sigh, men...

[eden_medea]

is it just me or do guys only just want to have sex with crossdressers? they never want to commit... they are usually all secretive and date girls like us behind their wives or girlfriend's backs... its really degrading and depressing honestly... anyone have any real luck in holding a guy? i'd be interested in hearing about it...

[Wickanne GG]

is it just me or do guys only just want to have sex with crossdressers? they never want to commit... they are usually all secretive and date girls like us behind their wives or girlfriend's backs... its really degrading and depressing honestly... anyone have any real luck in holding a guy? i'd be interested in hearing about it...

Welcome to the world of being female...it's not all silk and lace.

Recently, women have started taking control of their sexuality...some even act as some male do regarding seduction and sex...others just refuse to be used.

From the married men I know, it's just about the sex when it comes to crossdressers. It's new, it's fun, and it's just sex for them...nothing more. It kind of makes it not seem so "down low"ish to them. I don't call these men my friends I just happen to know them. And before anyone gets on their horse, I am certain that not all men are the same. I'd bet money on it :D

:love:
Wickanne

[eden_medea]

especially i notice when things seem like they are gonna get serious they do a quick reversal and hide... they are always so afraid of being found with crossdressers, i can't believe how many people sneak around in secret and see us - all it does is further marginalize us and keep us out of the mainstream of social acceptance, and devastate us emotionally, if they all just came out and admited to it there would be no problem and it would be helping society for the greater good in the long run...

[androgyne]

Men are built for sex and most of them cheat at some time during their relationship. Very few men would leave their GGs for a CD or TV, since it's not accepted by mainstream society and considered the far fringe by most people. Even transitioning and HRT is a longshot, since most men are usually only interested in the male equipment between your legs - and not because you're a woman - since they usually have their GGs for that. :2c:

[SandyR]

Interesting post.......I guess for me dating men never crossed my mind.....

I just like to dress up......

Hugs!

SandyR

[Dita_B]

Dating men is for me like opening a whole new can of worms, as I have posted about my experience a while ago.

So the next time when some admirer comes up to me, I'll think twice or more before I'd go for a coffee...

Thank you for the honor, but no thank you for this girl...

:love:Dita.

[eden_medea]

attention from guys makes me really... satisfied as a woman... my attraction to men and crossdressing have always worked hand in hand for better or for worse... i had a fantasy about a guy i worked with for years before i 'came out', i would day dream i was his wife all day... actually lost the job over it :)

[Melinda G]

Men are such pigs, and you girls are so easy. Maybe you should hold out for the dinner and a movie thing. :D

[SandyR]

I know I love the buzz of guys that open the door for me.......must admit its a rush.

[docrobbysherry]

I mite not have a clue, because I have no experience with men, only being one.
However, have u considered NOT dressing, and maybe hooking up with gays? Maybe after u get to know each other, u can explain your CD desires?
RS

[eden_medea]

a lot of gays will fight you just as strongly as a woman to keep you as a man. i'm sure i will find someone, i guess i just really wanted to know if anyone has had a long term thing with a guy, i guess the answer is no...

[Nicole Erin]

It is probably best to just enjoy the moment, Whether it is intimate or just a date and the guy is treating you like a lady.

Guys are not as quick to want to commit, whether their lover is GG or CD or whatever.

[Kate Simmons]

Feelings can be funny sometimes. I have several gay friends who like me as Salandra but are a bit put out when I show up as Rich, so I guess the fantasy can go both ways. Even so, we remain friends. Very few are committment material though, either due to unwillingness or because of their situation. This is one reason that CDing has become more or less a fun thing for me and I have decided to just enjoy my time with my friends and not worry about the rest of it.:happy:

[kim85]

It is probably best to just enjoy the moment, Whether it is intimate or just a date and the guy is treating you like a lady.

Guys are not as quick to want to commit, whether their lover is GG or CD or whatever.

:iagree: Some men have troubble commiting full stop. As other have said because CD/TS issues arent really in the public eye its sort of ignore by most people either dont understand, dont think about it or want to ignore it.

I must admit before i found out about my SO's dressing the thought didnt really cross my mind the only time i really saw it was on Jerry Springer ..... yes bad source i know but that was the only place i can remember seeing it.

Kim
xxx

[Mitch23]

It has seemed kind of attractive to me as part of my growing up process - kind of affirmation of my femininity. Not good for my marriage so have had to knock it on the head. Now, I insist that I be taken out and wined and dined en femme in a public place and/or introduced to their mates. So far, noone has taken me up on that ....

mitch

[Stormgirl]

*sigh* So much I want to say in this thread but I think it's better that I refrain from expressing my thoughts. *stomps out of thread*

[androgyne]

a lot of gays will fight you just as strongly as a woman to keep you as a man. i'm sure i will find someone, i guess i just really wanted to know if anyone has had a long term thing with a guy, i guess the answer is no...

I've been in two LTRs with men, but both of them were as a gay guy before coming out as a TG. Recently, I was invloved with a man for a year who said he was going through a separation with his wife. However, after almost two years, he's still with her and it turns out had no intention of leaving her. I have since then terminated the relationship.

I think a lot of TGs that are gay end up in a relationship with another TG precisely for this reason, since they relate to each other and are available. However, most CDs are not gay, so I guess they remain in their marriages, assuming the wife doesn't leave them.

Because our lifestyle is not accepted as mainstream, the prospect of finding a man to commit to a LTR is not very promising, albeit it does happen if you are gorgeous and passable. A few TS women I know (non-ops) are kept, and they seem to like that, though they seldom spend much time with their sugar daddies, probably because the men are married and have families.

Well, there's always the porn industry, lol

[battybattybats]

Men are built for sex and most of them cheat at some time during their relationship. Very few men would leave their GGs for a CD or TV, since it's not accepted by mainstream society and considered the far fringe by most people. Even transitioning and HRT is a longshot, since most men are usually only interested in the male equipment between your legs - and not because you're a woman - since they usually have their GGs for that. :2c:

Actually studies show women cheat about as much as men.
Around about a third of Australian children, it turns out, are not biologically fathered by the person who believes them to be theirs. That's a lot of cheating wives out there!

So I guess women are 'built for sex' too, they just hide the fact better.

[eden_medea]

Actually studies show women cheat about as much as men.
Around about a third of Australian children, it turns out, are not biologically fathered by the person who believes them to be theirs. That's a lot of cheating wives out there!

So I guess women are 'built for sex' too, they just hide the fact better.

no offense, but that's australia - i am not sure if that place even really exists, i mean, what tazmania - isn't that a cartoon or something? jk... yeah, i agree we do tend to wind up with other tg people, as this was my last long term thing... anyway, i'm not gonna give up for a while at least...

