We are not Women!

[marie354]

I know this is stupid, as are a lot of my threads, but... We all know!
I really like protraying a woman and feeling that way, even though I've never been out of the house. (I really haven't gotten my GF's approval on that one, but I know a lot have.)
Protraying a woman, is a very hard thing to do. We're not, have never been, and will never be. (without HRT/SRS). (And that really will never be. For me.)

For those of us that are happy with where we are. Do you really enjoy it?
I mean the ones that don't go out of the house.
Should we do more? The Tri-Ess meetings, clubs that are TG acceptable, and more.
I, personally, am afraid about going out enfemme. Others?
I'm older than a lot, I'm sure. Comments from all are welcome.

[MarinaTwelve200]

I enjoy it, and I do NOT go out of the house either.----I feel its more of a "private" thing I do, rather than being actually "afraid" to go out. And nobody's business but my own. And considering people's attitudes I personally think going out is kinda stupid anyways (no offence intended to those who do go out)

I have fun by relaxing--as CD promotes that in me, and by taking pics of myself in different looks--sorta like a "challenge" to see what I can look like.

[Jesse69]

Portraying a woman is not hard for me. Men give me looks and women think I'm one of them when I go out. So is guess I'm a little gifted for crossdressing and passing. It's just my voice that needs work.

Yeah! And I'm a sexy size 4!

[Tasha Meredith]

Thanks to purging I haven't gone out of the house in years and can't comment on my portrayal. I'm slowly beginning to change that because the isolation was beginning to take much of the fun and relaxation out of it. So am I happy? A little, but looking to become more social. I'm joining Tri-Ess and a second local CD group very soon. I even signed up with a few women's groups on campus.

[susie evans]

i think if you ever start going out you will find the world is more axcepting that you think i mostly go out by my self are with my wife and as long as i dress to blend in i very rearly even get alook it just tskes time and confedence :hugs: :hugs:

susie

[marie354]

Portraying a woman is not hard for me. Men give me looks and women think I'm one of them when I go out. So is guess I'm a little gifted for crossdressing and passing. It's just my voice that needs work.

Yeah! And I'm a sexy size 4!

We all try to portray women, but it's how we do it that counts. (I've seen that most here, pass better than I.)
Don't brag. Womens sizes vary a lot and 8 and below are a whole nother subject.
I won't tell you about the 4's I've fit into!
:hugs:

[dods460]

I dont try to portray women, I'm a man plain and simple, I do however love getting dolled up just because womens clothes are so expressive, mens clothes are black or a funny shade of tan. I dunno everyone has a different mind set anyway so I can only speak for myself.




Yeah! And I'm a sexy size 4!
I'm a sexy size 2

[CDTiffany]

Cool Thread, I know I am not real women, and will never be. But I have been dressing in women's clothing for 20 years, thinking women's thoughts, Every now and then I will arrange a special meeting. with someone special, and get to live out my female side (fantasy's), other then that I dont go out dressed either.
BUT WHEN I AM ALL DOLLED UP, and Strolling around the house, being feminine,

MAN, I FEEL LIKE A WOMAN!!!!!!!!!

XOXO Tiffany.

[DawnRodgers]

We can't tell you what to do or how to do it. You have to be happy and comfortable or you'll be cautious and careful, you'll likely give yourself away. You have to want it, honey. Age isn't that important to do it either. I'm 62. Makeup is a wonderful thing. I believe you just have to dress normal, use make-up lightly and walk as feminine as possible. What if someone thinks that you're a man in a dress? Chances are you'll never see him a(or them) again. Be yourself. You;ll come to love it.
Dawn

[Kate Simmons]

This is not stupid and neither are your threads. I always enjoy reading your thoughts. Whether we stay home or go out, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that we enjoy being who we are and share our feelings. Regardless of what anyone says, it's not easy doing what we do but sure helps to talk about it. I couldn't find a nicer group of people to talk to about it.:happy:

[ToyGirl]

For me it was the opposite, but of course i know what you mean. I used to portray a man , now i be myself.

Either way , understanding the differences in gender makes for a better world. :thumbsup:

im also cool with those that ride adrogyny , not a bad place to be :)

edit: oh yeah and don't feel you *have* to go out , it does not make you a better or worse crossdresser. Just do whatever makes you happy.

[Marla S]

This is not stupid and neither are your threads. I always enjoy reading your thoughts. Whether we stay home or go out, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that we enjoy being who we are and share our feelings.
I just second that.
There are different ways to live CDing. None is good or bad per se. It's only important to make the best out of it. It depends a lot on your circumstances what's the best personal way.
Sometimes I get the impression that to portray a woman becomes a compulsion. That doesn't sound healthy to me. But if you dress and end up looking like a woman, why not, not the worst look to achieve ;).
Personally, I need to integrate it as a 24/7 thing in my life. Group-meetings woudn't give me much for it and doesn't help for neighbours, friends and family. With my personal features that ends up in the androgynous style.
Quite happy with it so far. Let's see where it leads to.

