Turning the tables....again [Archive] - Crossdressers.com - #1 Community & Forum for Crossdressers, Family and Friends

Julie York

10-20-2006, 10:34 AM

"If you had rickets, fleas and a life expectancy of 30 would you still want to dress up as a Medeival Princess when you're a little girl?"

Your question is usually asked by women on this forum who are feeling rather angry about something, rather than a desire to have the question answered.

But just incase you do want it answering.....Some people are Transexual and therefore the misery of not being who they wish to be is probably greater than any other natural suffering as a consequence of being a female. The fact that they go through years of surgical hell and mental torment is testament to that.

Other people are just CDs and can go home for tea after playing out.

:D

janelle

10-20-2006, 11:07 AM

As for me yes i would as i feel i should have been a girl from the start. I would gladly take a pill or anything that could make my body do & be the way it should have been.
In away it is nice not to know these things but for some of us we feel cheated. We missed alot of the good things of growing up as girls that you enjoyed & we will never experiance. We may never have that true look or figure or walk that is so special. Our voices are dead give aways if we let our guard down at all & slip back to a male tone,or even in how we phase our words & actions. Yes i would love to know all that you have & wish you could put yourself on guard like most of us have to. Sometimes i think that is just as hard as some of the things you asked us.
This is only my feelings, but dear they are from my heart.
:hugs: :love: Janelle

REBECCA62

10-20-2006, 11:11 AM

Hi, Couldnt Agree More. Lol Rebecca

With Julie Being From Up North Myself. Hugs + Kisses Rebecca

EricaCD

10-20-2006, 11:25 AM

Not a bit, as I'm not transgendered. I prefer being male - so long as I can take periodic gender breaks.

Erica

Daintre

10-20-2006, 11:28 AM

I normally try to avoid posts like this, they seem to be posted to inflame the members that come to this forum for support. the poster here,has lumped all the MtoF members into one, regardless of their beliefs. Those who are TG would welcome all that is female, I believe the want of being the right mind with the right body would far outweigh the monthly discomfort that unfortunately affects women. The CD portion of the membership do not wish to be genetic women, they want to emulate them, they are drawn to the female side, and others simply have a fascination with female clothes.

Lisa Golightly

10-20-2006, 11:30 AM

From 13 to 28 my life was like an everyday period... In fact I didn't live... I merely existed. Sometimes I have to smile at the fact I'm still alive :) So what was that about cramps? ;)

Robin Leigh

10-20-2006, 12:04 PM

"If you had rickets, fleas and a life expectancy of 30 would you still want to dress up as a Medeival Princess when you're a little girl?"

Other people are just CDs and can go home for tea after playing out.:D

Can I marry you, Julie? :D

:hugs:

Robin

Lady Jayne

10-20-2006, 12:06 PM

Just a question...but if y'all got to have monthly periods with cramps, moodiness and sporadic bouts with thoughts of killing someone (joking)...would you still find it as appealing to be...female?? How about child birth? Would you do it? Is that the ultimate fantasy so to speak??...Just wondering...Have a wondeful day!!:D

Turning the tables back,(my this table is turning faster than a spinning top) if you could rid yourself of all of the above but it meant you could never experience the wonder of motherhood would you? Julie is right this question is often asked in anger/frustration, Obviously I can never know how awful it feels to suffer with periods but I have to believe that it is all woth it when you first hold a new born baby knowing that you created a life. For me to feel a life growing inside you and experiencing the bond that only happens between a mother and child would be worth any sacrifice.

Makina

10-20-2006, 12:18 PM

In fact, if it was just possible for a man to give birth, even if it wasn't possible to become a woman, I would take it immediately. For me, giving birth is transcendant. I would be ready to endure a lot of suffering. If it was possible, my wife would be happy to let me give birth instead of her. And I would be happy too.

Sandra

10-20-2006, 12:33 PM

I do wonder if you could have periods after a few months I wonder how many of you would say "not again I wish this didn't happen every month" I bet there would be quite a few. And no I am not angry about something, not yet anyway. ;)

princessmichelle

10-20-2006, 12:39 PM

Yes.

