Why not ?

[Marla S]

Because there are some Why threads running right now, I thought I add anotherone :D(I am bored BTW ... well kind of ... there are things that need to be done ... but ... well, you know ...).

Also inspired by CaptLex, who asked in another thread why they don't research the cisgendered folks.

So here is the question.

Why is the "normal" folks not like us ?
Why do especially men restrict themselves to a very narrow accepted way of expression (Women are allowed and allow themselves a bit more freedom there. )
Isn't that completely weird ?

Sounds funny ?

It is meant seriously.

So why they are different ?

[Dixie]

Because being like us takes more courage then they can muster!:D

[Kate Simmons]

I dunno Marla, that always puzzled me as well. Even when I dress in a suit and tie, I try to look somewhat classy. I was always mixing things to make colorful combinations, suit, ties, shirts, blazers, shoes, etc. Not too flashy, mind you but enough to express being myself. Small wonder, then, I choose pretty good femme combinations. Heck, even with t-shirts and polo shirts I try to be a little distinctive and have my own style--go figure!:heehee:

[Di]

Whats Not to Like:happy:


I think for many it is a foreign concept for them, and they automatically reject it.People with closed minds usually reject what they do not understand.

[Tree GG]

The individual male personally believes he is to be/present in a particular way. Where he absorbed those beliefs, he probably don't even know; but they serve him (usually) so he conforms.

Raising boys to be less agressive, more domestically responsible, and to like/respect women instead of treating them 2nd class would probably go a long way in correcting the "macho guy" acceptability. For many, many years now, little girls are taught they can do anything they want. Sure there are varying degrees of that, but most people I know rarely say the words "...girls don't ______...". But even my CD husband has been heard to say the words, "...boys don't cry..." to male children of friends. Explain that one! +?

But that's just the social aspect. From discussions with my husband, there is a physical/emotional component of TGness that is very real. I don't think anyone would argue that sexual or other yearnings are very real - physiological changes occur in the body making the desire real - not just a whim. In his words, only dressing makes it stop.

The non-TG population - the ones I'm assuming you're calling normal - don't have that yearning. Can't say why we don't, we just don't. :hugs:

[Marla S]

Raising boys to be less agressive, more domestically responsible, and to like/respect women instead of treating them 2nd class would probably go a long way in correcting the "macho guy" acceptability.
Interstingly this seems not to work in an forced way. As far as I know, at least here in Germany, they tried a coeducation of girls and boys in the kindergarden for a while with intention to blur sterotypical boys and girls behavior, assuming this is predominatly determind by education. They failed, the groups showed a stronger tendency to segregate gender wise and the individuals showed more stereotypical behavior like groups educated in more traditional way.
This led to the discussion about the other extrem; introducing separate girls and boys classes at schools again.

This tells me, there are gender specific tendencies in general, and it can be counterproductive and lead to more extreme behavior forcing someone into a role the individual is not intended to play.

But that also means that it is counterproductive and will lead to more extreme behavior if you try to force someone that doesn't fit into the general gender specific tendencies, for whatever reasons, just into these stereotypes.


For many, many years now, little girls are taught they can do anything they want. Sure there are varying degrees of that, but most people I know rarely say the words "...girls don't ______...". But even my CD husband has been heard to say the words, "...boys don't cry..." to male children of friends. Explain that one! +?
First and foremost, I am convinced women are still seen as second class people and are treated like that. That is patriarchy. (Matriarchy wouldn't be any better in this respect, just the other way round). That's probably also the reason that a man in a skirt is rather seen as ridiculous, whereas a woman not wearing skirts is rather seen ... well ... who cares ... if she likes it ... I don't have to.
Of course the week, little, cuties from the second class have more freedom, because they are not really taken seriously.
As long as it is this way you will more often hear "boys don't _____" than "girls don't _____", but more often "girls have to ________" than "boys have to ______".
The higher you are in a hierarchy the more restricted you are usually. ( I wouldn't want to be i. e. the Japanese Tenno; he is even divine.) The lower classes have to ___, to maintain that hierarchy and system.