[sexotik]

There's a theory that says that everybody is bisexual , but I think in the world there are ppl who are completely straight. On the contrary, there are men who would like to experience sth with other men , whether the latter be gay, cd or tv,but these experiences - most men know since the beginning- must be kept on the low, low.

Yes, I think men especially those who are reaching their 40s are looking for other types of experiences, and this experiences are sex-related, i.e. sexperiences as I like to call them (not only these experiences but all type sexual experimentations). In order to fulfill this sexual craving they have to sneak out, because did the society the live in find out about their sexual preferences, the society, which sometimes as hypocrit as these men, would condemn them.

However, I'm sure as there are men who look cds just for sex, there are other who must be in search for sth more than mere sex.

[MJ]

I've been in two LTRs with men, but both of them were as a gay guy before coming out as a TG. Recently, I was invloved with a man for a year who said he was going through a separation with his wife. However, after almost two years, he's still with her and it turns out had no intention of leaving her. I have since then terminated the relationship.

I think a lot of TGs that are gay end up in a relationship with another TG precisely for this reason, since they relate to each other and are available. However, most CDs are not gay, so I guess they remain in their marriages, assuming the wife doesn't leave them.


Because our lifestyle is not accepted as mainstream, the prospect of finding a man to commit to a LTR is not very promising, albeit it does happen if you are gorgeous and passable. A few TS women I know (non-ops) are kept, and they seem to like that, though they seldom spend much time with their sugar daddies, probably because the men are married and have families.
Well, there's always the porn industry, lol

imagine that a ts being KEPT ... whats that a personal call girl .. i think I will just wait someone will come along when the time is right .. I refuse to be used.

[MsJanessa]

Men are built for sex and most of them cheat at some time during their relationship. Very few men would leave their GGs for a CD or TV, since it's not accepted by mainstream society and considered the far fringe by most people. Even transitioning and HRT is a longshot, since most men are usually only interested in the male equipment between your legs - and not because you're a woman - since they usually have their GGs for that. :2c:

yep

[androgyne]

Actually studies show women cheat about as much as men.
Around about a third of Australian children, it turns out, are not biologically fathered by the person who believes them to be theirs. That's a lot of cheating wives out there!

So I guess women are 'built for sex' too, they just hide the fact better.

Could be :)


imagine that a ts being KEPT ... whats that a personal call girl .. i think I will just wait someone will come along when the time is right .. I refuse to be used.

It's also popular among gays to be kept by a man who may not want others to know he's gay or in some cases married. So, I guess in the case of a TG, you're correct in that it's like a personal call girl, but long term.

[flatlander_48]

no offense, but that's australia - i am not sure if that place even really exists, i mean, what tazmania - isn't that a cartoon or something? jk... yeah, i agree we do tend to wind up with other tg people, as this was my last long term thing... anyway, i'm not gonna give up for a while at least...

Oh yeah...

Lots of cute guys there and definitely some hot looking sheilas. Seeing as how I'm visiting in New Hampshire and looking out at 2ft of snow, Australia looks even better. Definitely need to go back there again!


Interesting post.......I guess for me dating men never crossed my mind.....

I just like to dress up......

Hugs!

SandyR

Well, it definitely is a spectrum and you're just at one end of it. That's all...

[jaina]

imagine that a ts being KEPT ... whats that a personal call girl ...


Or a house wife.

[Josie femme]

I in my male form work with a bunch of woman and I've found that they cheat as much as men, but they don't seem to get caught.

One girl at work sleeps only with married men. (3 or more)

Men love mystery and allure. Atleast I do, we cd and tg are all of that and some. :2c:

[DianaGomez]

Actually studies show women cheat about as much as men.
Its not just the studies that show this, common sense does as well. Either women cheat just as much as men or theres a small percentage of ****s who all the men sleep with, while the rest of the GGs are inmaculate loyal wives. Thats ilogical!

[jennifer41356]

is it just me or do guys only just want to have sex with crossdressers? they never want to commit... they are usually all secretive and date girls like us behind their wives or girlfriend's backs... its really degrading and depressing honestly... anyone have any real luck in holding a guy? i'd be interested in hearing about it...


I think its because there are a lot of tgirls out there that have no problem just meeting guys for sex and they feel all us girls are like that...just the way it is:sad:

[battybattybats]

Its not just the studies that show this, common sense does as well. Either women cheat just as much as men or theres a small percentage of ****s who all the men sleep with, while the rest of the GGs are inmaculate loyal wives. Thats ilogical!

But alas it's a common belief amongst many women I've met!

From eden_medea:

no offense, but that's australia - i am not sure if that place even really exists, i mean, what tazmania - isn't that a cartoon or something?
I'm pretty sure the figure is about the same for the rest of the western world too.

As for the existance of a continent about the size of the U.S.A... well you'll find it on many maps and in many atlases, though I do find it amusing how many movies have big maps of the world in the backgrounds of military headquarters that leave it off. While I do find the idea of living in a fictional world amusing I would rather wonder how I am able to interact with your 'real' world so easily it that were the case.

A quick look about world affairs and you may notice our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, our participation in the 'coalition of the willing', our long term military alliance with the U.S.A., our recent massive turnaround on climate change, our diplomatic efforts against whaling and historically our participation in WW1, WW2 and Vietnam etc often at a higher proportion of population than other countries. We were also the second country to give women the vote, after New Zealand, that strip of long thin islands at the edge of the continent where the Lord of the Rings films were filmed.

As for Tasmania, well the cartoon is named after the character which is named after the animal which is named after where it lives which is named after a guy called Abel Tasman. It's that large island on the south eastern tip of the continent with the unfortunate shape that has led to womens pupic hair/regions offering being refferred to in the vernacular as their 'map of tassie'. the island/state doesn't get a lot of press here in Australia either, is often forgotton about and plenty of derogatory jokes are also made at the expense of the place and it's allegedly inbred and backward inhabitants.

Rmember the swashbuckling movies of Errol Flynn? He was from Tasmania.

[shirley1]

i as a hetro guy have never been attracted to men - but when i'm dressed i sometimes fantasise about oral - ie giving a guy a blow job - that scares me but if and when i do out will the oppotunity be there - probably but i dont think i could go through with it for real - i guess sexuality is confusing these days i cant really understand why any guy thats maried would want to go with a cd but then again its a mixed up world we live in ! really scary !

[eden_medea]

But alas it's a common belief amongst many women I've met!

From eden_medea:

I'm pretty sure the figure is about the same for the rest of the western world too.

