Calling all GGs! Man in the lingerie department!

[kathy001]

A thought just occured to me as i just got done reading the Sales Associates thread. This here whole forum is loaded with threads and posts from bashful, sweaty and red-faced guys fearing to buy girly things. I've been guilty myself and still am to some degree.

What i'm wondering is what do the GGs viewing these here forums think of all these elaborate schemes, half truths and outright lies some of us come up with just to buy women's clothes. I'm geussing GGs might get a real belly laugh at big brave men fearing to browse in the lingerie dept and i gotta admit its all amusing to me also.
If we CDers take a step back and think on the shenanigans we pull to buy a bra, it really is hilarious at some point....UGH except when plopping that lacy pushup bra on the WallyMart checkout counter....serious as a coronary then!

Now another question, why is it that GGs don't fear buying men's underwear?
There have been times when i was in the only guy in men's underwear section among dozens of browsing GGs looking at boxer shorts. They didn't seem to be intimidated at all! In fact they all look like there having a good time!

GGs,
What do you think when you see a guy browsing in the lingerie dept.?
Are you amused or confused?
Intimidated?
Disgusted?
Feel violated in some way?
Does it affect your browsing the intimate stuff...until the man leaves the area?
etc. etc.

I realize the GGs here are already quite acqainted with the CD community and probably have different opinions from the general GG population.

But still, GGs or anyone, comments or opinions?
This whole subject matter gets curiouser and curioser.

[Joy Carter]

I'm not a GG but I dress like one. LoL. I once went to JC Penny, and was verbally accosted by three younger SA's, while buying panties. I think they thought I'd run away. But I stood my ground and bought what I wanted. I have been out and shopped dressed a few times. But I need to get up the courage to try stuff on in a store.:D

[teresa jeen]

im beginning to see that sales people really dont care. it gives them something to talk about later. of course getting on the closer side to 50 is part of it. i feel that the younger gen. doesnt really have a prob(!!!) with it, we,do.oh gaosh im textg lk them!! wh 2 do??

[Sophie_C]

Well, i've bought clothes for female relatives countless times (legimately) so it doesn't phase me a bit.

Besides, most workers are just plain out bored and waiting for the next customer. People do not realize how much everyone's really into their own lives and don't care what you do...

[Stargirl]

Man buying women's underoos ? I love it ! HE must like women, or he wouldn't want to be anything like one. (unless he's shopping for his blow up doll). Even if he's big and hairy very male, in an early transformation, or just big and hairy with no desire to de bristle, no problem, there, either. Enjoy ! Oh how I would love to watch him all the way through the garter belts, and into the shoe department.
Wigs, jewelry, dress, hat, gloves, jacket, chatting all the while. He's not ashamed, but beaming with joy. The small crowd gathers, and applauds the final "girl". The manager is so impressed, he gives the whole shopping spree to our CD for free ! Then my alarm clock goes off. It's still 2008. At any rate, I enjoyed the experience.

[MsToriJones]

I never really thought about it. people buy clothes for themselves nad for others so I never question why a guy is buying fem things. And I use to buy my stepson's shoes by trying them on because when he was 13 we wore the same size.

and *in my opinion* who cares anyway. MANY "manly" men have worn and do wear pantyhose under their clothing to go hunting, etc to keep warm. I guess it just doesn't bother me so I don't think about it.

ok so as a GG I gave you nothing on this...

Oh but as for women buying men's underthings....well the woman use to be responsible for buying ALL clothing in the family so it was 'normal' for the woman to buy men's underware.

[Kate Simmons]

I always took a "hard line" approach myself and if people in line behind me stared, I stared back. Hey, if it makes them uncomfortable, they can go to another checkout, I'm just fine.:happy:

[Laura Jane]

Now another question, why is it that GGs don't fear buying men's underwear? There have been times when i was in the only guy in men's underwear section among dozens of browsing GGs looking at boxer shorts. They didn't seem to be intimidated at all! In fact they all look like there having a good time!

Now that would be a challenge, dressed enfemme and buying mens underwear!

[RikkiOfLA]

When I go into stores and people watch, I've noticed as many men buying in the lingerie department as in the men's underwear department. Who are they buying for? I don't know and I don't care! They are pulling bras, pantyhose, panties, slips, and everything else. I think it's wonderful!