But that's just the social aspect. From discussions with my husband, there is a physical/emotional component of TGness that is very real.
Partly I would assign that to what I've written in the first paragraph. Of course it is emmotional if you find a way to escape from stereotypes you don't really fit in, even if that means to use other stereotypes.


I don't think anyone would argue that sexual or other yearnings are very real - physiological changes occur in the body making the desire real - not just a whim.

IMO male sexuality has heavy impact on the How of CDing, but is neither cause nor goal.


In his words, only dressing makes it stop.
CDing is an aid to escape from a role the individual was not intended to play but was forced to. The corset is the corset for the personality and not the target of desire, IMO.

[Tree GG]

Perhaps it's a characteristic of CD or TG maturity. At this point I believe (and of course I could be wrong) his dressing is the goal. The "corset" is the ends as well as the means. Or maybe it's evidence of an individual's position in the TG continuum.

I don't think you achieve gender-blurring forcefully, and perhaps the schools were trying to take away some instinctual tendencies. Just by us being creatures of nature, there are certain female/male roles that cannot be "trained" out. Only social roles, not natural/instinctual roles could be changed.

Nuturing for example - some men can some women can't, but it's socially stereotyped w/ women. If either gender child was encouraged to nuture if they so desired w/o thought to whether they're "supposed" to. That's not forced - that's freedom to choose.

:happy::hugs:

[Marla S]

That's not forced - that's freedom to choose.

:happy::hugs:
That has to be the goal.

We are not there yet, neither for men nor for women.

:hugs:

[aka.laura]

To try an answer to your first question: "Why is the "normal" folks not like us ? "

What is normal? Anything out of the ordinary (normality) is potentially dangerous and therefore threatening, at least that's normal. I think that we (cd'ers) a quite abnormal. (Would you really call a CD'er "normal"?). But I think one shouldn't generalize. Lots of people, even men, are very tolerant when it comes to accepting "abnormal" behaviour. I even think there are a lot of guys out there that are effing jealous that WE have the courage to do as we like. OK, you'll find ***holes everywhere. But what's the use of provoking people? When you know that you can't go shopping as-you-like in your little village and that the grocer won't serve you: what the heck? Go someplace where people don't know you. Most of them don't even care.
Perhaps I'm a tick incoherent, I just had an important meeting and when I think of it, things wouldn't have gone so well when I had looked the way I look now ;o))) love you

[prettywithsideburns]

why not indeed!

[aka.laura]

take it from a health-care pro hon: there are much more weirdos walking around free than you'll find locked up....OMG imagine, being locked up with some cd-sisters...gosh g:devil:

[chucks]

most aren't willing to be honest with themselves. about what they are feeling or who they can be. everyone gets told who they are expected to be, and that gets reinforced (school, work, etc). of course it's all nonsense. but it can be scary to throw all that away because then maybe you wouldn't know who you are.

most people don't go there.

[Chantelle CD]

Why is the "normal" folks not like us ?
Why do especially men restrict themselves to a very narrow accepted way of expression (Women are allowed and allow themselves a bit more freedom there. )
Isn't that completely weird ?

Why is the "normal" folks not like us?

Because "normal" males are supposed to be macho, manly, strong, tough to there feelings, rugged, cool, and collected. We dont buy into this, and find it limiting to only being 1/2 of what we can be, sensual, expressive, compassionate, caring, soft, and emotional, are traits I'm glad i have for not buying into this.

Why do especially men restrict themselves to a very narrow accepted way of expression (Women are allowed and allow themselves a bit more freedom there. )

Because "normal" men believe this is how we are supposed to be, so they train there children to become this, by belittling any sign of there male child's softer side while they are young, the more this happens, the the greater number of normal males are born. They stomp it out of us. Females are to be pretty and soft, and the same has happened to them as well, conditioning for what is 1 sided "normal"!! It is not widely known that we are both male and female!! It is human behavior, to act out of hurts and pains, that has befallen on us, and we become "normal". Freedom comes to those that understand this, and realize, that no, I'm acting out because of my past here, this is not me!!! Because the female aspect, is soft, and caring, while the male is hard and rugged, the male side becomes the last to evolve, Woman have come a long way, in this fight, with there rights to ware pants rather than only dresses and skirts, they now were jeans slacks and Teeshirts!! Way to go ladies!!! The more people realize this, the fewer "normal" men will become, and we too will be able to express as we so chose.

