Perversion

[Joy Carter]

OK Heather's thread got to thinking here. Does anyone think what we do is a perversion ? I mean sex aside. Has it ever crossed your mind or is it keeping you from going out ? You GG's/Boyz, what are your thoughts on this ?

[linnea]

I don't think of it as a perversion. Way back I wondered and had a lot of doubts, but for the past twenty or thirty years I've grown progressively more and more settled on the issue. Historically speaking it's got plenty of precedence; morally speaking it is not wrong. It is not, so far as I know illegal, and it is not a sickness (physical or mental). It may involve a genetically based inclination or propensity or even drive, but perverse--I think not:2c: .

[tightsgirl]

I'm a complete pervert, but crossdressing has nothing to do with it:2c:

[Eugenie]

I believe that the questions isn't whether we, X-dressers, think X-dressing is a perversion but whether the public at large think it is a perversion.

Ther's a lot of education about X-dressing to be made in the media and to start with an education of most medias... More generally education on how X-dressing is being portrayed in movies and TV series. That may even be more efficient than serious documentaries on the subject...

:hugs:
Eugenie

[hotbobbie]

Good God NO

[Dawn D.]

Like Eugenie said. It's more about what the ("normal") public at large perceives as a perversion. And, no, what keeps me behind closed doors is my wife and the small community we live in! She's ok with me doing this, just not ready for me to go Prime Time!

I do long for the opportunity to present itself that I can venture out someday.

Perversion or not!!!!


Dawn

[satinunderneath]

Of course in one sense it is a perversion. It is not to the norms of society, however, you yourself must accept what is a norm. Not all societies are the same. My wife and I have this discussion quite often, mostly because of my guilt, and constant requirement to realize that she is really ok with it. I should know by now, since she buys all of my nylons and nighties, and a good protion of my shoes. But as long as you are comfortable with yourself, torpedos be damned, full speed ahead.

[CaptLex]

No, I don't consider myself a pervert for crossdressing (for other reasons maybe ;)) - but I'm sure other people do. I pay them no mind. Of course, dressing was never a sexual turn on for me, but I don't think those that dress for fetishistic reasons are perverts either. Whatever makes you happy. :happy:

[marie354]

The public's first thought would be just that. I don't think it's perverted at all. Perverts peek in windows, and desire to play with little boys or little girls, from 8 to 18 even if they are 80.

[cindychan]

I always think of peeping toms when I hear the word pervert not CDs.

[Toyah]

I think what stops me going out is being ridiculed for wearing what I like too. Problem is I cannot get all political on this we have our minority ideas but hey its a big world and most of them think of us as perverted, Sorry but dont want to get involved with the world my life is complicated enough without CDing adding to it

[dann]

Even if one was a crossdresser that liked to force himself (sexually) on others, that still wouldn't make crossdressing a perversion. That person would just be a perverted crossdresser.
Right?

The end of the day, it matters not to those around us what we think of our crossdressing. They'll formulate their own judgement or just go along with the crowd.
this taps into a question that is always running through my mind. Sometimes more than others. That is, what is the big deal? Why are these sorts of issues so immoral to most people? I probably have just as many questions about why people think it's wrong as others do about why we even do it. I'll quit while I'm ahead.

[Tamara Croft]

To be honest, I think a lot of people do think CD'ing is some kind of perverted thing to do. I don't think it is, but then again, I don't think there is anything wrong with being perverted ;) we are all perverted in some way or another.

Even though I'm an accepting GG and I'm supportive etc, it's not always that way for me you know, I do sometimes have my off days, when I just wonder... wth is all this about.... and then I find it 'weird'... lol.... perverted... nope ;)

[Brianna Lovely]

Perversion
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perversion is a term and concept describing those types of human behavior that are perceived to be a deviation from what is considered to be orthodox or normal. It was originally defined as a "deviation from the original meaning or doctrine", literally a "turning aside" from the norm. The term pervert is a person in a state of perversion, though this term, referring to a person instead of a behavior, is generally used in a derogatory sense. Perversion, or perverse behavior, differs from deviant behavior, which describes a recognized violation of social rules or norms (though the two terms can apply to the same behavior).

