"Criminal profiling"

[Jill]

I told a friend earlier this year about my dressing and it turned out to be kind of a mistake. I posted the story in a thread when it happened if you want to more about that. Basically, she was not very accepting or understanding and I'm not entirely sure why I told her in the first place. Anyway, she told me about a chapter in her criminal profiling class at college that is dedicted to crossdressers and crossdressing.
I have to say, I was a little bothered this. Especially because she was definitely siding with what was said in class but also because apparently there is a criminal profile on people like us. What is that? Is there also a chapter on frat boys or athletes? I'm not one to complain about things like this but my friend is definitely trusting a book over me on this. But she's just opposed to the whole CD thing in general. Anyway, I just wanted to get that out.

[JoAnnDallas]

I for one would be curoius to what it says about CDer's..

[ColleenCD]

Jill,

Well that certainly is not helping my trust issues.:straightface:

Has anyone seen my sunglasses and floppy hat?

Colleen

[janedoe311]

I have taken these classes. They touch on all criminal behaviors.

It is not all that uncommon for a robber to be crossdressed during a robbery. It is a great way to hide your identity, better than a false beard and quick to change, just pull off the skirt and have male clothes underneath.

I am sure she only has looked into that aspect of CD'ing.

Do not worry; just do not bring up the subject again.

[Calliope]

Is there also a chapter on frat boys or athletes?

Our country is being run by frat boys.

'Nuff said!

[tekla west]

Non-athletic frat boys at that. Why play baseball when you can just buy a team?

She just needed to read more, it turns out when you have gone through all the profiles that everyone is a suspect. As the Los Angeles Police say "arrest them first, we will figure out what they are guilty of later."

[Bethanygirl]

Maybe it was a fashion police training?

[Billie1]

Wow! That would certainly put a damper on my day. You mentioned that she was taking a profiling class. Exactly what type of 'college' was she going to, anyway?

But, to the point, I would imagine that any type of behavior that alters one's appearance, especially one as dramatically as CD'ing, could be considered an obstruction, or threat to public safety. Even more so, in the post-9/11 era.
I'm sure that crossdressing, and many other activities that didn't get so much as a second glance before, can now be considered a breach of 'national security'. And, wow, once 'they' have this mandate, 'they' sure seem to take right off with it.

I certainly hope that the extent of the profile was moderated with the odds against a weapon, or bomb being carried in a Gucci handbag. :eek:

With all of the debates about the compromising of an individual's right to privacy/freedom/etc, in the face of a greater public need for security, this would seem to be another question of how far is too far. It would be interesting to hear the perspective of some of our UK friends, whom, in many ways have been dealing with this far longer than us in the States.

And, let your friend know that it would be very difficult to flee the scene of a crime in four-inch heels, and a tight, slit skirt.:D

[carla smith]

Anytime you are "disguised" it will cause a certain amount of discomfort to some "public servants".

It will be better (less discomfort) when we have our ID chips inserted! Then we can be satelite tracked to and from the mall!

Have fun out there!

Hey, I am a frat boi, and college athlete! I turned out OK in spite of it! Honest!

[Kate Simmons]

Humph! Only one thing.I can "profile" them just as well as they can "profile" me (probably better really). I "clock" people(not CD's)myself when I'm out as Ericka.:happy:

[Kimberley]

I dont know about this profiling thing. Seems like a pseudo science to me. Maybe we should ask Tom what's his name? He's an authority on pseudo science. LOL.

Seriously, I think those of you south of the 49th have a lot of personal security and privacy issues to deal with including the 4th amendment which is the largest offender in my ignorant view.

Doesnt this profiling just fall into the hysteria of there's a red under every bed? If we look at the McCarthy era and compare it to today, the parallels are uncanny.

Dangerous stuff when it is used to trample human rights. But what do I know? I'm a Canuck and probably on every list Homeland Security has due to my well-known and documented, radical, largely centrist, but slightly left of center views.

:hugs:
Kimberley.

[Nikki Dee]

Some friend.??...I'd be crossing that one off the list.!
Nikki. x

[tekla west]

Well, you people north of the 49th (and I'm still mad about that, whatever happened to 54/40 or Fight?? Hun! What about that!) just don't get it. Our beloved dear leader has assured us that the terrorists hate us because of our freedom, and in order to keep our freedom and keep them hating us, it was necessary to give it up. So he gave all of our freedom to Dick Cheney who is keeping it at an undisclosed location. Hopes that helps you out.