Why is the "normal" folks not like us?

We understand the above, we dont " LIMIT" our existence, would rather become whole, than only 1/2 of what i can be, or am. Now that i have thrown out, or still really really accepting this inside of myself, and SEE what the so called "normal" is my energy has skyrocketed, in both male and female sides, my male self feels so much more alive and grounded, I'm happier, more connected to everything and everyone, the trick is to not judge those that are acting out, of any pain, but see them for being what they are, and not buying into illusion that is made from pain!!! Men will become all they can be in time, the cost of being the hard, macho side of the coin means we are the last to evolve!

I'm enjoying this thread Marla!!! thank you for it <hugs>

[Rita B]

Because lovely Marla, most men are " BORING"


Rita B

[trannie T]

Why do "Normal People" not like crossdressers?

I didn't know we were disliked.
The basis for most prejudice is that people are different in looks, actions or beliefs. We look and act differently from most people thereby giving them ample reason to have a negative attitude.

[Joy Carter]

Why do "Normal People" not like cross dressers?

I didn't know we were disliked.
The basis for most prejudice is that people are different in looks, actions or beliefs. We look and act differently from most people thereby giving them ample reason to have a negative attitude.

You can find a prejudice in any one. Even in our ranks it's pretty evident.

[Fab Karen]

We should walk around in T-shirt's that say: WHY NOT?

[aka.laura]

Good idea Karen, and let's make that a TG-shirt:D

[Marla S]

What is normal? Anything out of the ordinary (normality) is potentially dangerous and therefore threatening, at least that's normal. I think that we (cd'ers) a quite abnormal. (Would you really call a CD'er "normal"?).
Certainly not. A CD is not normal. But meanwhile I think it is not desirable to become normal. Transgenderism might describe a certain way of self-expression, but the real disorder probably is normalism.
Indeed we seem to suffer more from the compulsion to become or be normal than from TG itself.


But I think one shouldn't generalize. Lots of people, even men, are very tolerant when it comes to accepting "abnormal" behaviour.
I even think there are a lot of guys out there that are effing jealous that WE have the courage to do as we like. OK, you'll find ***holes everywhere.
It's true that most individuals don't care, at least they don't tell you that they do. Nevertheless when it comes to the general mood it's different. A tiny sign of feminity on men is always worth a joke, an abashed laughter, or a disrespectful comment ... just watch TV. That creates a mood which probably is the justification for some ***holes to freak out.


But what's the use of provoking people? When you know that you can't go shopping as-you-like in your little village and that the grocer won't serve you: what the heck? Go someplace where people don't know you. Most of them don't even care.
Perhaps I am bit incosnistant here. I think most of us want to have a normal life, and it is a bit degrading when you have to search for places nobody knows you. Normal isn't the right term here ... probably an unoffended life fits better.


most aren't willing to be honest with themselves. about what they are feeling or who they can be. everyone gets told who they are expected to be, and that gets reinforced (school, work, etc). of course it's all nonsense. but it can be scary to throw all that away because then maybe you wouldn't know who you are.

most people don't go there.
Well, meanwhile I think it probably works the other way round. You have to throw all that away ... in a way ... to know who you are. You have to deconstruct the expectations from the outside to construct your self from the inside. The tricky part is that is it not always easy to distinguish between the forces from the outside and forces from the inside, because they are interrelated.



Because "normal" men believe this is how we are supposed to be, so they train there children to become this, by belittling any sign of there male child's softer side while they are young, the more this happens, the the greater number of normal males are born. They stomp it out of us. Females are to be pretty and soft, and the same has happened to them as well, conditioning for what is 1 sided "normal"!!
Yes, and they do it efficiently. Even tody I am trapped in some aspects .... if I only could, if it only would break through .... but it doesn't yet, because they stomped it out with the roots. ... Hopefully I will find some new seeds.


