How many of you have old fashioned values, in spite of cding?

[Alice Torn]

I know, that we cders, are an unusual lot, and some, yet, all of us, are a little different, also. Some are more liberal, and progressive. Some are conservative, other than dressing up. Are you rather conservative, and old fashioned, yet, liberal, in cding? Just curious. I consider myself, somewhat old fashioned, as far, as having some Judeo-Christian values, yet, I like to dress up now and then. I don't consider myself, a secular/progressive, yet, am a bit liberal, on cding. I believe in the sacredness of marriage, and family, though, I have always been single. I feel somewhere in between, knowing the frailty of human beings, but, I still do believe in a certain amount of self-control, and self-discipline. I hear that conservative former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, was a crossdresser. I have been impressed, to see, that some cders, have given it up, to keep their marriages, and families together. Some can't give it up, and some can. Humans are very adaptable, under certain pressures, and circumstances! I know, that many Christians, call us perverts, including in my church. If they only knew who is doing it!

[AmandaM]

I'm a right-wing, Xian, gun-nut. :)

[DawnRodgers]

A totally liberal, non-religious realist. Particularly dislike holier than thou people.
Dawn

[trannie T]

I too subscribe to traditional Christian values, such as loving one's enemies, turning the other cheek and helping the poor.

[Joy Carter]

Not a liberal cell in the gorgeous body. I'm a Christian and treat others as I would myself. :D

[Carin's Wife GG]

socialist even (horrors). My wonderful carin is a lot more middle of the road so we balance each other rather well IMO.


Louise.

[Nicole]

I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, politically moderate spiritual person (inspired by all religions but belonging to none formally) who loves life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'm both in the middle and all over the map. :p

[nishababe]

My views are about the same as expressed by the elequent Karen !!

Love ''Nishababe'' :heehee:

[Nyana]

I belive in ME

That the most important thing in life before beliving in anything else!

For the politic, well it too complicated to explain here about our Politic in Canada and particulary in Quebec!

[Tasha Meredith]

Particularly dislike holier than thou people.
Hooray for irony.

I'm exactly like trannie T. And am persecuted by hostile CDs now and then because of it. The misfit among misfits as it were.

[Angie G]

Yes I old fishioned 38 years with my wife and never been with another woman love my family even this one believe in God and work every day, :hugs:
Angie

[Brianna Lovely]

First thing though, JE Hoover, while being a CD, was also the biggest persecuter of Gay people.

As far as my CDing goes, I'm liberal when thinking that I should be able to dress anyway I please.

But, I also realize that most CDers are literaly, conservative, ie-"They want to keep things as they were". Since many CDers wear dresses or skirts and very few GGs do, I'd say we're trying to keep the "old days" alive, thus conservative=against change.

[Darlene Rochelle]

I am VERY liberal,in all areas of my life,used to be a registered republican,until I married,then voted democratic in the '92 election,have voted democratic ever since. I believe in gay rights and marriages as well:2c:

[Fab Karen]

Since many CDers wear dresses or skirts and very few GGs do, I'd say we're trying to keep the "old days" alive, thus conservative=against change.

Nope. Going out in public says we DON'T want to keep the old days alive. Plenty of CD's would like to have a GG partner embrace their femme selves, nothing "old days" about that either. And plenty of dresses are sold to( and worn ) by GG's, they aren't archaic.

[Fab Karen]

The song "fortunate son" says it so well.

[Linda Z]

we are not the first to do this role changing.:2c:
this CDing thing is AGE OLD, people have done this since there started sex roles in society.
so old days values, are for me, are todays values.
just point of view-maybe..

Linda Z

[battybattybats]

I'm into individual freedom but also the states obligation to the disabled, those discriminated against and the poor. I think that facts and science should trump ideology but always moderated with ethics and compassion.

I believe very strongly in civil liberties, human rights and I'm against censorship.

All in all I end up pretty far left according to polls and the opinions of others apparently.

I also think that denying any sane mature adult human being from marrying another regardless of class, race or gender diminishes and damages the institution of marriage.

I believe that any tradition that interferes or limits the ethical freedom of an individual is wrong if it is not purely voluntary.

I have had gay friends, polyamorous friends, socialists and even christians and fascists.

