What Is Your Definition Of ****ty? Regarding Fashion

[Lovely Rita]

After reading Toyah's intersting thread on looking sexy, I was prompted to post this thread. I am very curious about the various definitions of what would be deemed ****ty.

I have my own view on it, but inorder not to taint your idea, I will reserve my view until the Jury comes in with a verdict.

I think it can be fun to sample all the various views on the subject. There are no wrong answers here just good ole opinions.

Thanks for playing along.:D

[Mona]

I think of ****ty as having the appearance of willingness to have sex with almost anyone. Note it is the appearance, I think many ****ty looking girls like the look but don't really intend to follow through.

[Toyah]

I have no idea, crosdressing has so many looks.
There are some who cannot accept even mildly erotic pics to be honest I think as long as there is some clothing and the pic is fem its OK for me

[Ibuki_Warpetal]

****ty to me is any look that is high maintenance, but maintained cheaply if at all. Anything that screams cheap sex basically. No article of clothing in particular by itself will do that for me but it is more the arrangement, condition, and presentation of the whole outfit.
I think you can look ****ty without dressing as what is traditionally considered ****ty ie high heels, short skirts, cleavage. Just the same I think you can wear these things in concert without looking ****ty.
It's all about presentation and upkeep.

[Sherlyn]

****ty is a visual suggestion to each individual ...you could be leaning on a lampost in your Sunday Best ...and be seen as ****ty by someone

[LilSissyStevie]

Hopefully, it's what I'll look like later on tonight. :devil: The wife will have to punish me for being such a trashy girl:love:

[Julogden]

My opinion, ****ty refers more properly to behavior or personality than it does to appearance. A **** can look quite "proper", but looks can lie.:2c:

To me, a **** is someone who uses sex indiscriminately to get what they want, debasing themself in the process. Guys can be ****s too. Being a **** also implies a lack of self-respect, IMO.

When ****ty is used as an adjective to describe appearance, I feel it refers to that lack of self-respect.

Carol

[Roxi Loh]

I used to like to look ****ty a lot. I still do but not as much. I guess I define it as cheap. That is not to say I don't like the look, I still do. At my age I dont dress that way anymore. I can still enjoy it though.

[Billijo49504]

I guess I'd call ****ty, as if your undies were showing, and you were willing to take them off. Or your bra, or the lack of one, for us gurls with real boobs...BJ

[Delila]

I see ****ty different for CDers than for GGs. Every CDer I have ever met dresses what I would see as ****ty for a GG. My opinion of ****ty is short short skirts and very low cut tops that show just everything but nipple.

[Sheri 4242]

I think of ****ty as having the appearance of willingness to have sex with almost anyone. Note it is the appearance, I think many ****ty looking girls like the look but don't really intend to follow through.

I agree!


****ty is a visual suggestion to each individual ...you could be leaning on a lampost in your Sunday Best ...and be seen as ****ty by someone

I agree!


I see ****ty different for CDers than for GGs. Every CDer I have ever met dresses what I would see as ****ty for a GG. My opinion of ****ty is short short skirts and very low cut tops that show just everything but nipple.

Agree in part.

THE JURY IS IN!!! :tongueout

Seriously, I used describe my style of dress as "elegantly ****ty." As far as attire goes, to me "****ty" is more appearance than action -- many dress that way but would never follow through!

In the main, when I put on a skirt so short that I can't sit down without showing my panties, that's ****ty. :D

[sandra-leigh]

Every CDer I have ever met dresses what I would see as ****ty for a GG. My opinion of ****ty is short short skirts and very low cut tops that show just everything but nipple.

Don't be silly. I couldn't possibly dress like that! With my proportions, it's near impossible to find a top that plunges that low! (I've looked, and I've looked... :tongueout )

[nephthyr]

I have to agree that to me ****ty is much less about the specific clothing and more about the way that a person behaves...

Having said that, my 2c worth, is a girl in a leather mini and leather boots with fishnets tends to look ****ty... again this is just my opinion and you'll notice I dress that way! :happy:

[RobertaFermina]

In the chill wind of San Francisco tonight, I walked to my car noticing the streetwalkers around me. They dressed so as to exclude any doubt about their vocation. One wore panties, not pants. Others exposed as much flesh as possible.

As long as you doubt whether I'll have sex with you, I am not dressed ****ty.