[Lisa Golightly]

What ToyGirl said.

[Daintre]

I know that I am male, heck...I see it every time I look in the full length mirror. When dressed I can see myself being female, this doesn't make me one but the feeling is wonderful

[Kristen Kelly]

i think if you ever start going out you will find the world is more axcepting that you think i mostly go out by my self are with my wife and as long as i dress to blend in i very rearly even get alook it just tskes time and confedence :hugs: :hugs:

susie

I'm with Susie, I have the confidence that I can and do go anywhere I want to,no going back in the closet for this bird.

[Suzie S.]

I know I am not a woman. I could not even begin to know how it feels to be a GG. To see the world through the eyes of a GG and experience life as a GG is a true fantasy of mine. My mind runs rampant with these thoughts. But, the reality is that I can't ever know. I accept the fact that I am a guy and live with it. Fantasies are not unhealthy as long as I accept my reality. Being a crossdresser is part of my reality. Being a GG is my fantasy.

Knowing that I will never be a real girl will never diminish my need to crossdress. I just enjoy it too much. Now, in my next life, if I get one, maybe I'll be born a girl. Maybe I'll like it maybe not. If that's confusing, well, being confused is another part of reality, LOL!:D

We may not be women, but let's all enjoy what we do while we are here on this earth!

All the best,

[Michelle 51]

.Very well put Susie......Justabit

[Crissy Kay]

I agree with Carla. Being more of a fetish dresser, I am happest in one of my maid outfits, doing stuff around the apt. I am one of the lucky ones, whose wife likes having "Crissy" around.

[SandyR]

Its one of the most relaxing, exciting things for me. Some may have read my post a few weeks back, but about 2 years ago I was pulled over in Sandy mode. Scared me straight for some time. But once you know that feeling it just don't go away, nor do I want it to. Having come out to my wife and her accepting it has made life become so complete for me.

Guess we are all different, and thats a good thing.


Huggsss

SandyR

[Sharon]

Every one of us has our own needs, our own desires, and our own level of comfort, and everyone here is just as "legitimate" as the next person.

There is no rule that says that it is necessary to go outdoors and mingle with others. The only rule is that you need to accept yourself for who you are and not do anything just to satisfy other's expectations.

[VERONICARH]

I agree with most of what you are all saying. I would love to go out in femme, but so many people know me in this area. I could go out someplace else, but would prefer to go with another cd, but have no one to go out with. I probably would not pass anyway. and to me that is important. To go out feeling femme and looking femme is my dream come true. Dressing at home is great and all girly feeling, but I want more. Going out and passing to make cders accepted and not fronded on, by our looks and by the way we represent ourselves to others. Just my thoughts.

[vicky lee]

ive only ever gone out twice in fem.
first time as you say dress n drive which is fun
the second time more seriously to go to for a make up at a nearby store which was very impressive
there is an hotel just for cross dressers which i plan to go to this month
carnt wait for that

[Cassy11]

I enjoy what I do in the privacy of my own home. I was never one to go to a club or bar. Dressing is fun and relaxation. However we relax and destress is a individual choice. In the house or out, enjoy!

[Julogden]

I know this is stupid, as are a lot of my threads, but... We all know!
I really like protraying a woman and feeling that way, even though I've never been out of the house. (I really haven't gotten my GF's approval on that one, but I know a lot have.)
Protraying a woman, is a very hard thing to do. We're not, have never been, and will never be. (without HRT/SRS). (And that really will never be. For me.)

For those of us that are happy with where we are. Do you really enjoy it?
I mean the ones that don't go out of the house.
Should we do more? The Tri-Ess meetings, clubs that are TG acceptable, and more.
I, personally, am afraid about going out enfemme. Others?
I'm older than a lot, I'm sure. Comments from all are welcome.
Hi Marie,

Regarding the first part: You said, "Protraying a woman, is a very hard thing to do. We're not, have never been, and will never be. (without HRT/SRS). "

Careful, you're flirting with defining other people, and we all have our own definitions of ourselves and others.

When speaking of gender-variant people, and we all here (excluding SO's and admirers) are gender-variants in that we dress, for one reason or another, in clothing associated the opposite genetic sex, keep in mind that there is a wide variety of people and practices being lumped together under the TG umbrella, and we all have our own reasons for doing what we do.

Among the T-community in general, it is accepted that being male does not equal being a man, nor does being female equal being a woman. The terms man and woman are better looked at as being indicators of internal gender identity, or as social roles.

