleyes: Oh and Ditto's on your threads Bev your one of the head liners here.:hugs:

[Katrina]

Bev, I'm sorry to say, but since you post here, you must be a crossdresser! ;)

And that is terrible that someone would end a marriage over a pair of panties. Were they grannies or something? :devil:

[Charleen]

Ignorance is not bliss! It leads to hurt, anger, and ultimately wars.

[Kimberley]

It's about time you ladies cut loose. We need a little humour around here. I think Tamara must have got a spanking for being out of line... :lol: Uh oh, I better behave here or she'll get out the handcuffs then take all my panties....

Really, Bev and Vanya you girls made my day. Thanks

:hugs: to both of you

Kimberley.

[Billijo49504]

Bev, when they jump to conclusions, I hope they land on something sharp!!!BJ

[Bev06 GG]

Aww girls,
thanks for your kind comments you make a girl blush. Anyhow back to the subject. I have thought for a long time that what is needed is abit of good old education on the matter. Apparently there are CDs out there who are fighting to have their right to dress recognised and to be a part of the anti discrimination act. Unfortunately at the moment its been kicked out. Im so glad that they are there doing there bit, and I really do believe that one day we will win thru. Afterall how can you leave anyone out of an Anti discrimination act, thats discrimination.
Part of the problem tho with this situation and the court issue is that the Dad was so embarassed he didnt fight it. He obviously felt ashamed and didn't want to draw attention to himself, hopefuly one day when he sees what he's missing out on, and how manipulative his wife has been, he will rise to the challenge out of pure anger and fight for his rights. We are very behind in the Uk and I really think that this needs to be challenged. After all when you think about it, how can you brand a guy a pervert just because he likes to wear womens clothes, its ridiculous and very victorian. We need an ambassador, someone in high office who will fight our cause, but unfortunately no one wants to do that just incase they get branded a pervert too. Anyway good on the ones who are out there trying to bring this unfairness to everyones attention, I wish them luck and when the opportunity arises I will be there with em. Dont ask me why but when GGs support CDs it sometimes seems to lend abit of backbone to the situation, unfair I know but its true.
Anyway hope you all have a good day. Take care
BEVxxxx

[Marla S]

Dont ask me why but when GGs support CDs it sometimes seems to lend abit of backbone to the situation, unfair I know but its true.
I don't think it is unfair, it is a necessity. Without the support of GGs it won't work. I bow my head for every GG that is willing to support us.
It is a brave act, as you easily might be mistaken as somehow pervert too, it's a honorable act because you fight against discrimintation ....... and it might even be a bit of a self-interested act, because it will be more difficult for manhood to discriminate GGs because of their feminity, if feminity becomes an accepted trait of men too.

A big thanks for you Bev and all the other GGs here. :^5:

[Robin Leigh]

OMG! He's just a panty wearer, and he gets divorced & restricted access to his daughter? That's severe! What century is this again+?

This story makes me angry and sad. :mad: But it's nothing new. It's a common attitude: if you're not totally straight (in gender & sexuality) you must be a pervert, and do all the things that perverts do. :rolleyes:

When a lesbian friend came out to her mother back in the late 1970s, she was forbidden contact with her young sister. At first, she thought it was because her mother didn't want her to 'contaminate' the young one with her ideas. But then she realized that her mother actually thought she had incestuous, pedophilic desires. This hurt my friend deeply. :(

Robin

[Helen MC]

I have said it so many times, if you are thinking to get married or even have a serious relationship, TELL HER FIRST!

As to fathering kids if you are a CD, I think it is fraught with too much difficulty and danger and for myself I ruled it out in my teens, and have had a vasectomy and have never regretted that decision, but others may be able to make it work to be a CD, even just as an underdresser, and a father.

The problem is that our society is so stereotyped that anything that is not the "meat and two veg" bog standard, butch macho Dad, and womanly and homely mum, is treated with suspicion and hostility. Unfairly however a tom-boy daughter is, up to a point, acceptable but a girly and aesthetic son will always be looked on as strange. I encountered a bit of this in my childhood and teens, thank heavens my TV side as never discovered by my parents, especially my father!

