Female crossdressing

[Sapphire]

As difficult as it is to generalise, it would seem that for most crossdressing males the experience of dressing as a female is quite different to that of the female who wears clothing of the type that is most usually worn by men. I’m not at all sure that women experience the same type of satisfaction from crossdressing as we do. In fact it would appear that the phenomenon of male crossdressing, when it is undertaken without any intention of “changing sex” biologically, is just that – a specifically male phenomenon.

I would be interested in the views of others on this subject – including those genetic females who happen to access this forum.

[sissystephanie]

Females have been crossdressing for many years without even realizing that they are doing it. Simply because the "Fashion" Guru's said that is the way they should dress. Example, women wearing trousers or man styled shirts. Women all over do it and nobody thinks twice about it.

But when a man puts on a skirt and blouse, because he is more comfortable dressed that way, it can cause a public uproar. I don't want to be a woman, I just like to dress like one. Women know they can crossdress all they want and nobody will question them. They don't even think of it as crossdressing. More likely, they will be told how modern, or chic, they look!There is a definite double standard regarding clothing.

Personaly, I break the rules a lot by wearing feminine clothing, in public, while definitely looking like a man. And I don't mean just lingerie, which I almost always wear.

Sissy/Stephanie

Girl on the outside, man underneath!

[Stargirl]

I have dressed in male attire, but I would never wish to be a man, physically. Having an inner male component/passenger or fragment for myself is very similar to our MTF embracing the female component within. I feel that so many of them can pass as females, and yet, I am fond of those who are more obviously men sharing the best feminine traits in a manner unique to them.

I have seen masculine looking women dressed as males and felt a bit of a "stir" here and there if you get my meaning. On the other hand, the same goes for my MTF sisters. The attraction isn't necessarily sexual, but there is a recognition of some connectedness.

I love to dress up in men's clothing, but not simply any old thing. I like to feel that I just wandered out of a "strange cafe," and I am on my way to a room full of "like souls." Something classy. No backward baseball caps, and ratty "wife beater" undershirts. Maybe a black hat, a tailored coat, gloves, shirt and tie, suspenders, and, of course, trousers. I will skip the underwear. It would help to have a pocket full of gold coins for the barefoot waifs. And maybe carry a big stick, or have a boy servant who knows how to administer a swift kick to a would - be robber. Naturally, I also delight in dressing as a glamourous woman when the fabric and body co-operate.

[TGMarla]

I love to dress up in men's clothing, but not simply any old thing. ........ Something classy. No backward baseball caps, and ratty "wife beater" undershirts. Maybe a black hat, a tailored coat.....And so the phenomenon does find a lady who thinks like we do, only in reverse. When I crossdress, I don't wear much in the way of casual clothes. I have always been drawn to dresses and skirts, and high heels, and the like. I like to dress very nice, in elegant clothing - what would be considered "dressing up" even if I was really a woman. I'm not really into tank tops, capri pants, tennis shoes, T's, or midriffs, etc. So Stargirl is crossing gender lines in much the same way we do, with a sort-of fantasy to go along with it.

It's pretty familiar stuff, if you ask me. I think a lot of us can relate.

[mistunderstood]

Sapphire there are FTM's out there we our here to. We just our not as many as MTF's, and yes we have same issues as you and yes we want to change our sex more than MTF's and yes I git satifaction from dressing everyday not just once and awhile. I dress in public every day.

[deja true]

Misunderstood and stargirl have both hit on the thing that I have been thinking about all day, too. That there must be women who like to dress as men but that their motivation is much different than ours.