Personally, I feel very strongly that a male can indeed be a woman, and a female can be a man, with or without any additional hormones or surgery. :2c:

Just because you feel that you are a man who likes to portray a woman doesn't mean that everyone else is the same as you.

From what I've seen of the other members here since I started hanging around here, I'd say without hesitation that some of the males who post here are definitely women, and some of the females here are men, again,:2c: .

Regarding being happy with ourselves, I'd say that, as long as we aren't harming anyone, we all should do what we enjoy doing, and it's desirable to push the envelope, if we can. If we are seen on a regular basis by the non-TG public, we become part of everyday life, resulting, hopefully, in less fear of us and more acceptance, but we all have to look at what we can and can't do, and live accordingly.

Carol:hugs:

[ArleneRaquel]

Carol - Another excellent post. :love: & :hugs: Trina - Not Portraying a Woman

[diane59]

WAAAHHH! what do you mean I'm not a Woman?
Oh Well, I guess I'll just have to dress like one!:tongueout

[Tamera]

I like dressing as a woman. And in some cases I pass but not 100%. I would go out more if I did. Also I would go out more if this society we live in would not be so negative about it. For me I feel comfortable dressing and being female but I like to be able to go back into the male world also. There are things I like about being both sexes and there are things I don't. I know some have transitioned so far as having operations for they have made that decision to be one gender for life. I'll never be a female per say. But I like it when I PROTRAY the female gender. Also depending on my gender I'm protraying depends on HOW FAR I WILL GO as in my thread.

[Gretchen]

I also enjoy my current CDing circumstances. At home only, occasional "sneak" outside when no one is around and almost always during the week because my wife works and I usually have at least 4 days out of five to choose my activities.
My wife does not know of my unusual interests and activites and I do not wish for her to find out. The consequences are not worth the risk and I do not have any burning desire to share this activity with her. Disclosure at this time is not an option for me and I am extremely careful with my dressing and diligent in having a variety of hiding places for my wardrobe.
So far, after 2 years of dressing myself as completely as possible enfemme, this routine suits me just fine. Occasionally I have the desire to take a little drive late at night enfemme and experience driving in heels and a short skirt, etc.
Maybe some day.
I basically am a guy who enjoys dressing in nice, conservative women's clothes on a regular basis in private. I also enjoy doing my male activities as well.
Still, the emotional rush and resultant blissful feelings keep me coming back. I honestly don't think it is something I could give up entirely unless there was no other choice.
Gretchen

[Marcie Sexton]

Yep, its true we are not and even with SRS, never will be a "woman", but we sure can have fun practicing...

Personally speaking, I have found that I can go out on occasions, feeling comfortable. Even at the worse its no worse than the daily stress I live with. Marcie has given me a relaxation mode that I would gladly take 24/7...

I enjoy dressing both as an out to stress and because I truely enjoy being enfemm...perhaps missed my calling 50+ years ago...while I was a twinkle in my dads eye...

[Glenda58]

Going out has open another world of friends that I didn't know was out there. We are not alone as I have found out in this forum I have met with some of the gurls and found that I like going out. Now that I have done all I wanted I have slow down and will take a break. But what I see form your pics. you could go out and have fun. BTW I'm 59.

[marie354]

Girls, I have enjoyed all of your comments. Every one of them.
I do like dressing and since my SO is OK with it, dress almost 24/7. (There are just some times that sam has to do what sam has to do.)
I have met one other from Delaware, here in my home one Saturday evening a couple of weeks ago. We had a grand time just talking and sipping soda's, and we probabally will go out somewhere together just so we won't feel alone.
Love all of you... You're my family, away from my family. (Does that make sense?)
:hugs: :love:

[Eugenie]

From a purely anatomical point of view you are right :"We are not women" and strictly from that same point of view, regardless of the medical science advances so far, no operation will make us women.

But that doesn't mean that some of us don't feel that they are women trapped in a male body. Simone de Beauvoir said once "One is not born a woman, one becomes a woman."

Of course she didn't mean it in the anatomical sense. But I'm persuaded womanhood is more than just having two X chromosomes. The early years experience of being raised as a girl plays a fundamental role in becoming a woman.

In most cases X-dressers will not have had that early life experience and this too will hinder the possibilities to completely feel like a woman at adult age. Most of us started in their early teens and rarely before, at least that is what most self accounts stories here and on other forums seem to tell.

The feeling of not belonging to the body nature has given you doesn't make you a women (or a man for FtM Transgendered people) but is sure shapes your psychology so profoundly that one can really have the feeling of being a woman, even though the chromosomes tells to the contrary...

Of course all of us here are very different and while some may x-dress but feel perfectly well as a male, others really can't stand that "error of nature". The later ones want to be women and many will do all that is necessary to be as close as possible from an anatomical point of view to become the woman that they feel is trapped inside their male bodies.