It is not widely known that we are both male and female!!
Oh, I think it is widely known. I hear the phrase "Everybody has a male and a female side" quite often (outside TG community) ... but please ... showing it ... Don't you dare! ... We can't accept that ... at least not without joking about it.


The more people realize this, the fewer "normal" men will become, and we too will be able to express as we so chose.
Right. There will be always manly men, but feminine men (or masculine women) shouldn't be worth less. But probably feminity has to become a desirable trait first and not something to joke about.


We understand the above, we dont " LIMIT" our existence, would rather become whole, than only 1/2 of what i can be, or am. Now that i have thrown out, or still really really accepting this inside of myself, and SEE what the so called "normal" is my energy has skyrocketed, in both male and female sides, my male self feels so much more alive and grounded, I'm happier, more connected to everything and everyone, the trick is to not judge those that are acting out, of any pain, but see them for being what they are, and not buying into illusion that is made from pain!!! Men will become all they can be in time, the cost of being the hard, macho side of the coin means we are the last to evolve!
So true.


I'm enjoying this thread Marla!!! thank you for it <hugs>
:blushing: You're welcome :hugs:

Because lovely Marla, most men are " BORING"

Soooo true, soo true.


Why do "Normal People" not like crossdressers?

I didn't know we were disliked.
The basis for most prejudice is that people are different in looks, actions or beliefs. We look and act differently from most people thereby giving them ample reason to have a negative attitude.
Yup. Another Hesse quote comes to mind.

“You are only afraid if you are not in harmony with yourself. People are afraid because they have never owned up to themselves.”


You can find a prejudice in any one. Even in our ranks it's pretty evident.
That is sad but very true ... I am guilty myself. Probably it doens't work without prejudices.
But we should get rid of those that are disrespecting and intended to higher oneself by lowering others.


We should walk around in T-shirt's that say: WHY NOT?


Good idea Karen, and let's make that a TG-shirt:D
Actually this is the best idea I've heard concerning a TG sign or symbol.
It bears self-confidence, doesn't allow an easy escape in prejudices, is open, forces to think, and lacks the odor of coterie.

[Kate Simmons]

Hi Marla, I celebrate the fact that we are not "normal" myself, in fact it's dowright refreshing to me. Then again, I'm always thinking outside the "box" no matter what. To me it's satisfying that a man can look beyond the supposed "manliness" and see what he is as a human being. All things considered, I always try to work along with people in that respect rather than against them. In my opinion, it takes a real man to admit he has another, somewhat "softer" side.
It's also nice to hear the viewpoints of the GG's here when it comes to CDing and how their SO's express that. I've gotten a real education to say the least since being a member here. I've seen how the feelings of others come into play and it's not always just about "us". We have to be willing to put that into perspective, however, and work with them on that. It's all about being people really and acceptance of diversity. I feel we have a very good head start on that in any case.:happy:

[Marla S]

Hi Marla, I celebrate the fact that we are not "normal" myself, in fact it's dowright refreshing to me. Then again, I'm always thinking outside the "box" no matter what. To me it's satisfying that a man can look beyond the supposed "manliness" and see what he is as a human being. All things considered, I always try to work along with people in that respect rather than against them. In my opinion, it takes a real man to admit he has another, somewhat "softer" side.
Thinking outside the box ... I know that, Salandra :D
It takes a real man ... yes, definitvely.
It's funny, though ... sometimes when I struggle with my androgynous look and try to "copy" someone a thought crosses my mind.
"Heck, be woman enough to stay on the male side of life."



It's also nice to hear the viewpoints of the GG's here when it comes to CDing and how their SO's express that. I've gotten a real education to say the least since being a member here. I've seen how the feelings of others come into play and it's not always just about "us". We have to be willing to put that into perspective, however, and work with them on that. It's all about being people really and acceptance of diversity. I feel we have a very good head start on that in any case.:happy:
So very true :happy:

[Mitch23]

We're sensitive, caring, intelligent and unconventional .... and they're not

Mitch

[Satrana]

This tells me, there are gender specific tendencies in general, and it can be counterproductive and lead to more extreme behavior forcing someone into a role the individual is not intended to play.


