How many?

[Kieron Andrew]

Ok im not sure how to word this question, but since my journey of self discovery started, my preferences on sexuality have gone through many avenues.........one that has always baffled me is finding a GM attractive whilst they are dressed En femme, but still knowing full well they are GM's and i am NOT no where near attracted men or attracted to the thought of being with a man EVER!...........

So here goes! how many here find themselves being attracted to another transperson that is presenting in the gender that you find attractive, but you know full well that underneath they are the gender that you dont find attractive?.....confused yet? i am lol

I guess really this question is mainly to those that identify as straight or gay and not bi, because im looking at it from a straight or gay angle and not someone that likes both genders therefore might not be as bothered......but bi people are still welcome to answer if they have an insight to the human brain lol

God i hope i worded that well enough not to confuse anyone as ive just confused myself :roflmao: also i hope ive not offended anyone


oh btw this question is open to EVERYONE that wishes to answer that definitely includes the GG's :)

[pocoyo]

LOL! I love it when you ramble....!
Actually that made perfect sense to me.

Erm well I guess that's hard for me to answer because as a boy I fancy everyone (hahaha... not literally...!)

If I transitioned/had been born a male I would be bi, so I would fancy whatever gender in whatever guise.

As a female however (although that term doesn't fit me quite right... but I mean when trying to be a genetic girl) I only fancy men.
I find the thought of being with men hard enough while I have a female body... but to be with another female with my female body would not be at all right.
I would fancy a man who was dressed as a woman very much (when I'm trying to be a gg), but that could be linked in with my tgism ... as it would probably makes me feel less girly and "inferior". And also because he would be more likely to understand my own tg issues.

So I guess basically .... to put it simply... as a BOY I fancy anyone at any stage along the sexuality and the gender continuum.

As a girl I just fancy men, dressed as a man or a women.

[Kieron Andrew]

LOL! I love it when you ramble....!i do NOT!:o

btw youve just confused me more hehee

[pocoyo]

Haha yeah yeah :p

I confused you more? Hehe! It makes perfect sense to me lol! (No-one else though haha!)

Ok I will try and say it in another way:

Right... at the moment I do not like my body because I don't like the female bits. I can't even really bear being with men any more because of this... but being with men is more bearable than being with women, because another female body against my female body would just be horrible... that doesn't do it for me.

However... if I had a fully MALE body I would feel far more relaxed and confident and would date women as well as men.
I would also date crossdressers, transpeople, anyone. I wouldn't have a limit on "who" I fancied because I would like men AND women... and any combination therof.

[Abraxas]

Hmmm. Whelp. Either way, I only fancy boys... But then... Hmm. I'm a tad picky. Okay. How to explain this....?

In a group of, say, 10 genetic straight guys, I might find, say, 6 or 7 that I fancied, or that I could conceivably, erm... y'know. Out of 10 genetic gay guys, maybe a 3 or 4. For some reason, I tend to not be attracted to gay guys nearly as much as I am to straight guys. And as for MTF CDs/pre-op TGs, it might be 1 or 2 out of the 10.

There are certain GGs/FTMs that I find attractive, but I don't think I could ever really fancy them, in that way, probably because of what Poc said-- the female bits would get in the way of my enjoying it, because of my own female bits. In fact, I'd probably get completely freaked out and run away. I've had girls try to dance with me/ ask to kiss me/ whatever, and I always get extremely nervous and just stammer out, 'erm, no, sorry... gottagobye'. Were I physically male, I don't honestly know whether I'd have that much of a problem with it. Maybe I still would. *shrugs*

Some people would say that's just me not being secure in my sexuality. *shrug* Maybe that's true, I don't know. Maybe I'm still convinced girls have cooties. Could be...

More to the point, I don't think I could ever fall in love with a female, and that's the important part. To me, anyway.

None of that made any sense whatsoever, did it? Ugh.

[Kieron Andrew]

None of that made any sense whatsoever, did it? Ugh.
sort of....i think! :eek:......

my brain hurts....

why do i ask stupidly complicated questions lol

[Adam]

As far as i no i only like girls but then again if i found i fancyed a guy it wouldent bother me because formost i do fall in love with the person.
Haveing said that i have never felll in love or had a partner so who no's whats in store yeah i will let you guys no if i ever meet someone i love
:D

[Tristan]

I've found women attractive but I can't think about doing more then admiring them... clothed... with none of the girl parts showing. So I guess I identify as being a gay guy and I'm quite smittened with a genetic gay guy at the moment. After transition though, maybe women wouldn't be off the table, but for women I am attracted to the more masculine type so maybe another ftm isn't off the table either.