As for psudo-scientific, how dare you! You know that real science has been pretty much outlawed here also. Otherwise we might have to think that global warming is real or something.

So, its perfect for profiling. We get a list (with everyone on it) and when we stop them for DWB/DWM (Driving while Black or Mexican) or whatever its not because of being RACIST, nah, its the profile. Yeesh, how easy is that.

John Candy was right in Canadian Bacon, just as South Park was in thier Acadamy Award (BIG COPYRIGHT SYMBOL HERE) nominated song.

in case you forgot.....

Sheila: Times have changed
Our kids are getting worse
They won't obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Sharon: Should we blame the government?
Liane: Or blame society?
Dads: Or should we blame the images on TV?
Sheila: No, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flapping heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It's Canada's fault!
Sharon: Don't blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the damn cartoon
And now he's off to join the Klan!
Liane: And my boy Eric once
Had my picture on his shelf
But now when I see him he tells me to **** myself!
Sheila: Well, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: It seems that everything's gone wrong
Since Canada came along
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Copy Guy: They're not even a real country anyway
Ms. McCormick: My son could've been a doctor or a lawyer rich and true,
Instead he burned up like a piggy on the barbecue
Everyone: Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
Sheila: heck no!
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their hockey hullabaloo
Liane: And that bitch Anne Murray too
Everyone: Blame Canada
Shame on Canada
For...
The smut we must stop
The trash we must bash
The Laughter and fun
Must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!!!!

[carla smith]

Am I part of Canada and just did not know it? Confused north of the 49th and south of 54..40.

Can I say that would not be so bad, without being profiled?

If you are reading this, big brother, just kidding!

[Melissa A.]

Can my id chip identify me as a part time girl so the officer will just sigh, shake his head, and leave me alone? I'll pay the extra. In light of recent events, (Grandfatherism can do that) Even Darth Vader, wherever he is, may allow me that.

Hugs,

Melissa:happy:

[Jill]

No offense to any frat boys or student athletes here, but you have to admit, we see frat boys and athletes in the news breaking the law a lot more then we see crossdressers doing it. There seems to be no end to the rape cases and hazing incidents. Ease up on the booze boys...

And this friend of mine really isn't that close of a friend. I've known her for years but she's becoming more of an internet chat buddy then a friend. I'm not entirely sure why I turned to her when I felt the need to talk about it, I just felt the need to do it and she was online and now it is what it is. Live and learn I guess.

[Kimberley]

54/40? Great band....

Oh Kat, you had me in stitches with that post. I loved it!!!

[RonnaDee]

Crimnal Profiling everyone to me seems to me to be a waste of time, except possibly in major serial crimnals, such as rapists and killers.

"Its who you are and not how you appear that makes you what you are."

Appearance does not a crimnal make.:tongueout

[Billie1]

[QUOTE=tekla west;672304]Well, you people north of the 49th (and I'm still mad about that, whatever happened to 54/40 or Fight?? Hun! What about that!) just don't get it. Our beloved dear leader has assured us that the terrorists hate us because of our freedom, and in order to keep our freedom and keep them hating us, it was necessary to give it up. So he gave all of our freedom to Dick Cheney who is keeping it at an undisclosed location. Hopes that helps you out.



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[Melinda G]

OK girls. Repeat after me 100 times. "Other people don't understand what we do. We don't even understand what we do. This is my little secret, and I will enjoy it to the fullest, and keep it a secret, for my own good". :happy:

[Samantha B L]

I don't know.I bet that a lot of crossdressers are involved in safecracking and train robberies.It's gotta be so!After all,these involve disguise and masquerade.Right?I mean,it's all over the news every day.Samantha

[Joy Carter]

I thought when I came outta the closet I wasn't hiding anymore.+? :hiding:

Oh BTW I thought this was the MF column, not the I hate "W" column.:rolleyes:

[MarinaTwelve200]

fascism = Powerful expressions of nationalism, disdain for human rights, identification of enemies as a unifying cause, avid militarism, a controlled mass media, obsession with national security, religion and ruling tied together, power of corporations protected & labor suppressed, disdain of intellectuals and the arts, obsession with crime and punishment, rampant cronyism and corruption, and fraudulent elections. Sound Familiar?

Yeah like Hitler and Sadam Husein. Gee, get rid of the "corporations" and it sounds like a sounds almost like a SOCIALIST DICTATORSHIP---Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Kim Il, etc,:D

[tekla west]

Speaking of crossdressing and cops.... This just in

"Police were initially barred by students from entering the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity house because a ritual was going on. Undeterred, authorities interrupted the solemn proceedings only to find men dressed in women's panties, fairy wings, diapers and wigs sobbing amidst pools of urine and vomit, so drunk that many could not stand."