As for the existance of a continent about the size of the U.S.A... well you'll find it on many maps and in many atlases, though I do find it amusing how many movies have big maps of the world in the backgrounds of military headquarters that leave it off. While I do find the idea of living in a fictional world amusing I would rather wonder how I am able to interact with your 'real' world so easily it that were the case.

A quick look about world affairs and you may notice our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, our participation in the 'coalition of the willing', our long term military alliance with the U.S.A., our recent massive turnaround on climate change, our diplomatic efforts against whaling and historically our participation in WW1, WW2 and Vietnam etc often at a higher proportion of population than other countries. We were also the second country to give women the vote, after New Zealand, that strip of long thin islands at the edge of the continent where the Lord of the Rings films were filmed.

As for Tasmania, well the cartoon is named after the character which is named after the animal which is named after where it lives which is named after a guy called Abel Tasman. It's that large island on the south eastern tip of the continent with the unfortunate shape that has led to womens pupic hair/regions offering being refferred to in the vernacular as their 'map of tassie'. the island/state doesn't get a lot of press here in Australia either, is often forgotton about and plenty of derogatory jokes are also made at the expense of the place and it's allegedly inbred and backward inhabitants.

Rmember the swashbuckling movies of Errol Flynn? He was from Tasmania.

heh... i was actually just teasing a little :joke: i'm fairly well versed in history, politics, metaphysics, and all that i really do know australia is really real ... but i can also converse with fictional worlds :evilbegon: and sometimes its a little hard to tell whats really real from whats not really real so you never know... i gotta keep checking! ;)

[battybattybats]

heh... i was actually just teasing a little :joke: i'm fairly well versed in history, politics, metaphysics, and all that i really do know australia is really real ... but i can also converse with fictional worlds :evilbegon: and sometimes its a little hard to tell whats really real from whats not really real so you never know... i gotta keep checking! ;)

I thought you were, but just in case.. I have met some people online who didn't know Australia was real. of course who can say what really is real.. if we got into metaphysics and started discussing numenal vs phenomenal reality we'd have a really interesting conversation, fail to find a definitive answer and seriously confuse many others here as to what we were talking about :D

[justaman1214]

Im not married.I have no trouble getting dates with gg's.But I would like to find a cd for a long term committed relationship.And I would not cheat.Not all admirers are the same miss.

[Kieroney]

Well never swung that way with a man, I would like to try with a women first. I have plenty of guys I work with who want to have fun with me all the time, I just toss it to the side, a guy is a guy, and is hungry for one thing, I'm not giving it up until I really feel the need. I honestly just enjoy the dressing up and talking on the site, hoping to sometime soon hang out with some more cd's.

[Lisa Golightly]

Im not married.I have no trouble getting dates with gg's.But I would like to find a cd for a long term committed relationship.And I would not cheat.Not all admirers are the same miss.

Is that thunder? Noooooooooope... I think there's a stampede heading your way :)

[Rebecca_B]

a lot of gays will fight you just as strongly as a woman to keep you as a man.

QFT as I've found this to be the case 9 times outta 10.

[insearchofme]

I know I'm older (old fashioned) but really, if you stayed away from married men then a lot of your problems wouldn't be there. I know men (and women) lie and cheat but when you find out they're married end it. Emotions and feelings be damned end it!

[Wickanne GG]

....metaphysics and started discussing numenal vs phenomenal reality we'd have a really interesting conversation, fail to find a definitive answer and seriously confuse many others here as to what we were talking about :D

Met a fisiks…I met a crossdresser :D or two or three or four...crap I don’t know how many I have met...so many hide it.

noumenal vs. phenomenal reality…ohhhhh, that sounds like such fun. Noumenal reality? Noumenal, something that exists beyond the tangible world…I’m confused or am I…

There is a section of the forum, or isn’t there, where you could start this thread battybattybats, add to the total confusion of this site…or not.
I suddenly feel a case of the “matrix” taking hold…or maybe it’s salmonella….never could tell the difference.

Seriously…I would make a good thread batty.

Thinking outside of the box. Oh yes, the box…now where did I leave that box. I think it may be somewhere in the warehouse.

:love:
Wickanne

[Glenda]

Being single and not in a LTR, I am more open to sexual relationships which are non-commital. It is what I prefer. One of the ladies (a lesbian) I'm involved with chose me because she didn't think that I would go crazy trying to make the relationship something more than it was. Sometimes we end up going home together but our friendship isn't based upon sex.

One of my guy friends hasn't been the same since I had sex with him. He is consumed by it. It is all he ever thinks about. I don't even want to answer the phone when he calls because I know he only wants to talk to help himself get off. I don't do phone sex. He talks about love, wants to come by and generally makes me uncomfortable. Strangely enough, his wife is one of the (few) ladies that I am intimate with. My friendship with her is not based upon sex. It is just something that happens when the mood strikes.

I am positive that he would leave his wife to be with me if I would only let him. The only reason that I agreed to have sex with him was to prove to myself and my GG friend before they married that he would be unfaithful if given the opportunity. Of course, she is unfaithful as well and most likely always will be. So given the limited sample of my own experience, yes, guys are mainly interested in the sex but that doesn't mean they don't want the LTR.

[Raquel June]

Actually studies show women cheat about as much as men.


Its not just the studies that show this, common sense does as well. Either women cheat just as much as men or theres a small percentage of ****s who all the men sleep with, while the rest of the GGs are inmaculate loyal wives. Thats ilogical!


But alas it's a common belief amongst many women I've met!

It simply has to be true to some degree, just not to the degree that many GGs would have you believe.

Obviously some people get a lot more sex than other people. The idea of a **** is not a myth. There exists an average number of sexual partners for the average person. Let's pretend the mean is 15 (skewed by super-****s) and the median is 10. There still exists a large number of people out there for whom the number is less than 5 (there are a lot of Amish people in Pennsylvania!) and a large number of people out there for whom the number is over 50.

So, let's say that any person with more than 30 partners is a ****. If we could graph the number of partners people have, we would see that it was rather steep. People with more partners are by definition having more sex, so while the average person has had 15 partners, we would see that the average sexual encounter involves someone who has well over 30 partners.

While ****s are by and large having sex mostly with other ****s, it is also true that if a total prude seeks out a new partner, that partner will usually end up being a ****.

So there exists a small (maybe not that small) percentage of female ****s who a large percentage (not all) men sleep with.

I know several years ago there were studies done that said that the average male loses his virginity before the average female does. That means that young male virgins are often screwing older female non-virgins.

The numbers just don't have to necessarily be even between men and women. Even if every single person in the world were heterosexual, you'd still see major trends. There are more women than men who almost never have sex, and there are more women than men who compulsively will have sex with anyone (often with men who are with women who almost never have sex).