I want to be respectful of the physical discomfort (and taxation for essentials).

But without it I can only be an impersonator.

"Princess" Michelle

Snookums

10-20-2006, 12:59 PM

periods and pain during childbirth is the price Eve had to pay for eating that apple

Billie Jean

10-20-2006, 01:50 PM

[QUOTE=Jenni Y;599754]I normally try to avoid posts like this, they seem to be posted to inflame the members that come to this forum for support.[QUOTE] I think Jenni is right. I like the momentary escape from masculism, and that is why I dress, not to become a total woman. When it comes to periods, I suffered through many with my ex wife. There is an old but true saying, "If momma ain't happy, then nobody is happy." :tongueout Billie Jean

Megan G

10-20-2006, 01:51 PM

Robin Leigh

10-20-2006, 02:32 PM

While they may not get periods & cramps, the TS girls on estrogen etc surely do know about hormone-related mood swings.

Robin

Leasa Wells

10-20-2006, 02:44 PM

As a Man i have beatin up my body pretty well, fallen out of trees, cut my self with a chain saw,and had three major back surgeries. Basically i have worked my body doing manly things, all of which will give me pain for the rest of my life.

I think each of use either man or women has some pain to live with an yet some how our higher power has given us the strength to live with it.

I know if my body was of a women, i could live with what ever i had to.

:angel:

myMichelle

10-20-2006, 05:21 PM

Personally, I'd like to believe that I could handle having a monthly period, mood swings, etc. but I don't think I'd be too cracked-up on child birth!

Nigella

10-20-2006, 05:30 PM

...but if y'all got to have monthly periods with cramps, moodiness and sporadic bouts with thoughts of killing someone (joking)...

I get this thing monthly, its usually when the bank is empty and there is still some month left :devil:

10-20-2006, 05:40 PM

hi charity

in answer to your question yes i would i am a ts BTW. i just hang out here with all my girl friends. and love the wonderful comments and talk so if i could i would but thats not going to happen. except i do PMS but without the pads..

hugs Marissa

Sky

10-20-2006, 06:08 PM

Just a question...but if y'all got to have monthly periods with cramps, moodiness and sporadic bouts with thoughts of killing someone (joking)...would you still find it as appealing to be...female?? How about child birth? Would you do it? Is that the ultimate fantasy so to speak??...Just wondering...Have a wondeful day!!:D

If only it was the period cramps alone...

How about being underpaid, hitting the glass ceiling, working outside and still having to do the house chores, and having to take care of the kitchen and Junior's diapers while hubby is enjoying a cold one with the boys?

We cds want to wear high heels to party all night, real women want to kick them off after a workday.

DeeInGeorgia

10-20-2006, 08:09 PM

Now we are getting into the really personal arena. A health condition I suffer from does supply me with cramps on about a monthly schedule, but the more well balanced I eat the less often I suffer from those cramps. The cramps can be really severe, to the point of throwing up. And little to no bleeding.

Luckily, the only mood swings are around the time of the local Tri-Ess meeting, happiness before and during the meeting, depression after the meeting. Tho dealing with the kids does lead to rapid mood swings.

Dee

trannie T

10-20-2006, 08:19 PM

I've got the best of both worlds. No cramps, no monthlies, no menopause, I get to wear nice clothes plus I can pee standing up.

Rachel Morley

10-20-2006, 08:45 PM

Just a question...but if y'all got to have monthly periods with cramps, moodiness and sporadic bouts with thoughts of killing someone (joking)...would you still find it as appealing to be...female??
Are you alluding to the fact that sometimes cds refer to themselves as "female" when they are dressed?...and that being female is not all it's cracked up to be? If I understand you correctly, you are pointing out (quite rightly I might say) that being a (real GG) woman is much more than clothes and makeup :happy: I totally agree that some cds (including myself sometimes) forget that being a woman is not a bed of roses and we should remember and respect that.

So to answer your question: No....being cd means I get the best of both worlds.

