Can we get some stats?

[Felixi]

I was wondering if those here that are MTF Cder's would willingly disclose their "orientation" (straight, gay, bi, straight as male, bi as fem,...). As I am presently doing an informal research to better understand my lifelong friends CDing recently discovered by his friends. He still does not know that he has been "ousted" by mistake, and we have agreed to let him disclose the secret life in his own time.

We are concerned that he might accidentally get careless again and some other people who are not as kind could destroy him and ruin his career (he works in management, many clients would drop the company's services if they knew). His leaving his computer on and opened to his "profile" in his cubicle might have actually been a repressed desire to come out of the closet. Then again, it could have been just an act of carelessness. From what we saw he is definitely gay while "en femme".

So, that being said, I am wondering about those participants of these forums sexual orientation? Would any of you feel comfortable revealing that information here, I'm trying to develop some informal studies and by some books addressing the issue. Just from a casual perusing of the forum, I have seen some thinking it is a curse that they wish they could rid themselves of, some love it and are secretive about it others openly CD, so apparently there is a wide range of emotions on the subject.

As for me: Straight male, non CDer, loves drab only on me.

[Marla S]

You could be interested in this thread (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62965&)

If you search the forum (search function) you will find other threads and stats about this subject.


As for me: Straight male, non CDer, loves drab only on me.
You can't have everything.

[Sheri 4242]

Straight! I am a mtf heterosexal crossdresser. Just as an aside, you may be interested to learn that many who fall into the heterosexual mtf CDer category deeply desire to be able to dress openly and freely in front of a GG SO (genuine girl who is a significant other).


ADDITIONAL COMMENT

One more additional thing: if you are really his friend, please understand that just about every CDer I have ever known or read about, grew up with an overwhelming sense of shame, fear, and guilt!!! To whatever degree possible, you need to be empathetic and sensitive to this aspect!!!

[ShannonDragon]

straight :tongueout

[SandyR]

Staight! And happily married.

Hugs.

SandyR

[Kelsie]

Straight! I am a mtf heterosexal crossdresser. Just as an aside, you may be interested to learn that many who fall into the heterosexual mtf CDer category deeply desire to be able to dress openly and freely in front of a GG SO (genuine girl who is a significant other).

Count me in this camp. Straight, happily married and wanting deparately to dress openly and freely in front of my wife

[Deborah Jane]

Straight! No doubts!!

[RobertaFermina]

Ummmmm, well.........

Until this moment, I am straight with one homosexual experience about 25 years ago.

Presently, I am open to any person who enters into my erotic imagination through my heart. Shouldn't matter what I'm wearing.

Do have a weakness for CD's, TG, TS. All sparks, no flames.

Made one date with a guy while I was Enfemme. He cancelled.

Don't know when or if it will happen again.


:rose: On the Verge :rose:

[Jennilouise]

i am mtf cder and i am straight even when enfemme

[KimberlyS]

Felixi, I agree that some stats would be good. But if we really want good stats we need numbers as in lots of people. But too many TG people are even afraid to come to this site. And if they do getting them to answer some questions could take an act of God or whoever you believe in.

We have some decent numbers here but I am sure you do not want to tally even just one post from all of the active members. The best thing IMHO would be for the Admin of this site to add personal survey area to everyones UserCP. The personal survey would only be visible by that user. And somewhere on this site it would give like a stats summary that was maybe updated every day or week.

Now that may sound simple, but often the simple things with computers take a lot of work to do and that is IF the software even has the flexibility to do it. And then what questions would be asked to get some stats including what may be too many questions to answer that people would not fill it out. I have worked on a variety of surveys and just asking questions is not enough. They need to be worded in a non-bias way and they need to give a numbers that will mean something and possibly be combined to give more stats or even double as a data verification key. It is surprising the conflicting data some people get during a survey. Data like born a male, never had a GRS, and currently a female would possibly remove that full set of data from that person.

And if the Admin's would do this the first problem exists. Would everyone fill out the person data and fill it out correctly so good stats could be collected.

So a lot depends on what you are looking for. Hetro male, mtf cder, being dressed does not change my views/orientation as I am just a guy in a skirt.

KimberlyS-CD


I was wondering if those here that are MTF Cder's would willingly disclose their "orientation" (straight, gay, bi, straight as male, bi as fem,...). As I am presently doing an informal research to better understand my lifelong friends CDing recently discovered by his friends. He still does not know that he has been "ousted" by mistake, and we have agreed to let him disclose the secret life in his own time.