I believe that a secular society/state that does not prohibit individual or public expressions of faith but never endorses any particular faith is the only way to preserve the rights and freedoms of all faiths and philosophies.

I deeply respect the religions of others but belong to none myself and I treat others as I'd like to be treated myself (it's a humanist principle too after all, even Confucious espoused it).

[Teresa Amina]

so old days values........are todays values.


The Conservative position in the 'States is usually one of restoring the pre-FDR establishment. As for me I'm a commiepinkoliberaltranssomethingorother. Too big a word for a label or a bumpersicker :D But as far as personal integrity I would be considered very conservative and live my life in especial accord with the ancient Greek slogan- Moderation in all things. Pretty conservative, there.

[Linda Z]

The Conservative position in the 'States is usually one of restoring the pre-FDR establishment. As for me I'm a commiepinkoliberaltranssomethingorother. Too big a word for a label or a bumpersicker :D But as far as personal integrity I would be considered very conservative and live my life in especial accord with the ancient Greek slogan- Moderation in all things. Pretty conservative, there.

I was brought up by a late victorian grandmother(born 1890) with the values of that era. The valves then were, I think, in a lot of ways were more open and liberal then they are now.

I am definetly pre-FDR. So -am I a conservative? OMG!


Linda Z

[Sally24]

I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, politically moderate spiritual person (inspired by all religions but belonging to none formally) who loves life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'm both in the middle and all over the map. :p
That is pretty much me too! To sum it up in one word I would have to say Honor. I believe a person's word is their most important possession. I have old fashioned personal values, but I believe that everyone has the right to exist and be happy as long as they do no harm to others.

I support legalizing drug use and prostitution, but also am a big supporter of our right to bear arms. I think we should have a limited draft so that every family helps defend this country, not just the lower half of the income scale. And I think lying is the worst thing that you can do on a personal level, it harms the relationship you have with others.

As you can see both traditional and nontraditional values.

[Mitch23]

Christian and regular churchgoer. I do NOT believe that Deuteronomy 22:5 condemns me - i know my god loves me and i've never felt more at peace since I came out.

love

mitch

[Joy Carter]

Christian and regular churchgoer. I do NOT believe that Deuteronomy 22:5 condemns me - i know my god loves me and i've never felt more at peace since I came out.

love

mitch

"Ditto's"

[Alice Torn]

I agree with one of you, that said, they were a misfit among misfits. I feel like that, too, and I don't mean among just cders, in my church, I am one of the very few singles, never married, 53, on the job, I am super tall, among short people, the oddball, in my family, unwanted by my dad, hated, persecuted, by my two older twin brothers, all my life, working poor bachelor all my life. I know what it is, to be attacked by religious people, and atheists. Some of us, have been "square pegs, in round holes" much of life. I try to live by, "do unto others, as you would have them do unto you"., And, "love your neighbor, as you love yourself." But, I , and some of us, have struggled with low self worth, all our lives, and cding, throws another dynamic, into that, so we live in conflict, often times. One of my mottos, is, "to be human, and alive, is to be in conflict". "Live and let live", and "easy does it", are good slogans. One old sage says, " Laugh, you'll soon be dead." I can sure understand, why many people do not go to any church, or religious organization. There is a lot of hypocrisy, and denial, and falsehood, in much, if not most all of it. But, there are some eternal values, and hope, in a something greater than the here and now, though we must live, in this temporary cruel world, and cope, and have a little pleasure, if only in hobbies, pets, cding, other things, with out hurting others. If cding,is actually hurting others, that is a tough issue, eachindividual has to address. in life. Most of us, are alone doing it.

[Karren H]

I am conservativeish and non-religious and never considered crossdressing to be a liberal thing..... Just a unique hobby!!!

Karren

[ErikaLeigh]

I am a Born Again, Spirit filled Christian, but not an off the edge holier then thou person. I see the christians that play the holier than thou role as being judgemental and just like the pharisees in the time of Jesus. I like everyone, no matter where they come from, what religeous background, political background, or race they are from. I believe that this is the way Christ would want it anyway. Like Jesus said, let he without sin cast the first stone, well I know I am not worthy of casting the first stone, just living in grace.