Amy Hepker

10-20-2006, 09:25 PM

I would have to say that if I had the chance to live life again, I would jump at the chance to be a human Female. Growing up male was not all that much fun. Girls are always excepted and wanted around, where boys are always in the way. It is said that boys mature more slow. Growing up male we miss the gentle loving nurture that girls get. The loving relatives that are always saying nice things to girls in a loving way. A lot males are outcast from others at school by students as well as teachers. Girls are sugar and spice, boys are volger and troublesome. It's no wonder that there is so much troble in this world the way boys are treated. We are expected to put our lives on the line for our country, we are expected to let weman and children go first. Our lives are as males are expendable. Unless you are rich and or famous then you are nobody, just another number for census. Girls wait to be hit on by males and males have to fight for the chance that a girl may look at them. Then a guy has to spend a fortune trying to impress a woman that is out only for a good time. Being a guy has many fall backs that I have not even hit on here and there are other places I don't dare even talk about. Things a woman will never know. I enjoy dressing and wish oh do I wish I could still pass as a woman. I do not like males in anyway and would not want one to hit on me while dressed, I would not want sexual relations with any guy. I would like to have crossdress friends and Female friends to converse with. As it goes I would be a lesbian, except for my male part. That's another thing about Males crossdressing. A lot of weman do not understand and don't want anything to do with us (crossdressers) because they feel Gay themselves being with us. This has happened time and time again with me. I feel so alone in this world with nobody wanting me around and I am only in this world to be crapped on. Oh, I am sorry maybe I have said more than I should have. I hope I have not upset anyone.
GOD BLESS US ALL!!!
AMY

NatalieBliss

10-20-2006, 11:55 PM

The grass really is greener on the otherside! :p

CDCrissy

10-21-2006, 12:03 AM

The thought of from birth having been blessed with ovaries for estrogen, a uterus for progestern...The miracle of maturing from child to women...fertility becoming fetus...nasuea, cramps, bloat at weight gain are all parts of the feminine mystique that many of us dreamt of at least when we were nieve enough to beleive a change could happen.
I feel this post was meant to cause negative feelings in a group of people who are already in many ways unhappy with the reality we have been presented.
We can not change who we are, and only change what we are on the surface.
Enjoy your monthly curse as others share envy...While some suffer a fetish that they confuse with crossdressing, to others the pain og gender is as real and constant as what you endure a few days a month.
May we all find peace within....

Shannon CD

10-21-2006, 12:29 AM

Charity's GG,

this is simply my way of relating to the idea, please don't look at this as argumentative, it is not intended to be so.

I was a reinforcing ironworker for the better part of 20 years. Putting a load of steeel on your shoulder that has been sitting in the sun in 100+ degree heat with nothing but a t-shirt between the hot steel and your shoulder is no fun. Not to mention crushing fingers between bars, getting stabbed several times a day with tie wire, and bending over for hours at a time making hundreds of ties a day with pliers that cramp and callous your hands.

I won't even go into the cold, wet, and miserable winter months.

I sympathize with the pain that a woman goes through in her life, but please remember that men can suffer ongoing physical pain as well. And although some may say that we have a choice, I would say that my creditors have a different opinion.

To answer your question I simply doubt that the conditions that you mentioned would even enter into my thought processes if I were indeed given the choice. It would just be silently understood that it comes with the territory. I hope this gives a different perspective.

Have a wonderful day,

Shannon

Stephenie S

10-21-2006, 12:31 AM

Just a question...but if y'all got to have monthly periods with cramps, moodiness and sporadic bouts with thoughts of killing someone (joking)...would you still find it as appealing to be...female?? How about child birth? Would you do it? Is that the ultimate fantasy so to speak??...Just wondering...Have a wondeful day!!:D

Yes, I would. In a New York minute!!

I have been wishing for this all my life. I have known for as long as I can rermember that I was a girl. Can I ever be a real woman? Or even feel ANYTHING like a real woman? No. Of course it will never happen, but I will do all I can to get as close to it as I can. I have stopped wishing. Now is the time for doing.