Before the 20th century, the term usually meant religious perversion, i.e., changing one's religion to an erroneous one. In that sense, who was considered a pervert always depended on one's point of view. In the present day, the term most often refers to "sexual perversions", more neutrally called paraphilias, many of which can contribute to sex crimes. The term, in a general sense, is most often applied to the more abnormal or disturbed types of sexual behavior, mainly those involving compulsion and coercion. Used casually, the term can be meant to simply describe someone who is seen as having "dirty", "unnatural" or ambiguous thoughts. Still, the definition and usage of the concept can vary by such variables as time, person, religion, and culture; and what some would describe as perversion, others might say is simply a variant form of human sexuality. Homosexuality was once considered to be a perversion in many cultures, and indeed still is in several; it is nevertheless widely seen in the western world today as a form of natural sexual variation. The verb form of the term, in general usage, simply means to turn something away from its natural state (or what is perceived to be its natural state.) For example, one might say that the modern film version of Romeo and Juliet "perverted" Shakespeare's version of the story.


Catholicism
In a similar sense, the term was also used in the pre-Vatican II era by some Roman Catholics to describe the process of converting from Roman Catholicism to Protestantism. Whereas a protestant who joined Roman Catholicism was described as a convert, a Catholic who became a Protestant was called a pervert. The phrase is no longer used by mainstream Catholicism, though traditional Catholics occasionally still use it.

[Kelsy]

It is not so much a perversion as it is a deviation from accepted norms. Gender roles have developed to preserve an order to society and for protection for the basic societal structure - The family. Deviation from these norms risks chaos and a break down of order and is threatening to most people.


Jennifer:happy:

[Daintre]

When I first tried to find out what this cross dressing was, there was no internet, all we had was the library and our doctors. Using the library was quite a chore, I finally found it in the section on Abnormal psychology, and yes it was listed as a perversion. Reading that made me feel very bad, it was years later until I began to feel better about myself.

Perversion again reared its ugly head during my divorce where cross dressing was used as a tool against me regarding custody issues. The fact I was still very much in the closet made it easy to be manipulated.

Today we are so much more enlightened, there are still people who are still stuck with old ideas, but things are changing albeit slowly.

[PaulaJaneThomas]

Crossdressing badgers are normal. I'm not so sure about you lot though :D

Being slightly serious for a millisecond or two, I'm a very out TG. Many hundereds of people know who I am, what I am and exactly where I live. Quite a few have taken the time and trouble to tell me that they do not regard me as either a pervert or threat to their children.

[trannie T]

Do I practice behavior which many do not recognise as normal? Yup.
Is anyone harmed by this behavior? Nope.
Am I a pervert? In the strictest defination of the term, probably.
Do I care? No!

[charles1]

i have not dressed in a year and it is now an obsession. i purged last year and now my wife is away and i am trying to wear her lingere it's too small but i feel home again.. nice to chat and be back fondly, chas

[JulieCDorlando]

No, I do not believe my CDing is a perversion. When I think of pervert, I see a guy in a trench coat flashing. As a few of the ladies here have pointed out, is that society as a whole sees us in this (perverted) way. Perhaps in time, the views of society will change and see us as we see ourselves; truely human. All of us can change the view society has on us, by being a good example in all things. The media can help as Eugenie pointed out, Sadly though, idiotic shows like Jerry Springer gives CD's a terrible image in the publics view. In a sitcom, drama tv show, I am not sure if the show would actually stay on for very long here in the States.

[mona lisa]

See a previous thread I posted (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=699895#post699895) for details.

[Alice B]

While I am new to all of this I do not think it is even close to a perversion unless you carry things to to the point of being very extreme. Understanding that very extreme is somewhat subjective. If you and your SI are OK with what you do it is OK

[Kimberley]

I used to think so, many years ago. Then I found the net and all these resources and sources of information and my eyes were opened. I realized I wasnt the only one. I realized that I was not ill. I realized it was more or less normal just not accepted behaviour.

I took a deep breath, blinked, poured myself a Glenfiddich and smiled. I was right with the world for the first time in over 40 years. What a great feeling!

:hugs:
Kimberley

[sterling12]

"Perversion", much like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Since it's become a descriptive term, (how many times have you heard someone call somebody else a pervert), and an all-purpose perjorative, I not sure that any two persons would have the same definition.

However, I think that many people generally use the term to define a social act that deviates from societal norms and IS HARMFUL.

Yes, we probably deviate from the Norms, but we are a very numerous minority. What percentage of us have to be crossdressing before it becomes A Norm? And, since we certainly aren't harming society, what the hell are they getting worked up about?

I'll use a term quite popular in Britain. I don't think I'm a pervert. I think I might be a "funny old stick", who just enjoys feeling feminine. Can we substitute the word "eccentric?"

Peace and Love, Joanie

[melissacd]

For much of my life I thought that it was wrong and perverted and could not understand why I felt compelled to do it. It took a great deal of reflection and contemplation and dialog with other CDs from 2004 through 2006 to convince me that it was okay. Now I fully embrace it as one of the most important gifts that I have.

