What's the difference?

[susancheerleader]

So I was BUSTED hard buy a former friend. No one knows I like to dress, especially him. He is one of those very rough and tough kind of guys.
Anyway, I was home and he came over unexpectedly and let himself in as most people do.
But this time I was all dressed up!

It surely took him by surprise. The look on his face was more like one of horror.
He yelled out. "Holy s***! What are you a transvestite?"
I replied "No, I am a cross-dresser."
He answered that with "Transvestite... cross-dresser. What's the difference? Only fagots dress like woman."
Well it went down hill fast from there. It got ugly, and hence the "former friend."
One thing I am NOT, is gay by any means.

But he did get me wondering about that.

What is the difference from a transvestite and a cross-dresser?

[Emily Anderson]

Sorry to hear you got busted. That sucks royally!

There is no difference between a TV and a CD, and there's no point in declaring your not gay. It doesn't really matter either way.

The important thing is how you're going to deal with the situation.

[Roberta Llyan]

What is the difference from a transvestite and a cross-dresser?

The ONLY difference I know is how you spell the two words. Otherwise, they are the same.

[Deanna2]

Big OOPs on being sprung, but the guy doesn't seem to have been very friendly. So maybe you're better off with him as a former friend anyway.

As to the terms they both infer negative sentiments. Perhaps CD is a softer term. But, hey, don't get me started on labels.

[Nicole Erin]

Explain to him that you could kick his ass even in your best Sunday dress.
That will make the situation much better. :heehee:

No but for real, he will get over it.
He will also probably never just walk in to someone's home without knocking first.

Oh yeah about TV vs CD -
From what I understand, a TV is a straight guy who concentrates mostly on the smallest aspects of CD'ing like wearing undergarments but has no intention of presenting as woman, a purely sexual thing.
CD's tend to want to present as women as much as we can.

So I guess it comes down to different levels. Who knows, this is just what I have always understood it to be...

[susancheerleader]

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought there was. I thought a transvestite was someone who feels they are a women in a mans body, and a cross-dresser was someone who just enjoys wearing womans clothing.
So he was right with that.
But not his last part. We are not all "gay" as he put it. (I am not using the "f" word again.)

[docrobbysherry]

Susan, this is why so many of us stay in the closet. Close minded friends and family!
I'm sorry! That must leave u feeling very worried! Will he tell everyone?

[sandra-leigh]

Transvestite is the term from the medical establishment, and is defined by the american diagnostic manual (can't remember the right name at the moment) as having a 'fetish' involving wearing the clothes of the other gender; 'fetish' being used there in a medical sense meaning something that is necessary or virtually necessary for you in order to function sexually. But the diagnostic manual has very low standards for "diagnosing" transvestitism: if you Dress Up more than 3 times in your life, even if they have nothing to do with sexual situations, then you are so labeled.

Because the diagnostic manual is a disorder about fetishism, those for whom dressing is not a fetish (in the technical sense above) decided to create a more public-relations friendly term, and came up with "crossdresser". Crossdresser does not inherently imply fetishism. Sure lots of guys get a sexual thrill out of crossdressing, especially when they are relatively new to it, but if your dressing extends beyond sexualism, then most people around here would use the term crossdresser instead.

[susancheerleader]

Susan, this is why so many of us stay in the closet. Close minded friends and family!
I'm sorry! That must leave u feeling very worried! Will he tell everyone?


I doubt he would say anything. That would put him in the spot of explaining how or why he was a (former) friend to a cross-dresser for 30+ years. He likes his "macho" image.

[Sinthia]

According to Websters . . . A crossdresser wears clothes meant for the opposite sex. A transvestite is a person who derives sexual pleasure from dressing in clothes of the opposite sex. But I am so happy when wearing dresses and skirts, don't call me a crossdresser, call me a happy dresser!

[Vivian Best]

What is the difference from a transvestite and a cross-dresser?Hi Susan,

I think one can make the case there is no difference in the definition of the two words.

It is my understanding that transvestite is a french word or a derivative of a french word. Breaking the word down into two parts you get "trans" meaning cross as in "trans Atlantic crossing" and vestite meaning something close to "clothing". I think you can correctly guess what crossdressing means. So you can see how similar in definitions the two are.

Hope this helps.