Or, from another report....

"At first, investigators were told they could not go inside because a "ritual" was being performed, police said. When officers entered, they saw seven or eight crawling men wearing bras and women's underpants and one man sobbing on the floor and wearing a rainbow-colored wig and a diaper.

One man wearing a pink tank top, women's underwear and a blond wig lay on the floor vomiting while another participant held his head up, the report states."

as the verse went at my undergraduate school ....

I'm sorry I pleaged SAE
thier making a queer out of me
They dress like thier mothers and sleep with thier brothers
I'm sorry I pledged SAE

Just didn't know it was true. Otherwise I would have pledged SAE and not TKE.

[Sierra Evon]

If she's opposed to CDers , its sounds to me like she's just a hater!!!, she wants to write a book I say good for you, just dont say anything negative to my face, profile all you like , she probably does'nt understand anyways.., at least thats my take on this thread......

[Christina Nicole]

Some good guesses here and there. Some -- uhh-- nutty ideas, too. A couple of really wacky comments that have nothing at all to with the topic.

On the other hand former FBI agent Roy Hazelwood was one of their pioneering expert on criminal profiling. He worked many crimes that were sexual in nature. He said about auto erotic fatalities, in an interview, "I had one guy who drove out to a park in the middle of the night, undressed, redressed in female clothing, got into the back seat, and played Russian Roulette. He died."

He also mentions Gerard John Schaefer who was suspected of 29 murders.


We believe that he would arrest his victims and then take them out to the swamps. We think he fed them Ex-lax and made them drink beer, because he liked to watch them defecate and urinate. Then he would have them mount a ladder and he'd hang them. When they were dead, he'd bury them, and then he would come back and have sex with the bodies.

Here's the frightening part. When he couldn't get a victim, he would play the role of a victim himself. He'd cross-dress and hang himself, and he took pictures of it.

Then there was James Mitchell DeBardeleben, from the East Coast, who was a sexual sadist/serial rapist. We believe he murdered several women. He would also cross-dress. When he tortured his victims, he had a script for them to follow. When he couldn't get a victim, he would go on tape himself—I have these tapes—and in a high falsetto voice, go over the script that he'd force his victims to say. He used himself as a prop for his sadistic fantasies.

Pretty sick stuff. And seems like crossdressing was a key part of the crime and therefore justified as part of the criminal's profile. Police and experienced investigators also use the term criminal profile in a very different way than civilians and especially the ignorant news media. There would be significantly fewer outrages and misunderstandings if people would simply pay attention to what technical terms actually mean.

You can read more here (http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/profiling/hazelwood/1.html).

OH! Regarding Jill's comment,
No offense to any frat boys or student athletes here, but you have to admit, we see frat boys and athletes in the news breaking the law a lot more then we see crossdressers doing it. There seems to be no end to the rape cases and hazing incidents. Ease up on the booze boys... Please see, Florida Today (http://www.tallahassee.com/legacy/special/blogs/2006/11/ritualistic-drunken-crossdressing.html)
Police were initially barred by students from entering the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity house because a ritual was going on. Undeterred, authorities interrupted the solemn proceedings only to find men dressed in women's panties, fairy wings, diapers and wigs sobbing amidst pools of urine and vomit, so drunk that many could not stand.

Solemn ritual? Someone needs access to a dictionary.

Warm regards,
Christina Nicole

[tekla west]

"solemn proceedings only to find men dressed in women's panties, fairy wings, diapers and wigs sobbing amidst pools of urine and vomit, so drunk that many could not stand"

Well you know its solemn because of the "women's panties, fairy wings, diapers and wigs" otherwise, "sobbing amidst pools of urine and vomit, so drunk that many could not stand" is just any Thursday, Friday or Saturday night on Frat Row. Remember, Animal House was not a comedy as much as it was a documenty on frat life in the 1970s. As it says in one article on the movie "Developed by the editors at the Harvard Lampoon, the film is a collection of true-life experiences and memories with a great deal of embellishment." Like changing the name of the college from Dartmouth to Farber.

[Watching Flounder take abuse at ROTC]
Otter: He can't do that do that to our pledges.
Boon: Only we can do that to our pledges.

And, as I'm sure they are going to be saying at that school soon....

"But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America."

Thank you, sir! May I have another?

