Things that are socially acceptable for a GG to to but not a guy...

[heathr1]

I remember at work once, a GG I worked with and got on well with had the most beautiful, long, shiny, silky hair and one day a few of the other women at work (I was the only guy who worked there) stroked, ran their fingers through and played with her pony tail.

I thought to myself how it would be seen as intrusive/wierd if I did it too.

Yersterday in a coffee shop, I saw a group of 5 GGs aged in their late teens or early twenties and on meeting one of them did exactly the same thing to two of the others for several minutes.

Are you sometimes felt 'left out' from doing similar things simply because you are not a GG?

[tommi]

Absolutely, especially at work even standing around and listening to their conversations can earn repremands.:eek:

[marie354]

I do this all the time to my GF. I love the feel of baby-fine, silken hair. I have thick hair and it can't possibly ever feel the same. Even with the best shampoos.

I've seen a lot of other women that I would have loved to check out their hair and find out what shampoo they use to get it that way. (What is this... A hair fetish?)

[Lisa Golightly]

Ah they'd never get their fingers through my tangleweed... Even my brush wimpers in the morning. ;)

[Iniquity Blonde GG]

speaking as a GG ..... BUT i hate other GG's doing that !! :straightface: i remeber awhile ago, someone did it to a friend of mine, & she went mad !! "if" someone admires my hair and asks to touch it, i refuse . it just makes me feel "werid" :rolleyes:

[EmmaB GG]

I agree with Wicked - I hate people touching my hair - unless it's my SO!! Something like that isn't a socially acceptable thing - v much depends on the girl. It's more a sexual thing, really - a man touching a girls hair often means something more ......

To be honest, I can't think of anything that's socially acceptable for a gg only - and to be even more honest, there'll be more things that are OK for a boy to do than a girl !!

Anyone else think of anything?

[Country girl]

OK, I'm playing devil's advocate here, but yes to answer the question, I do feel there are things that GG's can and do do that a guy could never get away with. One example? How about holding hands as you walk together down the street or in the mall? I see other GG's do that all the time and I do it with my teenage daughters all the time with no one looking sideways at us. Two guys? Everyone would automatically think they were gay. Definate case of discrimination by the public. I do have to agree with Wicked and Emma gg though about the hair, much more pleasing if my SO guy is playing with my hair. Only females who get to touch my hair are my daughter's. :love: CG gg

[JulieC]

I agree with Wicked - I hate people touching my hair - unless it's my SO!! Something like that isn't a socially acceptable thing - v much depends on the girl. It's more a sexual thing, really - a man touching a girls hair often means something more ......

To be honest, I can't think of anything that's socially acceptable for a gg only - and to be even more honest, there'll be more things that are OK for a boy to do than a girl !!

Anyone else think of anything?

1: Women can go to the restroom together.

2: Women can compliment other women on their appearance without being thought a depraved sexist deviant.

3: Women can go into a men's underwear section without drawing attention.

4: Women can purchase whatever clothes they want, regardless of assigned gender, and wear it without raising eyebrows.

5: Women can shave their legs; less socially acceptable for men to do so.

Etc..etc..etc...and plenty more where they came from.

There's others going the other direction.

-BB

[CaptLex]

As I see it, there are two reasons these things are more acceptable for GGs than GMs:

(1) Unsure of intent - if a strange man tries to touch a woman's hair, she's not going to assume it's 'cause he wants to buy the same shampoo - she's going to automatically think he's making a pass at her.

(2) Homophobia - if we didn't live in such a homophobic society, two hetero men could very well hold hands in public without anyone caring. Even gay men refrain from doing it most of the time because they fear for their safety, which is unfair.

:2c:

[EmmaB GG]

Fair enough, BB

But don't get me started on the workplace thing right now ...... !

Anyone know of a good marketing job for a 40+ GG with 15 years experience? No? Thought not ... ah, well !

[Emma England]

1: Women can go to the restroom together.

2: Women can compliment other women on their appearance without being thought a depraved sexist deviant.

3: Women can go into a men's underwear section without drawing attention.

4: Women can purchase whatever clothes they want, regardless of assigned gender, and wear it without raising eyebrows.

5: Women can shave their legs; less socially acceptable for men to do so.

Etc..etc..etc...and plenty more where they came from.