[Kieron Andrew]

ok to broaden the question slightly....how many have mixed emotions when feeling attracted to someone that is trans....identifying the gender you are attracted to but actually being the opposite......

i.e i am attracted women but when i look at some mtf's im also attracted, which occasionally really screws my head up cos i know underneath the girlie underwear/dress theres a man!

like i said all can answer these questions

[mistunderstood]

I am attracted to women. I consitter myself as a strait man. But my girlfriend consitters me as a gay woman. Yes I love to look at gay male and transgendered porn of men in drag, so does my girlfriend she finds half the stuff for me:).I think a man is awsome when they can walk in heels. Like in Rocky Horror Show.
Hope that helps.

[pocoyo]

ok to broaden the question slightly....how many have mixed emotions when feeling attracted to someone that is trans....identifying the gender you are attracted to but actually being the opposite......

i.e i am attracted women but when i look at some mtf's im also attracted, which occasionally really screws my head up cos i know underneath the girlie underwear/dress theres a man!

like i said all can answer these questions

Obviously when you say "mtfs" you are talking about crossdressing mtfs there... hmmm. Well I would say that the reason you fancy them is BECAUSE they look like the thing that you find attractive. It doesn't matter that you know they are men underneath because they LOOK like a sexy lady.

Just like something that LOOKS like a nice chocolate sponge-cake still looks like it tastes nice, even if it's really made of an inedible substance.

Ok that probably doesn't even make any sense lol! I'm a bit slow today!

Also to be honest... I don't think that any person is completely gay or straight... we are all just sexual beings with varying degrees. That might come into play a bit too.

[Michelle Ellis]

wow Kieron, I have mixed emotions about every situation I visualize myself in LOL

I'm a GM (and TS) and I'm attracted to GGs, beyond that I'm one highly confused puppy!

As to your original question, on rare occasions I've been attracted to another trans-person that is presenting in my preferred sex. But then there's attraction itself, being physical attraction to someone or attracted by way of personality and strength of character.

Personality wins with me every time.

What am I saying? I dunno :p I'm confused now too...

M

[ubokvt]

Thank you Andrew for this wonderful conudrum. I would like to be capable of a loving relationship with any person. If I were in a loving relationship then it will involve some level of physicality and in time possibly leading to sex. If I loved the person first then I could consider a physicaly intimate relationship regardless of gender or gender identification. However when I see sexual relationship first, then gender becomes an issue. I find as I dress more, become more involved with the Trans community, my boundies become broader and what I coud not have considered before, now there is at least a curiosity. I have to say I've seen some very hot Trans and wondered even knowing what is underneath.

[Casey Morgan]

You threw me with the double use of "gender". To make it easier all around, I'll answer the question from both meanings.

I can be and am attracted to MTFs who present as female and who are female (gender). But while I'm also attracted to MTF crossdressers who present as female but are actually male (gender), knowing that they identify as male alters my perception of them. In both cases, their sex doesn't bother me. I don't know why them being male (gender) turns me off but it does. But then I've never actuallty been in that situation so who really knows.

[happyfish]

This topic hurts my brain. >.< Though I think I (finally) understand what you're asking. I'm currently going through one of my 'bi' phases (I think this one might stick), so it doesn't really matter about the gender of the person I'm attracted to, or which gender they're currently presenting themselves as. I'm actually more attracted to a man in drag (knowing he's in drag) than a man in man-clothes. Not quite sure why. Though I'd like to second misunderstood's comment on men in high heels being awesome. Rocky Horror has to be one of my favourite movies ever.

[Caroline Simmons]

You do post some good thoughtfull questions Kieron

I remember you and I having a chat along thes lines just before we went to Sparkle back in 2005 i think it was. when we both fancied Miss Drummond.

I do consider striaght male. but my maleself could quite easly fancy a MtF T-girl. ( I wont tell tell you who lol )

One TS my maleself realy fancied was Caroline Cossey back in the 80s , then I met a GG in real life
confused yes

One thing I do get fear, is if a GG MtF FtM meet Caroline and we get on really well. how would they feel towards meeting Dave my real side even tho they know we are one and the same. do they like Caroline or me the two persons I am ?

confused yes

Dave could go out this weekend meet a GG fall in love.

confused yes

real good question Kieron,

Im off to bed and sleeep on this one

Caroline xx

[kerrianna]

Hey, I'm attracted to my dog sometimes. :D Seriously. She's a sexy spirited being. So is my cat. He's a sweet male. Not that I would do anything other than stroke them, tickle them behind their ears, rub their chins...:blushing:...:heehee:

I agree that if you're attracted to the person, the spirit, the sexuality is dealt with as it is. There are both MTF's and FTM's here that I think are sexy as heck, and I'm not naming names...probably all know who they are anyway.