[marie354]

For the most part, we are not perverts because we are not out to hurt or offend anyone... Just trying to find our way in the world.

[Joy Carter]

Perversion
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perversion is a term and concept describing those types of human behavior that are perceived to be a deviation from what is considered to be orthodox or normal. It was originally defined as a "deviation from the original meaning or doctrine", literally a "turning aside" from the norm. The term pervert is a person in a state of perversion, though this term, referring to a person instead of a behavior, is generally used in a derogatory sense. Perversion, or perverse behavior, differs from deviant behavior, which describes a recognized violation of social rules or norms (though the two terms can apply to the same behavior).

Before the 20th century, the term usually meant religious perversion, i.e., changing one's religion to an erroneous one. In that sense, who was considered a pervert always depended on one's point of view. In the present day, the term most often refers to "sexual perversions", more neutrally called paraphilias, many of which can contribute to sex crimes. The term, in a general sense, is most often applied to the more abnormal or disturbed types of sexual behavior, mainly those involving compulsion and coercion. Used casually, the term can be meant to simply describe someone who is seen as having "dirty", "unnatural" or ambiguous thoughts. Still, the definition and usage of the concept can vary by such variables as time, person, religion, and culture; and what some would describe as perversion, others might say is simply a variant form of human sexuality. Homosexuality was once considered to be a perversion in many cultures, and indeed still is in several; it is nevertheless widely seen in the western world today as a form of natural sexual variation. The verb form of the term, in general usage, simply means to turn something away from its natural state (or what is perceived to be its natural state.) For example, one might say that the modern film version of Romeo and Juliet "perverted" Shakespeare's version of the story.


Catholicism
In a similar sense, the term was also used in the pre-Vatican II era by some Roman Catholics to describe the process of converting from Roman Catholicism to Protestantism. Whereas a protestant who joined Roman Catholicism was described as a convert, a Catholic who became a Protestant was called a pervert. The phrase is no longer used by mainstream Catholicism, though traditional Catholics occasionally still use it.

Very good Brianna !:D

[Sandra]

Society thinks it's preverted but that is beacuse people aren't willing to learn about the TG community, they just jump on the band wagon and think they know it all.

[Joy Carter]

Society thinks it's preverted but that is beacuse people aren't willing to learn about the TG community, they just jump on the band wagon and think they know it all.

Just like about anything Sandra.

[MsJanessa]

Perverted?!?! and if I catch you wearing My panties one more time, I'll turn you over My knee and give you a spanking you won't forget young lady!!:dom:

[Peggy55]

Here's the long and longer of it.......

Perversion
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Perversion is a term and concept describing those types of human behavior that are perceived to be a deviation from what is considered to be orthodox or normal. It was originally defined as a "deviation from the original meaning or doctrine", literally a "turning aside" from the norm. The term pervert is a person in a state of perversion, though this term, referring to a person instead of a behavior, is generally used in a derogatory sense. Perversion, or perverse behavior, differs from deviant behavior, which describes a recognized violation of social rules or norms (though the two terms can apply to the same behavior).

Before the 20th century, the term usually meant religious perversion, i.e., changing one's religion to an erroneous one. In that sense, who was considered a pervert always depended on one's point of view. In the present day, the term most often refers to "sexual perversions", more neutrally called paraphilias, many of which can contribute to sex crimes. The term, in a general sense, is most often applied to the more abnormal or disturbed types of sexual behavior, mainly those involving compulsion and coercion. Used casually, the term can be meant to simply describe someone who is seen as having "dirty", "unnatural" or ambiguous thoughts. Still, the definition and usage of the concept can vary by such variables as time, person, religion, and culture; and what some would describe as perversion, others might say is simply a variant form of human sexuality. Homosexuality was once considered to be a perversion in many cultures, and indeed still is in several; it is nevertheless widely seen in the western world today as a form of natural sexual variation. The verb form of the term, in general usage, simply means to turn something away from its natural state (or what is perceived to be its natural state.) For example, one might say that the modern film version of Romeo and Juliet "perverted" Shakespeare's version of the story.

[Peggy55]

And for those of you who might be intrested in an explanation of what constitudes crossdressing. Look at this one it has a lot of links else where. Informative!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossdressing

[Peggy55]

OMG Joy you beat me to it!

[Roxi Loh]

If it is a perversion its a darn fun one. I just love the perversion of feeling like my feminine self. The perverted feel of nylons traversing over my legs as I cinch them to my garter belt. That feel of the powder puff tufting your cheeks as you seal your makeup. The first touch of lipstick to your lips...the taste...the smell. Maybe a little perverted...but I love it.