Blessings,
Rikki

[BETH H]

I would walk around the lingerie dept. what seemed like hours then walk in with heart pounding and start looking a sa would ask if I needed help but I always would say no thanks when I went to pay for my purchase it seemed like every sa would be standing by the register comenting on my purchase with a smile :rolleyes: I would leave and think that wasn't so bad they were probable bored and needed a laugh next step is to ask to try things on that should make there day

beth

[Angie G]

First off I love it in that dept. And most of the time I the only guy in there :hugs:
Angie

[LACD]

I still feel a little uneasy buying lingerie but am now able to browse in relative comfort. I haven't had any really bad or untoward looks from SA's. As far as buying clothes(womens), I have never had any problems. Last time my wife and I went shopping we hit a big sale at Penney's and I had a blast even though I was in drab. I shopped for jeans , took a couple pairs across the store to the mens fitting rooms and tried them on, no problem whatsoever. I even toured the bras and panties in relative ease. Even at the local Wally world I haven't had a problem that I know of. If I gave somebody something to talk about they were leaving somebody else alone.

[Tamara Croft]

It never occurred to me when I was in the lingerie department and a man was in there checking out stuff, I always assumed he was getting it for his wife/girlfriend etc... Now I know better :heehee: and often wonder if he is actually buying for himself lol... didn't bother me then, doesn't bother me now :)

[Dalece]

I just went shopping with a GG friend acouple weeks ago, Dressed and went in and tryed on a dress. no problems.

[waspookie6]

I always took a "hard line" approach myself and if people in line behind me stared, I stared back. Hey, if it makes them uncomfortable, they can go to another checkout, I'm just fine.:happy:
You must be my "good" twin, I love staring other people down. They *always* blink first. :devil:

GGs,
What do you think when you see a guy browsing in the lingerie dept.?
Nothing out of the ordinary. There is 'guy' stuff in there too but it isn't my money he's spending so what's it to me?

Amused or confused?
Neither. I'm usually too busy to pay attention trying to figure if that size 6 is an 8 or 4!
Intimidated?
No. Not unless he's following me around.
Disgusted?
No. Wait. If he hasn't had a shower and smells bad, then I'm disgusted.
Feel violated in some way?
I can't imagine what that would mean. Sorry, I just don't quite get that one.
Does it affect your browsing the intimate stuff...until the man leaves the area?
etc. etc.
Only if he's blocking the asile or a rack which did happen the other day. Have no idea if that guy was shopping for himself or his wife but he refused to move outta the middle of a cramped asile. *That* made me leave to another department but if it were a woman I'd have done the same thing.

Even though I grew up in a more accepting part of the country it really didn't change anything as far as how I feel about it. People buy what they buy, their money, they earned it so they can spend it where they want. Same with me if I'm buying for my DH (obvious size difference) but what is happening are more men buying anything and everything for a home based business. I think SA's are getting quite used to seeing 'guys' buy what may have been considered odd decades before internet commerce - now its just 'business as usual'.

[sandra-leigh]

I still feel a little uneasy buying lingerie but am now able to browse in relative comfort.

For me, getting a SA to help me select a bra was a bit tough on me. Not the buying itself, and not the "guy in a bra department" itself -- if I knew exactly what I wanted, I could buy and pay for it without difficulty, and if I couldn't find the size in something particular then I could ask easily enough. I could even inquire about particular styles of bra in my size (e.g., "I'm looking for a balconette in 36B"). But when I started asking SAs to help me find one where we were talking about the aesthetics (e.g., I want a flowery bra), or (especially) if I'm asking an SA to help me try on bras for fit or look, then it stops being a mechanical interaction and starts becoming an intimate interaction, and that's not at all easy the first several times. When you are in the change-room and the SA is checking out how your "boobs" (natural or forms) look in a bra, then there is really no hiding that you are a guy who really wants to (or does) Have Tits. And who else really gets to see your forms as forms ?? I've tried on 100+ things by now at the local boutique and had the owner or SAs give opinions on how this blouse or that dress or this skirt looks on me, but if they get to see my bra it's because the bra shows through the top: they aren't in there tugging on things and adjusting straps to hide the forms from view. Possibly about the only more intimate thing would be if you had an SA helping you select which panties looked best on you, making adjustments to them to hide your bulge (and most places here won't let you try on panties under any circumstances.)