Finaly, on the subject of "going out en femme", it is for me a desire to openly claim my part of feminity "to the world", a way to exist other than in a mirror. But I'm not saying that this is the only nor even the best way to x-dress.

Enough for tonight...
:hugs:
Eugenie

[Sasha Anne Meadows]

This is very confusing. If we dress like women and want to be women aren't we women?

[cindybarnes]

Ok , am I happy where Im at ? Do I enjoy it ? Yes and yes. For me Im just as happy at home as Cindy as I am when I do get out. It wasn't always like that tho, shortly after I first got out I would get depressed if I couldnt make it out at least once a month or so and dressing at home was suddenly dull. There is nothing greater than getting together with friends for some quality time and I have many fun nights to remember, but it doesnt take going out to be happy with who you are. I guess Im saying even though my desire to go out has faded some my desire to dress hasnt.
I do encourage finding a group that has outings and at least try going at least once,, most have events in safe or friendly places and like some have said ,once you get out there is no going back,,, unless you get old and boaring like me LO L


Cindy

[Linda Daniels]

Well, I have read all of your threads and realize as many have acknowledged that we are all just a little different...but that shouldn't surprise us...it's part of being human! But here is a question for all of us. Don't some of us...once we think about it ...think that since our bodies turned out boy like we have been spending a lifetime pretending to be boys/men??? Pretending so well that we have even gone a long way to fool ourselves before we stopped and said whaooooo...wait a minute! "This being a boy thing is just way too messed up...Yikes!!! I'm a girl who has been pretending to be a man! ...but then a look in the mirror says, "Hmmm? something fishy goin on here" ...then some degree of resolve kicks in. In actuallity, we are kinda screwed, don't you think? Soooooooooo...lets just make the best we can of it and ...ahhh GO SHOPPING!!!!

Linda

[Kathryn Philips]

I am a private CD with very few opportunities to dress. In the everyday life I look, appear and have 100% male manerisms. Yet, I have considered myself (since a young child) to have a female inner self. I can also clearly state that I wish I was a woman but I just have too much at stake to do anything about it. This inner self is who you get to see and read on this great forum. My CDing is roughly 5% in the flesh and 95% in the virtual world (ie PC). Because I am not able to freely dress and wear make-up and I still want to look in the mirror and see the person that I feel I am inside, I have decided to use the computer screen as my own magic mirror. It may sound a bit strange to most of you, but it really works for me. The face you see in my avatar (to the left of this post) is 100% me but with a virtual wig and make-up. When I look at myself, I really feel I am looking at a reflection of me as a real woman.

If on the outside I am definitely all male and on the inside I am definitely not all male then ME as a whole must be partly female. Therefore, from my point of view I cannot agree with your comment that "we are not women".

[Tasha Meredith]

This is very confusing. If we dress like women and want to be women aren't we women?
I've heard of people who dress like doctors and want to be doctors. Would I submit myself as a patient? I'm not saying I disagree (I can't quite answer your question myself). I see myself as doing more of a portrayal or emulation. But then I don't know how far I will go.

[Karren H]

Hell yes its fun!! If it wasn't I certantly wouldn't be getting all dressed up and braving the elements and the crowds in front of the clearence racks to not have fun!!! And after going out enfemme...... Setting at home all dressed up just doesn't do anything for me at all!!!!

Love Karren

[Kimmie W]

I too, alas, am older. I only wish that I had the courage when I was younger to to fully explore my own sexuality/gender issues. That said I am happy with the place I find myself in now. I can pretty much dress whenever I want, and that's enough.

[Alice Torn]

I know I am this odd six foot six male, but, dressed up, like the gg I would like to have, or look like, as a woman, is wow!

[Sally24]

When speaking of gender-variant people, and we all here are gender-variants in that we dress, for one reason or another, in clothing associated the opposite genetic sex, keep in mind that there is a wide variety of people and practices being lumped together under the TG umbrella, and we all have our own reasons for doing what we do.

It's so true that there really is a wide spectrum of people under the umbrella of "CD". None are better, just different. If it's a private thing for you then going out is probably not something that you'd enjoy. Then again, if you dress not so much for the thrill but to feel female and whole, then going out might be helpful. I had gone out with my wife for over a year before I approached a CD group in the area. While I was "stealth" when going out with my wife, we are definitely open about being T-girls when I go out with the group. That makes the two outings quite different. At this point I would be hard pressed to give up either activity. Going with my wife is mello and we do all the girly things like shopping, chatting over lunch, going to movies and shows, and just touristing around town. Going out with the "girls" is just the opposite. We are mostly 6' and over and we do not dress down when we go out. We're not loud but we difinitely have a good time and try to represent the TG group with pride. We don't have that fear in the background of having someone look at us like they've read us, because they already know who we are! That can be really freeing. We've had almost nothing but positive comments from the public, especially the girls. They typically want to get their picture taken with us and dance with us when we're out at the clubs. Once you've had this experience, it can be hard not to repeat it again and again.