[Kathleen Ann Trees]

To start, this forum has helped me to understand how common our feelings and drives are. It has been a great source of comfort for me. Thanks again to you all.

As I've said before, I'm not a religious person, but I try to do the "right" things in life. I try to be kind and respectful. I try to understand another person's perspective, no matter the issue. Crossdressing has given me a basis to acknowledge how different we all can be and it's important to view the world from the other person's high heels. But defining "right" is complicated and we all come from our own perspective. There is a societal norm, and at this time, we are on the fringes of that.

It's happening, but it's going to be a while longer before crossdressing is socially acceptable. I understand that, so I try to be respectful of the majority, as I hope they will be of me. One example of how they are coming to accept us is the topic of how we are treated in stores in another thread. Generally, it seems we are gaining some ground from the retailers.

But even I am uncomfortable when when I think about explaining crossdressing to children. Their natural instict is to be accepting as they are use to seeing new things, and have an open mind to them. Now that I write this, I guess I should give them more credit.

In conclusion, I think I need acknowledgement and acceptance from family and friends to develop a higher level of self comfort.

Sorry for the wandering blather.
Kathleen

[Joy Carter]

To start, this forum has helped me to understand how common our feelings and drives are. It has been a great source of comfort for me. Thanks again to you all.

As I've said before, I'm not a religious person, but I try to do the "right" things in life. I try to be kind and respectful. I try to understand another person's perspective, no matter the issue. Crossdressing has given me a basis to acknowledge how different we all can be and it's important to view the world from the other person's high heels. But defining "right" is complicated and we all come from our own perspective. There is a societal norm, and at this time, we are on the fringes of that.

It's happening, but it's going to be a while longer before crossdressing is socially acceptable. I understand that, so I try to be respectful of the majority, as I hope they will be of me. One example of how they are coming to accept us is the topic of how we are treated in stores in another thread. Generally, it seems we are gaining some ground from the retailers.

But even I am uncomfortable when when I think about explaining crossdressing to children. Their natural instict is to be accepting as they are use to seeing new things, and have an open mind to them. Now that I write this, I guess I should give them more credit.

In conclusion, I think I need acknowledgement and acceptance from family and friends to develop a higher level of self comfort.

Sorry for the wandering blather.
Kathleen


No Kathleen, it was very good.:hugs:

[Iniquity Blonde GG]

no i dont think its perverted, @ first i thought it was strange !! :o but..... ive come to understand its just like a "outer skin". it takes some getting used to, but its defo not perverted :rolleyes:

[ReginaK]

Perversion is a matter of perception and is completely relative.

[michellebesweet]

I do not look at myself as being a pervert.

[Peggy55]

It's been "explained" to me that crossdressing does not make you a pervert...the term may more be it makes you a deviate! (sp) Sounds bad too but it merely means that your actions deviate from which is considered "norm".

[Kate Simmons]

I depends on your outlook, Joy. I think the perversion part comes in when you try to be someone you are not. I used to get a lot of headaches and missed a lot of work days because of denying who I was. I found out through therapy that I was creating my own problems and denying who I was. I was actually perverting my own self. Since I've accepted who I am and freely express that, the conflicts along with the headaches have since ceased to exist. I go back and forth but that is all part of the balance. Anything else is just a perversion in my case.:happy:

[Mary Morgan]

What I find perverted is a society that would limit human potential, to constrain behavior that might broaden or enhance the human condition. It is a perversion to advocate as a society, the human right to freedom and self-expression, and to then create so-called "norms" to splinter people into groups for the purpose of exclusion. Crossdressing takes nothing from society, and crossdressers and the transgender add much. Imagine a society that actually embraces all of it's members.

[PaulaJaneThomas]

What I find perverted is a society that would limit human potential, to constrain behavior that might broaden or enhance the human condition. It is a perversion to advocate as a society, the human right to freedom and self-expression, and to then create so-called "norms" to splinter people into groups for the purpose of exclusion. Crossdressing takes nothing from society, and crossdressers and the transgender add much. Imagine a society that actually embraces all of it's members.

Well said Louise :thumbsup:

[Deidra Cowen]

I think all of you are perverts! :tongueout

[Michelle 51]

I think we're ok.It's the world that's a little strange. Justabit

[Tamera]

OK Heather's thread got to thinking here. Does anyone think what we do is a perversion ? I mean sex aside. Has it ever crossed your mind or is it keeping you from going out ? You GG's/Boyz, what are your thoughts on this ?