[Nicki B]

I spent 20+ yrs buying stuff for my other half, before ever buying any for myself - it just never occured to me it should be a big deal, so it never was... :strugglin

I'd always found the women in such places very used to guys not knowing exactly what was needed, or what the differences between things were - and always very ready to help?

[deja true]

Kathy, loved the phrasing of your question, especially because you summed up my feelings exactly before I got brave enough to not care.

I think though, quite seriously, that what the ladies here have illustrated is that your question points out how much we have 'fetishized' the lingerie, so that we then think that we should be timid or afraid to shop for it (or even look at it directly).

Those who shop openly or unafraid have mostly gotten over the fetishistic stage and are becoming more comfortable in their own minds with their dressing.

Interesting insight, I think.

respect & love (for adventure)

deja

[jessicacn74]

i enjoy getting new gril stuff i need to expaned my woredrobe anyway.:hugs:jessica

[Chari]

Matters not who you are or what you are buying! If you have cash (or creditcards) most SA are more interested in making a sale!

Enjoy your shopping spree, Chari

[Di]

Matters not who you are or what you are buying! If you have cash (or creditcards) most SA are more interested in making a sale!

Enjoy your shopping spree, Chari


EXACTLY!!!!!
I asked my daughters what they thought if they saw a guy in the lingerie or womans clothing section just to get another perspective ..they said they would only think they were buying for the g/f's or wifes...and if it was for themselves...so what.....................so while I understand all the elaborate schemes, and stress you put yourself through...it is not necessary.

[amber 07]

I LOVE shopping and wanted to pick something up for the weekend. I was in the area and stopped at Goodwill. I went to the lingerie section and sorted through everything, finally settling on a white lace nightgown. It was see through and totally fabulous, and IT WAS MY SIZE!!! At the checkout counter an older women commented on how beautiful it was and the regret that it was not her size. I turned and replyed with a smile "I hope my fiancee' likes it as much as you do". She smiled and said "oh, she will".

I think sometimes we are intimidated by the very fact of being in possesion of such beautiful things. All it takes is a small disclaimer, and both people walk away feeling good. I'm glad it was too big for her,LOL, it was a wonderful addition to my wardrobe.

[RobCD]

one time I was passing a fredericks of hollywood and saw this wonderful lingerie set that I just had to get. I love sleeping in lingerie.

Anyway when I went to look at it a sales girl came up to me and said if I wanted to try it on it was fine. After that we talked all during the buying process and one customer came up and said she thought it was great that I was brave enough to buy it and that she wished more guys like me had that courage.

I guess I got lucky but still it was very uplifting

[Sandra]

It doesn't bother me at all and it certainly doesn't stop me from carrying on looking.

As for all the schemes etc, why worry about it most of the sales staff aren't bothered who the clothing is for they just want ya money.

[DemonicDaughter]

Most of my shopping experience with any CD I know were either their first few shoppings sprees in which they were looking more for help in finding the correct sizes, styles, etc. as well as wanting to be supported in it. Over time, they eventually dragged me along just for the fun of shopping with me. I can honestly say, I never think about the other shoppers in stores no matter the department but could definitely see how some people feel a bit intimidated if or when they get stares.

Here's the thing that always struck me as odd though... the older CDs I know (if they came out later in life) seemed more determined to do things on their own but also more... (for lack of a better word) shy about starting, where as the younger CDs seemed to jump in though needed more support (friends around them). Any thoughts on why the age would have any play in this?

[joann07]

EXACTLY!!!!!
I asked my daughters what they thought if they saw a guy in the lingerie or womans clothing section just to get another perspective ..they said they would only think they were buying for the g/f's or wifes...and if it was for themselves...so what.....................so while I understand all the elaborate schemes, and stress you put yourself through...it is not necessary.

I strongly agree.
When I went shopping for lingere, in drab, for the first time, I was nervous and tried to think of reasons for making my purchase if anyone asks, but then I realized the SA's don't really care.
The only person that's really making it a big deal is the person who's buying it.
In other words, treat it just like any other purchase, don't act suspicious, and you'll be fine.

Hugs!

[Soulless&Shallow]

I went to a local Danskin store to buy a certain kind of tights that weren't available on their website. I was obviously embarrassed buying them. So I said to the SA helping this must be odd for you a guy buying tights. She said, you have no idea how common you are. I get just as many men buying them as I do women.

