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LauraB
12-26-2004, 11:41 PM
Plaese Sister all note that i am not trying to be clever or smug here. These are simply the ramblings of a derranged Sister
A few observations


Over the few short Months that I have been a sister on this forum I have come to know you all better than I know many of the people I work with. Not too hard to understand one rarely finds one’s work mates opening up the way we Sisters do.

I have a few observations to make, which I hope you will all take as coming from the heart and not meant in any other way.

One thing that keeps on dominating so many threads here (as well it should) is the desire for all of my Sisters to be seen as natural GG’s to be convincing, to be taken as a girl when dressed. Some of you dear sisters have posted pictures that you do not feel are very convincing yourself. They are posted here because one feels safety amongst friends.

I can say truthfully that all of the pics that have been posted from the genuine CD’s could very easily be that of a GG. Just look around you when you next, cruise the streets in Guy mode, look with a discerning eye a girl’s eyes. Very few of the GG’s one meets would fit into the Guy fantasy mode that so many of us aspire too. Spend a few days with eyes open and mind very broad and one will see GG’s that resemble so many of our sisters here. GG’s are all shapes and all sizes in fact anatomically there are but a few differences between men and women. Apart from voice (which can be changed over a period of time) I have heard that feet are a dead give-away or at least the foot size. Yet I Know GG’s with bigger feet than I have. I have heard in another thread that a tall girl can only pass if she is really convincing. This is simply not true I know a GG called Cindy such a fake name that one might suspect it was a TV or CD name. Yet it is her real name given to her by a mother who must have had a doll fetish. Cindy is 6’10” she has short almost cropped hair and is a member of the London Fire Brigade. Cindy is a fire lady. She has a slight frame and long arms not in any sense does she fit the mode tall girls need to be attractive to be convincing. Were she a Tgirl she would be just as convincing as she is as a GG.

So what makes the difference because I doubt that any one male or female has ever thought Cindy was a boy. Some have thought she was a lesbian which is a bit rough on her as she is getting married in June to another Fireman (I have accepted the job of Chief Bridesmaid but that is another matter) both of whom are very much in love. The difference can only be that Cindy a GG does not expect to be taken as anything other than a GG. Therefore does nothing in public or private that might give her away, because she has nothing to hide. That is the mistake so many of us sisters make we try too hard to be a GG that we end up not convincing anyone including ourselves.

When I first started to live a s a girl I went to 2 sets of classes that were to change my life. The first was speech and voice therapy. In those classes I learned that the difference between male and female voices was in fact not so much in high or low pitch. One meets many high pitched men and many, many deep voiced girls. But in Tone and resonance, true most girls have voices in the upper pitch range this came about during puberty. Before puberty boys and girls have no discernible difference in the pitch and range of their voices. Male voices take on a deeper timbre because nature required men to do mainly things like hunt and attract mates. Yes it really does go back to the time when we all inhabited caves and marriage consisted of a great smelly hairy hunk whacking one over the head and dragging our bleeding bodies off to his own cave. I learned that any man can train his voice into her voice. And that when analysed on a multi track voice box (not being a techie girl I can not offer a scientific name for this box of tricks) there will be little difference in the reading of the he voice to the she voice. But the men who hear it will hear a girl’s voice softly calling their name or her words dancing across a soft lighted room. There is a little more to this and I know of an excellent site that explains this in more and better detail than I have done (if only I were not a airhead and could find the site) Once I have found it I will post it. But search one of JulieM threads she posted a really good site that gave demos, which proves my point.

The second set of lessons was in many ways even more profound, now some of you girls will hate me for mentioning this. The lessons were held near Prestwich close to Manchester. They were recommended to me By Transformations UK that I know have had a bad press in our threads. However the lessons if I should call them that were not by that company just recommended by them. They were about confidence they were not about being a girl or how to be a girl. There were no insights into GG’s behaviour. In fact the reverse was true they were more about how not to be a man or what girls do not do.