We are concerned that he might accidentally get careless again and some other people who are not as kind could destroy him and ruin his career (he works in management, many clients would drop the company's services if they knew). His leaving his computer on and opened to his "profile" in his cubicle might have actually been a repressed desire to come out of the closet. Then again, it could have been just an act of carelessness. From what we saw he is definitely gay while "en femme".

So, that being said, I am wondering about those participants of these forums sexual orientation? Would any of you feel comfortable revealing that information here, I'm trying to develop some informal studies and by some books addressing the issue. Just from a casual perusing of the forum, I have seen some thinking it is a curse that they wish they could rid themselves of, some love it and are secretive about it others openly CD, so apparently there is a wide range of emotions on the subject.

As for me: Straight male, non CDer, loves drab only on me.

[Carroll]

straight__________________________________________ __________________as the line

[Claudia Zylindrias]

Stright for the most part, we (My GG SO and I) have had bi experence's as well. So we are pretty open minded sexually speaking along with everything else. Honestly a good looking person is good looking reguardless. I don't lust after each, unless she is wearing something i would love to have.... ;)

[Sweet Jane]

straight, and monogamous

[Annesah]

I am absulutely straight! At least that's what my boyfriend says!

[chrissietoo]

I really appreciate your concern for your friend, that's very kind of you. :hugs:

As you say, he probably is at risk should his secrets become public, and he should be more careful. But, that said, you are making some general assumptions, about cd's, about your friend, her behavior, and about other people's intolerance, that may not be helpful in this case.

It's great the you are doing your homework to try to understand your friend, but ultimately it's not important what the averages are for cd's in general, but what your friend is about. If you are going to protect your friend, then being clear about who she is seems quite important.

:2c: Sit down with her, tell her you know enough to make you worried, and invite her to share her secrets with you. Then your friendship will carry you through, and you can offer her useful and informed advice coming from your heart, and your new knowledge and understanding.

:love: chrissie

[Mary Jane]

MtF, married, straight, and faithful.

[Sheri 4242]

But if we really want good stats we need numbers as in lots of people. But too many TG people are even afraid to come to this site. And if they do getting them to answer some questions could take an act of God or whoever you believe in.


I am convinced that there has long existed an extreme lack of reliable numbers on "mtf heterosexual crossdressing." For so very many there has been a lifetime of shame, fear, and guilt -- a sense that the general public totally misunderstands and thus the public presents us with a mentality that says, "Oh, you wear dresses, you must be gay . . ."

Yet, what we've subjected ourselves to has been, at times, worse than what we've been subjected to by others . . . . at times.

IMO, you could conduct a survey -- and do everything humanly possible to assure security and privacy -- and still have crossdressers not admit what they are, even though what we are goes to the very core of their being!!!

In her book, Normal, I think Amy Bloom says so very much with so very few words. Bloom says, in part, "Heterosexual crossdressers bother almost everyone." Later Bloom notes, "Many heterosexual crossdressers never come out of the closet, not even to their wives; they spend their whole adult lives dressing in secret . . . with only the mirror for company."

[CrossdressinGoth]

I have strong urges to get male attention, wheather its the way I walk, talk, whatever. I know Im Bi without ever experimenting cause of how much I "want men". I just wanna feel like a complete woman and satisfiy a man like a woman would, no matter what way that would be.

[tall sam]

Straight and happily married. Just love female clothes and the zexy feeling they give me when wearing.
Do fantasis about being with a man when enfemms but thats as far as it goes. Dont even like the concept of gay - dont actually think it applies if you are dressed en-femme becuase its esentally a "female" persona looking for a male.
Quite interresting though was the first and only time I have been out en-femme, some of the crappiest comments and gers came from gays wheras straight men didnt seem to care or even showed interrest/curiosity with the most respect comming from GG's.

[saxfemail]

Straight, but I would have to admit curiousity about expirencing sex as a woman. I doubt I would ever follow thru on that curiosity, because without a magical transformation it would not be a true expirence. What you saw on the computer may not represent his true desires, but his curiousity.

[BarbaraTalbot]

Flamingly straight heterosexual. Putting on a dress doesn't make males interestingto me. I have seen some CD's that are more comfortable thinking about another guy if she is also dressed. Thats kind of the way you described your friend I think. I suspect he would call himself straight, but there are latent issues methinks.

[Kate Simmons]

Something tends to bother me about these questions. Maybe you can assuage my concerns Felixi?:happy:

[dashi30]

Something tends to bother me about these questions. Maybe you can assuage my concerns Felixi?:happy:

I as well agree.. however, I don't think a little stat help hurts. I have been dressing for 4 years. I am engaged to be married and my SO is 100% supportive of my CDing. I have been BI since birth and my SO is 100% supportive of that as well. When it comes to me as an individual I have always lived by the rule of thumb there is never a closet. You don't have to come out and tell every one that hey I'm this way, or hey I'm that way. I once posted that I wanted to climb out from underneath my rock and get on top of it and yell Hello world I'm Kaylee! That was just what was going on inside me. Sometimes there are people I want to let know about my lifestyle and some I don't. Some people just don't need to know for different reasons. Just like I don't dress for different reasons. My life is really not complicated unless I make it that way. I just try to keep my self safe and happy.

I hope some of this may have helped you or your friend.

:love:
Kaylee

[Sara Kat]

Bisexual

[Tina Dixon]

Search the web and you will find most CD are straight as I am.

[MarinaTwelve200]

Whether a person is straight gay or bi has nothing to do with CD as it involves functions that are independent of sexuality. More straights than gays CD by sheer numbers alone, but it seems that gays who CD are more open about it, perhaps giving the illusion to the casual observer that it may be a gay thing.----Indeed if CD were to be sexuality based why the hell would any self respecting gay want to look like "some creepy girl"? They are ultimately into MEN, for god'sake.

There are Transsexuals who CD, because they think they are "really" menbers of the opposite sex. Related to this are some guys who need "to express their fem side", then there are fetishists who are invaribally straight, humiliatian S/M types, thrill seekers, and escapists. CDing is but an expression or "symptom" of many entirely different conditions or motivations.

Most uninformed people connect CD with "gay" only because they were told as children that being "gay" means "a guy tht thinks he is or wants to be like a girl"---Ya cant tell a kid what gay really means as kids dont (susposedly) understand about sex and sexuality. ---Unfortunately, some people never check sources outside of what their equally ignorant peers tell them, and hold eronious ideas about Gay and CD even into adulthood.

Im straight , BTW---I CD to "escape" from myself every now and then. It is relaxing.

[hottieindisguise]

The whole reason I CD is because I love women so much. I desire to bring myself closer to the incredible sexual beings that women are... I'm a male most of the time, but I love sitting around and pretending... hoping... imagining what life would be like to be a sexy girl.

So... completely straight here. Love women. Men are hairy ;-)

[UASIANGAL]

As a boy, I'm straight. As a gurl, I'm a les. I am attracted to the feminent traits of TS, CD, TV or even that of a *******. Go figure.

[christina marie]

straight as an arrow! and happily taken!

[karynspanties]

Straight when in male mode.......bi in femme mode. I would never have sex with a man in male mode, only when enfemme.

[SANDRA MICHELLE]

Very straight and the dress does not change anything. I am very happily monogomous with only my better half (wife) But to each there own I say and I do not judge anyone lest I be judged!

[Deidra Cowen]

If ya read my past posts here or look at my website you could probably figure out my orientation. But I really don't answer these questions or discuss my sexual likes and dislikes in public!

Sex is a very very tiny part of my CDing. I actually had a lot more sex when I was just a guy and did not dress. :devil:

[Rashell StClaire]

I have been married for fifteen years and have only recently realised (last 12 months) that I am gay before that I thought I was Bisexual but now the only thing I think about when I see a woman is......Damn I wish I couls wear that or geez her nails are gorgeous

Wow that's the first time I've admitted that!

:o:(

[Sheri 4242]

Whether a person is straight gay or bi has nothing to do with CD as it involves functions that are independent of sexuality. More straights than gays CD by sheer numbers alone, but it seems that gays who CD are more open about it, perhaps giving the illusion to the casual observer that it may be a gay thing.----Indeed if CD were to be sexuality based why the hell would any self respecting gay want to look like "some creepy girl"?

Several excellent points! If I may add to what Marina has said: (1.) most gay men do NOT want a man who is emulating a woman -- most gay men are attracted to, and want, other men; and (2.) "Drag Queens" -- gay men who CD (and are rather flamboyant about it vis-a-vis their temperament) are often contemptuous of GGs, AND, Drag Queens "make sense" to the general public b/c there is a congruence between appearance and sexual orientation.



There are Transsexuals who CD, because they think they are "really" menbers of the opposite sex.

Herein lies the major difference between a mtf heterosexual crossdresser and a transsexual. Transsexuals believe that they were born the wrong anatomical sex.



. . . then there are fetishists who are invaribally straight, humiliatian S/M types, thrill seekers, and escapists.

I'm glad you brought in "fetishists," Marina -- it reminded me of another comment Susan Bloom made in Normal (the book I quoted in an earlier post on this thread). Bloom writes, "Heterosexual crossdressers -- straight men who have not only a wish but a need to wear women's clothes and accessories -- manage to be marginal among heterosexual men, marginal among other men who wear women's clothes, marginal in the community of sexual minorities, and completely acceptable only to fetshists, who accept anyone who says they belong."

:thinking:

[Paula G]

Straight and married for 18 years, plain & simple!

[jasmim101]

i am bisexual, but prefer ladys.:devil:

[jennCD]

Straight, and happily married, so I have enough on my plate without having to worry about infidelity in any gender mode... lol

[Jena11]

Well, unlike most others here, If you see me as a guy I am straight, I only like women. However, I see myself as a woman so I am a lesbian since I only like women. I understand everyone has differences and that is what makes us all be ourselves. I can not even imagine how anyone would want to be with a guy. It just does not work for me. Jena:2c:

[Lorri]

For several reasons, I've found it impossible to form a long-term relationship with a woman and have effectively ruled it out thanks to the strength of my transvestism. If the truth be told, I'm now more interested in how girls look and act, rather than their sex. Conversely, an attraction to guys has appeared and become so strong that I may seek a relationship with a guy where I play the gal sooner or later. I have to face the fact that I am bisexual.

[Sheri 4242]

If you see me as a guy I am straight, I only like women. However, I see myself as a woman so I am a lesbian since I only like women.

Jena,

You have articulated a special feeling extremely well -- and I absolutely understand what you mean!!! You could have just said you were straight, but with a few more words, you explained how some crossdressers have an inner sense of having a dichotomous persona. As a GM you are only interested in GG's -- and when dressed and feeling that female side in control, you are only interested in GG's. Some might not understand how that could make one feel like a lesbian, but I see it very clearly!!!

[Drucilla]

Felix,
If you are really intersted in statistics , I suggest you do a Google search on this. There is some "scienctific" data on the subject and I think will you find that the % of cross-dressers that are gay is about the same as the rest of the population or around 5% or so. So the odds strongly favor the model of heterosexual , straight cross-dresser. Sorry I don't recall a specific study or link but you should find several studies.

[Ashley Lynn Swift]

i would have to say i'm a Lesbain, trapped in this prison that i call my body, while i had experimented in high school and collage, i just never liked it from behind, sorry i'm only like GG's, namely Really prissy girlir girlie GG's, you know the ones who are like my Extreamely Girlie

[Emma England]

My physical sex is male.

I prefer wearing female clothing.

Only interested in women, so that would make me straight.
When I say interested, I mean both in a sexual way and a girly way (what clothes they wear, how they fashion their hair and makeup)

If a man was gay, he would have no interest in women or cd's that want to look like women. A gay would surely be interested in manly looking men.

So why a lot of "general public" assume cd's are gay, I do not have a clue.

[PatriciaCD]

I am bi and love both equally. Although I find that I am attracted more to women while in drab, and more to men while enfemme.

[flatlander_48]

Bisexual and pretty much 50/50 in thought process. However, I have not been seeking any other partners since I have been with my 2nd wife (~5 years). Not that it hasn't crossed my mind...

[LindaTS]

I'm bi and have no regrets with it.

[ChanDelle]

Just interested in women regardless of drab or en femme.

ChanDelle

[MsJanessa]

there have been previous posts regarding cd and sexual orientation---many are straight, many are bisexual and some are exclusivly gay---cant get more exact than that accept to tell you I'm bi---

ps--I'm curious as to why you think that being either gay or a crossdresser would destroy his/her career---if you are worried about that you might have a talk with him/her about leaving his computer screen on at work and accessing those kinds of sites during working hours--that would be a more effective solution to the problem

[joann07]

straight and never been married.
Still looking to find the right person who's accepting of who I am.
My quote below pretty much sums it up.

[Christine XX]

MtF, married, straight, and faithful.

Sums it up for me, too.

-Christine

[Chelseaswpa]

I kinda hate labels- but here goes- I have tried my damndest to like females- but unfortunatly does not work for me. I had a recent familial revalation that makes me aware that I am probably TG. I love being dressed, but sexually prefer other girls like myself. I have met some men when not dressed, did I enjoy it? Not really. It seems that CD's are much less prone to be homosexual than TG's. Just my 2 sense- giggles

[KarenSusan]

Straight MTF and single.

[Alice B]

Straight as an arrow, happily married and love to CD

[Sasha Anne Meadows]

Straight and happily married to a woman who likes me this way.

[Krystenw]

Straigt, Happily married.

[Ruth]

Felixi, you're getting a lot of replies and that's nice for you, but like others before me I don't understand why you're asking.
There's information around about these stats, most of it unreliable, the same as a straw poll taken on a forum like this.
If you really want to help this friend of yours, you don't actually need to know this stuff. You need to know your friend.

[Kiwi Michelle]

It seems i am one of the odd ones out......bisexual

[Rachell]

straight mtf about to be married to a very accepting gg. life couldnt be better
R

[LilSissyStevie]

Straight but a little odd. So happily married I often weep with joy.

[Ambercd12]

I consider myself a straight female since ive been crossdressing for so long i don't think i will ever know how to act like a male again plus i love looking like a female.

[the femm side of me]

Straight, I Can dress in front of my wife on occasion. Only an experimental Bi experience when I was very young. Have been dealing with guilt and shame most of my life as do most CD’s. Over all happily married and leaning about myself, how and why I feel like I do.

[SweetCaroline]

Very straight. Attracted to female things only. Anything masuline doesn't turn me on in the least.

I do however have no reservations against showing physical affection (in a non-sexual way, I.E. hugging, pecks on the cheek, dancing, holding hands, etc...) to another "man" in femme mode. But that's as far as I'll go.

I'm talking to a couple of GG friends, including one, almost technical "girlfiend" about coming out with me, which could be cool. I wish you the best...:drink:

[Darla in Pa.]

Straight here also but fantasize, I always say never say never! (S)

Darla

[andreaattimes]

Straight.

[Zee]

Genetically straight, mentally a woman who finds other women attractive (so a male lesbian, if you will). I do not like the male form; find it almost revolting.

[Trinni]

The fact that your here asking questions shows you care about your friend but stats are just that, stats. Even if you polled 10,000,000 people and they all gave the same answer, he could be the 1 who feels different. Also if your really concerned about his security at work, just let him know. If you think his cding is enough of a problem to hurt him with clients then what ever his sexual orientation is should not matter. :2c:

[kathyjojo]

I am BI I been with women and men. I truly Love them both.

[Suzy Harrison]

I feel more like girl than a guy anyway - so what ever I do I'm not sure if that's being gay, bi or straight. In the end does it matter that much?

I've been with a real girl a few times - does that make me gay or bi ?

In the end I don't think anyone is 100% gay or straight - you might be 80/20

[sissystephanie]

I feel more like girl than a guy anyway - so what ever I do I'm not sure if that's being gay, bi or straight. In the end does it matter that much?

I've been with a real girl a few times - does that make me gay or bi ?

In the end I don't think anyone is 100% gay or straight - you might be 80/20

As my signature says, "more girl than man sometimes." However, though I love to wear feminine things, without a lot of expert help I will never look like a lady. Nor do I wish to be one for a man. I was a man for my late wife, and also her girlfriend. But I am straight.

BTW, Suzy, you are one very pretty Sheila!

Sissy

More Girl than man sometimes

[missattitude]

I am a mtf crossdresser and definatly gay. Been gay My whole life, was just to scared to admit it to myself. Was dating girls early on, but then I found out that there clothes are more important to me than they are.

Miss thang

[Karren H]

Sounds like a dumb move on his part to leave his profile on and even dumber to do it at worl where the IT police will surley be watching him.. Anyway..

Why again are you doing this poll? If you know he's gay then that's you answer!! Lol. Doesn't matter what we are or anyone else for that matter...

Karren

[~Seana~]

Personally I think though you've made some attempt to learn about what he does the only possible reason I can think of athering such statistics is to make up in your own mind if he's strait or bi or? . I wont participate to that degree. If your really concerned keep informing youself about what he does and keep an open mind. If you are just finding out chances ae he's got it pretty well contained.

Or maybe he just felt comfortable telling you.

[Kate Simmons]

I'm wondering why Felixi has not responded to any of this.

[JOEY88]

I'm bi curios I am attracted to males body's but nothing emotional that i know of

[JOEY88]

Personally I think though you've made some attempt to learn about what he does the only possible reason I can think of athering such statistics is to make up in your own mind if he's strait or bi or? . I wont participate to that degree. If your really concerned keep informing youself about what he does and keep an open mind. If you are just finding out chances ae he's got it pretty well contained.

Or maybe he just felt comfortable telling you.

i agree

[trannie T]

When I'm dressed in men''s clothing I'm attracted to women.
When I'm dressed in women's clothing I'm attracted to women.

[Patty]

Str_______________________________aight :2c:

[switcheralso]

Straight, happily married and wanting deparately to dress in public with my wife.