I feel very sorry for the knicker wearing man in this story but feel that he ought to have let his wife know of his panty wearing at the start of their relationship and before any children were begat.

[fionasboots]

I have said it so many times, if you are thinking to get married or even have a serious relationship, TELL HER FIRST!


This, I would agree, is good advice and should always be followed if at all possible.

It's not always possible so the fall back plan is to tell as soon as you can. Not perfect but hey, that's life.



As to fathering kids if you are a CD, I think it is fraught with too much difficulty and danger and for myself I ruled it out in my teens, and have had a vasectomy and have never regretted that decision, but others may be able to make it work to be a CD, even just as an underdresser, and a father.


I find that incredibly sad that someone would automatically rule themselves out of the gene pool for something as harmless as happening to like wearing some different bits of cloth and acting a bit girlie every now and then.

I would guess that most of the people here are, by circumstance, more tolerant and open-minded than your average person and surely these are exactly the sort of people we want to breed!



The problem is that our society is so stereotyped that anything that is not the "meat and two veg" bog standard, butch macho Dad, and womanly and homely mum, is treated with suspicion and hostility. Unfairly


My experience is that people are usually a bit more tolerant (or simply not bothered) than the rather bleak picture painted above.



however a tom-boy daughter is, up to a point, acceptable but a girly and aesthetic son will always be looked on as strange. I encountered a bit of this in my childhood and teens, thank heavens my TV side as never discovered by my parents, especially my father!


Well in that case society needs to adjust since any sort of enforced stereotypes like this is simply counter-productive. People are different, they always have been and they always will be - as long as they aren't hurting anyone then leave em alone!



I feel very sorry for the knicker wearing man in this story but feel that he ought to have let his wife know of his panty wearing at the start of their relationship and before any children were begat.

Well, I suppose, as things have turned out for everyone concerned then you have a valid point, it seems alot of damage has been done to all concerned.

Who did that damage though?

[Katiegirl]

We keep hearing all these negative accounts from the UK of crossdressers who have lost their visitation rights with their children because of crossdressing. Seems to me that a lot of education is needed in the UK court system. In 1979 in the US South, Texas, my ex wife went to court for a divorce and asked that I have no visitation rights except supervised. My attorney and I fought her and the judge ended up giving me full costody with the ex wife having supervised visitation. And that was 26 years ago. If the man you referred to was seen by most as stable and a good father and provider, there is no reason for the courts to make the determination that was made unless there is a reason you do not know. Something is not right with this picture.
Melanie R

It does not happen always in the UK, my marriage broke up over 20 years ago on the grounds of crossdressing, and her lawyers threaten to restrict my rights of access to them. I received their letter while I was looking after them for a few days on my wife's request, so I phoned her and said that I was bring the kids back to her as it would appear that I was an unfit father. I knew she was seeing a guy and having the kids would really be aweward for her. My wife saw sense particularly as it would stop her going out, and I heard nothing further on restricting my access. The lawyers use the cross dressing & kids as a way of getting more money out of the father, with me it did not work. My youngest son was down with his family this week and my other kids came here regularly so it has worked out for me.

:happy:

[KrazyKat]

Too Funny, Bev. I'm a thinking It's too dang bad this MUM doesn't even want to be kinky, that must be the foundation of the problem?! :devil:

Afterall, wearing "clean" undies is all my MUM taught me, I don't recall her mentioning what they had to look like!!:D

Kat

[Bev06 GG]

Too Funny, Bev. I'm a thinking It's too dang bad this MUM doesn't even want to be kinky, that must be the foundation of the problem?! :devil:

Afterall, wearing "clean" undies is all my MUM taught me, I don't recall her mentioning what they had to look like!!:D

Kat

Oh Kat thats so funny, you can just imagine a whole host of CDs now offering that as their excuse when someone catches them slipping into some sexy little knickers.
Take care
BEVxxxx