[Melanie R]

I would call myself conservative in fiscal matters but liberal in social matters. On the party front I am an independent. Even though I am from Texas, Bush country, my feeling is he was a great govornor but lousy president.

[Eva Diva]

I'm a social libertarian - if it doesn't hurt me, then it's none of my business if you do it. In principle, I have no problem with executing murderers, but in practice I have great fear of executing an innocent person. I've considered myself a liberal all my life, and I'm proud to salute the flag and sing the national anthem. I think sex between consenting teens should not be a crime, and drug use should be considered a nuisance, not a felony. I don't like women on the battlefield, and I think a wartime draft - with no exceptions - is a good idea.

Quite a jumble there, no? :D

[Kate Simmons]

I'm kind of an enigma. I'm an easy going gal who is intolerant of intolerance. At the same time , I can be a two fisted gal who calls a "spade" a "spade" and won't put up with much BS. I accept everyone for who they are as a person and expect to be treated the same way. I will challange people if I believe they are not being sincere. As far as politics and religion, I'm pretty open ended but not much gets past me and I can smell a phoney a mile away. Sincerity is what counts with me and I respect that, regardless of beliefs and I can get along well and work with most people. Don't cross me though or make me angry, you wouldn't like me if I'm angry.;) :battingeyelashes:

[suchacutie]

I'm just delighted to see that the posts so far have been all over the map. I don't view the process of expressing my feminine side as any way linked to my political, moral, or social choices. How careful I am in expressing my femininity certain is affected by how others choose, but seeing our varied views has reinforced my feelings that we are doing something apart from all that! I'm also fiscally and morally conservative, but liberal in the area of human needs and well-being.

tina

[Nadine]

I am a person who believes in taking my inspiration an guidance in life from Nature. I don't subscribe to any religion. I don't support any political party because I believe that politicians only work for themselves and are the biggest liars on earth. Although I once served in the army, I wouldn't do it again because you are not fighting for your country but for a bunch of no-good politicians! I try not to hurt anyone or any living thing. I believe in being true to myself and not overindulging in anything.

[Alice Torn]

I don't participate in party politics. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this age. Salandra, I don't like getting angry, either, and don't like being around others who are angry out of control. I got told off, by a 70 year old gg friend, the other night. She gets angry, easily. I really am turned off, by a gg, who is REALLY angry bigtime. That is a real turn off, makes me glad I'm single. I don't think there are many of us, who are any fun to be around, when angry. That is where wisdom, and good judgment come in, but, it is hard to make good decisions, when anger takes over.

[SandyR]

You will pry my heels off me......if you get my drift....

Raised in a Baptist home, mom would freak. Very much a "Right Winger".

Big Hugs....

SandyR

[Sheri 4242]

Several areas make up my personal belief and value system -- so I guess in that sense I am much like Salandra: I'm an enigma. I was politically socialized at a very young age -- and having said that, it dawns on me that I realized I was a CD at a very young age, too. Obviously, I don't see this as a conflict, wheres mainstream society would!

I have been a delegate to a Rep National Convention, yet I identify more with "republitarian" beliefs -- a mix of conservatism and libertarianism. As Eva Diva said, "if it doesn't hurt me, then it's none of my business if you do it."

I don't believe that our courts were meant to "legislate from the bench." They can deny it all they want, but they do it all the time -- and more for liberalism than in the other direction. I hold to some liberal beliefs -- even some socialistic beliefs. The state of health care in this country is, for example, so out of control that the only rational answer is to socialize it (sorry doctors, drug companies, and health insurance companies, etc. -- it is time for your obscene profits to get reined in). Socialized medicine IS the only intelligent answer to that problem (and boy would I ever get kicked out of an RNC meeting if my posiion on this was known.)

I guess what liberal beliefs I hold are most evident in my beliefs regarding the TG community.

All in all, I am a nice person, empathetic and tolerant. I don't put up with intolerance or BS, though, and can hold my own in any debate. While I do love the U.S. -- and as one of the girls said, salte the flag, etc., I do NOT feel that the U.S. has the answers to everything that goes on in the world. Yes, we have a responsibility given our power, etc. But, we allow ourselves to be victims of demagogoury so very many times. For example, our so-called "war on drugs" is a joke. All we've done is create a "cottage industry" for law enforcement while not even beginning to stem the tide, so to speak. Isn't it interesting that if I have a bad headache, I need a prescription to get tylenol with codeine in the U.S., but can get it over the counter in Paris, or St. Martin, or Nassau, or on and on, and on. We have situations like this that cut across all party lines, but hey, the modern demagougues are gonna rule.