There's others going the other direction.

-BB

Sorry BB, your numbers 2, 3, 5 are wrong. You are able to do those things as a man.

[MJ]

Ah they'd never get their fingers through my tangleweed... Even my brush wimpers in the morning. ;)

lol how true i had this guy at a bar run his fingers through my mop thank god it did not come off

[JulieC]

Sorry BB, your numbers 2, 3, 5 are wrong. You are able to do those things as a man.

2: If you compliment a woman on her appearance in the workplace, there's a reasonable chance HR will hear about it.

3: If you, dressed as a guy, go into the lingerie department and begin to obviously shop for non-sex related underthings, you're very rare indeed.

5: I wish it were more socially acceptable for men to shave their legs. Unfortunately, it isn't. I grant there are plenty of men who feel comfortable doing so, but it is not "the norm".

-BB

[CharleneCD]

Absolutely, especially at work even standing around and listening to their conversations can earn repremands.:eek:

I know this is the opposite of the topic but, You should work with Nurses. I walk into some very interesting conversations. And the gals dont bat an eye if I listen in. True I'm married and my wife works in the same depatment, so I am somewhat safe, but alot of what I hear falls into the TMI catagory. Kinda nice though getting a more inside look to girls conversations. I do know that this kind of thing would not happen in other environments though.

[Felix]

I know what ya mean In work I wouldn't dare as I am to touch one of the female staffs hair I would be seen as some kind of pervert which is completely out of order. I am always careful about which female staff I compliment on their appearance as I am aware they could take it the wrong way. I agree with the Captain society is still far too Homophobic :Angry3: xx Felix :hugs:

[jeniinnylons]

I have the Jeopardy answer/question!

What is sleep with their students and not go to jail?

Yup!

Women are seen different when they sleep with a student then a Man teacher. He usually goes to jail and she gets a slap on the wrist.

Gee the one teacher in NY slept with multiple kids and the
Judge scolled the victims for taking advantage of her.

[Bev06 GG]

I think your right, women do get away with things that would be classed as off the wall if it were two men. But dont you think thats because we are looked upon as the fairer sex, more affectionate and demonstrative all round. I am only speaking in general here.
Bev

[noname]

I think your right, women do get away with things that would be classed as off the wall if it were two men. But dont you think thats because we are looked upon as the fairer sex, more affectionate and demonstrative all round. I am only speaking in general here.

Society has this idea, that a guy doing anything femm is obviously a perv. On the other hand society does not view that a women could be a perv.

[Kristen Kelly]

Absolutely, especially at work even standing around and listening to their conversations can earn repremands.:eek:


Not true at all, I eat lunch with a few women at work and sit in on their conversations all the time, In fact we share recipes a lot and they are always complimenting how good of a cook I am. There have even been times when I’ve been involved in conversations where they have talked about how great the sex was with their boyfriends was last weekend. More than I need to know.

[Michellebej]

The first thing that comes to mind is from my younger days as a Store Detective. I used to get calls from time to time from women who were in hysterics because a man was using a "female" fitting room. I don't mean a CD I mean a man. To flip that around women used to go into the mens fitting room all the time if the female fitting rooms were full.... no big deal.... right?

Same environment; better job title, and years later, I was the person in charge of determining risk assessment vis a vis Asset Protection. I worked with Corporate HR. I saw case after case of men asking women out on a date and having a sexual harrasement charge brought against them. I was in charge of the investigation for those complaints. MOST of them were just simple request for a date. Nothing more, nothing less. However; the men still had Sexual Harrassment flags put into their files ( this was before the policy of the person being harrassed having to tell thier "admirer" that they did not like the behaviour. And; having to wait for a second occurrance to file charges). Women on the other hand could flirt and ask a male co-worker out, and it was "ok". At that time women could even safely engage in behaviour we would regard as stalking today. I have no idea of current policies

Going through College I worked fast food. The young women there would tell long lurid tales of their sexual experiances; with much graphic detail. And; they did not care who was there, male or female. The one time a guy did the same around the girls he was fired and escorted off the premises on the spot. And; the girls went back to talking about the "size" of their men. Really pissed me off.

Recently I read in the local paper of a man who was beat up by his live in Girlfriend and because she was pregnant HE was arrested and sent to jail. Because the law states that on a DV charge SOMEONE must go to jail.