Anyway, there's still a large myth portion behind it all. Many GGs like to call other GGs ****s. Even nice girls who wouldn't specifically call someone a **** will often speculate about the behavior of ****s in geneal. The most promiscuous GGs that I personally know would never admit to themselves that they were in the upper percentile of ****-dom. To feel better about themselves, they subconciously assume that a large percentage of women are having a lot more cheap sex than they are, which means that a large percentage of women are just nasty. Extremely ****ty girls have a lot of self-loathing misogyny (not that it's their fault -- most of them had a traumatic childhood).

[Raquel June]

One of my guy friends hasn't been the same since I had sex with him.

I'm intrigued by the huge number of women I have heard complain that, contrary to the stereotype, guys get way more attached than girls do after sex. They say that guys are the ones who can't separate sex and love.

At first I thought this was some great hidden truth -- some kind of lie perpetuated by society. But I think in the end the truth is that people who have more partners are inherently less attached to people they have sex with. So, when a girl is complaining that a guy is totally in love with her and she just liked the sex, that's because the guy has had 4 partners in his life and still believes in love, and the girl has had 40 partners and is much more cynical.

I'm not accusing you of projecting cynicism on this couple, though ... they sound plenty screwed up :)

[Trinni]

Since I don't date men I can't say from experience, but a lot of men I know (both gay and straight) tend to play the field a lot.

[Eugenie]

Indeed, Even though I never met men when x-dressed, I received several messages (not from this list) from men who were exactly and uniquely interested by sex... And not even a nice courting leading to sex, but crude offers...

And yet I think that I would like to be nicely seduced by a polite caring man, one who wouldn't jump on me or take me as a "sex toy".

It may sound like being pretentious, but in my male life, I never had such an attitude towards a GG. And in my X-dresser's life neither, be it with a GG or with another X-dresser.

Actually, I'm quite incapable of having a physical relation with a partner for whom I have no sentimental feelings.

But perhaps this is my feminine side that surfaces...

:hugs:
Eugenie

[Wickanne GG]

...The numbers just don't have to necessarily be even between men and women. Even if every single person in the world were heterosexual, you'd still see major trends. There are more women than men who almost never have sex, and there are more women than men who compulsively will have sex with anyone (often with men who are with women who almost never have sex)....

Where do you get your information from, watching porno movies? You certainly like that label “****”.

Since you want to use stats….This is, statistically, impossible (at this point in evolution)..."There are more women than men who almost never have sex, and there are more women than men who compulsively will have sex with anyone..."

100 woman over here, 25 have sex, and 75 do not.

100 men over there, 75 have sex, and 25 do not.

You are trying to say that of those 25 women, more of them have sex, compulsively with anyone, than those 75 men?

It is a fact, at this point in evolution, that men are not only more likely to have sex compulsively with anyone they are also more likely to have sex compulsively with anything…I’ll spare you the sheep jokes.

You are referring to GGs here and not crossdressers? If you are referring to crossdressers (MTF) then I would agree because the male train of thought about sex is still there. Hey, blame evolution and the inherent need to keep this race evolving.

I’ll skip the last 1.2 million years of evolution as a species, unless you need this explained to…I can provide you with some links. A new generation of humans come along every 23 years on average so it will be a very long time before GGs, if ever, catch-up to the North American male’s sexual exploits.

:love:
Wickanne

[Lisa Golightly]

100 men over there, 75 have sex, and 25 do not.

But how many are lying ;)

[Wickanne GG]

But how many are lying ;)

Rotfl...yes...good point.

:love:
Wickanne

[ericalynncd]

Maybe we just haven't gotten to the point of being accepted as a subculture/community yet. I hope this changes in the future. Maybe we could start by educating the public about us. It seemed to work with the gay/lesbian communities.

[charlie]

There's a theory that says that everybody is bisexual , but I think in the world there are ppl who are completely straight. On the contrary, there are men who would like to experience sth with other men , whether the latter be gay, cd or tv,but these experiences - most men know since the beginning- must be kept on the low, low.

Yes, I think men especially those who are reaching their 40s are looking for other types of experiences, and this experiences are sex-related, i.e. sexperiences as I like to call them (not only these experiences but all type sexual experimentations). In order to fulfill this sexual craving they have to sneak out, because did the society the live in find out about their sexual preferences, the society, which sometimes as hypocrit as these men, would condemn them.

However, I'm sure as there are men who look cds just for sex, there are other who must be in search for sth more than mere sex.

When I have gone out dressed I often get hit on and asked if I wanted to go home with a guy, be bought a drink or even dance. They are almost always surprised that I actually just like women, dressed or not and are not there to pick up a guy. These guys are usually men with wedding rings and are trolling for a pickup. You see them making out in the corners of the bar! They also are surprised that I am not into going with them to "party". It is probably as much a new world for me as it is for them!

[battybattybats]

It is a fact, at this point in evolution, that men are not only more likely to have sex compulsively with anyone they are also more likely to have sex compulsively with anything…I’ll spare you the sheep jokes.

You are referring to GGs here and not crossdressers? If you are referring to crossdressers (MTF) then I would agree because the male train of thought about sex is still there. Hey, blame evolution and the inherent need to keep this race evolving.

I’ll skip the last 1.2 million years of evolution as a species, unless you need this explained to…I can provide you with some links. A new generation of humans come along every 23 years on average so it will be a very long time before GGs, if ever, catch-up to the North American male’s sexual exploits.


Across the vast majority of animals it is the female that is more promiscuous and the male the jeolous one trying to maintain procreative hegemony.

As for our evolutionary history, well there is one very contentious argument regarding the design of male genitalia that suggests that at one point orgys were a significant part of early human life to effect our anatomy... beyond that our closest relatives are the chimpanzee and the bonobo. A little look at either makes for some interesting speculation that does not necessarily bear out the 'all/most males are ****tier' hypothesis.

There have been numerous examples of women who have abused animals, children etc sexually too. Women rape often too, but it goes vastly under-reported. Women watch porn (mostly on the net where they won't get caught, it's believed at least 1/3rd of porn viewers on the net currently are women). When it comes to surveys of peoples sex histories it was found men and women exaggerate their partners by about the same amount, men multiplying and women dividing based on expectations of them.

As society becomes more open the myths about gender and sexuality are falling away. A recent survey of elderly women found more than 90% had pre-marital sex in their youth but wouldn't even admit it anonymously until recently!

[eden_medea]

Maybe we just haven't gotten to the point of being accepted as a subculture/community yet. I hope this changes in the future. Maybe we could start by educating the public about us. It seemed to work with the gay/lesbian communities.