Personally, I feel very strongly that a male can indeed be a woman, and a female can be a man, with or without any additional hormones or surgury.
Couldn't agree with you more. Other than electrolysis, I haven't had any kind of surgury or medications to become more female. Still, the more time I spend in the role (and male or female in this culture is a role for everyone, genetic or chosen after the fact!) the more I feel comfortable and right in it. Considering genetic women are not a homogenous group, I think it is possible for the transgendered to come very close to feeling/being the person they should/could/would have been. I know that is how I feel now. My femme persona is different from my male persona in subtle ways. Sally is slowly developing her own circle of friends and activites and interests. She has started having her own style of dress and carrying herself that is not just a copy of what she has seen around her. It is less feeling less like an act or an emulation and more like the proper behavior for me as that person. It's hard to put into words but the more I go out into different places and different situations the more it feels real.

Sally

[finacarina]

I love the rush of getting as close as I can, to being a real women. I really get a kick when Im out and about when I see a couple and the man wants to check me out, but knows that his girl will get upset. It is so amusing. But it is true that we are not women and once you come to terms with that it is so much easier to leave the closet.

[ArleneRaquel]

I love the rush of getting as close as I can, to being a real women. I really get a kick when Im out and about when I see a couple and the man wants to check me out, but knows that his girl will get upset. It is so amusing. But it is true that we are not women and once you come to terms with that it is so much easier to leave the closet.

I as an " older girl " I love to be checked out and I flirt back, at least sometimes. :love: & :hugs: Trina - Flirty Old Dame

[Kelly Greene]

At one time in my life I thought I had pass for female inorder to step outside my front door.
After many Halloweens and several times of being read I have come to the conclusion that I will never fully pass for a woman. Because I won't beable to pass for a woman I have decided to change my direction and focus on looking pritty while cding. If I look pritty I can go outside and participate in life dressed up in heels and skirt.

After adopting the idea of pritty ofver passing I have been more relaxed and have had more fun while out dressed up. I still get looks and some young girls might even laugh but it really does not matter because I am just out having fun.

[ElleCD]

I'm not a woman nor do I want to be. I like the feminine look and the wider options for expressing myself in using clothes and make up that are associated with being female.

[Kimberly]

There are those who argue that even with SRS and Hormones, transwomen aren't women. Spiritually and mentally, I believe you are whoever you are - it just so happens that the shell we inhabit is the one we're stuck with for the next 70+ years...

Physically, I believe transpeople are never genetically their chosen sex - but it is appearance that is altered. Not genetic make-up. x

[Julogden]

There are those who argue that even with SRS and Hormones, transwomen aren't women. Spiritually and mentally, I believe you are whoever you are - it just so happens that the shell we inhabit is the one we're stuck with for the next 70+ years...

Physically, I believe transpeople are never genetically their chosen sex - but it is appearance that is altered. Not genetic make-up. x

I agree that sex is determined at the genetic level, and obviously, all the surgery and hormones in the world can't alter ones genetic sex, but, to be blunt and maybe overly simple, whether one is a male or female is (usually) determined by what we have between our legs at birth, while the determination of whether one is a man or woman, boy or girl, is determined by what we have between our ears.:2c:

Carol

[Terry]

I may not be a woman on the outside ,but on the inside I do feel and react as one , Reasoning for myseft is also a way to relax and enjoy the nicer side life and is when I,am dressed.

I do fine this a most interesting post,and the replys have been a help in myseft understanding my troughts on this and a few other areas. And reading the post of the other girls and knowing I,am not out there alone.

Thank you and all the girls for being out there .It means so much to have sister you can relate to.


Thank you again
Terryxx

[PaulaJaneThomas]

I don't regard myself as a woman. Nor do I regard myself as a man. I'm trans - an eclectic mixture of the two.

[laura47]

If I could pass I would dress 24/7 … I could only dream of ridding my Harley in a mini skirt at the risk of melting my pantyhose on the exhaust pipes

[Toyah]

Not a stupid thread at all. I am very happy where I am I have been out only a couple of times.
Should we push our wants on a public that really could not care less but would not to meet us, I think we should leave that to those who want to force themselves upon them

[stephanie100]

I am a man and still have that thing to prove it but most of the time wish I wasnt. We will never know the true way a woman feels it would be imposible to give birth ect but to go out and be accepted as a female is great my partner and stephenie often shop together.