There was another case here in Ohio, where a man met a women who had a child and let them move in with him. He owned the house. She got ticked at him, called the police, and he was removed from the house. Why? Because she was a single mother with child. She got a restraining order and he was not allowed near his own house for 6 months. When he moved back in His TV, stereo, tools, and most of his "saleable" stuff were gone. The Police said there was nothing they could do about it. Oh, and why did she have him removed in the first place? Because he got mad when he found her stealing his stuff to pay for drugs.

Think I got a bit off base, but; you can see that society treats women, especially mothers, differently than men. In any of the above situations if a man had been the victim, society would not ( except in isolated instances) see a crime/problem.

Michelle

[btmgrl6]

I think you're right. I am just happy that I get to be me. As for what the gg's can do that I cannot,all I have to say is.......whatever!

Steph

[linnea]

Check the case of Mary Kay LaTournow (I'm not sure how she spells her name) in the state of Washington. She (a teacher) had sex with one of her student--a sixth grader at the time, I believe--and she got more than a hand-slap. By the way, now after she's done her time, they are married.



I have the Jeopardy answer/question!

What is sleep with their students and not go to jail?

Yup!

Women are seen different when they sleep with a student then a Man teacher. He usually goes to jail and she gets a slap on the wrist.

Gee the one teacher in NY slept with multiple kids and the
Judge scolled the victims for taking advantage of her.

[MistyCD]

[QUOTE=bbarnsworth;791556]1: Women can go to the restroom together.

2: Women can compliment other women on their appearance without being thought a depraved sexist deviant.

3: Women can go into a men's underwear section without drawing attention.

4: Women can purchase whatever clothes they want, regardless of assigned gender, and wear it without raising eyebrows.

5: Women can shave their legs; less socially acceptable for men to do so.

**** you forgot to mention

Women can slip out of and dangle one shoe on their foot while sitting down without drawing a stare !!!


misty

[Tiffany Tuesday]

.. if you cut us do we not bleed?

We can all find something to moan at, some perceived injustice, some grindstone to sharpen the axe of our hurts, failures, insecurities and fears .. the really scary thing is if we let oursleves slip into whinning and grumbling about others rather than improving ourselves and our own situation, it makes it so easy for malicious movements to hone our hate and target it on a minority:

Communism
Nazisim
KKK
The Inquisition

.. sadly the list goes on and on throughout history!

We here are a minority, we of all people should not be mindless sheeple and hate other groups. Men against women .. women against men? The simple truth is we are all human. We are on the edge of a Universe of possiblities, aware of only three of an infinity of dimensions .. compared to what is before us ... we are identical other than for a few tiny bits of hidden pink plumbing. We are a matched pair, two parts of the one thing, we are humanity! We should strive together to find the commonality that binds and not suppturate on the trivia of inconsequential differences.

Until we rid ourselves and those amongst us of blind prejudice, men who dress as, or would be women and vice versa, will never change society and be accepted, and humanity will forever be the laughable squabbling tower of babel primatives .. so uncivilised the two parts still have dress code taboos of dos and dont's, then argue like apes over fleas in the face of Armaggedon.

I'm off for a lie down i am not used to thinking ... i hope i am not drummed out the bimbo club. I like being a bimbo :)

Hugz x

[GACountrygal]

very well put Tiffany.

Nic

[KewTnCurvy GG]

That would weird me out big time.
I think that type of behavior has to do with younger women and women NOT in positions of authority.
Kew

[cocopuff's girl GG]

If someone asked to feel my hair or brush it what ever It would not bother me in the least. Depending on the situation of course. My very best friend in highschool she and I were like sister's and inseperable. She has 3 older sister's and 2 brother's where I just have a older brother. One of her sister's had long, really long like down to her butt beautiful thick hair and when I was over there on the weekends we'd all be in a room together just talking and laughing and I'd often ask her could I brush her hair it was not a lesbian situation at all, never but I enjoyed braiding and making different hair do's and she seemed to enjoy it also. I often sit in front of my SO and ask him to brush my hair. It feels wonderful..I agree it is a double standard about girls and guys. Not fair I know but life is not fair... There are alot of double standards on both sexes. Too many to name :love:

[KewTnCurvy GG]

1: Women can go to the restroom together.