Quite true. When feminism was liberalizing women, they were not forced to be more masculine rather they were told they had the option to be whatever they wanted to be and that there would be no more gender barriers to stop them. Indeed women who then proceeded to follow their natural instincts and choose traditional masculine careers and interests were heralded as heroes, received lots of public attention which then encouraged others to follow in their footsteps. Over time women found they had a choice to pick the best bits from the male gender role and ignore the bad bits.

The big issue to be tackled is that society, men and women alike, do not value effeminate men. We are useless to society, seen as irrelevant, seen as sexual deviants, are unattractive to women. Men who follow traditional feminine careers or interests are not heroes and receive no public attention except to be laughed at. How many mothers and fathers would encourage their boys to grow up and become a nurse or social worker?

You should never force gender roles on either boys or girls. Rather we should learn from the feminist movement and encourage parents and schools to accept and encourage those boys who want to play with Barbie, who want to play at housework, who want to dress in pretty clothes. Only when femininity in boys is no longer considered an undesirable trait to be immediately stamped out will we get some gender balance in this world. More so, the crime of boys running into their private closets which prevents their healthy development into a fully rounded adults can at last be prevented.

[Chantelle CD]

Quite true. When feminism was liberalizing women, they were not forced to be more masculine rather they were told they had the option to be whatever they wanted to be and that there would be no more gender barriers to stop them. Indeed women who then proceeded to follow their natural instincts and choose traditional masculine careers and interests were heralded as heroes, received lots of public attention which then encouraged others to follow in their footsteps. Over time women found they had a choice to pick the best bits from the male gender role and ignore the bad bits.

The big issue to be tackled is that society, men and women alike, do not value effeminate men. We are useless to society, seen as irrelevant, seen as sexual deviants, are unattractive to women. Men who follow traditional feminine careers or interests are not heroes and receive no public attention except to be laughed at. How many mothers and fathers would encourage their boys to grow up and become a nurse or social worker?

You should never force gender roles on either boys or girls. Rather we should learn from the feminist movement and encourage parents and schools to accept and encourage those boys who want to play with Barbie, who want to play at housework, who want to dress in pretty clothes. Only when femininity in boys is no longer considered an undesirable trait to be immediately stamped out will we get some gender balance in this world. More so, the crime of boys running into their private closets which prevents their healthy development into a fully rounded adults can at last be prevented.


nicely stated!!!

For me. i have always had a spiritual belief, so having a male and a female side goes deeper than just being able to just feel the emotions of the sexes, it is in all our beings, in our energy body's, has anyone heard the term chakra system? http://www.sacredcenters.com/chakras.html there are 7 energy centers in the human energy body, 3 are female and 3 are male so to speak, and the heart charaka is the center of the 7, so to be balanced is to be fully aware of all the energy's, CD's have a leg up on "normal" males in the fact that they are more open in the top half of the energy system, there are way more female physics than males because... they are more able to be balanced in there male sides than men are to there female sides, The key in it all is to love both of your sides equally, to bring all of your energy's to your heart, the middle. our battels with this stomping out has to end, the best way to Battle it inside, is to realize where it started from, and the way to heal it is to forgive the source!! cause if you know how you have acted out from your hurts of being stomped all your life, you now see that the one that did the stomping is just acting out from there own as well, if they were not acting out, they would be showing you the love you needed, because that is what is in there hearts minus there pains. "Forgive them father for they know not what the do" Very powerful words spoken by a fellow human being.

Anyways, males expressing there female sides will happen, maybe not over our life time totally, but it is a part of evolution, the woman have started it, with there rights, once we start it with ours, the world will change, and male ignorance will end. This macho stomping of the female in the men, is fear based, that men have to be men, it simply is not the case, it is only 1/2 of what we can be, the energy's that are closest to the cosmos is female, male energy's are earthly and grounded energy's. Trust me when i say this, we as CD's have a leg up on most men, the fact that we can tune in to energy's that are forbidden to us for so long!!! and at the extent we can!!! damn that makes for powerful energy!! but we have to be balanced as well, raise our male sides to feel as increadable as our female sides. I for one am going to really focus on achieving this, cause my female side is strong, and my male side is weak.