Stargirl is a kind of fantasist who likes to play at being other characters. She's a girl and really likes to be a girl. She also has no agenda concerning transition, she just likes to play. She's a lot like a lot of us. But the only one I've ever run across here. Personally, I think she's adorable and very glad she's here.

misunderstood seems to be more representative of the FTMs I've been reading the threads of here. By and large, they have an urge, a need more like trans-women, in that the cross dressing is more of a philosophical statement of their deep desire for the experience of life in the gender that they were not born in. It's a passionate, very real need that's much, much more than a need just to dress as the opposite gender. They are much more serious than most mtf cds and much more thoughtful and goal oriented. Don't get me wrong. Captain Lex and Keiron are two of the biggest jokesters on this whole site, but they're also some of the deepest and most thoughtful thread starters.

As to all women dressing like men because they now wear pants and button down shirts sometimes? That's a non-starter in a discussion about CD. They're not cross dressing at all. They're wearing what is marketed to them and what is comfortable. Has nothing, nada, nichts to do with cross-dressing.

respect & love

deja

[dominique]

This is one of my biggest gripes women can wear anything they want from skirts through to pants. While men are restricted to one type of clothing. We are the exceptions who like womens clothing and some of us put our head above the parapit and more than likey get shot down because we don't conform to the norm. That's why many of us still hide our passion for womens clothing.

[Myojine]

As difficult as it is to generalise, it would seem that for most crossdressing males the experience of dressing as a female is quite different to that of the female who wears clothing of the type that is most usually worn by men. I’m not at all sure that women experience the same type of satisfaction from crossdressing as we do. In fact it would appear that the phenomenon of male crossdressing, when it is undertaken without any intention of “changing sex” biologically, is just that – a specifically male phenomenon.

I would be interested in the views of others on this subject – including those genetic females who happen to access this forum.

I cant wait for the day where half the high school guys where skirts. if that ever happens i will die a happy woman

[DemonicDaughter]

Ahhh.... a subject I know well. I've done my fair share of crossdressing as well, though like Stargirl, I'm all about the flare. I wear jeans as a woman, but never did as a man. That was always tailored suits, pocket watches and such. But my passion for dressing has more voice in fem-mode. My "everyday" wear is right smack in the middle of both! Though I wear makeup and paint my nails every day, I wear casual men-style shirts, jeans and occasionally trousers.

I can also understand the frustration that its far more acceptable for women to wear male-style clothing but not visa versa. And we are very aware of the cut by the way. But Deja is right, that's what's marketed to us.

What I'm loving most is how a great deal of clothes are now being marketed to both genders. As metro-sexuals are coming more into the limelight, a male in a female cut shirt is slowly becoming more accepted. Though I don't know if a skirt will ever be. :( And that's such a shame.

[ann stef]

It is ironic that a female can wear, ties, vests, suits, pants and a fedora hat, if all have a slight feminum design. A man cannot wear slinky pants, fluffy blouse without objection from his SO.

[CaptLex]

Captain Lex and Keiron are two of the biggest jokesters on this whole site, but they're also some of the deepest and most thoughtful thread starters.
It's the rum, babe :winkp:


As to all women dressing like men because they now wear pants and button down shirts sometimes? That's a non-starter in a discussion about CD. They're not cross dressing at all. They're wearing what is marketed to them and what is comfortable. Has nothing, nada, nichts to do with cross-dressing.
:^5: :koc:


This is one of my biggest gripes women can wear anything they want from skirts through to pants. While men are restricted to one type of clothing. We are the exceptions who like womens clothing and some of us put our head above the parapit and more than likey get shot down because we don't conform to the norm. That's why many of us still hide our passion for womens clothing.
It's a legitimate gripe, but I hope you realize that it's not women's fault - blame our mostly inflexible and homophobic male-dominated culture.

[annekathleen]

Can a female really "crossdress" to a male?
I've seen so many females wearing mens pants, sweaters, shirts, t-shirts,
boots, hats, and jackets, that I don't think anyone really notices.
Unless she wears everything from the mens department which would include mens underwear and t-shirts and socks, and then again, I still don't think anyone really notices.
I guess I have to start checking to see which way the buttons actually button up on her shirt or which way her zipper actually works on her jeans, and still, I don't thing anyone would really notice.