Lovies,
Steph

ashlee chiffon

10-21-2006, 01:34 AM

Yes..of course i would accept it all..what a glorious gift of life to be able to give birth!! pain and all...
I've had a dangerous and physically painful job situation for a long period of my life and beat up my body pretty good...the price you pay for being a man in a physical job! no fun either! But i've felt my feminine side from my earliest years and lived my life wanting to be like woman, in all aspects, but sufficed as a man and that's my lot in life..dressing was my escape..more and more as time has gone on...
.but taking the best aspects of Woman in their clothes, makeup,etc, has been a good and fun ride and i would extend it experiencing the rest of the package if i could...and appreciate it!
......good and bad!

Joy Carter

10-21-2006, 01:52 AM

Turning the tables back,(my this table is turning faster than a spinning top) if you could rid yourself of all of the above but it meant you could never experience the wonder of motherhood would you? Julie is right this question is often asked in anger/frustration, Obviously I can never know how awful it feels to suffer with periods but I have to believe that it is all Worth it when you first hold a new born baby knowing that you created a life. For me to feel a life growing inside you and experiencing the bond that only happens between a mother and child would be worth any sacrifice.

Well put Lady Jane, I totally agree. The one thing in my life that I cherish the most other than the woman I'm with is my two kids. In the seventies when they were both born I felt like I was an intruder in the maturity area of the hospital. I wasn't allowed in the delivery room and I had to leave while the babies were breast fed. Upon discharge of my first born the nurse asked "Will The Parent Sign The Release For The Child" When I picked up the pen she went nuts and yelled at me "Your Not The Mother!" Hmmmm parent ? I thought I had a hand in this but I guess I was mistaken. I stepped back and just let things go and when we were waiting for transport the "nurse" asked if I wanted to hold the baby. Baby? Not my child just baby. I told her no that I would wait till I got her in my car so I'd be sure she was mine. She didn't react. I guess I was being overly sensitive but dam I'm the parent of this beautiful child too. So to get to your question I'd say yes, I'd totally accept all that came with being a woman. The most important would be to have been able to give birth. But then I'm just a man. Dam it !

Jenna1561

10-21-2006, 02:57 AM

This has certainly generated a lot of responses. I agree with posters who say that many men suffer through pain, whether it is work related or from serving their nation and being wounded and/or tortured in battle. But women may suffer these same pains, though certainly on a smaller scale population wise, as that is not generally their role in our society.

But I can never experience the pain of childbirth, the pain and discomfort of a monthly menstrual cycle, nor can I experience the joy of carrying and nurturing a growing life within me - the bond of a mother and her newborn child.

My wife has carried our four children and I am very envious of her. I was there and witnessed the body changes, mood swings, pain, discomfort, and joys of her motherhood. From the vomiting and nausea to the clenched fists and face of labor, I envy her. The unbelievable smile of joy and the amazing glow that surrounded her tired, sweaty body as she held for the first time the little life that had been a part of her for nine months.

I will never experience what it is to be a woman. But I can only wish that it had been so. So to answer the initial question - YES, in a heartbeat.

Jenna

Katelyn

10-21-2006, 04:17 AM

My ANswer is yes. I would be willing to take on all of those things to experiment being a female.:D

Kate Simmons

10-21-2006, 07:44 AM

Interesting thread. I guess something like this is okay if a GG brings it up. Well, my answer, Hon, is now and ever shall be a resounding "yes"! Whatever your situation, true survivors learn to adapt. I feel that myself and most of the members here are some of the best "adapters" around. Personally, I am not just a "cutesy" babe who is just in it for the "fluff'.I take myself and my personas very seriously. Sure, we didn't "grow up" with the periods and mood swings as guys but I think a lot of us would be willing to experience the whole "nine yards" of being a woman, including the potential of bearing and raising a child. After all, isn't family values and caring part of what being a woman is all about?:happy: Ericka/Rich

Penny

10-21-2006, 08:07 AM

Just a question...but if y'all got to have monthly periods with cramps, moodiness and sporadic bouts with thoughts of killing someone (joking)...would you still find it as appealing to be...female?? How about child birth? Would you do it? Is that the ultimate fantasy so to speak??...Just wondering...Have a wondeful day!!:D
That's what women got for convincing men to eat the forbidden fruit. Men just got the apple stuck in their throat.:lol: Seriously though, I have great admiration for all that a woman must endure including us. I have no desire to be a woman, just look, smell and feel pretty much the same as women feel at certain times. However, I'm sure not at the times you have mentioned.
:hugs:
Penny

gretafemme

10-21-2006, 07:56 PM

I have thought about this quite a bit. I know that just wearing pretty dresses and posing and acting as a woman is not a realistic portrayal of a woman. Women are so complex and wonderful. I have tried to show my respect for all the aspects of womanhood and when I dress, I do so want to honor women in it. I would definitely take the monthly periods and also the wonderful experience of pregnancy and childbirth. The only problem would be, I'd want a GG to make me pregnant..:D . I actually have learned to enjoy doing my housework and errands as a woman. It gives one a better perspective. I love sharing this with women, and I am quite open to learning from, and emulating them as well. Bless all you wonderful GG's:love:

linnea

10-21-2006, 08:08 PM

I am sure that if I were to choose to have monthly periods, I would at some time--sooner or later--regret the choice and wish to reverse it. However, as several other respondents have said, I would be willing to sacrifice and put up with a lot, as GGs do all the time, in order to have the extraordinary experience of carrying and bearing a child. And I know that carrying a child is not all sweetness and light also. In the very short amount of time that I wore and "empathy belt" I got a taste of the discomfort and unpleasantness of carrying a child.
I have fantasized many times about being pregnant, and as I wrote in response to another thread recently, I was fascinated by the movie starring Arnold Schwarzennegger in which he portrayed a pregnant man. Arnold is certainly not my role model, but in this particular role and through this movie, he brought out some of the difficulties and the glories of child-bearing.
I must say, that if it were possible, I would jump at the chance even if it meant that I would have to deal with monthly periods (cramps, bloating, achiness, etc.), menopause, and the discomfort and pain of carrying the child to full term.

I do wonder if you could have periods after a few months I wonder how many of you would say "not again I wish this didn't happen every month" I bet there would be quite a few. And no I am not angry about something, not yet anyway. ;)

JenniferMint

10-21-2006, 08:50 PM

GG Vanya

10-21-2006, 09:20 PM

Not to be insensitive, but it's a typical male trait to always want to take the easy route Jennifer. :D

This seems to be a pattern with you regarding your journey. :confused:

Jenna1561

10-21-2006, 09:31 PM

Jennifer,

I don't intend to be mean but, while it may make things easier on you to hypothetically elect one of the surgeries you listed, it is a rather insensitive thought, at least imo. Many women suffer immense emotional and physical distress upon learning that they MUST undergo such a surgery or put their health and life at risk.

I don't personally know of any women who elect such surgery just to make their life more comfortable.

Sorry if I offended you.

Jenna

JenniferMint

10-22-2006, 01:26 AM

There's nothing wrong with taking the easy route, as long as one isn't being myopic and taking a route that seems easy *now* but will be more trouble overall in the long run.

I've read a news article in the past that said some women undergo hysterectomy just to avoid menstruation. I don't have a citation though, and that news article didn't say how common it was.

As for endometrial ablation, it's an outpatient procedure with relatively few risks. Problem is it only eliminates menstrual periods for some people, not all.

I don't think talking about cutting out a uterus should be considered insensitive. Just ask the FTMs here!

ReginaK

10-22-2006, 01:54 AM

Jammie Lyann

10-22-2006, 01:55 AM

All my life Ive always wounder what it would have been like to been born a woman , to have children of my own in that matter an so on , I hear women stat you guys have it so easy you dont have to go through this an I just clamp my mouth, an think to myself if only you knew how I would have had like the choice.
not to say that I havent enjoyed the life I do have its lots of fun an nerve racking at times liveing a double life.