Yep! Salandra said it best: I'm an enigma through and through!

[Victoria Anne]

I'm an old fshioned God fearing person,honest to a fault,hard working,my wife is first in my life,I could be considered a hard ass when it comes to taking responsabilities for one actions and the penalties that should be levied however when it comes to ones sexual orientation and to CDing its an open mind that I have.

[Cassy11]

I consider myself as conservative, not ultra right ; religeous but not holier that thou. I believe in all things in moderation and try not to judge another person

[kayla_cd_va]

I'm a conservative. I dress because I like the way I look and feel when I'm dressed up. I like sex with men and other cds. I'm not in this to make a political statement. Individual freedom and responsibility is the foundation of conservatism. I don't know how much more you can celebrate individualism than crossdressing. I don't believe I have the right to get married to another man or that anyone else should accept me if they don't want to. To me, that's not what individualism is all about. I'm comfortable enough with myself to understand that I am responsible for what I do and who I do it with. Individualism made and keeps this country great, not diversity. I see crossdressing not as diversity but as individualism.

huggs

Kayla

[Melissa A.]

In SPITE of cding?? What kinda crack is that??!!?

Hee hee!!!

Hugs,

Melissa:happy:

[Randy]

I'm what people used to refer to as "conservative" and so that is the term I use to describe myself. More accurately, I guess I'd call myself a "Constitutionalist". I'm really a "Reagan Conservative" who still believes that government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem.

I believe that the freedoms guaranteed in the Bill of Rights are freedoms that guarantee privacy, and that those freedoms are just that, part of our private lives. When people, even presidents, moralize too much, it makes me sick - just as sick as when they commit adultery in front of all of us.

Tax me less so that I can decide how to spend my own money, and that will let verything else flow naturally.

[celtic.blue.eyes]

That is pretty much me too! To sum it up in one word I would have to say Honor. I believe a person's word is their most important possession. I have old fashioned personal values, but I believe that everyone has the right to exist and be happy as long as they do no harm to others.

I support legalizing drug use and prostitution, but also am a big supporter of our right to bear arms. I think we should have a limited draft so that every family helps defend this country, not just the lower half of the income scale. And I think lying is the worst thing that you can do on a personal level, it harms the relationship you have with others.

As you can see both traditional and nontraditional values.

OMG Sally, I thought I was reading my own words here! So many people don't have a clue about the importance of personal honor, let alone what it's about. Now I wouldn't be surprised if you listen to Michael Graham of Jay Severin!

[5inchHeels]

I'm a conservative. I dress because I like the way I look and feel when I'm dressed up. I like sex with men and other cds. I'm not in this to make a political statement. Individual freedom and responsibility is the foundation of conservatism. I don't know how much more you can celebrate individualism than crossdressing. I don't believe I have the right to get married to another man or that anyone else should accept me if they don't want to. To me, that's not what individualism is all about. I'm comfortable enough with myself to understand that I am responsible for what I do and who I do it with. Individualism made and keeps this country great, not diversity. I see crossdressing not as diversity but as individualism.

huggs

Kayla

Actually diversity has been linked to economic development. For example, you'll notice that the top high-tech cities in the US also have very high gay populations.

It's interesting that you feel it's Ok to have sex with another man and yet still disagree with gay marriage. You're gay, or at least bi-sexual, and don't feel that you and your partner should have the same economic privileges of a same sex couple? That doesn't make sense to me.

[Sheri 4242]

I'm just delighted to see that the posts so far have been all over the map. I don't view the process of expressing my feminine side as any way linked to my political, moral, or social choices. tina

Well said, Tina!!!

Tina has, IMHO, brought this topic full circle. We've had answers where we've put ourselves all over the place on the political spectrum -- libertarian to socialistic, and everywhere inbetween. Yet, our political (and sometimes religious) beliefs notwithstanding, we, for the most part, share a common bond regarding gender issues and expressions, etc. This IS nice to see!!!