[Ibuki_Warpetal]

The definitions of transvestite requiring fetishism are sorely outdated.

We of the transgender community must make it our duty to define the major umbrella terms that describe us as innocuously as possible.

As far as we are concerned, transvestite = crossdresser, meaning someone who intentionally wears clothing designed for the opposite sex. The reason or motive is unimportant.

[occdresser]

Big OOPs on being sprung, but the guy doesn't seem to have been very friendly. So maybe you're better off with him as a former friend anyway.

As to the terms they both infer negative sentiments. Perhaps CD is a softer term. But, hey, don't get me started on labels.

:iagree:

[Rachaelb64]

May he was just upset you looked better in dress than he did :devil:

Labels are those who like an ordered society so let chaos reign :devil:

[trannie T]

If you examine the words, 'trans' and 'cross' mean basically the same thing as do 'dress' and 'vest.' There is no real difference in meaning, it is only a matter of personal preference.

[Alex!]

Caution - don't speak for all of us. I find the word transvestite offensive. I consider myself a crossdresser.

The words mean different things to different people, so to say they are the same is not accurate. "Transvestite" is an outdated word that sounds like a disease to me. Crossdresser more accurately describes what I do without the "added baggage."

I don't have issues with labels per se, but I do prefer to be the one labeling myself. :)

As a policy wonk and someone who deals in foreign affairs, I can assure you that words mean a great deal - parsing them up into pieces to trace origins is one thing, but words also have significant cultural meanings not always understood by everyone.

[DonnaT]

Transvestite is derived from Latin and means cross dress. (from Latin trans-, "across, over" and vestere, "to dress or to wear") and coined in 1910 in Magnus Hirschfeld's book "Die Transvestiten : eine Untersuchung über den erotischen Verkleidungstrieb" ("The transvestites : an investigation of the erotic urge to disguise").

Finding the term to be offensive is just playing into the hands of the uneducated. And it means you are allowing non-trans individuals to not only label us, but also to define us.

Transvestite is the term used mostly in the UK, and none of the TVs consider it to be offensive. Crossdresser was coined by Virginia Prince (Tri-Ess founder) in the 1970's due to the negative conotation the trans community permitted others to associate with the term transvestite.


Transvestites are not in the DSM (only fetishistic transvestites are, and I’ve yet to meet anyone who fits that description). As . . . one of our MHB board faithful clarified, “…the word “transvestite” was coined by Magnus Hirschfeld circa 1910, was used as a broad, entirely non-judgmental term that would encompass what today would really be considered the entire tg spectrum, and was *not* invented by the psychiatric profession to pathologize or perversify people.”

http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/?p=240

[Stormgirl]

Where does this asshole live? I will bring along a few Marines and we'll see who's "tough." Glad you aren't his friend anymore, you don't need ignorant jerks like that in your life. Let him live in the dark. :Angry3:

[Jamie001]

We don't need friends like that!! That is not a real friend. You will findout quickly who your real friends are and it is a good thing.



Susan, this is why so many of us stay in the closet. Close minded friends and family!
I'm sorry! That must leave u feeling very worried! Will he tell everyone?

[Wenda]

sorry to hear about your 'former friend', Susan. As most of the previous posts have stated, 'transvestite' and 'crossdresser' basically mean the same thing. In my world, however, a transvestite, a 'Trannie', implies someone who is out and about when dressed, and deliberately tries to pass as feminine. A 'crossdresser' is someone who is not professional, and dresses because they feel like itl In other words, a transvestite is a professional crossdresser. No science, that's just how I interpret the two words.
Even less provocative than crossdresser, is 'female impersonator', a term which I have used, but which also implies that I dress on stage, which I have done. w.

[MarciManseau]

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought there was. I thought a transvestite was someone who feels they are a women in a mans body, and a cross-dresser was someone who just enjoys wearing womans clothing.
So he was right with that.
But not his last part. We are not all "gay" as he put it. (I am not using the "f" word again.)

I don't think so - a transvestite is not someone who feels they are a woman in a man's body, that's a transsexual - and I know because I'm one of them.

As far as I can tell, CD and TV are the same - TV is just more clinical sounding, so most prefer CD because it's more accepted.

[DemiRose]

Let him go to hell!