The course was a week long actually a full week lasting from Sunday afternoon until the following Sunday afternoon. I learned that Boys and Girls when seen in slow motion all walk in the same way. Other than men have an arrogant overconfident swagger, which is seen in town or country., Girls walk with smaller gate and with more thought to posture and a more realistic outlook considering dangers on pavements and walkways. This female mode was very noticeable in films of girls walking in the country. The female walk is therefore pretty and much more like a ballet. Ballet lessons were included, a full hour each day. The most profound thing I learned was vagina envy or rather the realisation that a vagina should control much of what I do and think. Now most GG’s will say that this is not so and for them that is true. It is all subconscious for GG’s, unlike men who are often always aware of their penis. On the Friday we spent the entire day with a large replica vagina strapped to our crutches. Everything we did said, everywhere we sat walked, was done with the knowledge that we had a vagina. This may well seem a bit extreme and even a bit pervey, It was designed to make us girl aware that downstairs we had to think like a girl (Freud did say it all down to sex baby) then we would think like girls in everyday mode. After a few years this becomes automatic and there will be no discernible difference between a GG and a Tgirl in their actions or mind set.

One hears a lot of chat about the really sexy ******* sites where one can view really sexy Tgirls and inevitably some of us will feel that we can never attain that kind of level of femininity. Actually most if not all of you have already bettered that level or will do with a bit more confidence. ******** are just that men who look a bit like girls who have tits yet still act like men. None that I have meet would convince anyone. Even Miriam from “there is something about Miriam” mention in other pages here. Before I knew that she was a man I knew she was not a girl. With GG’s movement really are a lot more flowing, a lot more theatre. Men’s movements are less considered and much more aggressive. That is the biggest lesson of all Men and Women do the same things move in much the same way but differently. Confidence is the keys don’t act like a GG be a GG.

I remember seeing a channel four programme about female to male transitions it was also a live in week long trip somewhere near Manchester and on the Friday the Boys had to wear a strap on for the whole day. I feel it must have been the same company that transitioned myself, though I did not recognise any of the instructors.

I Hope that what I have had to say will inspire confidence, I will say it again that is the key to it all. Take high heels I applaud the thread that it was scary, however it is the same feeling for a GG when she first take steps so high off the ground. Mummy does not give her little darling lessons in walking in 4” or 6” heels. The sweet girl simply gets on with it and after many a scraped knee or shin or broken leg in extreme cases. She becomes confident and will be seen running for a bus with stilettos gauging the paving. Confidence is everything

I am about to post a head pic as my profile pic assuming I can get my scanner working. If I can not my new kit arrives in New Year I will do it then. You will all see then that I am no fantasy girl just plain and average, yet no one has ever thought me anything but a girl. Some men particularly when I have had a bit too much to drink have thought me forward, or a bit of a slapper. Though I have never slept with any of them ( at least I hope not LOL)

I hope none of you think what a load of Nonsense Laura go away and never bother you again with her insane babbling. Though if you do I will scuttle away with sobs and buckets of tears and never darken your threads again

Love and best wishes

Laura

Sweet Susan
12-27-2004, 01:41 AM
Thanks for sharing, Laura, and I will be looking forward to seeing your upper half. That's quite a bit of information you laid out for us.

racquel
12-27-2004, 03:37 AM
Laura,what a great thread.I totally enjoyed it,belive it and now must try to condition my 'mind' to absorb it.Maybe it should be a sticky.thanks for sharing.
looking forward to your picture.

Tristen Cox
12-27-2004, 03:43 AM
Laura just bring on the pics. And don't you dare think you're darkening our threads. Not now. Not ever, you hear? :) ;)

*big hugs*

Love
Tristen

Julie York
12-27-2004, 11:27 AM
Very interesting that.
I found that movement has a lot to do with clothing. If you wear high heels, you can't help but hold yourself differently. If you value your new dress and stockings, you are more careful how you sit etc.

Bonnie-OR
12-28-2004, 02:47 AM
Very interesting post Laura. I've heard it said before that the key is not to try to act more like a woman, just act less like a man. Your post goes a lot more in depth, and really gives a good insight. Thank you. Huggs, Bonnie

Sandra H
12-28-2004, 06:48 AM
Hi Laura.

I agree with what you say not just on the site but other web sites relating to CD’s one sees photos of men dressed as women and they say, “I would never pass outside”. When the main reason for them not passing is they are dressing in cloths that are really a man fantasy of what he would like his woman to wear for him if only he could persuade her to.

