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Rebecca-L
01-16-2007, 07:21 PM
I discovered this forum back in November and have been reading some of the discussions each day. As my wife disapproves of me dressing fully (or even wearing makeup), I don't get to go out much. On the few times in the past that I tried it (when she was away or I was on a trip), I would get read quickly, usually by teenagers.

My wife was away for 3 days last week, so I decided to try again. But this time, I followed the advice I had read here. Try to blend in, wear the same style clothes as the real women would be wearing, head up, smile, and be confident. It worked out great!

The first day I just stayed dressed only in the house, as some friends had invited me over for dinner.

The second day, I decided to "go for it". I got dressed and did my makeup. I had decided to go to a suburban mall and actually go through the doors. As it is rather cool here and most of the real women would be wearing slacks or jeans, I decided to go with the slacks. I drove to a small mall, parked the car, got out, and walked toward the door (more slowly than my normal male gait). There was another woman walking toward the door, but she was ahead of me, so I stayed back just a little. I walked up to the door, opened it and stepped in. There were 2 women walking my way. As they passed, they did not react negatively, so I continued on. I made it to the hallway intersection and looked down the main mall way. There were more people, so I decided to walk back to the car. I went to another entrance and again walked only as far as the main mall way before heading back.

My confidence was building, so I drove to a strip mall with several larger stores. I walked the length of the sidewalk, passing people going the other way. No negative reactions, so I was feeling pretty good about myself. At this time, it was beginning to get more crowded, so I decided to head home for a while.

After supper, I decided that I needed to try again and see if I could actually walk the mall. This time, I went to a major mall about 10 miles from my house. I parked my car (at the end away from the food court) and walked through the door. This time, the hallway was longer and there were more people. I simply held my head up, kept my back straight, and tried to remember to smile. I passed people going the other way, and they did not have any negative reactions. I headed for the escalator, and went up to the next floor. Then I went back down, and out to the car.

So far, the experience was good, so I went to an adjacent shopping complex (like a mall, but the stores are separate buildings). I parked the car, got out and started walking down the sidewalk in front of the stores. Now there were younger women walking toward me, but they just passed by. I headed back to the major mall, determined to actually walk the main hallway. I parked the car, and went in. I took the escalator up and then back down. This time, however, I did not go directly back to the car, but headed down the main hallway, trying to not attract attention with the sound of my heels. A middle-aged woman walked toward me, then smiled a friendly smile as we passed, and I smiled back. I continued past some 20-ish girls. They looked over, but then went back to their conversation. I kept going until I reached the other entrance, and walked out. It was getting late, so I headed home, feeling wonderful.

The third day (Friday), I decided that I would go to a (CD-friendly) consignment shop to see if they had any skirts in my size (since my wife's skirts don't fit me). I parked the car at the curb near the shop (on Main Street) and went into the store. The owner greeted me with a friendly "Hello" and I went back to the section with skirts and slacks. There was a woman shopping, but she only looked up for a moment. There was no real selection, so I left the store and headed to another outdoor mall.

Again, there were more people, but not crowds. I smiled, the women smiled back, and the only awkward moment was when another woman and I approached each other and did the little dance over which side of the sidewalk to pass on. We both smiled, and she laughed a little about it.