[Julie York]

The major thing that is overlooked every time this conversation comes up is this....

I have yet to hear of a woman who started dressing in men's clothing because it was a sexual turn on. They can be as transgender whatnot as you like, but the motivation wasn't sexual. At least no-one has admitted to it anyway.

Men on the other hand can be as transwhatnot as they please at the age of 5 but it is a rare person indeed who went through puberty without attaching a fetish element to the clothing.

[Myojine]

I have a friend who wear nothing but guys stuff...she refuses to wear panties even...the only thing femme that she wears are bras. i guess you could call her a crossdressor but still girls are allowed to do that stuff.

kinda off topic but with guys underwear and boxers what the heck is that openning in front what purposes does it server? i have never used it

[zann]

I agree for non trans women there is not much of a "feeling" to wearing what used to be mens clothing. May be b\c it is now standard for them. The feeling must vary for the trans, Men or Women, -vested(cross dresser) some component of sexuality, for the transgender a sensation of rightness or absence of anxiety associated with the presentation as the wrong sex. What do you think?

[Wickanne GG]

...As to all women dressing like men because they now wear pants and button down shirts sometimes? That's a non-starter in a discussion about CD. They're not cross dressing at all. They're wearing what is marketed to them and what is comfortable. Has nothing, nada, nichts to do with cross-dressing....

Like many things on this site, your comments apply to some, maybe even the majority, but it doesn’t apply to all. People making this assumption have made it quite easy for people like me to fly under the radar.
In the early days, it was no easier for a woman to do than it is for a male to do now. We faced hatred, violence, discrimination, and it was assumed that we were some sort of “freak”. Nevertheless, like many wanting change we stood our ground and took and overcame anything that was used to try to roadblock us. I never, for a second, buckled to the demands of society with regard to MY CHOICE of clothing.


Can a female really "crossdress" to a male?

Yes, just as male can really “crossdress” to female.


I've seen so many females wearing mens pants, sweaters, shirts, t-shirts,
boots, hats, and jackets, that I don't think anyone really notices.
Unless she wears everything from the mens department which would include mens underwear and t-shirts and socks, and then again, I still don't think anyone really notices.
I guess I have to start checking to see which way the buttons actually button up on her shirt or which way her zipper actually works on her jeans, and still, I don't thing anyone would really notice.

Hopefully, one day men will also know the freedoms we women fought for.

Julie York – Why does it have to be sexual? Are you saying that because someone (a woman in this case) does not attach sexual feeling to clothing that they are not a cross-dresser. I am just trying to understand what you are saying.
Perhaps for some the motivation is not sexual and for some it is…for some it may be for a sense of comfort…others, a sense of power…and for others it’s because it just feels so damn right…and the list of reasons could continue. My reasons are a combination of the aforementioned.

You mention "fetish". A fetish doesn't necessarily have a sexual element to it.

Like Myojine’s friend, I refused to wear female undies…for years I wore nothing. Then one day my “male instincts” noticed female underwear and how sexy they are and, even better, how sexy they felt to wear...in a fetish way. (Some would call that a MTF sexual motivation.) Some would say that it was a FTM discovering her femme side. Whatever it is, I really don’t care. I like all underwear from one piece white thermals to black satin thongs.

There are as many motivators/reasons for FTM as there are for MTF there just isn’t as many female CDers as there are male CDers.