Far too many short skirts, big blond wigs, flashes of stocking top and far too high heels. If a GG went out like that she would get looks and laughed at. But if they should dress more natural then most could pass. As they say if it looks dresses like a woman, walks like a woman and looks like a woman, it’s a woman.

What I am trying to say is if a GG went out looking like a tart she will get looked at and sniggered at. When CD’s go out looking like a tart they get the same treatment, but think they have been found out. But go out dressed “normal” and you can get away with it.

Well that’s what I think you meant Laura. Sorry for going on a bit girls, but not much on the TV at Christmas time. ;)

Sandra H
12-28-2004, 06:56 AM
When I read about Cindy being 6ft 10ins tall and getting married it reminded me of the joke about a man who was shall we say challenged in the height department only being 4ft 6ins tall.

When he was getting married to a girl who was 6ft 10ins tall his workmates said to him how will you get on when it comes to sex?

Well when he got back to work after his honeymoon his workmates said, “We are sorry, but we just have to know, how did it go in bed”.

The short man said, “ well lets put it this way”.

“When we were nose to nose, my toes were in.”

“When we were toes to toes my nose was in.”

“When my **** was in I went deaf”.

Sorry but I did say there is not much on telly.

Anita
12-28-2004, 11:08 AM
REMINDS WHEN I WENT OUT WITH A GIRL WHO WAS 4 FT 6 INCHES TALL
WE USED TO GO IN THE SCHOOL BIKE SHEDS AND STAND HER ON SIX BRICKS
WHEN WE WERE MAKING LOVE AND INTIMACY WAS AT ITS HEIGHT I USED TO KICK THE BRICKS AWAY
BLISS
SORRY IF THAT OFFENDS I WAS HAVING A SENIOR MOMENT! :eek:

Sandra H
12-28-2004, 11:16 AM
REMINDS WHEN I WENT OUT WITH A GIRL WHO WAS 4 FT 6 INCHES TALL
WE USED TO GO IN THE SCHOOL BIKE SHEDS AND STAND HER ON SIX BRICKS
WHEN WE WERE MAKING LOVE AND INTIMACY WAS AT ITS HEIGHT I USED TO KICK THE BRICKS AWAY
BLISS
SORRY IF THAT OFFENDS I WAS HAVING A SENIOR MOMENT! :eek:

I bet that was good, you don’t say how tall you are…..Did she have far to fall??? It could bring a tear to your eyes if you go the timing wrong. :eek:

Tristen Cox
12-28-2004, 11:18 AM
Rotflmao
:D :D :D

Sandra H
12-28-2004, 11:26 AM
Rotflmao
:D :D :D
????? Sorry me no understand :confused:

Vickie-CD
12-28-2004, 11:27 AM
Very thought provoking thread, enjoyed reading it.
Vickie

Anita
12-28-2004, 11:29 AM
ROTFLMAO baffled us there interpretation please!

Tristen Cox
12-28-2004, 11:36 AM
????? Sorry me no understand :confused:


I was laughing at the joke you posted ;)



“When we were nose to nose, my toes were in.”

“When we were toes to toes my nose was in.”


rotflmao = roll on the floor laughing my ass off :p

Sandra H
12-28-2004, 11:43 AM
I was laughing at the joke you posted ;)


rotflmao = roll on the floor laughing my ass off :p

Thank you my dear. Just remember there are old girls who do not text and so do not understand these abbreviations. Glad you enjoyed the joke.

LauraB
12-28-2004, 07:01 PM
Very interesting that.
I found that movement has a lot to do with clothing. If you wear high heels, you can't help but hold yourself differently. If you value your new dress and stockings, you are more careful how you sit etc.
Yes Julie clothing does have a lot to do with posture and movement. High heels though eventually ruin ones feet do have the effect of making us walk proud simply because one has to in order not to fall off.
The fact that you say you take care of your movements in order to preserve your clothes show that your thinking is closer to a GG than most CD's. GG's though do not think that way it is instinctive.


Love
Laura

Many thanks to all for your replies and your humour

Laura