Now it was time to get serious. I decided that a visit to Dress Barn might be in order. I called ahead and asked if they would sell to a man dressed and made up as a woman. The manager said "Absolutely, why not?", so I asked about what time would be good. She suggested that they were not as busy in the evening so I should come in, shop, and "have fun". I showed up at about 6:30 and walked through the doors and went to the back of the store where there was a Sales Associate. I asked for the manager by name, using a quieter version of my voice, but not trying to disguise it very much. The manager came over, greeted me warmly, and asked how she could help. I explained that I wanted to get a skirt. She asked about my size, and I told her "maybe a 16 or 18???". They only carried up to 16, but said "Let's see what we can find and you can try them to see how they fit". "WOW!" While she was looking, I asked how I looked. She looked at me and said "You look fine". Another "WOW!". She found 3 skirts and unlocked a dressing room for me. I went in and started trying them on. The first was a little loose (how did that happen?), but the second and third fit well. She asked how they fit, so I opened the door and stepped out, wearing the third skirt. She complemented me on it, but I said that the second one I tried was more to my liking so I tried it on and came back out. She praised my selection and asked if there was anything else I wanted to look at. I asked about slacks and she went looking while I looked at myself in the 3-way mirrors. The skirt really did fit well. (By the way, other customers had come in and were also shopping, but no one seemed to care about me. One woman looked right at me but went back to shopping.) The manager came back with some slacks, and I tried them on. One pair fit really well, but was too long. She suggested that it could be taken up, or I could wear taller heels. I suggested that maybe the 3 inch heels I had on were tall enough. Another pair fit wonderfully and felt great. They were exactly the right length, so I decided to take them and the skirt. There was a woman in line behind me at the counter, and only looked over when I asked a question of the manager as I walked away. I changed into the new slacks and left the store 45 minutes after arriving. I decided I needed a belt to go with the slacks, so I went into another clothing store near Dress Barn. No one gave me more than a passing glance as I walked in and looked at the belts. Nothing I liked. Then I went into Lane Bryant as asked an SA if they had a belt that would go with the slacks (using my toned down voice). She showed me the belts on sale, then the rest of the belts. Nothing was appropriate, so I thanked her and left. Next, I went to Marshalls to see what they had. Lots of people, but no good belts.

It was time to try going back to the major mall and actually walk into a store. I drove up to the mall and noticed teenagers standing by the main door. Well, a side door might be better. I went in a side door, down the hall, and up the escalator. More teenagers. I started to walk down the main hall and there were even more. When a teenaged girl almost crashed into me, she apologized. I smiled back and walked into Lord & Taylor. I took the escalator down and went out to the car, deciding this end of the mall was not comfortable. Macy's is at the other end, so I parked there and went in, took the escalator up and walked the length of the mall. More teenagers, but no problems. I took the escalator down and went back to Macy's. The entrance I needed was at the perfume and makeup counters, but the only reaction was a friendly "Hello" from an SA as I passed within 2 feet of her.

When I got home, I called the Dress Barn manager to thank her once again. She said "No problem, come on back in anytime you want." I commented that I hoped I had not disturbed any of the customers, and she replied "I don't think anyone noticed." A third "WOW!". What a wonderful day!

I know this is a long story, but I believe the difference between this experience and previous ones was the advice I read here. Blend in, head up, smile, slow down, and good posture. That's why I want to extend a very grateful "Thank you" to those whose advice I read over the previous 2 months.

Thank you.

Jacqui
01-16-2007, 08:49 PM
Rebecca, it was very enjoyable reading your post. I was waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak, but luckily, it never did.
Hopefully you will continue to have those experiences that many of us just dream about.

Jacqui

Glenda58
01-16-2007, 09:07 PM
Glad you had a good time going out. It starts by blending in when shopping your not going clubbing so don't dress that way. And after awhile even the teenagers don't look. I know you will be going out again you just had your first taste and now you will want more.

Rebecca-L
01-16-2007, 09:40 PM
Jacqui and Glenda,

Thank you. Your encouragement means a lot to me. Outings will (unfortunately) be reserved for special occasions, but I felt so good about this one that I just had to share.

MJ
01-16-2007, 09:57 PM
Rebecca
thank you for telling us your story. you see when you find good advice from the sisters here. it helps every one of us have a better experience out there.
the smile helps us display a more feminine features , and now you have been out please do it again soon while you still have the nerve and or courage...
hugs Marissa

susie evans
01-16-2007, 10:05 PM
glad you had a good experince there are a lot of good girls and GG's here that have a lot of things to share now you can pick up the pace :heehee: :heehee:
susie

Missy Anne
01-16-2007, 10:14 PM
Hi Rebecca,

Sounds like you had a fine time! Hope you have many more. I really enjoyed the post.