There needs to be some kind of organized "power structure" mimicing a state apparatus within societies created for and controled by "t-people", as the Indian Hijra's have had since the beginnings of Hindu society and was present in the religions of ancient Mesopotamia - the "priests" of Inanna-Ishtar were transvestite "eununchs" - one of the epithets of Inanna-Ishtar was "she who can change male to female and female to male" ... without some kind of strong organizational tactics we will always be marginalized and pushed into the closet of the sex industry. I agree that the public does need to be educated about us - I'm glad someone said it.

Personal, the only girl I have ever been with lived like across the country - in texas - i live in ny - i saw her once every 6 months between the ages of 14 and 17... we met online, some how our parents let us visit each other - but besides that even though i have asked girls out i never got a very good response, i do have attraction to women still, not so much emotional but physical... when it comes to guys though the allure is much more intense because the attraction is strongly emotional and also just as physical as for a female... lately i was considering trying to find a gg to be with, just because it would make it easier to 'fit in' to society... i really have no desire to though, the draw of the idea of being with a guy is way too powerful

[krissy1987]

i must say i have had decent luck with the guy im with now, he always wants to take me places and hes not shy in bed either

[Mixie]

It kind of seems like the more we advance as a society, the more care we need to take in recognizing and accepting roles.

Homosexuality is still the newly accepted sexuality, but since I started accepting myself as a CD, I've come to realize that how we project ourselves sexually is also part of our sexuality. The current accepted sexualities seem to me to be these:

Straight men
Straight women
homosexual men
Homosexual women

But Now I see that there are a whole lot more due to our desires of sexual projection. Sexuality isn't only who we desire to have sex with, but also what we wish for our partners to find sexy about US. So considering this to be a variable, and our existence PROVES that this is a variable, we have:

Men who project as men and are attracted to men
Men who project as men and are attracted to women
Men who project as women and are attracted to men
Men who project as women and are attracted to women
Women who project as men and are attracted to men
Women who project as men and are attracted to women
Women who project as women and are attracted to men
Women who project as women and are attracted to women

I know that there are even more sexualities out there than these, but I for one think that the concept of sexual projection needs to be recognized by society. Because sometimes the idea of someone being attracted to me as a woman is even more powerful than my own attraction to women.

[Khriss]

.. open terms ...open expectations ?
get what You Give ??
I'm a Guy ... (xdresser) but ..comments often , are full of "gender Hatred" ??
a thing that should be avoided ..Ignorance should be Condemned !!
not only from the safety of a forum that lets angry folks who wish to manipulate it.. with their angst ? ..."K"

[Raquel June]

Where do you get your information from, watching porno movies? You certainly like that label “****”.
I was referring to both males and females. Should I have said "promiscuous" or "having more sexual partners than average" a million times?

I really shouldn't take your response seriously given your tone, but I suppose I'll be nice.


Since you want to use stats….This is, statistically, impossible (at this point in evolution)..."There are more women than men who almost never have sex, and there are more women than men who compulsively will have sex with anyone..."
How is it impossible, and what does it have to do with evolution?

Is it the word "compulsive" that you have a problem with? Excluding the super-desirable super-rich/attractive, women generally dictate the terms of sex. It is easier for the average woman to get picked up. The trend is that men try harder to get laid, and women dictate for the most part when men get laid. Therefore, if a woman wants to have a lot of sex, she can rack up numbers much faster than a man can.

It is also a fact that men are more driven to have sex than women. There are exceptions, but the trend is that men just want it more. Therefore, women are more likely to not have sex.

I guess it sounds strange to say that women are more likely to be compulsive and also more likely to be celibate, but it's pretty simple when you think about it. Any psychologist will tell you the same thing. You can easily say that social pressures instigated by men are to blame, but the fact remains.

Gay men have more sex than gay women. It's mostly a testosterone thing (some women actually take testosterone to raise their sex drive). So maybe you could say men are much more compulsive in theory, but heterosexual men don't have as much opportunity to put that into practice.

Then you have transgendered genetic males who can be extremely feminine and emotionally fragile, but then also have the sex drive of men. Seems like that can be a real disaster.

[tvbeckytv]

well this is a difficult one for gurls who like men.
we do just have to accept we are in a niche market, so to speak. most tranny chassers will identify as being straigth but want a gurl with something different between their legs. vast majority of these will just want sex, some will want an exciting affair, but ive never met one in person that truely wants a tranny partner. im sure one or two might be out there though.
In my experiance for relationships its always been with gay men that like gurly/sissy/femme partners ... they are rare, but they do exist.
the only real boyfriends i have had would identify as gay men. the problem for some gurls is they cant see themselves as being 'gay' themselves. Its a real issue for sure.
but hey, i guess its not easy finding mr/mrs right for anybody... we just have added complications.

[Wickanne GG]

…There have been numerous examples of women who have abused animals, children etc sexually too….

I have never denied women do these things. I remember a conference in 1988, presented by males, about sexual abuse and child abuse. Staggering statistics regarding the number of men who commit these crimes. One woman stood up and questioned why the statistics on female offenders was not being presented. The silence could have shattered glass. Finally, one of them said, “Because the number of women who commit these offences are so miniscule that it wasn’t considered relevant.” Well, believe me, she challenged the panel to acknowledge that is an issue. Oh my…who was that woman? That woman would be moi. Even as little as a few years back I was treated as an outcast for ever suggesting a woman would be capable of such acts of violence. Women are wired to nurture, but we all know that sometimes the wiring gets short-circuited and we get these rogue personalities, even in the species of females.

Let’s keep in mind that a vast majority of women who are raped also fail to report it for the same reasons males fail to report it.

I have heard/read various stats regarding women and pornography. We’ll use your 1/3, plus one. I wonder who the other 2/3s are? It’s an industry very heavily dominated by (male producers and) male buyers/viewers. Your numbers verify this.

A vast majority of males are territorial predators. Evolution made it less necessary for these characteristics. Society has tapered this condition. Yeah, sure history has blips of female dominance. The reason these women standout is because there are so few of them and the acts they committed are so shocking, so uncharacteristic for the females of their time. But there is no question that the male sex drive is far superior to the female sex drive. Yes, more blips…nymphomaniacs. A fertile male can reproduce, on average, every 20 minutes whereas a female can reproduce, on average, every nine months. Pretty much tells one a lot about promiscuity in the HUMAN species. Hell, if it had been left up to women the species of humans would have died out by now. What does evolution have to do with this? It has everything to do with female and male behaviours. Anyone who doesn’t understand it would be best served spending a day or two at their local library. Get a break from the BS stats one can find on the Internet.