Course, this comes from the person stroking his cat sensuously purrpurrpurr :p ...

[Colleentg]

It's a complexing question and just as much are all the answers. But I'm not saying anyone's wrong either. I'm more attracted to and very envious of women, always have been. I've been in intimate relationships with a few men, and it just wasn't what I thought it would be. Now I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I do know I'm attracted to other MtF TS/TG, quite a lot, in fact. I've just not found that special someone yet. It's not the genetic part of them, it's the femininity they have and share. I don't worry about whether I'm going to be intimate with another CD/TG/TS, I want to experience the connection and of it first. I can't admit I"m attracted to men, I know I don't think about them like I do about women and other CD/TG/TS. I have, however, found myself attracted to men's wallets! LOL Money talks, type of thing. There's a bunch of them trying to connect with me, but I shrug them off mostly. I just fear another disaster, as I had once with a man I lived with. That's all, I'm done!

[CaptLex]

So here goes! how many here find themselves being attracted to another transperson that is presenting in the gender that you find attractive, but you know full well that underneath they are the gender that you dont find attractive?.....
Okay, fess up, bro . . . which one of the gurls here do you have a crush on? Probably more than one, right? :tongueout

I don't think the question is that confusing (if I read it right), but some of the answers are bound to be. What you're saying is that you're attracted to a female presentation, even when you know that underneath that presentation there's a different reality. I have the same thing in reverse. I like boys and I'm attracted to a male presentation, even when I realize that underneath there's a bio-female. Whether I would go any further than a bit of flirting with this person is anyone's guess. I've never tried it, but I wouldn't rule it out.

What's kind of confusing, though, is that although I'm not usually attracted to GGs (unless there's somewhat of a masculine quality), I have found some MtFs really hot - as you know from my huge crush on Sweet Eddie (not to mention Tim Curry in Rocky Horror). I'm still trying to figure that out. No easy answers, I think, but it's fun trying to wade through the confusion. :p

[Kate Simmons]

Er--I'm attracted to a person as the person they are, gender notwithstanding. It's as simple (and as complex) as that to me Hon.;) :battingeyelashes:

[Robin Leigh]

Nice thread, Kieron!

I generally think of myself as hetero. My sexual adventures in my youth with other GMs were fun, but ultimately unsatisfying. I generally don't find GMs very physically attractive, whether they are straight or gay. I do find some MTFs attractive, but I don't know how I'd really feel if I were to get intimate with another CDer. None of my gay lovers knew that I was TG (at least I don't think they did).

However, I've never really had the chance to get sexual with another TG person, and I must admit that it is an attractive possibility to be with another person who has a similar outlook on gender to me, whether GG or GM. I'm usually attracted to feminine people, but who knows what could happen if I might the right person & our personalities clicked? I pride myself on my versatility. :D

:hugs:

Robin

[pocoyo]

Hey, I'm attracted to my dog sometimes. :D Seriously. She's a sexy spirited being. So is my cat. He's a sweet male. Not that I would do anything other than stroke them, tickle them behind their ears, rub their chins...:blushing:...:heehee:

I agree that if you're attracted to the person, the spirit, the sexuality is dealt with as it is. There are both MTF's and FTM's here that I think are sexy as heck, and I'm not naming names...probably all know who they are anyway.

Course, this comes from the person stroking his cat sensuously purrpurrpurr :p ...

KERRIANNA!!!

I know that you are making a point about it doesn't matter who/what someone is/looks like they are just cool if they are cool... but surely you're not ATTRACTED to your animals in a possibly romantic sense!!!?? :lol2: :lol:

Lmao.. maybe you need to word your posts more carefully incase people don't understand... although that's probably WHY you worded it like that knowing you :p

Well... unless that's your particular thing.... :heehee: ... and I am wondering now.... especially as you're getting sensuous with your cat!