[suchacutie]

The chromosomes tell us of our physical and hormonal gender (although we can battle those chromosomes on a hormonal level). What we are all about is a state of mind that we also manifest as an appearance...but it is more than appearance. Look at all the threads that speak about the many details of completing, as much as possible, a feminine persona. It takes a mindset, a willing submission to the total immersion of one's self into the feminine role we wish. It takes a lot of work to leave all the details of a gender behind in favor of a new one.

Personnally, Tina is shared between me and my wife. Tina is still growing her persona and learning (as rapidly as life allows) to add as many details as she can to that persona, testing and discarding that which doesn't work, and adding what does. At the moment this is very personal and a part of our married life unshared with others. That's not saying that we haven't gone shopping for Tina in public, and at that point we have no choice but to share a little with the rest of humanity, but it's controlled and we are very comfortable with that control. Exploring who Tina is...that is the point of all of this. It is exciting, and, really, quite amazing. Tina is not a female, but she strives to be as feminine as possible, and certainly "feels" feminine when she comes to visit with my wife!

Tina :)

[Kimberly]

To use you're own words against you... :devil:


whether one is a male or female is (usually) determined by what we have between our legs at birth

It's a heavy burden to have to live with, that no matter what we do to ourselves now -- we were still once our birth sex, and still are on some fundamental level. xx

[Phoebe Reece]

I see my public crossdressing as kind of like being an actor on a stage in front of an audience. An actor knows he is not really the character he portrays, but he does his best to become that character while he is on stage. If he gives an inspired performance his audience may get caught up in the illusion and for a short time relate to him as if he really was that character. If I portray a woman in public and do a good job of it, my audience (the public) will for the most part relate to me as if I really am a woman. That doesn't make me a real woman - but it sure is a lot of fun.

[Julogden]

To use you're own words against you... :devil:



It's a heavy burden to have to live with, that no matter what we do to ourselves now -- we were still once our birth sex, and still are on some fundamental level. xx
Hi again Kimberley,

Hon, you've lost me, but I think you've misunderstood what I was saying.

I've been saying that there's no way to alter one's genetic sex: if we're born male, we will always be male, if we're born female, then we're female for life.

But being male or female doesn't make us men or women, they are not the same things. Male doesn't equal man and female doesn't equal woman. Males can be women and females can be men. That's what I'm saying, nothing more or less.

Like the Kinks said, "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls".:heehee:

Carol:hugs:

[Amy Hepker]

Yes, Yes, YES!!!!

[marie354]

Like the Kinks said, "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls".:heehee:

Carol:hugs:

It's the next step in this mixed up world......
:hugs:

[marie354]

I want to thank all of the lovely people that have responded to this and all of the tangents that have spun from it.
I've certainly enjoyed all the replies.
:hugs:

[Michelle (Oz)]

This is very confusing. If we dress like women and want to be women aren't we women?

Only in the forest when there is no one to see me. :heehee:

[danielle40I]

Hi Marie!

Your observations and the thoughts of all the other respondants have helped me to more firmly grasp what I am going through. I have come to accept that life is a dynamic in which I can shoose to maintain a static or dynamic perception of my own reality.
My SO and I are just beginning to sort out our own unique perceptions of what gender and sexuality actually mean to one another. As I continue in my quest to understand Dani (me) I choose to help my SO to understand how I relate to her...because she loves me and wants to understand.
The gist of this is that I strive to integrate what I feel inside with the person that I need to admire...ME. That integration is a dynamic as I move through life while having deep appreciation for others as I want to be validated.
Perhaps, if you try to move away from the labels of man/woman, male/female, you'll come to a greater appreciation of the gift you have and love that unique ability you posess...to have a greater empathy for all human kind.

It aint easy being green...but I wouldn't be any other color...because it's me.

I'm here...I'll listen.

Dani

[the femm side of me]

I have never gone out. I am nout sure I want too. I just like wearing my femm PJ's around the house. I do how ever go out wearing Panties all the time...

[Sierra Evon]

This is not stupid and neither are your threads. I always enjoy reading your thoughts. Whether we stay home or go out, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that we enjoy being who we are and share our feelings. Regardless of what anyone says, it's not easy doing what we do but sure helps to talk about it. I couldn't find a nicer group of people to talk to about it.:happy:

Ditto " " " " , I do like to go out dressed whenever possible , but I dress mostly at home with ever really going out , still can be abit fearful at times , this forum is a great help to me in soo many ways , :happy:

[Alice B]

This is an interesting discussion for me at this time. I just had a serious discussion with my wife about my dressing, what it means and where it is going. I am an older gentleman (64), but look several years younger and am considered very masculine. I started dressing a few years ago and it was strictly at home and alone. I did dress for pumpkin day several times and once went so far as to do it for a meeting (on Pumpkin day) at which I was the guest lecturer. But aside of that I keep it strictly in the house, which my wife is OK with. I am a very recognizable person in the community as a whole, as is my wife. It could be very bad to be caught when out. I think I may allow myself to go out in my car at night, when my wife is away,BUT my licence plate is also very recognizable. I would like to go out in public, but there is too much to lose. I'm not ready for CD clubs, etc., but do feel some frustration because I love it and feel great when dressed. Any thoughts?