Wow! 90%…that is an amazing percentage.
What did you say the criteria was for this survey? Did they use a 3STD or 2STD? How many women were surveyed? Was this pre-marital sex with their husband-to-be or a random stranger? What were there ages? Where they divided into age groups or just labelled, “elderly”? Was dementia factored in here? (‘Cause you know that dementia can cause one to forget something one has done, or remember something one has not done.) Where was this survey taken? I am certain if the survey was taken of 2000 women in Australia the results would be much different than if they took the same survey in …I don’t…let’s say…Iraq. You might get one woman there but she would not be able to tell you because she would be dead!

Darn…that 90% isn’t looking as impressive anymore. I suppose I’ll drop it in the pile labelled, “just another number.”

racquel937


Since you want to use stats….This is, statistically, impossible (at this point in evolution)..."There are more women than men who almost never have sex, and there are more women than men who compulsively will have sex with anyone..."

100 woman over here, 25 have sex, and 75 do not.

100 men over there, 75 have sex, and 25 do not.

You are trying to say that of those 25 women, more of them have sex, compulsively with anyone, than those 75 men?

It is a fact, at this point in evolution, that men are not only more likely to have sex compulsively with anyone they are also more likely to have sex compulsively with anything…

Honestly, I am being sincere here, what is it that you don’t understand?

“Compulsive” is one of my favourite words.


The trend is that men try harder to get laid, and women dictate for the most part when men get laid. Therefore, if a woman wants to have a lot of sex, she can rack up numbers much faster than a man can.

WHAT????


It is also a fact that men are more driven to have sex than women. There are exceptions, but the trend is that men just want it more. Therefore, women are more likely to not have sex.

No disagreement about the “fact” but the rest, WHAT???, because men want it more women are more likely not to want it? Or are you not aware of how to use a “therefore”?


I guess it sounds strange to say that women are more likely to be compulsive and also more likely to be celibate, but it's pretty simple when you think about it. Any psychologist will tell you the same thing. You can easily say that social pressures instigated by men are to blame, but the fact remains.

What is strange to me is that you use “compulsive” and “celibate” in the same sentence. Are you interweaving two different groups of women here? Because I am chatting about women in general. For you to use the word “****” is purely subjective, therefore, I tend to lean toward the topic of women as a whole group. Again, we have our rogues…and our sub groups based on age blah, blah, blah.

Compulsive: driven by an irresistible inner force to DO something.
Compulsion: a force that makes somebody DO something.
Celibate: abstaining from sex.

Perhaps you mean, compulsive about abstinence.


Gay men have more sex than gay women. It's mostly a testosterone thing (some women actually take testosterone to raise their sex drive). So maybe you could say men are much more compulsive in theory, but heterosexual men don't have as much opportunity to put that into practice.

Men are more compulsive, not only in theory, but also in practice. An understand of evolution, the history of man, squishes the last part of your paragraph…(resisting the urge to place a bestiality joke here. Oh, by the way…Thank men for AIDS!)


Then you have transgendered genetic males who can be extremely feminine and emotionally fragile, but then also have the sex drive of men. Seems like that can be a real disaster.

I agree with you on this…and why do I agree…because it is men who are much more compulsive about sex than females are. Hence, why females voice concerns about being “used” far more than a male does. Trust me, if a woman is being compulsive about something she is not likely to complain about it….until, of course, other people point it out to her as a problem…should it become a problem.

:love:
Wickanne

[Raquel June]

What is strange to me is that you use “compulsive” and “celibate” in the same sentence. Are you interweaving two different groups of women here?

Well they wouldn't be simultaneously applied to the same women. I was saying women span a broader spectrum of sexual activity. A "number of partners" graph for women would have a higher standard deviation than one for men.

[gingerli]

Apparently you use a wikipedian dictionary; the word celibate means 'not being married.' And despite the musings of countless comedians everywhere since the dawn of time, being married does NOT equate to not having sex!

[Raquel June]

Apparently you use a wikipedian dictionary; the word celibate means 'not being married.' And despite the musings of countless comedians everywhere since the dawn of time, being married does NOT equate to not having sex!

If you're going to troll, go ahead and checkout one of the many online dictionaries before you nit-pick.

Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/celibacy):
celibacy
1. abstention from sexual relations.

Cambridge Advanced (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=12116&dict=CALD):
celibate
not having sexual activity, especially because of making a religious promise to do this

Cambridge American English (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=celibate*1+0&dict=A):
celibate
not having sex, esp. because of religious principles

The only dictionary that agrees with you is the 1913 edition of Webster's, but the online edition does include the the modern usage of the word as the 2nd definition:

Webster's (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/celibacy):
celibacy
2 a: abstention from sexual intercourse

And to be fair, at least in America before modern times, "unmarried" was supposed to imply "abstinance," and it didn't really need to be spelled out that someone referred to as celibate was not having sex.

[battybattybats]

I have never denied women do these things. I remember a conference in 1988, presented by males, about sexual abuse and child abuse. Staggering statistics regarding the number of men who commit these crimes. One woman stood up and questioned why the statistics on female offenders was not being presented. The silence could have shattered glass. Finally, one of them said, “Because the number of women who commit these offences are so miniscule that it wasn’t considered relevant.” Well, believe me, she challenged the panel to acknowledge that is an issue. Oh my…who was that woman? That woman would be moi. Even as little as a few years back I was treated as an outcast for ever suggesting a woman would be capable of such acts of violence. Women are wired to nurture, but we all know that sometimes the wiring gets short-circuited and we get these rogue personalities, even in the species of females.

Rogue nothing. It's undereported and when it is brought before the courts it's punished differently. Female pedophiles get lower sentences than male ones. Domestic violence.. they used to think 10% of offenders were female, then it was shifted up to 1/3rd.. well the latest studies suggest it's 50%. Not that the amount of offence appears to have clumb. No it's just that it's becoming more admitted. Murder comitted by women, that is apparently on the rise. Baby/child killing by women, up too. The number was never miniscule but the belief that women were wired to nurture has been used to turn a blind eye and when a situation existed where it couldn't be ignored it was considered an aberation. But this is not so.

Are lionesses wired to nurture? Only there own cubs.. and how many animals in the wild eat there own children! Are female chimpanzees exclusively gentle gatherers? And Bonobos.. as similar to humans as chimps are.. a totally female dominant species, admitedly with a sex-based rather than violence based social organisation. Yet are they pacifists? Hardly, they still defend themselves from other species.