:love:
Wickanne

[Mariah]

my 2cents, Womens fashion, vs mens cloths. simple, a Woman has the choice or Mens cloths or wemens fashon. men have mens cloths, mens cloths are design for protecting from the weather, not much fashion in it
wemen wear mens cloths not for fashion it's functional thats it that's why they started wearing jeans in the 1800's to help the husband mine gold.

kind of silly if you think about it most wemens fashion have less to do with function an more of look at me I'm sexy type deal. (or look at me I'm better than you etc) it's statment cloths, to tell mood, sexuallty,ect. and if you look at lot of the cloth there really not fuctional in day to day living Wail mens is 100% functional even the "fashion" cloths. and dress cloths.

now I'm going to run and hide because I just pissed off all the boys here :P

keris

[mistunderstood]

Keris you are partly right mens clothes are better suited to every day life. They are also warmer and better able to cover bumms. But when it comes down to it clothes are not the sole focus of the FTM's like it is for MTF's. We do not always care what we wear as long as it helps us pass. I wear the clothes but It is what's going on in my head that is what counts. I can were mens clothes and not pass but I can were womens clothes and get sir'ed. So for me it is mens clothes because I do ot feel right in my own skin when I do not. Also yes there are a few things I wear that I feel sexy in( for lack of better words).
Just my:2c:

[CaptLex]

now I'm going to run and hide because I just pissed off all the boys here :P

keris
:confused:

Why? What did you say? That mens' clothes are more functional, and women's clothes are more showy? What's wrong with that? :raisedeyebrow:

[Julie York]

Julie York – 1) Why does it have to be sexual? Are you saying that because someone (a woman in this case) does not attach sexual feeling to clothing that they are not a cross-dresser. I am just trying to understand what you are saying.
Perhaps for some the motivation is not sexual and for some it is…for some it may be for a sense of comfort…others, a sense of power…and for others it’s because it just feels so damn right…and the list of reasons could continue. My reasons are a combination of the aforementioned.

2) You mention "fetish". A fetish doesn't necessarily have a sexual element to it.

3) There are as many motivators/reasons for FTM as there are for MTF there just isn’t as many female CDers as there are male CDers.

:love:
Wickanne
Point 1) What I am saying is that the reason women 'crossdress' (if they are actually crossdressing in its purest form: i.e. wearing clothing recognised to belong to the opposite sex) is not the same reason men crossdress....generally. You appear rather unique if you find women's undies sexually exciting. You're a crossdressing male trapped in a woman's body. :D...who crossdresses.:eek:

But I bet there aren't many others out there or there'd be an entire website, Yahoo Group and My Space dedicated to the fetish fun of women being turned on by wearing men's clothing. [Maybe there is. Anyone know the link?!!!]. From what I have read on the forum the majority of women wear men's clothing, either because they are particularly FtM transgendered/transexual, or because they don't even regard it as men's clothing and certainly don't intend to represent themselves as male. And I've never heard of a woman secretly dressing up in a suit, watching the football, and smoking cigars with her curtains drawn while her husband is at work etc.

Point 2) A fetish is understood by 99% of the population to be sexual in nature unless stated otherwise. I was just using the commonly used definition. Common to male CDs is a fetish element even if it is a passing one. Common to female CDs is a LACK of fetishistic association with male clothing.

3) I agree, the motivations of women crossdressing in the proper sense of the word, are as varied as for male crossdressing but the motivations are different. That's what I was getting at. You can't compare like with like if they aren't alike in the first place.

[Mariah]

ah lex and mis, sorry my wording is off I did not mean "the boys" :P I mean the boys as in the crossdressin non tg/ts group. sorry for the confusion.

*hugs* sorry guys.
keris

[crunchysoda]

You know male models are becoming more and more popular and w/that their FASHION is becoming more about just functionality.

There are some really gorgeous men's wear out there, tons of cuts, colors, styles ect ect.

I just dont buy that men's clothing is just boring and blah. :rolleyes:

Also I am not crossdressing because I wear jeans, that's the biggest bunch of bs ever. :love:

And in "general" Ftm who cd their reasons/mindset for doing it is different than most MtF cd'ers, most not all. In my limited experience (well not even experience but w/friends and the knowledge Ive learned along the way, which maybe faulty to of course but anyway) it is totally different than the MtF cder's.