Oh maaan! *refrains from cracking an all too obvious "joke" about the cat....*

[bi_weird]

Mmm what an interesting thread. I find your answers amusing in a "wow I totally don't get that(but totally respect it)" sort of way. I guess I really am sorta color blind for gender, both mine and others. It seems to me, you're attracted to who you're attracted to, and you pick whichever label fits that best, but basically we all can love all sorts of people. I sorta accept monosexual labels as something that makes total sense to other people, but I completly don't get.

[pocoyo]

Mmm what an interesting thread. I find your answers amusing in a "wow I totally don't get that(but totally respect it)" sort of way. I guess I really am sorta color blind for gender, both mine and others. It seems to me, you're attracted to who you're attracted to, and you pick whichever label fits that best, but basically we all can love all sorts of people. I sorta accept monosexual labels as something that makes total sense to other people, but I completly don't get.

I think I'm like that too... someone (who thinks I'm a gay, boy loving gm) once said to me that she doesn't think it would matter if it was a boy or girl I'd fall in love with/find attractive... it would just be the person I loved.....
But it's my own body/gender dysphoria which gets in the way of that.

For instance..... re: being attracted to who you're attracted to. I have stood at work and seen a sexy girl before and forgotten I have a girl's body, and the boy in me has gone "rarr...I'd like to do her (with the male body I have in my mind)" then I remember I have a female body and go "euurgh, not nice!"

p.s. Ehem... sorry for being horrible "I'd like to do her"... but I just wanted to explain something lol! I am a nice boy really, honestly.

[Felix]

Hi Kieron great question! As for me well I see the attractiveness of straight men and gay men but would never want either. I fancy women and always have since I can remember really. I find gay men attractive but I think its the feminine side that attracts me but I would never want anything more than friendship. Hetro men I can appreciate their attractive qualities but would only want friendship most definately.

I can relate to the confused feelings ya have Kieron cos I have experienced them too but not in terms of gay or straight men and it does blow ya mind apart :o

[Lisa Golightly]

i am attracted women but when i look at some mtf's im also attracted, which occasionally really screws my head up cos i know underneath the girlie underwear/dress theres a man!

But often inside that man there is a woman... ;)

[kerrianna]

Okay maybe I should try answering this a bit more seriously, although Pocoyo is right - the point I was trying to make is sexy is sexy and if you're open minded....

However, the question I have to ask myself is how open minded am I if I were to seriously contemplate this? I haven't actually considered myself bi before, although in the context of Kerrianna I do entertain the thoughts, more to do with it making me feel more female. Otherwise I haven't been attracted to guys in a physical way, although I do find some men to be attractive nonetheless.

So if there was a MTF who really caught my eye how far would I could I go? Truthfully I don't know if I could say because they aren't standing here in the room with me. That's the only way I would know for sure. I think that when it came down to removing the presentation then I might hesistate a bit, but if I really liked the person and was all worked up...eh, who knows? Might be an experience to cherish. I couldn't really say if I would stop or not when I thought about it. I think my attitudes have been changed a lot since joining this forum and I know my life values would say explore and love without prejudice.

As serious as she gets. :straightface:
Now, where is that cat? :heehee:

[Kieron Andrew]

But often inside that man there is a woman... ;)
oh you just had to go and confuse it one step further didnt you :tongueout

[pocoyo]

oh you just had to go and confuse it one step further didnt you :tongueout

Yeah but you were talking about mtf crossdressers weren't you Kieron?
As in... the kind that are men and like being men?

***

Hahaha Kerrianna.... serious up until the last sentence :rolleyes: :heehee:
*tuts in a disapproving uncle type of way at the cat comment hehe*

[ZenFrost]

I consider myself to be a straight guy trapped in a lesbian's body (or something like that). I'm attracted to only women, but I define women a bit more generally than most. I think that any MtF TG/TS that identifies as being female is female. I like what's on the inside more than what's on the outside. (I'd prefer a geeky scientist over a supermodel anyday.) I think because I see things from one side, I can understand the other. My body technically is female, but I am not. So if a MtF is really a woman trapped in a man's body, I could be attracted to her.

However, I can't see myself with someone that identifies as being a man (GM, FtM, or MtF CD that only dresses as a woman occationally but still prefers to be a man).

[PaulaJaneThomas]

btw this question is open to EVERYONE that wishes to answer that definitely includes the GG's :)

Maybe you'll allow the odd Guinness-swilling badger to slip in under the radar ;)

My advice: if you're attracted to someone and they're attracted to you then sod the stereotypes. BTW I think you owe me a pint ;)

[PaulaJaneThomas]

But often inside that man there is a woman... ;)

Or maybe even a badger :D