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Stephenie S
09-14-2006, 10:44 AM
"Safety is best acheived by not trying to "fool" men (who resent feeling gay - if only for an instant)"

The above quote, from DayTripper, is perhaps the most succinct statement of this issue I have ever seen. I thought it deserved it's own thread.

It is my opinion that this underlies the basis for ALL resentment towards our CD behavior from men. Women don't seem to have this atitude with anywhere near as much fervor. And here is the difference: women are not prone to violence; men are.

I know there are exceptions to this, but in general, men are the violent ones in our society. Men beat, men rape, men maim. (Oh my, I had better stop)

"Fooling" a man into having a homosexual thought or act is perhaps the most dangerous thing we can do when we are out and about.

OK, I did not intend this thread to get so heavy so quickly so I will stop. But I was impressed with DayTrippers' ability to put one of my thoughts into words so clearly.

Steph

JoanFlores
09-14-2006, 02:50 PM
I have found that when I meet a man who is not into Xdressing, he is not willing to continue the conversation. So I have made it very clear, that if you do Xdress, then we can talk.
Joan

tekla west
09-14-2006, 03:08 PM
I can't think of any sitution where setting out to decive people - no matter how easy it seems - is going to have a good ending. Be honest, it avoids lots of problems later, no matter the sitution.

Karren H
09-14-2006, 03:59 PM
I can't think of any sitution where setting out to decive people - no matter how easy it seems - is going to have a good ending. Be honest, it avoids lots of problems later, no matter the sitution.

I agree.....

Soooo we should all stay home or try to look more like guys in dresses??

Don't even think about ever driving anywhere ever again....50,000 a year killed...and driving while dressed...a man with a homosexual feeling behind the wheel of a car is truely a deadly combination..


Head for the fallout shelter Martha.....can't be too safe you know. Hehe

Love Karren

Nigella
09-14-2006, 04:09 PM
Safety is making sure you have the condoms, dont rely on him :heehee:

angelfire
09-14-2006, 05:01 PM
While he may get angry if he hits on you, and you say "I'm a crossdresser", and it is possible he will get violent, it is less likely that you will get hurt than if you decieve him, and he later finds out.

Snookums
09-14-2006, 05:04 PM
safety is making sure the actions open,the chamber is clear,and the barrel is pointed downrange:thumbsup:

Jennifer Giovannetta
09-14-2006, 05:15 PM
I argree with the fact that we could be targets of violence form men who might be fooled by some CD's appearence. I would not go as far as to say we only have to fear men. I like to use universal precautions. Because we really do not know who will commit a violent act. I hold EVERYONE suspect until I know them better. Women can pull the trigger of a gun just as easily as a man can. Or place the left foot on an accelerator of an automobile and drive over someone.
Yes I get the point. We crossdressers have to be careful around men. But to say that women are not capable of violence is not totally true. And by the way, who says a woman cant be offended by a man in a dress, or after speaking to you, becomes offended and tells her SO about what has just happend and orders him to beat you up. Or can she be offended because she might see us as a pervert? And who is to say that she will not commit a violent act?
The point is I would be careful around women too.

Snookums
09-14-2006, 05:19 PM
I argree with the fact that we could be targets of violence form men who might be fooled by some CD's appearence. I would not go as far as to say we only have to fear men. I like to use universal precautions. Because we really do not know who will commit a violent act. I hold EVERYONE suspect until I know them better. Women can pull the trigger of a gun just as easily as a man can. Or place the left foot on an accelerator of an automobile and drive over someone.
Yes I get the point. We crossdressers have to be careful around men. But to say that women are not capable of violence is not totally true. And by the way, who says a woman cant be offended by a man in a dress, or after speaking to you, becomes offended and tells her SO about what has just happend and orders him to beat you up. Or can she be offended because she might see us as a pervert? And who is to say that she will not commit a violent act?
The point is I would be careful around women too.

I get more hostile looks from women than men,but I have been complimented by women on my taste in clothes and shoes.But I never let my guard down.A sales lady once told me to be very careful here because the Mormons try to cure my kind,I asked her what she meant by,my kind.She walked away with a nasty look on her face,my dog never treats me like that.

tekla west
09-14-2006, 05:36 PM
Well I don't think I'm fooling anyone, (nor are most people, they only think so) getting close enough will give you away. The hands, feet, throat and all that. I think a lot more people are more open-minded (or just don't care) so people are free to live thier life. I trust most people, but I'm not placing myself in their hands either, I'm just not going to be all afraid about life, bad way to live.

And the "fooling men" is tied 100% to "fooling around with men" if you are not playing that game, its not likely to be an issue.

And, I do try to stay out of cars. Bikes and walking are better for me from a health standpoint, but also, the odds don't favor you in autos. Just simple risk assessment - which of course when you really look at the stats is not all that simple.

Calliope
09-14-2006, 05:43 PM
The point is I would be careful around women too.

The problem with 'passing' (I use quotes because I think passing largely self-deception) with women is they might feel some competition, especially if the CD in question is sporting a Betty Page look. And, face it, even a GG sporting a Betty Page look invites derision. It's been my experience that if one honestly presents - as a CD - the worst that happens is men snicker and women ignore you. Not exactly 9-11 there. The bonus, I have discovered, is usually many women are charmed and take you in as the unthreatening ugly ducking. I don't know what that says about me but that's the way I like it. And all summer long that has been the case for me (one more night at the Lava Lounge - tomorrow; my going-away party with the gals).

N.B. Even the most brilliant passers have to remain totally on guard the whole time they are out. Which I would guess is a real buzz-buster at closing time when the dancing gets wild and sweaty.

But what would I know?