Thanks!

Missy Anne

Rebecca-L
01-16-2007, 11:15 PM
To everyone:

It was your joint advice and acceptance that allowed me to have the courage to go through with this. I will be looking forward to the next time.

MJ:

You are possible one of the bravest people I have come across.

Missy Ann:

I think it was your story of your Mall Promenade that encouraged me. What a great story that was and what a wonderful, accepting wife you have.

My wife is the most wonderful person I know, but she is not at all accepting. I will keep reading the advice to see if I can bring her around.

JoAnnDallas
01-17-2007, 12:16 PM
Congrads..........My real first public outing was When I went to HEF2006. I know the feeling that you get when other people don't seem to care or there is no negitive reaction. It really does feel great. I know you will be going out more now that you too have found it possible. I am glad that our shared stories and advise helped you pass the hurdle of going out. BTW, your story is great. I am glad you had a wonderful experience and the SA was very accepting and helpful. Calling her and thanking her made her day too. Be sure to contact Dress Barn's web site and fill out a thank you form.

Lindsay
01-17-2007, 01:25 PM
Hi Rebecca. Glad to hear you had a good time.

Just one word of caution: it's not clear from your post (unless I've missed something) whether you were out in your home town or not, but if you were then be careful: if your wife disapproves of your CDing and someone who knows her spots you, it could get back to her. Which could cause major fireworks and seriously reduce any chance you have of getting her on your side about this.

Sorry to be a wet blanket...

Rebecca-L
01-17-2007, 08:42 PM
Jo Ann,

Thanks. The suggestion of filling out the thank you form is excellent. I will definitely do that.

Lindsay,

That's not being a wet blanket. That's good, common sense. I made sure that I was away from my home town by at least 10 miles.

Missy Anne's GG
01-17-2007, 09:02 PM
Hi Rebecca,

Thank you for the story! I'm thrilled that you had such positive experiences! This will bolster your ego for the next adventure!

We have found that teenagers seem to be the ones that we try to avoid as well. Other folks have a lot on their minds and don't seem to pay us much attention.

It is so important to look as best as you possibly can, blend in well, smile and be confident.

We look forward to many more exciting stories!

Hugs, :hugs:

Missy Anne's GG

Lori SC
01-17-2007, 09:24 PM
Great Story Rebecca, :thumbsup:

I just love reading these first-time stories. I hope this inspires others to get out.

Isn't it great getting a size that fits and not having to go back to exchange it?

Hugs, Lori

EricaCD
01-17-2007, 09:56 PM
I am delighted to hear that everything went so well for you. As you have no doubt learned by now, most of our fears are creations of our own imaginations. So long as we present ourselves cheerfully and courteously in our chosen gender, chances are very good that we will be treated and respected as such. Good for you in having the courage to demonstrate this!

Erica

Rebecca-L
01-18-2007, 09:47 AM
Do you have any suggestions as to how I can ease my wife into understanding that this is not a perversion, I am not sick, and that seeing a psychologist will not make it go away? Any suggestions would be most welcome.

Thanks.

Lovely Rita
01-18-2007, 10:02 AM
Wonderful to read about your experience

Missy Anne's GG
01-19-2007, 10:29 PM
Hi Rebecca,

I didn't forget you. (I wanted to send you a pm, but I see that you are a fairly new member.)

I'll have a more detailed reply tomorrow!

Hugs, :hugs:

Missy Anne's GG

Lisa Maren
01-19-2007, 10:56 PM
Rebecca, can I be like you? :love:

Well done! I am impressed and envious!