2: Women can compliment other women on their appearance without being thought a depraved sexist deviant.

3: Women can go into a men's underwear section without drawing attention.

4: Women can purchase whatever clothes they want, regardless of assigned gender, and wear it without raising eyebrows.

5: Women can shave their legs; less socially acceptable for men to do so.

Etc..etc..etc...and plenty more where they came from.

There's others going the other direction.

-BB

Oh dear me, are we STILL on this! *rolls eyes*

And women can't rearrange their crotches in public.

Scratch various intimate areas in public.

Not shave their legs.

Spit on sidewalks.

Sit with their legs splayed wide open, especially when wearing a skirt or dress.

Live on a first level dwelling alone, esp. in a city, without worrying about their safety.

Go to a bar alone without either being thought of as loose or fear of being harrassed (especially a mixed gender bar).

Let their hair go all gray without being thought of as old and unattractive.

Shall I go on. There's plenty more where this came from too. Not that I care about any of this I'm just making a point IT IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT FOR EITHER SEX--IT'S JUST DIFFERENT FOR BOTH SEXES!

To think in these terms is narrow minded and I think must inflict a certain amount of self torture on the individual as anyone who sees the world this way and dwells on it must feel very limited.
Kew

[JulieC]

Oh dear me, are we STILL on this! *rolls eyes*

Shall I go on. There's plenty more where this came from too. Not that I care about any of this I'm just making a point IT IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT FOR EITHER SEX--IT'S JUST DIFFERENT FOR BOTH SEXES!

To think in these terms is narrow minded and I think must inflict a certain amount of self torture on the individual as anyone who sees the world this way and dwells on it must feel very limited.
Kew

Excuse me, but I did say that there were others going in the other direction. Inflict torture if you must, but please reconsider inflicting it on me. I never said it was a one way street, in fact I said the opposite.

[KewTnCurvy GG]

Apologies if you took offense but honestly this type of discourse continues to make me evaluate why I'm on this board and not a few others.
Again, no offense, as usual trying to get folks to think. An activity not well valued here.
Kew

[Suzie S.]

I just can't seem to take sides on this one either. Everyone has a valid point here. The expression 'the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence' comes to mind. Sure I spend a lot of time looking over it and wishing 'my yard' looked that good. If I jumped the fence and looked closer, I may find it's not as good as it looked from my side.

Face it, the world in general will never allow the fence to be torn down. But can't we just install a shorter one and be good neighbors? :happy:

[suzy]

Yes! I agree with Country Girl! Not only ca GG's walk holding hands but what about kissing on the cheek and hugging each other??? GG's can get away with a lot more "touching" events in public that would be condemed socially if done by males!:D

[Sally24]

You have to be aware that this is a cultural thing and not a gender thing per se. In many other countries it is socially accepted that males who are friends can touch, hold hands, and even exchange friendly kisses. The american and british cultures are much more straight laced when it comes to male behavior. Luckily, cultural accepted norms do change over time. When I grew up men almost never hugged or cried openly. My generation has changed this as we have matured and sensitive men can hug and cry without any negative feedback from the public generally. I think that other things will change over time, but it is a very gradual process.

Sally

[Samantha Lough]

I agree 100% with Tiffany

[KewTnCurvy GG]

You have to be aware that this is a cultural thing and not a gender thing per se. In many other countries it is socially accepted that males who are friends can touch, hold hands, and even exchange friendly kisses. The american and british cultures are much more straight laced when it comes to male behavior. Luckily, cultural accepted norms do change over time. When I grew up men almost never hugged or cried openly. My generation has changed this as we have matured and sensitive men can hug and cry without any negative feedback from the public generally. I think that other things will change over time, but it is a very gradual process.

Sally

An excellent point Sally! I have thought of this often too.

:)
Kew

[Julie York]

Oh dear me, are we STILL on this! *rolls eyes*

And women can't rearrange their crotches in public.



You have my full permission to rearrange your crotch in public any time you like.


:D

[Lovely Rita]

That's the way it goes. We can't have it all. We have to leave some things for them. They also go to the bathroom together, I guess we have to leave that one alone as well.

Left out but allright with it, especially the bathroom lol