Evolutionarily human females are wired to violently defend their territory. They are wired to kill. To be violent. I propose you have a look at the folowing: Cave Bear. Smilodon. Dire Wolf. While the men were allegedly off hunting Mammoths miles from home these would not stay away and not try and attack the camp or gatherers. Guess who defended them? Women! It's simple.

If we were split into males-hunt, females-gather in paleolithic times (where society was believed to be universaly female dominated, the patriarchy wasn't believed to be ascendant until agriculture was well underway and religious rites had moved from a hallucinogen base to an alcohol one) then women had to be able to defend themselves and their children from huge violent predators that make anything alive today look like tiny playful kittens. The robbing of women of their past of violent physicality, of their killer instinct is a form of sexist oppression.


Let’s keep in mind that a vast majority of women who are raped also fail to report it for the same reasons males fail to report it.

The same reasons? I think there are additional reasons that men do not report it. Especially when the man was raped by a woman. sure most people who are raped don't report it but as far as can be determined the proportion of men who report it is a vastly smaller proportion.


I have heard/read various stats regarding women and pornography. We’ll use your 1/3, plus one. I wonder who the other 2/3s are? It’s an industry very heavily dominated by (male producers and) male buyers/viewers. Your numbers verify this.

And it is in solid demographic shift. With more and more women producing, directing etc and more and more women admitting to be buying and viewing. I wonder how long before it, like the domestic violence, reaches 50%?


A vast majority of males are territorial predators. Evolution made it less necessary for these characteristics. Society has tapered this condition.

And yet it was the advent of agrarian civilisation that lead to male-dominance. Interesting that.


Yeah, sure history has blips of female dominance. The reason these women standout is because there are so few of them and the acts they committed are so shocking, so uncharacteristic for the females of their time.

Most history is from agrarian civilisation. However the amount of female dominance isn't so miniscule. What about the warrior women of the steppes that inspired the greeks tales of the Amazons? Their burial mounds have been excavated with swords and spears designed for womens hands, womens armour-showing signs of use. Whole african tribes had female dominance. Generally women weren't dominant because they were culturally and literally oppressed. Give them a chance and they'll surprise you. There are plenty of reports of warrior women as a significant minority amongst the vikings, the celtic tribes and others.


But there is no question that the male sex drive is far superior to the female sex drive. Yes, more blips…nymphomaniacs.

How much of this is cultural and how much biological? This is still a matter of serious academic contention.


A fertile male can reproduce, on average, every 20 minutes whereas a female can reproduce, on average, every nine months

20 minutes? Not a lot of the guys I know! A guy is considered either bragging or a 'legend' if he can boast of more than twice a day consistently!


Pretty much tells one a lot about promiscuity in the HUMAN species.

A species perpetually in heat? That requires devoting so much energy and resources to grow our ludicrously oversized (compared to other animals) brain and they are only carried for 9 months! That is really fast! Look at how many years it takes a human to reach adulthood. An allosaurus only took a few years! Humans take so long to reach adulthood because they don't finish developing them properly before they are born so they can drop them and be ready for more. And the brain can only develop so far and still fit through the badly designed bipedal pelvis.

What does this tell us? It tells us that intelligence was our most important asset. It tells us that extended social structures were essential to ensure each generations survival. It tells us thet we were ready to reproduce any time. It tells us that every human was necessary for the violent defense and survival of the tribe because of the huge investment in resources each one represented in a world filled with megafauna-which we may have been responsible for the systematic extinction of.


Hell, if it had been left up to women the species of humans would have died out by now. What does evolution have to do with this? It has everything to do with female and male behaviours.

Really? Why exactly would we have died out? When women still have a significant sex drive. When women have a 'biological clock'. When the only birth control involved herbs/berries/etc that caused abortion which always carried serious risk of death. When women can be fiercely territorial, political, violent, viscious and sadistic? If evolution teaches us anything it's that species with serious liabilities grow extinct when faced with sudden adversity. Human beings have proved to be the most adaptable recently evolved species thus far surviving collossal climate change, spreading to every single continent. At one point we survived a mass-extinction event that dropped our numbers to a matter of thousands! Few species manage that. If women were a survival liability this just would not be possible.


Anyone who doesn’t understand it would be best served spending a day or two at their local library. Get a break from the BS stats one can find on the Internet.

Absolutely. And find some of the more recent anthropological and pre-history archaeological books please.


Wow! 90%…that is an amazing percentage.
What did you say the criteria was for this survey? Did they use a 3STD or 2STD? How many women were surveyed? Was this pre-marital sex with their husband-to-be or a random stranger? What were there ages? Where they divided into age groups or just labelled, “elderly”? Was dementia factored in here? (‘Cause you know that dementia can cause one to forget something one has done, or remember something one has not done.) Where was this survey taken? I am certain if the survey was taken of 2000 women in Australia the results would be much different than if they took the same survey in …I don’t…let’s say…Iraq. You might get one woman there but she would not be able to tell you because she would be dead!

I heard the report on the radio, so I can't comment on methodology. However a quick look at most middle eastern countries, where the practical opportunity for such shenanigans is substantially reduced still finds a reasonable number of instances of such things, even when the penalty for such actions involves public flogging, rape, death or mutilation by acid. These punishments are metered out quite often because the 'crime' is comitted often enough.


Darn…that 90% isn’t looking as impressive anymore. I suppose I’ll drop it in the pile labelled, “just another number.”

While statistics are only as good as their methodology I agree, they are the only way to qualitatively and quantitatively measure things in the world. Going by personal experience is subjective. However if I were to do that the results would be as follows:

Number of instances of rape of women I know by men :3
Number of instances of rape of women I know by women :1
Number of instances of rape of men I know by men :1
Number of instances of rape of men I know by women :1
Number of instances of rape of Transexuals I know by men :1
Number of instances of rape of Transexuals I know by women :0
Number of women I know who were victims of domestic violence:1
Number of men I know who were victims of domestic violence:5
Number of men I know who were attacked publicly by men:20
Number of men I know who were attacked publicly by women:5
Number of women I know who were attacked publicly by men:5
Number of women I know who were attacked publicly by women:6
Number of men I know who were attacked publicly by a gang of men:0
Number of men I know who were attacked publicly by a gang of women:0
Number of women I know who were attacked publicly by a gang of men:0
Number of women I know who were attacked publicly by a gang of women:3 (1 physically attacked by a group of 12!)

Now this sample, statisticaly, is tiny and therefore is too subjective to extrapolate. Still it is from a combination of ones own life experiences and what is publicly discussed that most people get their understanding of the world around them. As discussed before public depictions of women are biased with many things proportionately under reported or described as abberations. How many of these that I personally know about are public knowledge? 0.