One day... :o

Hugs,
Lisa

Holly
01-20-2007, 02:58 AM
Rebecca, what a delightful story to read. So positive and uplifting! You know, what you have shared here is going to inspire others to take the steps that you have taken to get out into the public and experience the joy and the freedom that comes with being able to be yourself. Good work! (And :welcom: to the forum!)

Missy Anne's GG
01-20-2007, 10:55 AM
Hi Rebecca:

I apologize for the delay in getting back to you.

I think the two things that helped me the most during the journey to where we are now were constant communication with my husband, and THIS FORUM.

I believe you first need to spend a lot of quiet time calmly talking with her about her fears and thoughts. Find out those first. Her biggest fears may be that she feels she may not know her husband now or that he will change into something she has a difficult time accepting. You probably wouldn’t do that if you are at all like most of the girls here. I would let her do most of the talking while you listen to what she is saying. I don't believe a counselor is necessary if you are both willing to work on the problem yourselves.

When I was initially faced with my husband's crossdressing, the most important thing that kept surfacing in my mind was that while it was certainly a different kind of "hobby", there was nothing immoral, illegal or fattening about it (someone else's words), and it was taking place between two consenting adults. My husband is my best friend, and I wasn't going to leave him or make fun of him because of crossdressing. Many of our friends who are facing their retirement years are having "middle age crazy" expensive desires, and this is really nothing in comparison. I told my husband that some people like to bungee jump and some like to crossdress -- so each person is different. Crossdressing is a LOT safer than some of the things our friends have done and a LOT cheaper also! I have found that it makes him a much more relaxed person and that is good for both of us.

I can see that there are so many normal guys/girls here, and they seem to have such great, warm, wonderful and normal personalities. I suspect that your wife has preconceived ideas as to what this is all about based on her past limited experiences (the Jerry Springer Show problem). Your project may be to try to dispel those past notions, ever so slowly.

If you can get her to the point of discussion, I would be happy to talk with her by PM, if she wants to do so. Also, if you have any more questions, I'd be more than happy to be of help.

This may be a long and slow process, but the rewards will be well worth all the effort.

Best of luck and hugs,

Missy Anne's GG

Salina
01-20-2007, 11:10 AM
Rebecca-L, thank you for sharing your story. It is through reading posts in here that I am working towards building up the courage to venture out myself. The recurring themes I keep reading are stores are in business to make money so they want me to spend mine and most people are too concerned with their own lives to give a hoot about or notice me. I truly enjoy reading everyone's stories, words of encouragement, and of course all the helpful tips to make going out a pleasant experience. I'm going to have some golden opportunities coming up soon to make this happen. Thanks again!!

Karren H
01-20-2007, 01:01 PM
That's not being a wet blanket. That's good, common sense. I made sure that I was away from my home town by at least 10 miles.

Great trip.... Maybe it's me but I've discovered the more you go out.... The closer to home you get... Last trip was less than a mile .... Find myself crossdressing and shopping at the same stores that the. Family and I were at the previous evening!! Lol. No one has noticed .......yet!

Love Karren

Rebecca-L
01-20-2007, 02:26 PM
Missy Anne's GG:
Thanks for the words of advice. I will try to listen carefully as I "nudge" my wife along. I don't think we will ever break up (we've been married more than 40 years), as I would not allow that to happen. Her notions appear to be founded in the conservative way she was brought up, but she has mellowed over the years. One day at a time...

Karren:
I am very jealous of you. Like you, I was in the world of Engineering, although a different discipline, so I suspect we may have some of the same thought processes. However, I was not very outgoing for many years, and am still trying to break out of my shell. We'll see how long and how close my next day out will be. I'm thinking it may be about 25 miles (or so) until I get a little more comfortable. But, for now, I feel great!

Cindi Johnson
01-20-2007, 02:53 PM
Blending in is essential for passing, in my experience, but it also means wearing mostly blue jeans. A real bummer. Sometimes I just go for it and wear a skirt even though I'll be the only person wearing one.

Cindi Johnson