[kristinacd55]

My wife was in Target last week, and was behind a guy buying 2 bras. She said she wouldn't have given it a thought 6 months ago(b4 knowing about my cding), but now she smiled to herself & said aha! a cd!

[kathy001]

waspookie Wrote:
Feel violated in some way?
I can't imagine what that would mean. Sorry, I just don't quite get that one.

I geuss what i was trying to ask is if your holding up extremely sexy panty for example and there's a guy also browsing next to you and he notices, do you feel he's picturing you in those panties starting a romantic or even pornographic fantasy in his mind with you? It happens, trust me!

I get a kick out of just watching GGs browsing the lingerie dept. Guilty as charged!..:drooling:...:slap:

[deja true]

"Any thoughts on why the age would have any play in this?"

That seems pretty obvious to my mind, Demonic. Us older guys were brought up in a culture that placed a great deal of importance on the seperateness of gender roles. And anything out of the ordinary was considered suspect. We had to work hard to get and maintain our masculine images. These days, that's not so important. A sharp dresser or someone who took special pride in their appearance back then might easily be seen as 'fruity'.
These days many men take pride in being 'metro-sexuals' and no gender bias is associated with that. This is obvious in the sophisticated big cities, but very rural kids may still be stuck in the 50's peer pressure thing to maintain a manly image.

I blame it on the intra-webs! Thank god Al Gore invented them for us!

deja

[DemonicDaughter]

Thanks Deja, I guess I can understand that. I wonder how it is with people in the middle... lol

[deja true]

people in the middle?

Watch it, girly! 50's is the new 30's ya know!

Harrumph!

deja

[DemonicDaughter]

Yeah but I want to be in the middle!!!!! ;)

[Lilith Moon]

Here's the thing that always struck me as odd though... the older CDs I know (if they came out later in life) seemed more determined to do things on their own but also more... (for lack of a better word) shy about starting, where as the younger CDs seemed to jump in though needed more support (friends around them). Any thoughts on why the age would have any play in this?

Yes. Us older girls have lived through an earlier period when CDing was regarded as the worst kind of deviant behavior and so we have got into the habit of keeping our interests a closely guarded secret.

[DemonicDaughter]

Queen of the Demons! :yrtw:

But I would always think that you would want more of a support system (no pun intended) at any age, and was just surprised how the age difference seemed to be such huge attitude change. I love both but never knew if I should offer more of my time to my older CDing friends or not. They seem so determined and proud (which I love) that I often thought I might be insulting them to offer to join them.

[deja true]

"..think that you would want more of a support system (no pun intended) at any age, and was just surprised how the age difference seemed to be such huge attitude change.."

That's just it, hun. There was no support system until very recently. Read the posts and threads from the girls "of a certain age" and you'll see that we all thought we were alone in the world. And that isolation made us all paranoid and depressed. It was freekin' awful! Read the thread about CDing before the internet, you'll see what I mean. Lonely? Hell, you've never been lonely like that!

Only in the last decade or so have LGBT orgs and other support groups themselves come out of the closet. So us 'cougars' got a lotta baggage to shed and a lotta catchin' up to do. Young beauties like you and your friends can help us a lot. Don't fall victim to an ageism thing. Wrinkled or not, we appreciate you all no end. The easier it is for you, the easier it will get for us. We admire you greatly.

respect & love (for truth and beauty),

deja

[DemonicDaughter]

I can't imagine how horrible it must have been. :( My heart goes out to all of you. Though I understand to the degree of my own experiences, I claim no equality in that sort of situation. I think that's one of the reasons I admire all of you so much. I think my own experiences have taught me to love an individual for whom they are completely but I can't see how I could compare my own to those of this community. I'm just in awe.

[crunchysoda]

I will admit I have my issues w/the lingerie departments. Even being a GG I get nervous shopping. Some of those SA's are very aggressive, I *hate* that. IF I need help Ill ask, just leave me be.

I rather search on my own, even if it takes me awhile. When I was an adolesent it was even worse! I was just embarassed, so I admit when a guy is in VS or whatever, even w/their GF, it makes me feel uncomfortable, I dont know why, it just does.