PS. When I get the chance I'll shoot some shots of me and post them for comments. This forum is great because it allows me to express myself.

[diane59]

Does any of this really matter? Some of us like being female some of us like being male. That is the beauty of this site, It does'nt matter what you think, we are all different in our own ways and that is what makes us all wonderful people.:hugs:

[Joy Carter]

I know this is stupid, as are a lot of my threads, but... We all know!
I really like protraying a woman and feeling that way, even though I've never been out of the house. (I really haven't gotten my GF's approval on that one, but I know a lot have.)
Protraying a woman, is a very hard thing to do. We're not, have never been, and will never be. (without HRT/SRS). (And that really will never be. For me.)

For those of us that are happy with where we are. Do you really enjoy it?
I mean the ones that don't go out of the house.
Should we do more? The Tri-Ess meetings, clubs that are TG acceptable, and more.
I, personally, am afraid about going out enfemme. Others?
I'm older than a lot, I'm sure. Comments from all are welcome.

"Damit Jim," I'm not a Crossdresser I'm a Woman. LOL

[Alice B]

This is an interesting discussion for me at this time. I just had a serious discussion with my wife about my dressing, what it means and where it is going. I am an older gentleman (64), but look several years younger and am considered very masculine. I started dressing a few years ago and it was strictly at home and alone. I did dress for pumpkin day several times and once went so far as to do it for a meeting (on Pumpkin day) at which I was the guest lecturer. But aside of that I keep it strictly in the house, which my wife is OK with. I am a very recognizable person in the community as a whole, as is my wife. It could be very bad to be caught when out. I think I may allow myself to go out in my car at night, when my wife is away,BUT my licence plate is also very recognizable. I would like to go out in public, but there is too much to lose. I'm not ready for CD clubs, etc., but do feel some frustration because I love it and feel great when dressed. Any thoughts?

PS. When I get the chance I'll shoot some shots of me and post them for comments. This forum is great because it allows me to express myself.

[marie354]

I just went back and re-read some and read some I think I missed reading before.
It's all very interesting to me and I love all of the replies from everyone.
I did a search for this thread and found it easily, but didn't know how many pages it had been pushed back by the newer (hotter) posts. 7 pages back. Wow!

Again, looking back at my other comments in this post... #7, #32, and #60... It seems that many have enjoyed this one as much as I have.

Well, thanks for all that have replied and remember...
We may not have been born female, but we all are women at heart. And isn't it wonderful when we discover who we really are?
:hugs: :happy: :hugs:

[btmgrl6]

I am much happier than I have ever been in my life now. Out, transitioning, living 24/7 as a woman.Sometimes I pass,sometimes I don't I really don't care. I see myself as a woman, if you do too great,if you don't...no problem. I have found inner peace. I like who I am and who I am becoming. :2c:

[marie354]

I am much happier than I have ever been in my life now. Out, transitioning, living 24/7 as a woman.Sometimes I pass,sometimes I don't I really don't care. I see myself as a woman, if you do too great,if you don't...no problem. I have found inner peace. I like who I am and who I am becoming. :2c:

I was really supprised to see this thread pop up again... It's been a month since I first posted it, and a lot has changed since then.

I'm a lot easier too. I'm not transX, but.... You never know.....
I try to be 24/7 even if I'm not out of the house, but recient events might just change that. And... I think I am becomming more as well.......

[Lovely Rita]

I believe that it depends on what some one wants to do. Some are happy to stay home and others need the support and nurturing that comes with meeting other like minded girls.

I like to go out once in a while but I am perfectly content to be back at the shack with my mate and hearing Spike Jones on the box.

Thanks for letting me share

[MJ]

well i am on hrt and i get my letter for surgery next thursday :D , and i may not look like a woman and even after surgery i may never relay know what it is fully like to be a woman, but i am happier than I have ever been in my life. free at last to be me,
Now it's how you feel that counts, why go out if you don't have too, feeling like a woman is all that counts

[janet p]

I always felt good about myself dressing at home but wanted more and until I went to a halloween party dressed and since then have been going out more and coming out to more people, still haven't got the guts to go out in daylite dressed, just at night. You don't know what you are missing hiding behind a door.:love:

[Marcie Sexton]

We may not be GG's as you suggest, but as one who loves to dress enfemme, I'm as close the real thing as you'll find, that is my attitude...
or confidence being a female...how ever you see wish to see it...