Men are more compulsive, not only in theory, but also in practice. An understand of evolution, the history of man, squishes the last part of your paragraph…(resisting the urge to place a bestiality joke here. Oh, by the way…Thank men for AIDS!)

Oh for goodness sake! Thank men for AIDS? Was it just men who ate 'bushmeat' (ie other primates) in Africa that allowed the disease to jump species? No! More men did because often hunters eat bushmeat while hunting and that is when it is more liklely to be carrying live virus, however it is considered a delicacy (and can even be found illegally imported in major US cities!). In many countries now women, especially prostitutes where condoms are not used, are the primary carriers.


I agree with you on this…and why do I agree…because it is men who are much more compulsive about sex than females are. Hence, why females voice concerns about being “used” far more than a male does. Trust me, if a woman is being compulsive about something she is not likely to complain about it….until, of course, other people point it out to her as a problem…should it become a problem.

Ever thought that men might be more sex-obsessed because they are told they have to be? Ever thought that women are more sex-repressed because they are told they have to be?

Something has to explain the significant rise in women being more free with sex, having more one-night-stands etc. Maybe it's because more feel freely able to do so!

[Raquel June]

20 minutes? Not a lot of the guys I know! A guy is considered either bragging or a 'legend' if he can boast of more than twice a day consistently!

Enzyte Bob scoffs at men who take 20 minutes.

[YangGuiFei]

is it just me or do guys only just want to have sex with crossdressers? they never want to commit... they are usually all secretive and date girls like us behind their wives or girlfriend's backs... its really degrading and depressing honestly... anyone have any real luck in holding a guy? i'd be interested in hearing about it...

Sorry to seem counter productive, but it doesn't depress me at all. In fact I think it'd feel great to be desired and chased after. It's one of the true "womanly" feelings. :)

[battybattybats]

Sorry to seem counter productive, but it doesn't depress me at all. In fact I think it'd feel great to be desired and chased after. It's one of the true "womanly" feelings. :)

Being desired is one thing, but if it's enduring love the CD/TG etc is after rather than brief passion I can see how it could be very frustrating.

Perhaps general transphobia is part of the problem? With plenty of guys willing to accept their desire for TGs when it is brief, behind closed doors or down darkened alleys but when it comes to taking them home to meet the parents or the extended friends.. well perhaps they balk at that. Perhaps, to them, either a definate girl (or for that matter a guy) could be accepted by their family and peers but something in between won't do.

[LindaMarie]

I know I'm older (old fashioned) but really, if you stayed away from married men then a lot of your problems wouldn't be there. I know men (and women) lie and cheat but when you find out they're married end it. Emotions and feelings be damned end it!

Good advice for everyone.

[Eugenie]

well this is a difficult one for gurls who like men.
we do just have to accept we are in a niche market, so to speak.
Indeed Becky,

This seems to be the type of "admirers" that we have... This image of "sex objects" is in part due to the publicity made around "*******" call girls or in some place transvestite prostitutes. We have some areas in Paris which are well known for this... :(

The other aspect is that when you Google for X-dressing, you often get porn sites with very provocative ********, which adds to the reputation that x-dressers must be synonymous with cheap and easy sex...

As a result, even when we try to avoid that type of reputation, a lot of men (not all) comme to sites like this one with a devious perception that "all" x-dressers are sex objects...

But there are nice men too... At least I hope...

:hugs:
Eugenie

[Valeria]

There seems to be lots of arguing on this thread about men and women, and sexual behaviors.

FWIW, here are some meaningless stats from psychological studies that have been included in collegiate textbooks and covered in classes I've taken (these stats are based upon Americans):

* Among contemporary adults, 95% of both men and women had premarital sex (according to a 2007 study by the Guttmacher Institute)

* 88% of women born in the 1940’s had premarital sex by age 44
* 91% of women born between 1950-78 had premarital sex by age 30

* In dating relationships (within a supposedly sexually exclusive relationship), 45% of men and 40% of women commited infidelity
* In married relationships, 32% of men and 21% of women commited infidelity

As for women being more likely to be extremely promiscuous, umm, what?

[battybattybats]

I'm not convinced that all or even most 'tranny-chasing' people do so because it's a more deniable form of bisexual encounter.

I recall one of the Australian Big Brother contestants Camilla discussed how she used to fantasise about being with someone with a female body and male genitals before she ever heard of anything like TG's. She thought it was a fantasy notion of her own invention.

This led me to think that perhaps some people are naturally attracted to TG's. That a lot of people have repressed desires for TGs and I think that it is unlikely to be only sexual. I think that rather than thinking we are all about 'easy sex' or 'comfortable bisexuality' it is more that sexual desire is the hardest to deny.

Just as it is through sexual excitement that many of us are forced to acknowledge our transgenderedness I think it is through sexual excitement that many TG admirers are made aware of that aspect of themselves. Just as some of us deny ourselves all but the sexual side of dressing so to I think many people who would fall in love with TGs only allow the sexual side out. Or perhaps it's they keep a lid on everything as tightly as possible but the sexual side is the stuff that can't be fully restrained.

[androgyne]

Meaning if they are having oral or anal sex with a CD/TV then they see the high heels, the lingerie, they smell you, see your pretty made up face, and it is comforting that maybe they aren't completely gay when the reality is that it is all just a charade.

That pretty much describes it, lol.

[Raquel June]

There really are two sides to it, though. I think everybody has a different degree to which they identify with gender, everybody has a different degree of acceptance of homosexuality, and everybody has a different degree of comfort regarding feelings they may have for someone of the same genetic gender persuasion.

I mean, I go to a lot of drag shows. Drag queens seem to be about 90% totally out gay, and about 10% a mix of bi, married and confused, or in the closet. And the hot ones who dance well are usually in the 90%. But I hang out with CDs at these places, because they're really friendly. But then I end up being attracted to the feminine side of the queens, and they end up being attracted to the masculine side of me... And I'm OK with fooling around with guys now and then, but I'm not OK with having a boyfriend. So I don't really let things go too far, but I have made out with the occasional hottie in drag. I really don't think I should let myself mess around with someone in a wig and makeup if I'm not OK messing around with them without the wig and makeup, but I gotta say it's hard to resist sometimes, and the responsibility for behaving reasonably goes both ways.

We are all responsible for our own actions. If you're looking for someone masculine, you know that the more rugged the guy is the higher the chance is that he's not at peace with any sexual feelings he may have towards those with similar genitalia.

I really don't know what I'm talking about, though. I have no idea what I want in life, and it causes me to be constantly flipping between wanting to be very masculine, wanting to be very feminine, and wanting to be asexual.