I guess because I already feel nervous, adding men into the mix just adds to that anxiety. It's like it's private but it's out in public lol so what can you do? nothing. I pretty much never try on bras, or undies on at the stores. I tried on shape wear once and that was a work out bleh.

At the end of the day it's not a big deal, but in the moment I feel weird, you asked so bleh.

[Angie Sweet]

I don't know if others have had the same experiences as I have. When I first started buying my own, I know I looked nervous and was probably sweating something fierce.
After some time, I realized noone cares that I was buying panties, pantyhose...........whatever.
Now I just walk in, look for whatever it is that I want with my head up, willing to look people in the eye.
Just look confident and don't worry, the sales people don't care who the clothes are for.

Angie

[Stargirl]

I love to see the crossdressers of all ages get together, and learn from one another. The younger ones can see where they might be heading, and the older ones can relate to where they may have been. I have met dressers from all age groups, and they have one thing in common : To have fun, and find out who they are. We all go through changes as we age, and I feel that despite the aging ways of all things mortal, life can impart a grace and wisdom (hopefully) to an individual, and a group. (like a fine gift) That being said, we each do the best we can with what we have, at any given moment.

[Cassie Cas]

Once I was in Macy's during a sale. The lingerie department was crowded. I picked a bra and matching panty. While waiting in line to pay, a woman in front of me whispered to the SA "What is he doing here?". Then I heard the SA say sometimes men have to buy bras and panties because their wives are sick or something. I thought that was nice of her to cover for me.

Another time in a different store, I was paying, but it seemed the SA wanted to go out on the floor with me to help me buy more. Sadly, I didn't take her up on her offer.

[Nicole Erin]

Now another question, why is it that GGs don't fear buying men's underwear?
There have been times when i was in the only guy in men's underwear section among dozens of browsing GGs looking at boxer shorts. They didn't seem to be intimidated at all! In fact they all look like there having a good time!



I am not GG but I have the answer to this one -
Those GG's are buying undies for their husbands. Many married men just aren't going to bother buying new undies for themselves. So basically, some GG's have no choice but to shop for men's skivvies. :heehee:

I don't have any probs buying women's underwear. In fact, Last week I needed some new ones. Went to Kohl's, bought 6 new pair of black ones. That is all I bought. No games, cover-up items, or anything.

[Donna Beebs]

The first time I bought panties I was humiliated by the sales associate. I told her I was buying for my non existent wife.
She said, "You're buying these for yourself, aren't you?"

One other time I had to ask specifically for them to sell me the panties. I had women all around me buying for Xmas.

Donna :eek:

[tannkgirrl]

I shop in the lingere dept frequently in many different stores. My latest favorite is Penningtons and as I have been in with my wife and we are drasticly different sizes the clerks must be fairly certain it's not for her. The Manager even suggested I bring a skirt I was trying to match in to make sure they worked together.
Attitude counts for a lot, not cocky or confontational but more of its no big deal. :D

[Jazzmine]

If you had an invalid wife and she said, "Sweetheart, I need new knickers, please go down and buy some at the xxx store", you would just say "yes, sure, anything to help" and go do it. You'd feel fine the whole excursion because "she" said it was OK to do it. And she probably would tell you the exact size and brand to buy and where in the store it was!

Just because you buy for yourself doesn't change the excursion exercise. You're still buying panties. It is all mindset.

So if you want to feel comfortable in the lingerie store, change your mindset!

I just focus on the mission at hand - making a personal choice based on my wants and needs. I love taking the merchandise up to the counter because I love what I purchase - it's rewarding. The SA is there to make sure YOU are happy. We're not there to make THEM happy! If we make them smile, then that's also nice.....

Hugs Jazzmine

[kathy001]

alarmclockgirl GG,
thanks for sharing! For some reason your post is refreshing to me for some reason. :thumbsup:

[shirley1]

I am not GG but I have the answer to this one -
Those GG's are buying undies for their husbands. Many married men just aren't going to bother buying new undies for themselves. So basically, some GG's have no choice but to shop for men's skivvies. :heehee:

I don't have any probs buying women's underwear. In fact, Last week I needed some new ones. Went to Kohl's, bought 6 new pair of black ones. That is all I bought. No games, cover-up items, or anything.

yeh i agree buying womens underwear is easy i think caus it is not uncommon for men to buy underwear for their wives/gfs but not many buy makeup or skirts ect - its a lot more common for ggs to buy their guys clothes - plus women dont have as many ego hangups as men do

[kathy001]

MlleErin Wrote:
I am not GG but I have the answer to this one -
Those GG's are buying undies for their husbands. Many married men just aren't going to bother buying new undies for themselves. So basically, some GG's have no choice but to shop for men's skivvies
Yes, i realize this but why don't women seem to be intimidated whether they have a choice or not? Its got to be a cultural thing or something. :undecided :confused:

But wait i just thought of another one! :rolleyes:
Since the vast majority of SA's are female, that might also might have something to do with it. :daydreaming:

Question:
Would a woman be intimidated if a MALE SA tried to help her out to buy men's underwear? :hmmm:
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Originally Posted by kathy001
Now another question, why is it that GGs don't fear buying men's underwear?
There have been times when i was in the only guy in men's underwear section among dozens of browsing GGs looking at boxer shorts. They didn't seem to be intimidated at all! In fact they all look like there having a good time!

[shirley1]

Yes, i realize this but why don't women seem to be intimidated whether they have a choice or not? Its got to be a cultural thing or something. :undecided :confused:

But wait i just thought of another one! :rolleyes:
Since the vast majority of SA's are female, that might also might have something to do with it. :daydreaming:

Question:
Would a woman be intimidated if a MALE SA tried to help her out to buy men's underwear? :hmmm:
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i doubt it - women wear mens style clothing in everyday life so why would they be embarrassed or feel awkward about buying it for their partners - as mothers they buy their sons clothes ect - maybe single dads who have to buy their young daughters clothes would feel less awkward about it - it is all in our heads that much i am convinced about now thanks to this forum ! some of us are just convinced everyone can read are every thought in our heads and are just waiting to pre judge us !

[brendaisagirl]

I don't think GG's really notice, aleast not me. Sometimes I'm on a mission and only see what I'm looking for. Other times Bre and I are just browsing. She is more comfortable and will even go without me.

[KateSpade83]

When I shop for clothes or lingerie as a guy - I get vibes that I'm gay. Lots of people in Chicago think I'm gay because of this.

[Beth-GDB]

I've bought lingerie often enough now that it doesn't bother me to be seen looking through the racks. For me the hardest part is deciding what items to buy rather than deciding if I will buy anything at all. I'll wander around looking at everything, then pick something and compare it against something else, think about the type of fabric, the color, the cut, the whole business. Compare that with when I buy guy clothes, if I need a new shirt it's a case of "that's in my size and the color is ok, that's good enough", grab it and go. I really do have two very different approaches to buying clothes depending on whether they're GG or guy clothes, and I've gone into stores and bought fem outfits without buying any guy clothes reasonably often, so being seen buying GG clothes isn't a drama for me.

My #1 hangup about buying GG clothing is trying the clothes on in the store first. I have done it, but I can count the number of times on one hand.

[Kelsy]

I love to see the crossdressers of all ages get together, and learn from one another. The younger ones can see where they might be heading, and the older ones can relate to where they may have been. I have met dressers from all age groups, and they have one thing in common : To have fun, and find out who they are. We all go through changes as we age, and I feel that despite the aging ways of all things mortal, life can impart a grace and wisdom (hopefully) to an individual, and a group. (like a fine gift) That being said, we each do the best we can with what we have, at any given moment.

Stargirl,

Thank you for your insight! I would hope as I get older that wisdom self acceptance, and a desire to help others like me find the same would grace my life. as for shopping I like to shop with my wife it eases checkout shock.
" the size 8 shoes are hers and the 12s are mine"

Kelsy

[Nicki B]

Then I heard the SA say sometimes men have to buy bras and panties because their wives are sick or something. I thought that was nice of her to cover for me.

My partner's quadraplegic. So for some of us, it's true?


Thanks Deja, I guess I can understand that. I wonder how it is with people in the middle... lol

It's only a month after Christmas - can we not discuss middles, please? ;)


It is all mindset.

So if you want to feel comfortable in the lingerie store, change your mindset!
...The SA is there to make sure YOU are happy. We're not there to make THEM happy! If we make them smile, then that's also nice.....

:yt: Exactly.. :)




When I shop for clothes or lingerie as a guy - I get vibes that I'm gay. Lots of people in Chicago think I'm gay because of this.

And that's a problem because.... :strugglin