Also to say that a woman CDing can just wear all dude clothes and no one blink an eye?? That's a bunch of bs too!

Im so sick of the "FtM's have it easier than Ftm's" rant and Im not even FtM.
Both have issues and difficulties they are just different and some the same.

Clear as mud really.

What is the point of all this anyway?

[Julie York]

What is the point of all this anyway?

Yeah I forgot too. If you read the original post....it sort of wobbled a bit off topic here and there but it was a good question if we all concentrate hard enough. Sapphire asked if we thought women get the same thing from crossdressing as men do.
I said no.

[Wickanne GG]

...I’m not at all sure that women experience the same type of satisfaction from crossdressing as we do....

Would you define "same type of satisfaction" with some examples because I am inclined to say Yes and No depending on the specific type of satisfaction.
As an overall sense of satisfaction I am inclined to say yes. Is it too late for you to add a mini poll to this thread? Hmmm, how does one rate their sense of satisfaction with their lifestyle and then compare it with someone else's sense of satisfaction :straightface: My 9 may be their 6...okay...I'll stop thinking now.

Keri – I don’t think anyone can give a reasonable argument against what you said. One only needs to study the history of fashion to know you are correct…although men did go through a corset stage. I suppose when they discovered just how un-functional a corset was, at that time, they were quickly discarded.

Misunderstood – “I can were mens clothes and not pass but I can were womens clothes and get sir'ed.”
Me too, especially if my hair is cut short. It never bothered me but it did bother my ex…guess that’s why he’s my ex :heehee:

Julie York – “You appear rather unique if you find women's undies sexually exciting.”
Hmmm, what would I be if I find it very hot when my MTF partner wears stockings? I admit it; I do have a major stocking fetish…in all ways “fetish” is defined.
“You're a crossdressing male trapped in a woman's body. ...who crossdresses."
:GD:…I suppose it is something like that.
“And I've never heard of a woman secretly dressing up in a suit, watching the football, and smoking cigars with her curtains drawn while her husband is at work etc.”
That’s so 70’s….we don’t have to hide it anymore. :D

:love:
Wickanne

[Mariah]

wickanne: I love how you shortend my name it looks cool! but yes even up to the us civil war the officers would wear (forget the name) but the male equ to a corset, to give them a bee like shape. in romain/greek times everyone had toga (a dress if you think about it), the scotts have kilts(or a scott ver of the toga), up in the renneeasonce(sp) men of finer linage wore dresses. *shrugs*

just culture right now does not want men in dresses. but as alarmclockgirl GG pointed out male FASHION is get a nice start. since it's fashion both men and wemen can wear it. and there's now Wemans Cloths (t-shirts jean ect) that most will not batt a eye at a guy wearing.

keris

[Kate Simmons]

Ya know it's funny. When I got out of High School and started working in a factory I used to be accused by my workmates of being a "male impersonator." Little did they know I was exactly the opposite and that always brought somewhat of a smirk to my face. We all have different reasons for doing what we do and wearing what we wear but freedom to be ourselves is the important thing and everything else is just a matter of choice in my opinion and I accept everyone for who they are.

I've never personally met any women who crossdress as guys just for the experience but I'm sure they are out there. Good for them I say as long as it makes them happy. Even so, we cannot think we are the only ones who get "flack" for what we do, that would be somewhat self centered. Never for a moment think that we as male to female crossdressers are the only ones looked down upon, it just ain't so. Years ago if a woman even thought of wearing anything remotely connected with being men's things she was berated and/or castigated. I never want to return to that, never in a million years. We've come pretty far in many ways, let's keep moving forward.:happy:

[Dena]

I've always said that guy's clothes are more practical and girl's clothes are more fun!

Girls generally are exposed to all the different fabrics and sensations so it's not really a big deal to them IMO. Guys can go through their whole lives and never know what many clothes feel like. So it can be somewhat thrilling when we discover how lingerie and dresses feel to wear.