:rose: Roberta :rose:

[Elena Ambasce]

To me, a **** is someone who uses sex indiscriminately to get what they want, debasing themself in the process. Guys can be ****s too. Being a **** also implies a lack of self-respect, IMO.

When ****ty is used as an adjective to describe appearance, I feel it refers to that lack of self-respect.

Is it the freeness of sexuality, without the traditional women-as-property limitations on sexual propriety as codified in the Abrahamic religions that have shaped most western societies; or is it the using of sexuality to an end, treating it as just another human activity; or perhaps just the concept of sexual manipulation, the exercise of sexual power, that you find objectionable?

For example, do you find free-love hippie chicks, just taking pleasure in sharing the full range of human experience with others, to be ****s?

I don't mean to single you out--no doubt lots of other girls here share your sentiments--but I disagree, and yours was the clearest expression of this POV here for me to respond to.

My biggest reason for airing my disagreement within the context of this site is that I see these kind of notions of sexual propriety as the source of the major schism in the TG community: "early onset" or "non-gynephilic" or whatever other term you prefer TSs[1] and the "femme self" CDs all vigorously shouting "It's not about sex, it's about who I am", as if sexuality weren't a major part of identity; as if sexuality were somehow an unacceptable reason to do something (including but not limited to transition). Note that I'm not saying that they have some kind of sexual agenda they're not admitting--I fully take their statements at face value--but it denigrates and marginalizes those of us who dare to admit that yes, for some of us it is at least in part about sexuality.

No wonder the g/l/b community (for whom it's precisely about the freedom to express the sexuality part of their identity) so often seems to be bordering on disowning us...

Yeah I know I just ruffled a lot of feathers; guess I need to work on my feminine consensus-building. :devil:

Getting back on track with the thread... Ultimately, I find the word "****ty" to only be meaningful if you subscribe to certain sex-negative ideas, which I don't. Obviously certain modes of dress (with variance by culture) indicate an interest and willingness to engage in sexual activity... So girls, if the shoe fits, wear it :D

Ok, panties untwisted now. Carry on.

~Elena~ (mostly lurks)

[1] I can sympathize a little with the TSs, who are trying to get treatment within the framework of a system based on those archaic concepts, but it still doesn't make it right.

[Kate Simmons]

I'm okay with the way anyone dresses as it an expression of themselves and I accept them for who they are. I tend to feel that "****ty", if there is such a thing, is a mindset with a certain goal in mind. It's a way of acting, not the way a person dresses, in my opinion. Hell, some of my best friends can be called "****s" from time to time and I'm not exempt either. I'm not afraid to admit I have sexual feelings at times as I'm not that prudish. I have needs like everyone else. I just don't highlight that stuff much because, well, I just feel it is a "given" and understood. I prefer talking about what I consider the more meaningful stuff, feelings, friendships and relationships but if someone wants to talk about getting aroused by dressing like a woman, It's okay with me. I think we all do to some extent even if we do not mention it much. We are all human after all and can't help having the feelings. The way we manage them is our own choice.:happy:

[Lilith Moon]

****ty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Mitch23]

mildly erotic - I think of short skirt with stocking tops showing

Mitch

[Julogden]

Is it the freeness of sexuality, without the traditional women-as-property limitations on sexual propriety as codified in the Abrahamic religions that have shaped most western societies; or is it the using of sexuality to an end, treating it as just another human activity; or perhaps just the concept of sexual manipulation, the exercise of sexual power, that you find objectionable?

For example, do you find free-love hippie chicks, just taking pleasure in sharing the full range of human experience with others, to be ****s?

I don't mean to single you out--no doubt lots of other girls here share your sentiments--but I disagree, and yours was the clearest expression of this POV here for me to respond to.

My biggest reason for airing my disagreement within the context of this site is that I see these kind of notions of sexual propriety as the source of the major schism in the TG community: "early onset" or "non-gynephilic" or whatever other term you prefer TSs[1] and the "femme self" CDs all vigorously shouting "It's not about sex, it's about who I am", as if sexuality weren't a major part of identity; as if sexuality were somehow an unacceptable reason to do something (including but not limited to transition). Note that I'm not saying that they have some kind of sexual agenda they're not admitting--I fully take their statements at face value--but it denigrates and marginalizes those of us who dare to admit that yes, for some of us it is at least in part about sexuality.

No wonder the g/l/b community (for whom it's precisely about the freedom to express the sexuality part of their identity) so often seems to be bordering on disowning us...