I belive that "transgender person" is the solution. Shortly TG, but really "burn motherf...., burn".

And it is really your business whta are you doing in your bedroom!

In ancient Athens anyone who used to wear womens clothes, was considered a woman!

Cheers

[Emily Anderson]

From my limited understanding, transvestite was the original word, and was most often associated with drag-queen performance artists and male prostitutes. When CD's became more well-known in society, they started to use the term crossdresser to avoid being negatively associated with comedy routines and sex.

Of course, we may enjoy comedy routines and sex, but we probably don't want everyone to think that's what it's all about :-)

[Natalia]

A TV is that box with the pictures and sound in your living room.

A CD is the shiney round plastic thing that you play in your stereo.

I'm a guy in a dress.

[Annaliese]

Sorry, he is just a BH (bone head) how is that for a lable.

Hugs Anna

[visualdelight]

par for the course. Anything out of the ordinary creates fright for them. It's too bad.

[Bootsiegalore]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestism

Above is the link to the definition!

Tara

[tgirlinva]

I actually started a thread not so long ago asking what I was, whether TG, TV, TS, or CD. What I came to find out though is that I was a TG. But I think the most wrongly used term is "TS". A lot of people seem to think that "TS" means that you're full-time and that you have breasts, long natural hair, and perhaps are on HRT and have undergone SRS. I personally think TS and TG are as interchangeable as TV and CD are.

[Nicki B]

This thread proves that we all use these labels differently - which is why they so often cause offence.

Mind, if we can't even agree terms amongst ourselves, we can't really blame the rest of the world for not understanding us? :idontknow:



PS - it's rather dangerous to assume that what Wikipedia says is the truth? It's only ever the sum of people's opinions (sometimes very biased ones)..

[Emily Anderson]

With reference to Wikipedia...

Mein Gott!

I never realized I had violated heteronormative bounds. I should be spanked, like a naughty schoolgirl :devil:

Jahwohl!

[bobi jean]

all of the "research" (not really all that much) I have done would indicate that this is a crossdresser,65131
and this is a trasvestite.65132
can you see the differance.

[jaina]

Absolutly no difference, people just wanted a new word.

[MarciManseau]

all of the "research" (not really all that much) I have done would indicate that this is a crossdresser,65131
and this is a trasvestite.65132
can you see the differance.

I Knew it had something to do with plants :D

[MJ]

Where does this asshole live? I will bring along a few Marines and we'll see who's "tough." Glad you aren't his friend anymore, you don't need ignorant jerks like that in your life. Let him live in the dark. :Angry3:

I am so glad you all my friends :D

[Ressie]

It sounds like you left your door unlocked allowing your friend to let himself in. It's probable that you wanted to be discovered unconciously. Does this sound right?

TV and CD are the same as it's been explained by some of the posts so well.

[Julie York]

all of the "research" (not really all that much) I have done would indicate that this is a crossdresser,65131
and this is a trasvestite.65132
can you see the differance.


Oh ********. I just did the crossword now this.




(Ah..there's one button less on a transvestite!! HAH!)

[TSchapes]

I was home and he came over unexpectedly and let himself in as most people do.
But this time I was all dressed up!


Does this seem like a good way to break the news? Especially if he is a good friend? I posted on my blog how not to out yourself with a postcard like this:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_nJAu11g-xhg/R9XvQ-ZI6iI/AAAAAAAAADA/bzXg1B78l_I/s400/Post+Card+Front+Letters.JPG
http://bp0.blogger.com/_nJAu11g-xhg/R9XxueZI6lI/AAAAAAAAADY/kObIFFifhf0/s400/Post+Card+Back+Letters.JPG

I'll have to add this one to my list.

It's better to talk to someone first before hitting them full on. What did you expect? Talk to them first, ask them if they know what a crossdresser is. Do they know that most are heterosexual? Or just, what do you know about crossdressers? We need to be better ambassadors of our cause. Or we will continue to be in the closet.

:2c:

Tracy

[susancheerleader]

A TV is that box with the pictures and sound in your living room.

A CD is the shiney round plastic thing that you play in your stereo.

I'm a guy in a dress.

ROLMAO--- Thats great. :)

[susancheerleader]

It sounds like you left your door unlocked allowing your friend to let himself in. It's probable that you wanted to be discovered unconciously. Does this sound right?