I could go on forever on this so ill stop it here.

[Colleen Merryweather]

Quite some time ago, I started a thread and posted my original thinking about why some people find cross dressing so offensive. Actually , the thread was about why I personally as a GG/admirer find cross dressing so erotic.

I've been busy and inactive on here for a while, but reading the above I did not see my idea mentioned so I will paste it in here:

I think crossdressing is a symbolic representation of the act of sexual intercourse iteself.

I am guessing that there is some kind of subliminal message when a man is in women's clothes it reminds my deep subconscious of a male being encased in the female or the male member being inside the female body during the act of human reproduction.

So maybe this is why people who are freaked out by MtF cross dressing have such a strong reaction - it looks like the walking talking sex act to their subconscious mind.

Of course there are also the many factors mentioned by the many posters above, like society's push for conformance, the drive for fathers to make their boys be men and so on. I just wanted to the add the one I haven't seen yet.

[OC-crossdresser]

i just got ONE quote

"Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short, wear shirts and boots, because it's OK to be a boy, but for a boy to look like a girl is degrading, because you think that being a girl is degrading. But secretly you'd love to know what it's like, wouldn't you? What it feels like for a girl?" - The Cement Garden (1993)

[Marla S]

Very good post, Satrana !!!
I agree wholeheartedly


The big issue to be tackled is that society, men and women alike, do not value effeminate men. We are useless to society, seen as irrelevant, seen as sexual deviants, are unattractive to women. Men who follow traditional feminine careers or interests are not heroes and receive no public attention except to be laughed at. How many mothers and fathers would encourage their boys to grow up and become a nurse or social worker?
This is the very reason that convinces me that feminity is seen of minor value in general by men AND women and not only concerning men.
One doesn't have to like effeminate men (look or job wise), no problem there. If one likes masculine men .. fine.. be it.
But what I don't get is the disrespect by women. I always have the feeling they direspect and laugh about themselves.
Men never have been very respecting to women anyway, so here it is no suprise.
One could say: Is it any wonder. Women have been told through ages that they are worth less. They are trapped in this respect like men in their role.

(I know it is a generalization, but I am talking about the mood within the society and not about individuals).


I think crossdressing is a symbolic representation of the act of sexual intercourse itself.

I am guessing that there is some kind of subliminal message when a man is in women's clothes it reminds my deep subconscious of a male being encased in the female or the male member being inside the female body during the act of human reproduction.

So maybe this is why people who are freaked out by MtF cross dressing have such a strong reaction - it looks like the walking talking sex act to their subconscious mind.

There could be some truth in it.

For me Cding becomes more and more non-sexual.
But indeed I see amalgamation of CDing and sexuality one of the biggest burdens and hurdles for oneself and the society.

Yes and Cding has something spiritual to it. But the spirituality is not based on merging two antipols for me, but on coming closer to the own personality .. uncover hidden aspects and getting rid of some that were forced on me, but not welding two selfs together.

[Kate Simmons]

That makes sense Marla. I used to think it was an amalgamation or blending of both aspects in a spiritual way. Now, I'm seeing more and more, it's not so much a blending as a "lifting up" and an improvment of ourselves as both a person and a human being by highlighting aspects that make us better and discarding aspects that tend to pull us down. Those of us who see this make a conscious effort to change and it's a choice we make to follow through.:happy:

[kerrianna]

Why is the "normal" folks not like us ?
Why do especially men restrict themselves to a very narrow accepted way of expression (Women are allowed and allow themselves a bit more freedom there. )
Isn't that completely weird ?

Sounds funny ?

It is meant seriously.

So why they are different ?

I think this is more about men than women. We are the ones who get more say (in most cultures) so this is OUR problem. The women are just going along with what we present (for the most part - there are some biological things that both sexes naturally claim as their own)

The new way lies in men allowing each other the safety to be who they really are. Our women friends and partners will go along wtih what we can and will do. I think most of them would welcome it. :happy:

[Chantelle CD]

Yes and Cding has something spiritual to it. But the spirituality is not based on merging two antipols for me, but on coming closer to the own personality .. uncover hidden aspects and getting rid of some that were forced on me, but not welding two selfs together.