[JoAnnDallas]

I too am not a real GG, but when I am out en fem, as long as I am treated as woman, then who cares.

[marie354]

We may not be GG's as you suggest, but as one who loves to dress enfemme, I'm as close the real thing as you'll find, that is my attitude...
or confidence being a female...how ever you see wish to see it...

I agree 100% that I feel & act more like a woman when dressed as well even it's not possible to be one IRL.
... And who was it that said... You're not born a woman, you become one.

[Sherlyn]

Of course we can all act . I can be all femmy ...but to actual say I feel like a woman.... Im not a real women ... So how would I know..!!!???

[Casey Morgan]

I haven't been sure how to answer this one but now I think I can. I don't dress fully much at all. It's nice and everything but I do it often enough to be happy with it. I don't know that I'd want to go out fully dressed. I'm sure it would be a nice experience and all but it would still be acting. I've spent enough years pretending to be a man that I don't want to spend much time pretending to be a woman. It's hard enough just trying to be me after all these years (often times I have to bushwhack the path I walk) that I don't feel like pretending right now. But maybe after I've lived as me for a while I'll feel more comfortable being out and about as a woman.

[Wanda.cd.northern.NH]

My wife is NON supportive so I get to dress very infrequently but I find myself wanting to go out dressed more and more! I love the feel of the soft silky clothes and love womens shoes. When dressed I feel like a woman, and I sure know I will never be one, just want to be accepted when dressed like one.

[Tina B.]

I'll stay home and dress thank you very much, after reading so many post about the need to dress down to go out, I had rather stay home, and dress in much prettier things.
besides I live in a very small town and there is no where to go anyway!
I don't need to go out, so bad as to make it worth the drive to an area that would have something to do.
Oh, and I think this has been a great thread, sorry I missed it until now.
Tina B.

[Tina Dixon]

OH I do want to go out all femmy as my little sis calls it, and some of my pics don't look bad a girl, but damn I'm tall and I walk like Godzilla in heels, so really right now I'll stay home unless I go to a transgendered place.

[Alice B]

I enjoy dressing and feel very much like a woman when I do. I do not go out of thre house, although I would love to if I knew it was safe to do so. That is an emotional state that I'm not sure I can reach. I am getting the urge to go out a night and drive around and after a few tries might get the nerve to go to a TG friendly bar. But when this may happen? In the meantime. Any chance I get at home is fine with me and feels wonderful and very femine.:love:

[michellebesweet]

Marie, I understand where you are coming from, I was like that at one point in my life and jus decided I needed more, and more was to go out into the public and be Michelle, It has changed my life, It brought me being a woman to the next level. We all have our levels of comfort. If most levels are to be at home, than so be it. Just be happy with the level of comfort you choose. It is when you are unhappy that the questions come into play.

[Alice Torn]

I have only been out four times, and the first time, was driving at night, and going to gas stations, two or three times, then going home.

[michelleupnorth]

It's just how my brain works. I'm more comfortable with women and feel like one most of the time. Occasionally somebody tells me that I act like a woman and it’s then that I try to be more like the man I’m not. Just because I was born with male genitalia doesn’t make me a man. I think my Fathers sperm wasn’t swimming right the night I happened? I’m me and that’s that.

[Teresa Amina]

I'm trans - an eclectic mixture of the two.

What is Being? A sense of Self vs Otherness? Some here are just pranksters, playing with expectations and contrary presentation. Others are definitely Trans-Something. For me it's the old Wannabee which stung me early in life and planted a different vision of selfness than what the body grew into. Are we not women? Let me check here........ nope, still a guy down there. Gee, but look at that avatar..... no guy there :D Which is "Real"? Both must be, though the one is a given and the other an aspiration, a longing, a "wannabee"

[Kate Simmons]

Bottom line with all of this is that whether we are men, women or somewhere in between, most of us here have the courage to be ourselves. That is more than I can say than for most of the other people on good old Mother Earth.:thumbsup: :happy:

[marie354]

Bottom line with all of this is that whether we are men, women or somewhere in between, most of us here have the courage to be ourselves. That is more than I can say than for most of the other people on good old Mother Earth.:thumbsup: :happy:

I love it! You seem to put it right into the proper respective.
Whether we choose to represent a man or a woman, we are what we are. No mater what anyone says, we have the choice to be who and what we want.

[tightsgirl]

We Are Devo :lol:

Just being silly if you remember that song from Devo and no its not from "Whip It"

[cindychan]

I think it's a personal view of self. When I was little I liked to pretend to be a lion or monster, after a few minutes I would think I was that creature. However this is quite different with CDing because I can't stop thinking about being a woman. There is no "on"/"off" switch. I am a woman always. Maybee I'm just afflicted with WBS (women's brain syndrome):eek: