Girls don't have it easy

[Jen.A]

I went to the local tg bar Saturday and I now see women in a different light. Anyway I'm at the bar working down my first drink a guy comes up to me and says "do you party ?" I had no idea what he was talking about so I said "what". "Do you party ?" he asked again. "Sorry" I said, like I couldn't hear him. "Do you do lines?" he replies. Hold on thats a great come on. Please take me to the parking lot and coke me up. I can hardly wait, I always wanted to be a coke Wh*re. I shook my head and said no thanks.


A muscular guy comes over and asks if I want to go party with him the night. No thanks I said but get this, after a moment he asks why not? And he said it like I was being unfair!! I gotta work tomorrow I said. For some reason that guy made me feel uncomfortable.
It was how he asked me why not :thumbsdn:


It was after last call I went upstairs to use the washroom. I used the guys washroom cause well I'm a guy rite and thats where I feel comfortable. Its was a small washroom with a couple urinals and a couple toilets. There were some people there so I used the toilet. I closed the door locked it lifted the seat hum.. starting to really feel those bears.. I could feel something else too, rite between my legs sliding up my backside. I look over my shoulder and someones standing behind me! What the f**k! He was so close O my god and when I turned my head round he didn't even move just stood there. Whats wrong with people. Like this guy must have known the catch was missing from the door( probably in his pocket) Now I now why women complain about locks and flimsy doors.


Almost everyone else was normal just like any other bar. Its hard to believe I was only there for three hours :rolleyes:



Jen :)

[JenniferMint]

Sounds like a scary bar!

[Kate Simmons]

I get a kick out of these kinds of guys Jen. They just assume you are their own private party on two legs. They have all the "charm" of a cue ball and are only interested in a "quickie".No wonder some of them can't find "real" women. This is why I developed an "attitude" as Ericka. I'm interested in socializing and friendships and anything else happens on my terms. You are right though. I know how women feel when they get "hit on" like a piece of meat and things like this give me appreciation for what they go through.:happy: Ericka Kay

[JeanneF]

As an ex-girlfriend of mine once said: "All boys are shady". Just remember, when you go out dressed, "girl rules" apply...always watch your drink, travel in packs, and don't get so plastered you go home with someone you'll regret in the morning.

Seriously, your experience in the restroom is the reason that I ALWAYS use the women's room at bars, whether it's a gay or straight bar. Too much of a risk of some sleazy guy following you in and doing harm to you.

Some of the most interesting conversations you can have are in the women's restroom at a straight club. :)

[Kate Simmons]

Just to add to what I previously said, I had a guy stalking me one night in the parking lot at the club and harassing me about a year ago. I ended that real quick by shoving him up against a car and asked him what his problem was. Turned out to be a real wuss and haven't seen him since. I'm not above "borrowing" a little of Richard's muscle if I need to. Most of the folks there have a great deal of respect for me. This was the rare exception.:happy: Ericka Kay

[Scotty]

That sounds scary!!

I have to go to capitol hill for evaluation, medical stuff etc and my purse has a nice spot for my 38 special and I don't hesitate to carry it..no can do in bars though :(

I'm glad you are safe, that could have turned out worse, much worse!!

[Sandra]

It was after last call I went upstairs to use the washroom. I used the guys washroom cause well I'm a guy rite and thats where I feel comfortable. Its was a small washroom with a couple urinals and a couple toilets. There were some people there so I used the toilet. I closed the door locked it lifted the seat hum.. starting to really feel those bears.. I could feel something else too, rite between my legs sliding up my backside. I look over my shoulder and someones standing behind me! What the f**k! He was so close O my god and when I turned my head round he didn't even move just stood there. Whats wrong with people. Like this guy must have known the catch was missing from the door( probably in his pocket) Now I now why women complain about locks and flimsy doors.
Jen :)

Now you know why a lot of GGs go to the loo together, it's not just to gossip.

[Maria2004]

I ended that real quick by shoving him up against a car and asked him what his problem was. Turned out to be a real wuss and haven't seen him since. I'm not above "borrowing" a little of Richard's muscle if I need to. Ericka Kay:thumbsup:

Yep, it sux but sometimes that's what it takes, "weakness breeds aggression". I'm totally -not- surprised by your experience Jen. The combination of booze, drugs and sexual tension tends to create some very ugly creatures. I have my cell phone, my pepper spray, although I own them, I will not carry a handgun. My best defense is not putting myself in a iffy situation to begin with. I think your experience is a good example of that.

[Jesse69]

Well -with the way you look in your avatar maybe they were expecting that they could get something from you...

[kittypw GG]

Welcome to our dark side. I always hated going to a crowed bar. Some guy ALWAYS felt he was entittled to cop a feel as you pass buy. Some guys think that you are just clammering for a piece of them. They don't understand rejection when you don't pay them attention they will undoubtly call you DIKE! cause that would be the only reason for the rejection.
Sorry for your bad expirence but nice to know that you understand what women do really go though. Kitty

[Diana West]

Having been one of those guys at one point in my life, all I can say is that's the way it is.

I really can't apologize for it nor can I say I was ashamed. I was just a young, self-centered, sophomoric guy in a bar with too much to drink. Maybe it's just a "rite of passage" or "practice" or "a joke." It's something I've done and seen done several times. And each time they guy gets shot down. How are guys going to learn otherwise?


What gets me are the older guys who still act that way. For them, I just feel pity.

[Karren H]

Ewwwwww.... I never have that problem!! Not many men in the ladies section of the department store and those that are there are very nice!! Actually I've never been to a bar or club enfemme....not that I don't have the chance, it just doesn't do anything for me!! I'd rather just go to the mall or a park or a theater or a resturant..... But that's just me!!

Love Karren

[MJ]

hi Jen
That sounds scary!!.. that is why i have never gone to a bar em femme even a gay bar for all the reasons you have said.. and i would love to just once be able to let my hair down... now that i have it .and enjoy myself with out any problems but i don't want to get in to a negative situation Jen you were lucky this time i don't want to think what could have happen to you...
your angel was looking out for you that night ... hugs Marissa

[Dixie Darling]

LisaK said:




Some of the most interesting conversations you can have are in the women's restroom at a straight club. :)

This is INTERESTING. Could you eleborate further?

Dixie -- http://www.geocities.com/senorita_cd

[Calliope]

Sounds like it's time for a new nightspot.

Maybe less bellybutton, too.

[JeanneF]

This is INTERESTING. Could you eleborate further?

Lol...lets just say that I've had a couple of hookups result from girls I chatted with in the restroom at straight dance clubs or afterhours parties. Fixing my makeup in the restroom at a club, girls seem very eager to approach, ask questions, etc. Strike up a conversation, dance with them, then surprise the hell out of them when you mention that you like boys and girls too...

[Jen.A]

"Sounds like it's time for a new nightspot.

Maybe less bellybutton, too".



"Well -with the way you look in your avatar maybe they were expecting that they could get something from you"...



Can you be justifying a means to treat someone according to their preference on clothes? Whats more true "women who wear sexually appealing clothes are all wh*res or women should dress conservatively because men are uncontrollable dumb animals who can't see anything that doesn't fit their little world.



This is a picture of my jacket not that it should matter but I never even fully unzipped it.




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[Sierra Evon]

I know soo many guys are just jerks, especially where I live , its like every guy is the same way , they all act like there all bad-asses...I had this one guy hit on me about 6 months ago, at this club , he would not leave me alone , finaly he gave up thank god....., but thats when I truly realized , Im not ever going out alone ever again...just with other girls or not at all...:hugs:

[Calliope]

Can you be justifying a means to treat someone according to their preference on cloths? Whats more true "women who wear sexually appealing clothes are all wh*res or women should dress conservatively because men are uncontrollable dumb animals who can't see anything that doesn't fit their little world.


Ideologically speaking, I believe ladies should have the freedom to dress like hookers (should they choose) and be treated like ladies.

And, although the risks for CDs and TGs who dress sexually provocatively are considerably greater than they are for ladies, I believe the same.

So, I stand corrected.

You just need a less sleazy nightspot.

[Jen.A]

Well I hope someone pm's me if they ever see a hooker wearing the same thing as me.



Boy, imagine the chaos if hookers started to dress casual. :confused: :beatup:



Jen :)

[kittypw GG]

"Sounds like it's time for a new nightspot.

Maybe less bellybutton, too".



"Well -with the way you look in your avatar maybe they were expecting that they could get something from you"...



Can you be justifying a means to treat someone according to their preference on cloths? Whats more true "women who wear sexually appealing clothes are all wh*res or women should dress conservatively because men are uncontrollable dumb animals who can't see anything that doesn't fit their little world.



This is a picture of my jacket not that it should matter but I never even fully unzipped it.




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You go girl!:iagree: :cheer: I was going to say why something similar. Kitty

[Iniquity Blonde GG]

alot ofwomen are percived that if your dressed in short skirt, make-up, high heels, ur after one thing !! ok, maybe "some" GG's are like that, but its very rare. and like sandra said, it is VERY true, thats why we go to toilet in groups, if ur seen dressed like that, and maybe drunk, they think ur a sitting target !! now adays more so, u have to be so so careful, it isnt damn easy being GG one way or another !! :straightface:

[Joyciecd]

I almost always go places, including bars and clubs, with my boyfriend or a pack of other t girls, and have never had that problem. However, we do avoid the places that have bad reputations. On the other hand, I do know a couple friendly places that I frequent infrequently alone when out of town on my rounds. These are intimate places where CD's are welcome and they watch over us. I have never had any problems there.

[Calliope]

Boy, imagine the chaos if hookers started to dress casual.

Check out the photo on the front page of today's New York Times.

The article isn't about chaos, btw.

[Jen.A]

This I'm assuming is a casually dressed hooker?



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Perhaps I can start over?. Your advice however presumptuous Is practical and I should have taken it as such, sorry. :(


I just don't like being the solution for some one else's problem.


Jen :)

[Calliope]

Babe, don't let me be misunderstood!

I'm not saying you look like a hooker in your avatar. Not in the least. (Ya see, there really is no 'hooker look' anymore - sex workers have dressed 'down' for years, at least in the real world.)

I was pointing out, going by your presentation here (in your avatar), devil horns and exosed midrift, you were dressed provocatively.

And, from there, I made the suggestion that dressing provocatively in a 'tg bar' might have sent a signal you were looking for some, er, action.

When you chastised my words - in the language of feminism (fairly enough) - said I believe ladies dressing like hookers, meaning, dressing as sexy as they damn well please, should expect to be treated 'like ladies,' that is decently and without crudity or abuse.

I used the term 'hooker' only to emphasize that clothes, meaning sexual attire, should never be construed as license for harrassment or abuse.

Yes, I did qualify that proposition somewhat by pointing out doing so in a potentially sexual environment might be looking for heat.

And, in summation, I still think you might have been grooving on that attention because, to my perception (however misconstrued), your post sounds more like a boast about your 'hot appearance' than an avowal of sympathy to GGs who simply wanna have fun.

Am I off my rocker here?

[Stacy GG]

Well -with the way you look in your avatar maybe they were expecting that they could get something from you...
some guys think they are entitled wether your dressed up or not. Some guys just want action and don't care how they get it.
That's why I always carry mace and try to remember my tae kwon do training :D

[Jen.A]

Are you some kinda outa work psychiatrist?




Babe, don't let me be misunderstood!

I'm not saying you look like a hooker in your avatar. Not in the least. (Ya see, there really is no 'hooker look' anymore - sex workers have dressed 'down' for years, at least in the real world.)

I was pointing out, going by your presentation here (in your avatar), devil horns and exosed midrift, you were dressed provocatively.

And, from there, I made the suggestion that dressing provocatively in a 'tg bar' might have sent a signal you were looking for some, er, action.

When you chastised my words - in the language of feminism (fairly enough) - said I believe ladies dressing like hookers, meaning, dressing as sexy as they damn well please, should expect to be treated 'like ladies,' that is decently and without crudity or abuse.

I used the term 'hooker' only to emphasize that clothes, meaning sexual attire, should never be construed as license for harrassment or abuse.

Yes, I did qualify that proposition somewhat by pointing out doing so in a potentially sexual environment might be looking for heat.

And, in summation, I still think you might have been grooving on that attention because, to my perception (however misconstrued), your post sounds more like a boast about your 'hot appearance' than an avowal of sympathy to GGs who simply wanna have fun.

Am I off my rocker here?





Mostly but you gave it a goode go!

[Maria2004]

Babe, don't let me be misunderstood! Don't worry you will



your post sounds more like a boast about your 'hot appearance' than an avowal of sympathy to GGs who simply wanna have fun.

yep


Am I off my rocker here?

Nope

[Kate Simmons]

Gersh Ma'am, ya think? HMM, Seems some of us guy/girls here are of the same "cut". By that I mean we tend to look at things from both angles. The point is if I was at the bar in "guy" mode I would look at Jen as a a'hottie" too. Not because of the way she was dressed but because she IS a hottie. Okay, so I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm just saying when the feelings are there, you have to expect some kind of interaction, especially from "sex crazed" guys who think about it every 16 seconds. I've been on the receiving end myself as Ericka. I must admit, I eat up the attention--to a point! If they start to get annoying, I basically tell 'em to "buzz off". Sometimes, if they don't get the hint, I revert to my basic tomboy self and tell them where the bear poops in the woods. I do like playing the "game" though. Makes me feel good as my femme self. I'm perfectly capable of turning into the "She-hulk" when necessary though.:happy: Ericka Kay