Now mind you I have been married 4 times, current wife Ive been with 7 year an going ,( an we all have/had Mothers ) so Ive been around my share of the monthly , Ive went to the store an bought the items for them when needed an never though twice about buying that stuff, now some women have it easy with 1 to 2 days very light an other can last as long as 7+ day with sever cramps that keeps them home from work an in bed,

Does knowing all this change my oppion, not at all.
had I been given the choice in the womb if I wanted to be man or women, I would have selected the Female status ,
However then life would have been differant for me all around, an I would not have the 2 sons I have now.

So for now an the rest of my life Ill accept playing a duel roll an be glad for what I was given.

Lisa Maren

10-22-2006, 04:30 AM

I actually do have mood swings, to be sure. :D :mad: :( :D Believe me, somtimes I get so depressed that I think I'm borderline suicidal, but I always come out of it. I do not have menstrual cramps, of course, but I do have other aches and pains which, though they arise from different sources (such as backaches that I get because I have scoliosis), are no less painful. So, I pretty much have all of that other than childbirth, of course.

Would I start over again and be born female? I don't know. I am still confused about my gender at this point. However, if I did come to understand that I should have been born a girl and was given a chance to start all over again as a girl, I would do it in a heartbeat. I would have no problem at all with the idea of facing menstruation and childbirth.

This next bit is not meant to be insulting and I hope it doesn't come across that way: Please believe me when I tell you that the lonliness, the self-esteem problems, the lack of friends during my youth, and the sense of just not belonging in this world (all of which probably arose from being CD/TG) that I have felt in this life far, far exceed the physical pain of monthly menstrual cramps and likely menopause as well. Menstrual cramps leave you alone most of the time. The above things have been going on for a good twenty-five years, with the exception that I have friends now. But even without the lack of friends bothering me anymore, even the lonliness on its own is far worse. Every time I look at my brother and his wife and their three kids, I know in my heart that I may never have that. That hurts worse than any cramp or any hot flash.

I don't mean to disrespect any of the things women go through; I respect everything about women a great deal. I hope you can believe that. I'm only trying to say that if I could get rid of the lonliness, the feeling of not belonging in this world, the self-esteem problems and low probability of finding romantic happiness (since I'm a CD) in exchange for having to go through menstruation, childbirth and menopause, I would do it so fast it would short-circuit your brain.

Hugs,
Lisa

Raychel

10-22-2006, 08:14 AM

There is no way that I would take on all the things that my wife has had to deal with. From the childbirth, (Operation) to the mood swings, all the things that she does around the house and working at an underpaid job. and then dealing with a crossdressing husband besides. I can't imagine anyone taking on that much willingly. I have no idea how women do it these days. Women's liberation, I don't think so, You still have a long way to go baby. When you just get to go to work and come home and sit on you fat a$$, drink beer and watch football. Then the women will be equals.

But for now I worship even one of those women and all the dirty jobs that they do for us lazy men.

:yrtw: :yrtw: :yrtw:

Sorry for that little tangent.

:sb:

Jestina

10-22-2006, 01:15 PM

My two daughters have horrid miserable monthly cramps much like their mother did.
It pains me terribly to see them suffer.

I am one of those cross dressers who has absolutely no desire to be a real woman, I just likle the "fun part" of being a girl.

I love women but I am very happy as a man.

Because I feel I am very unique and I have a lot to offer my sisters from a hard earned and very unique perspective.

So my answer is obvious.

I think?

Jestina.

Sky

10-23-2006, 10:36 AM

I was a reinforcing ironworker for the better part of 20 years. Putting a load of steeel on your shoulder that has been sitting in the sun in 100+ degree heat with nothing but a t-shirt between the hot steel and your shoulder is no fun. Not to mention crushing fingers between bars, getting stabbed several times a day with tie wire, and bending over for hours at a time making hundreds of ties a day with pliers that cramp and callous your hands.

Shannon,

I work in steel construction too (I have the easy part -designer). On a recent site visit to a worksite, one of the structural welders working on the roof framing was a girl. And it's not the first time. It might have been a novelty in 1983 (remember Alex, the dancer / welder in Flashdance?) but it's not anymore.

:love:,
Sky