[vbcdgrl]

Well, Lucille, I am a Christian and a political conservative. Just because I CD, doesn't mean I have to abandon my beliefs. I admit I am a hypocrite, 'cause some of the things I've done , both as a guy and CD, violate Christian and/or conservative values. But, I don't go along with the overall liberal agenda, including gay marriage and environmental whacko-ism. I don't want to get on a political rant, just to say I agree with you for the most part.

Vikki

[JamieTV]

I think that I consider myself a liberal, agnostic individual. I try to live a good life treating everyone like I wish to be treated and looking for the bright side of life.

[StephanieH]

Hardcore conservative here, just a little to the right of Benito Mussolini. Actually, I'm a Constitution Party member because I became disgusted with how wimpy the Republicans had become.

However, I believe that whatever consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their own home is their business. Less government is better government. :2c:

[susie evans]

some what conservitave religous and value others and there belifes and am patient with other life choices:hugs:

susie

[Tina B.]

Old Hippie, i guess that makes me a liberal.
Tina B.

[soccervixen]

pretty conservative in "moral" matters (Christian, anti-abortion), a real mix in politics (lean Republican, but they sure can infuriate me!), probably not easily categorized. Having lived overseas for 10 years, I have gained a broad, global worldview which most politican conservatives just don't get.

[kayla_cd_va]

Actually diversity has been linked to economic development. For example, you'll notice that the top high-tech cities in the US also have very high gay populations.

It's interesting that you feel it's Ok to have sex with another man and yet still disagree with gay marriage. You're gay, or at least bi-sexual, and don't feel that you and your partner should have the same economic privileges of a same sex couple? That doesn't make sense to me.


I think this forum is great because we can express different points of view. One thing that I dislike is when people who have something in common like crossdressing are expected to see the world the same way.

I enjoy sex when dressed as a woman. Because that's the way I enjoy sex doesn't mean I have to identify with a particular group or have to believe the way most in that group do. I believe that marriage is not something done for economic benefit. I believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. I enjoy sex with men but I understand that is not the norm. I don't have to change the world. I just want to have sex the way I like.

No one that I work with knows of my sexual desires. It's not their busienss and their sexual desire is not my business. I don't want to know if someone that I work with is gay. It doesn't matter. I don't understand people who demand to be identified and defined by the way they like sex. It doesn't matter if it's men with women, men with men, threesomes or whatever, it's not what should define us and it shouldn't be advertised.

I understand that I hold a minority view among the people who enjoy crossdressing and that's ok. I respect everyones right to see the world the way they choose. For me sex is something very personal and is enjoyed in private. That's why I value groups like this where I can talk with and meet others who enjoy the feel of stockings as much as I do.

kisses and huggs

Kayla

[JacquiUKTV]

Hardcore conservative here, just a little to the right of Benito Mussolini. However, I believe that whatever consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their own home is their business. Less government is better government. :2c:

Not quite like me then, two feet to the right of Genghis Khan? :devil:
Agree 100% with your sentiment Randi as regards within one's own home. It bothers me a little that some are so avid about "going-out". For those who can easily pass in public, fine.
But those who like myself can't manage that...is it right to inflict ourselves on the non-TG folks who, let's face it, comprise the majority?
Don't mean to be a spoil-sport so-to-speak, but surely if we petition for "rights" we have to be aware of "responsibilties" too?
At the risk of seeming ingenuous....
A regular guy out shoppng with the wife and children sees an obvious 6'6" TV parading around....the kids ask "Daddy, why is that funny man wearing a dress?" What's the guy supposed to say?
Perhaps I'm too "closet-minded"; I'm sure this point has been made many times before, but there seem to be some who don't accept it, and surely the risk of "backlash" exists?

On the point of "less government is better government"...you a fan (like myself) of Thomas Paine Randi?
I believe "less gov." is only possible when people behave responsibly of their own volition, thereby obviating the need for control from above.
This is something of a moot point here in the UK right now as our seemingly inexorable slide toward a "United States of Europe" brings about more and more regulation...we are already the most "spied-upon" nation in the world; it really doesn't need to go any further in that direction ! But I expect it will :eek: