What do these have in common?

[Julie York]

Why are these classic CD fantasy clothing?

What do they have in common? I have my own theories but what are yours?


French Maid
Bridesmaid
Schoolgirl
Cheerleader
Bride

[Marla S]

sub and cute

[JULIE33362]

sub and cute
I THINK SO TOO

[Sheri 4242]

Why are these classic CD fantasy clothing? What do they have in common?

Gosh, Julie, one can answer your question from a couple of different slants. The "French Maid," "Schoolgirl," and "Cheerleader" all fall into what I'd call "fantasy roles." Being a bridesmaid or a bride could be a fantasy, but likewise it could also be a representation of an earnest desire, especially the bride. Being the "bride" was a dream I had for myself that I never thought would come true -- then it did come true thanks to my amazing wife!!! We had a sweet, romantic wedding (technically a vow renewal) while out in Las Vegas back in June. Being a cheerleader, or schoolgirl, or French Maid -- well those three seem more playful and fanciful. Personally, I'd love to be a bridesmaid, too, if the right situation came along, but not so much for play as for sweet and romantic reasons.

[annekathleen]

They all have panties that I'd like to own and wear!

[Eugenie]

Hi Julie,

These fantasies, French Maid, Schoolgirl, Cheerleader, aren't specifically CD fantasies... They are part of quite a few men however, who would like to see their partners play the role...

Some CDs apply a male fantasy when they dress like that.

Where do these fantasies come from? Perhaps from the old puritan background of the 19th century "bourgeoisie". Puritanism is one of the source of sexual fantasies... The reason is that it forbids some behaviors, making them even more attractive...

Servants were assumed to be sexual prays for the masters, especially French maids who had a very hot reputation. Young inocent school girls ingenuity was a source of mostly purely imaginary fantasies (unfortunately also of real child abuse too :mad:) Cheerleaders falls in the same category with, in addition, more feminine bodies and a reputation for being "easy girls".

This "tradition" has been preserved in theater playrights and in movies as well as in "kincky" male magazines. However the costumes have been quite modified compared to the actual ones...

The bride and Bridesmaid's fantasy may be more specific of CDs as a wedding ceremony is often seen as a definitive mark of feminity for the bride and the Bridesmaid's dresses seen as the paroxism of womanhood with their shining satin long gowns...

These are some hypothesis of my own... I have not studied this fantasy field...

So what's your own explanation?

:hugs:
Eugenie

[celeste26]

How about the fact that all of these roles have been systematically depersonalized and bend into mere cliches by our society.

[MarinaTwelve200]

You might also want to add a ballerina to that list too.

Most of these roles are subordinate/submissive, but all of them are exclusively FEMALE---not to mention "cute" as someone mentioned above.

They represent roles to which there is no direct MALE equivalent --eg. note the absense of "School teacher"---as there are MALE teachers too

There are NO MALE French maids, brides, cheerleaders(the dress wearing kind) or ballerinas(tutu wearing) They are prototypical female roles that cannot be socially or psychologically "compromized"--- if you are one of them you ARE female(in a sense)

[Julie York]

So what's your own explanation?

:hugs:
Eugenie

Well it was said better than I could have in so few words by Marla S...."sub and cute".:thumbsup:

They are images of femininity....but of a subservient nature. They contain the clothing that suggests female in BIG letters. Frills, lace, ruffles etc. But their social standing is of someone who can be bullied, seduced or manipulated. I.e. Sub.

The bride is a tricky one for that category, but does fit if you recall the pre 1960's joy of finding a man, provider etc before you were left on the shelf.

I was actually going to post two lists.

The other list is the other end of the scale.
Sexy Teacher.
Nurse.
Librarian
Dominatrix etc etc.

All images of femininity but containing power , sex, and without the ability to be bullied, seduced, or manipulated.

And they are also classic CD fantasy clothing.

The interesting thing is that they have little to do with how men see real women (though women can be offended by these cliches as they think it is how they are seen) and all to do with the signals that their brains respond to as "FEMALE" and then a sexual element depending on the mood.

Like for example, no-one in the Village People actually represented real blue-collar workers. But they did represent an imagery containing trigger signals of masculinity.

[Wendy me]

i was going to say they in the mind's mind they bring up a fantasy .. of a real women bursting with femin sexy appeal ... a fantasy of a lot of men .... hence a MTF CD .... just might be in some way drawn into the fanasity..... ...... but i won't say that.....

[AmandaM]

Yes, I agree with Marina, it's the female that is farthest to the left on the gender scale.

[Julie York]

You might also want to add a ballerina to that list too.

They represent roles to which there is no direct MALE equivalent --eg. note the absense of "School teacher"---as there are MALE teachers too

There are NO MALE French maids, brides, cheerleaders(the dress wearing kind) or ballerinas(tutu wearing) They are prototypical female roles that cannot be socially or psychologically "compromized"--- if you are one of them you ARE female(in a sense)

Yeah, well observed. Good point.:thumbsup:

[docrobbysherry]

Well it was said better than I could have in so few words by Marla S...."sub and cute".:thumbsup:

They are images of femininity....but of a subservient nature. They contain the clothing that suggests female in BIG letters. Frills, lace, ruffles etc. But their social standing is of someone who can be bullied, seduced or manipulated. I.e. Sub.

The bride is a tricky one for that category, but does fit if you recall the pre 1960's joy of finding a man, provider etc before you were left on the shelf.

I was actually going to post two lists.

The other list is the other end of the scale.
Sexy Teacher.
Nurse.
Librarian
Dominatrix etc etc.

All images of femininity but containing power , sex, and without the ability to be bullied, seduced, or manipulated.

And they are also classic CD fantasy clothing.

The interesting thing is that they have little to do with how men see real women (though women can be offended by these cliches as they think it is how they are seen) and all to do with the signals that their brains respond to as "FEMALE" and then a sexual element depending on the mood.

Like for example, no-one in the Village People actually represented real blue-collar workers. But they did represent an imagery containing trigger signals of masculinity.


I guess this explains why u also left; ****, Hooker, and Porn Star, off your list! They r, as r the one's u listed, on mine!
RS

www.myspace.com/robertsherry

[Julie York]

I guess this explains why u also left; ****, Hooker, and Porn Star, off your list! They r, as r the one's u listed, on mine!
RS

www.myspace.com/robertsherry

They were the "etc" bit.



:D

[charlie]

Why are these classic CD fantasy clothing?

What do they have in common? I have my own theories but what are yours?


French Maid
Bridesmaid
Schoolgirl
Cheerleader
Bride
Besides being veery feminine and submissive they represent young sexually pure and sexually virgin females as well. That makes them sexually attractive.

[Michelia]

I would have said exactly the same she said, except I never could have stated it so clearly.

Michelia

[Joann0830]

I believe Its like a fantasy of somesort for that person, :heehee::love:Joann

[LilSissyStevie]

What do they have in common?

French Maid
Bridesmaid
Schoolgirl
Cheerleader
Bride

They are uniforms. Sorry if that's too simple of an explanation.:heehee:

[sterling12]

Almost always there is a sex fantasy attached to them! That was easy!

My fantasy's do not involve being a French Maid or a School Girl, or whatever. I have them, just don't need the props!

A dumb query: "Are we being fair to Significant Others, when we have these fantasy's and don't admit to what is really going on?" I'm now single, and it's not my problem, I just posit the question?

Peace and Love, Joanie

[Kate Simmons]

They produce an image of what some of us think it's like to be feminine and present somewhat of an ideal. Once we learn the truth, however, we understand that real life and real people are much different. Much like the ideal of a perfect man for women. There just ain't no such animal. It's nice to fantasize though I guess.:happy:

[Angie G]

Sexy as hell :hugs:
Angie

[MsJanessa]

well Guess which group I fall into

[Poppetina]

I would love the job of an air hostess politely attending to passengers while in high heels and restrictive skirt.

[Julie York]

well Guess which group I fall into

No no no no.

Don't tell me...

I know this one.



Erm....



Something to do with Dominos.


Damn I know this one.....

[Angela Burke]

They are all dressed in an instantly recognisable female uniform.

[Lovely Rita]

sub and cute

But Marla hit it on the head, concisely and precisely.:D


But you forgot to include the meter maid, and I understand why. She is more of a nightmare than a fantasy.........lol

Only evokes fear of a ticket.....I know:D

[Cara Allen]

Why are these classic CD fantasy clothing?

What do they have in common? I have my own theories but what are yours?


French Maid
Bridesmaid
Schoolgirl
Cheerleader
Bride

Well, they are all strong transgender fantasies, for starters. They all represent different aspects of femininity, some are passive and subservient, some are just femme as hell, and are attractive for that reason, like being a bride. In any case, I think they are appealing as they have no male aspect, anywhere in sight.

Another one used to be a stewardess, but I still like the idea of being a flight attendant.

[Becca]

I would also like to acknowledge the air hostess (or stewardess). When I first started flying in the late 60's, the women's uniforms were every bit as sexy and feminine as those of the cheerleader or the French maid. I always made sure that I had an aisle seat. (The confusing part for me, at least initially, was that I wanted both the clothes and the woman. I wonder how many of you might have felt the same way.)

Although many of the airlines have now modified their uniforms to a more utilitarian style, I was at Dulles the other day when a flight crew for a Japanese carrier walked through the terminal. There were three women wearing silk skirt and jacket uniforms, each as carefully groomed, from hair pins, to make-up, to shoes, as you would expect at a "black tie" dinner party. Wow.

[Audrey34]

I agree in that those roles are also popular in other fantasies too. I have seen dozens of photos (and drawings) of tied up cheerlleaders, schoolgirls and french maids. I haven't seen too many bride and bridesmaids pix. Other popular costume themes for damsel in distress bondage are flight attendant uniforms and nurse outfits. I wonder if those are also popular with you ladies? I always wanted to dress up as a flight attendant in one of those snazzy skirt suits.
-Audrey

[karynspanties]

I am not trying to ruffle anyones feathers, but I never understood why someone would want to wear those particular outfits. Not my thing, but to each his own. I guess it makes individuals...individual! I have had some poeple tell me that I sure am different. My response to them is " You all laugh at me for being different, but I laugh at all of you for being the same".

[Cara Allen]

I would also like to acknowledge the air hostess (or stewardess). When I first started flying in the late 60's, the women's uniforms were every bit as sexy and feminine as those of the cheerleader or the French maid. I always made sure that I had an aisle seat. (The confusing part for me, at least initially, was that I wanted both the clothes and the woman. I wonder how many of you might have felt the same way.)


Me, me me!!! Take me!



Although many of the airlines have now modified their uniforms to a more utilitarian style, I was at Dulles the other day when a flight crew for a Japanese carrier walked through the terminal. There were three women wearing silk skirt and jacket uniforms, each as carefully groomed, from hair pins, to make-up, to shoes, as you would expect at a "black tie" dinner party. Wow.

I think that is the new Chinese airlines... they are advertising all over the place about the elegance of their service. Part of it is the FA's uniform and style. I am personally glad to see it. The elegance of airlines has all but dissapeared in the US. You are more likely to see a FA with combat boots, than heels on her feet.

[boygirlman]

Lots of good ideas here. Many I never considered. Some thinking to do.

When I looked at the list my very first reaction was that they were all young and at least in the minds of most guys; pretty. Young pretty. That about sums it up IMHO.

But the other items mentioned are all valid too, I think. Thanks for all the ideas!