Yeah I know I just ruffled a lot of feathers; guess I need to work on my feminine consensus-building. :devil:

Getting back on track with the thread... Ultimately, I find the word "****ty" to only be meaningful if you subscribe to certain sex-negative ideas, which I don't. Obviously certain modes of dress (with variance by culture) indicate an interest and willingness to engage in sexual activity... So girls, if the shoe fits, wear it :D

Ok, panties untwisted now. Carry on.

~Elena~ (mostly lurks)

[1] I can sympathize a little with the TSs, who are trying to get treatment within the framework of a system based on those archaic concepts, but it still doesn't make it right.
Wow, you're really putting a twist on my posting that couldn't be more wrong. Don't put words in my mouth, please.

As far as I'm concerned, women have the right to sexual freedom as much as any man, and I'm against the women-as-property concept wholeheartedly.

Free-love hippie chicks?? I'm old enough to remember the real hippies, and the whole concept is a myth. In my experience, hippies were just as messed up as any other group of people.

What you view as exercise of sexual power, sexual manipulation, I view as selling one's body, a form of prostitution, to get something that others have to work for. That form of sex isn't done for pleasure, it's done in the course of conducting business of one sort or another. My moral makeup is such that I don't like that, but that's who I am, others are free to disagree.

My concept of "****" is based on self respect, that's the bottom line. I am sexually conservative personally, extremely liberal in most other areas, but I have no desire to control anyone else's sexuality. And I'm not going to criticize them for their opinion either, which is what I feel you, and a few others, are doing here.

Just because your dressing may be driven by sexual thrills doesn't mean that everyone else's is, nor does it mean that only people who dress for sexual reasons should be members of these forums.

People who post here frequently ask for the opinions of others, and since we're a mix here, the answers are going to range all over the spectrum. You are going to see opinions expressed that disagree with your opinion, sometimes by a lot. That's the nature of the place and of people. If your panties are in a twist, that's your own doing, not mine.

Feel free to disagree with me, but don't put words in my mouth.

Carol

[CrossdressinGoth]

Well, as a crossdresser that dresses in ways to turn heads, and seek attention, I wear mini skirts that I find anyway possible to hike up to make it as short as possible. I were the highest heels, stockings that show the tops of and also the garter straps showing. I know a lot of my fashion ideas are ****tly but I love the feel and look of dressing this way. A couple nights ago I went for a walk and was wearing a "risky" outfit and I actually had a guy stop on the side of the road asking if I can get in the car so we could go somewhere. I did not go with but deep down inside I loved that I got asked to go with. For some reason it makes me feel better getting the attention that I do. I dont know, guess Im just crazy.

The outfits that can be pieced together along with the attitude you walk and have you body all can be signs of being ****ty. The outfits I wear are almost always considered that in a lot of peoples eyes. Putting an extra bounce to your step and swaying your butt from side to side also is another way of achieving that look. I dont know, maybe deep down inside I am a **** cause the way I dress, walk, and seek mens attention. Just my :2c: Im not trying to offened anyone and if I did, I apologize ahead of time

[sherri]

I know many GGs who would feel ****ty in some of the dresses we see the Hollywood starlets wearing on the red carpet. Does that mean those dresses are cheap? Try telling that to their accountants! Does it mean the starlets are cheap for wearing them? Depends on your moral compass, I guess. Does it mean the starlets -- or any GG who shows a lot of cleavage or legs or whatever -- are willing to have sex with almost anyone? Um, I don't think so. But there is no doubt they enjoy making guys (and girls) want to have sex with them. Big difference.

[sterling12]

It's been my experience that sometimes when someone says that a person looks "****ty", it may have a lot to do with envy.

Sometimes people disguise their insecurities about themselves by "looking down" upon others. It isn't always the case, but it's very easy to look at someone in a tight dress, or showing a little more leg, and say: "Wow, she's dressed like a ****." Or, "that looks ****ty!" In this way we can dismiss the person as not worthy because they have differed from some imagined norm.

Having dismissed that person as "not as good as myself," it makes it easier to feel better about our own appearance. "Hey. my body isn't that good, but at least I'm not a ****!" I think Freud called these types of behaviors, "rationalizing".

Of course, that's not always the case. I mearly bring it up to provide food for thought.

Peace and Love, Joanie

[Julie York]

****ty: I'll have sex with you.

Erotic: I probably won't have sex with you...but you can look......and I might.....but I probably won't......but I might.



Let's not lose track of the plot. Crossdressing is a recreational activity. Normal rules of being taken home to meet someone's mother do not apply.

[loki_uk]

PVC dress with nipple zips, and a leather thong :eek:

[Khriss]

..while "Paris and Brittney " re-define ??
..short of "Porn Star" status ...
Is Jenna Jaimeson a **** ??? I'm not sure ... as she dresses that way, then picks her partners so ?
What the heck... I may be a "****" in some ways too ?? "K"

[Alex!]

"****ty" just means a lack of dignity, in my opinion. I hope I don't offend anyone with that commnet, but since we were asked... :)

[battybattybats]

Ahh the manipulation of ideas through control of the meaning of words... the demonisation and deliberate loading of connotative meaning... anyone remember when cult only meant religion? (For more information explore Neuro Linguistic Programing and Orwells 1984)

I am all for the liberation of words and terms from derogatory connotation, so when a black man calls himself a nigger I applaud, when a gay friends refers positively to faggots I applaud. So when ethically promiscuous people stand up against oppression and try to regain the word **** I'm on their side.

So to me ****ty is openly and provocatively sexual. It is a symbol of freedom. It is an emblem of pride. It is ressistance against sexual repression. It is saying to **** with the opinions of others who are offended by my not repressing and hiding my sexual expression I'm wearing what I want.

Defy the Fashion Fascists I say.

[Annesah]

****ty? Not me of course. Especially at my age! But thoes cloths in my closet!:eek:

[Sheri 4242]

Okay -- listen closely: like I just told y'all in Toyah's thread, us Southern U.S. girls have exclusive rights to be called ****S!!!!!!! :D


I know this is news to many of you, but it IS the perogative of us Southern Girls!!! :D


Why? :heehee:


****S stands for Southern Ladies "Up To Something" :rofl: :tongueout :cheers: :lol2:


(And, for those of you who have always wondered what GRITS are??? That's easy -- Girl Raised In The South!) :tongueout :rofl: :tongueout

[Lovely Rita]

Firstly, the adjective ****ty does not appear in my Webster’s dictionary but shows up as ****tish, but I am sticking with ****ty anyway.:D

I must say that it has been quite interesting to read the varied comments. I think that the term ****ty is not at all stagnant and that it moves with the times and what it defines today may not look like what it described yesterday.

I can remember when even GGs were not as comfortable with all the sexy lingerie so openly peddled today. When I was a child these sexy things were referred to as unmentionables for a reason.

Years ago, a lady wearing too short a skirt, or a dress a little too revealing, with heels a little too high would easily be branded a **** by other ladies, even if she were not a loose woman, just for what she was wearing and not because she was under a lamp post either.

I happen to like all facets of woman’s fashions including the risqué. I really do enjoy dressing the **** when the mood hits and I will never be ashamed of what I like wearing ever again.
My SO and I joke that since I was not free to dress how I wanted to for so long that I have to go through the various phases like teenage girls who constantly push the envelope. I don’t know if this is the case but it is interesting to ponder my arrested development.

I respect the fact that some people are not comfortable with ****ty look for themselves just as I respect others who like to dress more provocative. I try my best not to look down on anyone because they are not just like me or see things the way I do. I try to respect even those ladies who stand under lamp posts, and honestly I like some of the things I have seen them wearing, especially those thigh high boots with stiletto heels, I just have to get me some. I want them badly.

With regard to fashion my definition of ****ty describes, very short skirts, very high heels, very sexy lingerie, and a very provocative look. It is not a bad word for me, though I can appreciate that it is for others.


For me respectability has nothing to do with how a person looks but more about how a person regards other people. I am working to respect everyone including the ladies that stand under lamp posts. I believe the most respectable people are those who respect other human beings irregardless of the way they look. This would be how we would want the public in general to look upon us cross dressers. For sure the public at large may have a bad impression about us just because of the way we dress. :love:

[curiosity_aroused]

In that if a person looks appealing then they are called ****ty by others who wished they looked appealing too. Do I look like a ****ty guy if I wear a cut-off shirt and tight shorts to show off my body? Is that a standard that is only applied to women? In terms of CDing, I want to look appealing. I would prefer to look glamorous and romantic like in a 1940s movie but I find sexy/****ty to be very appealing. This could be because dressing makes me feel submissive and then I would naturally be attracted to someone who is dominant in a sexy/****ty way.