[carla smith]

I went thru the SAE house during rush week....but thier panties did not fit....so I had to pledge Pi Kappa Alpha, ya the PIKE house! At least the panties fit! I took an oath not to tell......

Yes, mom, I was just kidding!

Have fun out there!

[Lisa Golightly]

And this friend of mine really isn't that close of a friend. I've known her for years but she's becoming more of an internet chat buddy then a friend. I'm not entirely sure why I turned to her when I felt the need to talk about it, I just felt the need to do it and she was online and now it is what it is. Live and learn I guess.

There is a often a tendency to think telling someone who isn't close will have less impact on our life. Problem is if they aren't that close then you neither really know them, nor have any influence on their discretion. It's easier to gossip about someone who is on the peripheral than part of the extended family. The first three people I ever told were close, but not close, and they all told other people.

As for the profiling thing... If you only read one book and believe it's infallible then you are an intellectual vacuum.

[tekla west]

"As for the profiling thing... If you only read one book and believe it's infallible then you are an intellectual vacuum."

You mean there is more than just one book? That's scary.

[Joy Carter]

Speaking of cross dressing and cops.... This just in

"Police were initially barred by students from entering the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity house because a ritual was going on. Undeterred, authorities interrupted the solemn proceedings only to find men dressed in women's panties, fairy wings, diapers and wigs sobbing amidst pools of urine and vomit, so drunk that many could not stand."

Or, from another report....

"At first, investigators were told they could not go inside because a "ritual" was being performed, police said. When officers entered, they saw seven or eight crawling men wearing bras and women's underpants and one man sobbing on the floor and wearing a rainbow-colored wig and a diaper.

One man wearing a pink tank top, women's underwear and a blond wig lay on the floor vomiting while another participant held his head up, the report states."

as the verse went at my undergraduate school ....

I'm sorry I pledged SAE
their making a queer out of me
They dress like their mothers and sleep with their brothers
I'm sorry I pledged SAE

Just didn't know it was true. Otherwise I would have pledged SAE and not TKE.

Has this a source or is it another "Fiction Mania" story +? Or wishful thinking.:rolleyes:

[tekla west]

Of course it has a source, two different ones in fact. (hence the two different quotes - that's how that works.) Go right to the source and ask the horse, he'll give you the answer that you'll endorse. He's always on a steady course... A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And this one'll talk 'til his voice is hoarse. You never heard of a talking horse? Well, then you need to get out more.

Quite recent too. Somewhere in Flordia. Google it.

Or are you talking about me pledging and joining TKE? Also true. Did two and a half year before it was a choice between TKE or PBK, I picked number two. Looks better on my record.

[Lisa Golightly]

You mean there is more than just one book? That's scary.

It sure is, but run with it ;)

[tekla west]

I'm already running with scissors. Does that count?

[Lisa Golightly]

I'm already running with scissors. Does that count?

Depends which way the blades a pointing I guess...

[Kate Simmons]

Depends which way the blades a pointing I guess...Good "point" Lisa. Well, I guess Mr. Ed is alive and well and living in SF. God I loved that horse, always making a "jackass" out of Wilber. I watched the show to look at Connie Hines mostly though being a teenager who was full of hormones. Can you spell: "s-t-a-c-k-e-d? Woosh!:happy: EKR

[Diana West]

That's strange that they would waster their time profiling CD.
I mean, think about it.
How hard is it to run away after commiting a crime while in high heels?

[cdeeko]

"You mean there is more than just one book? That's scary."


Oh there are lots of books but as a wise man once said....

"Print is dead."
-Egon, Ghostbutsers.

Course I must be a biblonecrophiliac--I still love to read.:heehee: :devil:

[Calliope]

Well, I guess Mr. Ed is alive and well and living in SF. God I loved that horse, always making a "jackass" out of Wilber. I watched the show to look at Connie Hines mostly though being a teenager who was full of hormones.

That show was twisted ! Wilber never seemed too interested in his wife (classic sexual tension motif), but was pretty fond of his horse (unique sexual tension). Subversive!

Then there's Dobie Gillis, a hotbed of odd orientations - Zelda was butch, but loved Dobie; Maynard was gay, and loved Dobie; and Dobie was friggin' oblivious to everything.

[Jill]

I believe that the nature of the content had to do with sexual deviance and most of the cases talked about had to do with someone raping another while dressed. Christina gave some similar examples of what I'm talking about. Not that someone robbed a bank or highjacked an airplane while dressed.

[Juanita O]

Hi Jill

If there is a profiling then why do i still have a security clearance.