I was not wanting to say that it is about welding two selfs together, rather that we express ourselves threw these charaka centers, each one has an emotion, a colour, a resonance, for an example, the throat charaka is on the female side of the seven, and its also true that woman are the best communicators, Men tend to be great and making manifest in the world, that is grounded root charaka at its best, and woman fighting for there rights, and opening up there male energy's, are proving that it is not only limited to males, that they as well can DO the same, and it is because they are opening up there centers more and more, becoming more balanced. We are simply doing the same as woman are, only ftm expression is accepted and mtf is not, yet!! The world can not hold off men wanting to open up and become complete, and i dont by any means mean to say that you have to be a CD to open up the other energy's to do this, but i do think it helps a lot. what you ware does affect how you feel, and emotions are connected to the energy centers directly. These centers have been known about and date back a long ways, even found in old cave paintings depicting them. When you express threw your heart, one holds there hand over there heart center, woman do this a lot, men dont cause they stop themselves because it looks femme. When something triggers your emotions strongly, you feel a tingle sensation rush down your body, starting at the head and rushing down or at the shoulders, depending what emotion is triggered and what energy center it came from, and our aura blows, and intensifies, because we had just felt and expressed emotion strongly, and opened ourselves up. also these centers give energy to organs in the body, and feed them to stay healthy, another IE of this... is i was always shy and introverted, because i was belittled as a child in so many ways, i could not communicate at all, my mom forced me to talk, she seen this happening in me, this is throat chakra, and thyroid gland is feed by this chakra, my thyroid gland just stoped producing thyroid completely, and have to take a pill every day now. it also didn't help that i hated myself at that time for my femme ways, throat charaka is female energy's. When one gets a tingle feeling go threw them, and it is not a cold shiver, you are warm, this is your energy rushing threw your aura :) Again i can go on forever about this but wont, just wanted to say that i didn't mean to make it sound as if i was merging to selfs together, but opening up what is the human energy body, to balance and become whole. also wanted to add that movement is very energizing, femme movements raises our energys in ways that normal males lac and is why TAI CHI is very popular

[Joanne f]

I am normal it is the rest that are not :D

[Satrana]

This is the very reason that convinces me that feminity is seen of minor value in general by men AND women and not only concerning men.
One doesn't have to like effeminate men (look or job wise), no problem there. If one likes masculine men .. fine.. be it.
But what I don't get is the disrespect by women. I always have the feeling they direspect and laugh about themselves.
Men never have been very respecting to women anyway, so here it is no suprise.
One could say: Is it any wonder. Women have been told through ages that they are worth less. They are trapped in this respect like men in their role.

(I know it is a generalization, but I am talking about the mood within the society and not about individuals).


Absolutely. Men have been the makers, shakers and movers in our society. The entire history of human society has been about men inventing, discovering, building, destroying, controlling pretty much everything. Women have been bystanders in this process. Of course it is women taking on the role of wife, home-maker and mother that freed men to specialize and achieve these things but history only records the heroes not the support staff.

This means women's contribution to society remains hidden, unrecognized and thus undervalued. The only obvious weapon in a woman's arsenal is her feminine sensuality/sexuality which was used to leverage power and wealth from men. But this power has been labeled as dangerous and evil and society has long sought to minimize its usage. The end result is the perception that only masculinity has value to society, femininity should be kept safe at home, indeed it is a threat if not properly controlled.

The feminist movement has been somewhat successful in reversing this perception. Women's greater focus on communication, emotional exploration and empathy are seen as superior to men's attributes. Men in general have been demonized as the less moral gender and the source of society's problems. However this perception can only go so far when up against the entire history of human society.

When a man displays femininity, it is like he has just cut off one of his arms. His usefulness to society has been greatly diminished. Further his feminine sensuality is automatically linked to its historical role as a subversive tool of leverage and manipulation. His femininity is bestowed with evil intent.

Until society stops thinking of women as the weaker sex, until femininity is cleaned of its tainted image, and until feminine values are seen as equally important as male values, crossdressing men will always be dismissed and characterized as a group unworthy of respect and consideration.