I think how one acts or thinks is perversion. The way one dresses would not be perversion maybe provocative.
Love,
Tamera

[Michelle Ellis]

I agree with Tamara, I don't think there's anything wrong with a little perversion, and I'm sure a lot more people than not think we are nothing but a bunch of perverts, but for all the wrong reasons.

Oh well... I'd hate to be them...

M

[Sierra Evon]

To me I dont think of it as perverse at all , I just feel great doing it and having a blast !!!!!!!

[paulaN]

All men are perverted ask any woman. but crossdressing is not.

[Angie G]

It's fun it's feels good and it's relaxing so no problem :hugs:
Angie

[Joy Carter]

What I find perverted is a society that would limit human potential, to constrain behavior that might broaden or enhance the human condition. It is a perversion to advocate as a society, the human right to freedom and self-expression, and to then create so-called "norms" to splinter people into groups for the purpose of exclusion. Cross dressing takes nothing from society, and cross dressers and the trans gender add much. Imagine a society that actually embraces all of it's members.

This is pretty good Loise. But the purpose for shunning someone in society is hate. For what ever reason. You can hate just on looks alone. I feel we all are contributors to society and we need to start tolerating everyone no matter who.

When I was in elementary school we had a girl who was disfigured from burns. We took square dancing and the others would not dance with her because of her burnt hands. I felt it was my duty to ask Debbie to dance. I know it meant allot to her.

[Mary Morgan]

Joy, I agree with you that hate is the product of it. But in fact. we have societal institutions that directly, or indirectly sanction that hatred. My point would be that we have perverted justice, equality, and personal responsibilty by permitting, regulating, and allowing all kinds of attitudes that have no benefit to the society to which we all belong. If that isn't a perversion of the basis for our society, then I'm confused. My wife would certainly agree with that. LOL

[janet p]

If you listen to my mother we are all crazy and perverted but I feel we do no harme to others and we don't try to force are self on others. We are just letting our innerself be free .:love:

[Karren H]

Nope...... I'm no pervert...... :D

Karren

[Barb Valentine]

I think as myself more of a pig then a pervert

[Jesse69]

My brother thinks I'm a big time pervert and he's only seen my skirt suits. When he sees my schoolgirl outs or cheerleader suits he'll think I'm an even bigger pervert.

[Angela E.]

I don`t want to be right!-Angela.:c9: :c9: :c9: :GE: :daydreaming: :daydreaming: :daydreaming:

[krissy]

:thumbsdn: NO WAY! i feel its a part of who i am as far back as i can remeber i have always liked to wear girls clothes when i was younger i had a lot of shame and gulit but through the years ihave seen and learned that im not a bad person that there is not any thing wrong with me.it may not be right toevery body out there but for me im happy and in the end its us who has to live in our own skins it can be very hard at timkes but i know in my heart i cant and wont stop ever:hugs:

krissy:bye: :dom:

[Melora]

If it harms none, then, = Just a lable for those who just dont understand...

[SANDRA MICHELLE]

I used to think all sorts of bad things about my crossdressing but until I realized that there were other people like me and I read up on it I have come to the realization that it is very normal. It is not perverted, but there are many small minded people that would view it that way.

[suzy]

Perversion??? Hell no... how can cross dressing be considered perverted?:hugs:

[marie354]

Unfortunately society views us as gay and/or perverted. Hopefully as time goes on and more and more of us come out into public view, we can change these fears to the positive attitude that it should be. My views are no different whether in guy or girl mode, as most of are.
If they don't see us as perverted in guy mode, why should they see us that way in girl mode.
I as I said... Hopefully in time, we can be viewed as we really are... Normal!

[Lovely Rita]

OK Heather's thread got to thinking here. Does anyone think what we do is a perversion ? I mean sex aside. Has it ever crossed your mind or is it keeping you from going out ? You GG's/Boyz, what are your thoughts on this ?

How can it be perverted to be true to oneself. This is how God wired me. Perversion is all the hypocrisy the public has to be because of societal expectations. I do admit that they had me convinced but thank God he cured me of all the self hate and guilt that society threw upon me.

No I have unlearned all that junk and I know that for me, at leaste, it is one of the healthiest self expressions I can engage in. I am no longer suceptable to the public's hang ups and hypocrisy. My conscience is also clear from a spiritual perspective. My wife supports my cding so there are no issues there either. No way and no how.

One more thing I also don't agree with the term of "gender confused". I am who I am. The truth has set me free. I do not have time for that sickness anymore.

Sorry for going on but I do feel strongly about the subject.

[MJ]

no way, i am no pervert , never was