I live in a small town. EVERYONE leaves thier door unlocked when they are home.
Most even leave it unlocked when they are not home. I've seen my neighbors with doors WIDE OPEN and they aren't home.

[Nicole Erin]

Another explanation -

"Transvestite" is also often a pr0n term for CD, like "she male" is the pr0n term for "transsexual".

[susancheerleader]

...like "she male" is the pr0n term for "transsexual".

Which to me is just as vulagar as being called a fagot.

I guess what bothers one person doen't bother the next.



This thread proves that we all use these labels differently - which is why they so often cause offence.

Mind, if we can't even agree terms amongst ourselves, we can't really blame the rest of the world for not understanding us? :idontknow:)

I couldn't agree more!

[Celeste]

Reacted with a look of horror,I think its funny,just think how he would have acted had you flashed him or something.Yea, Id mess with his head a bit,tell him you know a nice cd who thinks hes real sexy.

[Dalece]

May he was just upset you looked better in dress than he did :devil:

Labels are those who like an ordered society so let chaos reign :devil:

Your probably more man than he is well you know where. Stupid jock types anyway.

[JessieB]

Oh yeah about TV vs CD -
From what I understand, a TV is a straight guy who concentrates mostly on the smallest aspects of CD'ing like wearing undergarments but has no intention of presenting as woman, a purely sexual thing. CD's tend to want to present as women as much as we can.

So I guess it comes down to different levels. Who knows, this is just what I have always understood it to be...Sorry, wrong answer.


I doubt he would say anything. That would put him in the spot of explaining how or why he was a (former) friend to a cross-dresser for 30+ years. He likes his "macho" image.Of course you know the guy and we don't, but based on your description of his reaction, I would guess that you are about to be outed big time. Hope I'm wrong, but you might want to be thinking about damage control.

[Nicki B]

Sorry, wrong answer.

Perhaps, rather than just viewing our own individual definitions as the right ones, we could use this thread to progress things and agree on which ones to all use - or perhaps we need a poll.. :idontknow:

[Daphne]

Ok I maybe wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me. But the question I think you have to ask yourself Susan is this: Are you physicaly attracted to men or woman?
AS far as I'm concerned, that is what sepperates us from them.

[Emily Anderson]

Ok I maybe wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me. But the question I think you have to ask yourself Susan is this: Are you physicaly attracted to men or woman?
AS far as I'm concerned, that is what sepperates us from them.

I'm not sure what the "us and them" is all about? As far as I'm concerned, whether you're TV/CD/TG/TS and others I may have missed, just about any combination of gender identity and sexual orientation is possible.

So long as we keep trying to plaster labels on everything that moves, especially amongst ourselves, we'll never achieve any recognition in the real world.

[Amy Hepker]

The old word and the new word are the only difference. I would contact him and tell him straight up I AM NOT A FAGOT!!! I AM NOT GAY!!! Yes, I am a crossdresser or transvestite, but I am not Gay!!!

Just let him know. I have a friend that I told one time and he also was a ruff and tuff guy, but since I told him he was cool about it and understood that I was not gay.

[Emily Anderson]

What's the issue with being gay? None as far as I'm concerned. Whether you are or not is irrelevant. As for faggot, it's just a derogative word.

Susan, I'm sure you know this. You can rise above name-calling and stupid behaviour. You may even find that with time, your "former friend" calms down and apologizes. He's obviously a macho guy and his ego was hurt to think that he'd been friends with you and didn't know this about you. He's probably also scared like hell (homophobic) that you may have fancied him.

[MarinaTwelve200]

Transvestite is the term from the medical establishment, and is defined by the american diagnostic manual (can't remember the right name at the moment) as having a 'fetish' involving wearing the clothes of the other gender; 'fetish' being used there in a medical sense meaning something that is necessary or virtually necessary for you in order to function sexually. But the diagnostic manual has very low standards for "diagnosing" transvestitism: if you Dress Up more than 3 times in your life, even if they have nothing to do with sexual situations, then you are so labeled.

Because the diagnostic manual is a disorder about fetishism, those for whom dressing is not a fetish (in the technical sense above) decided to create a more public-relations friendly term, and came up with "crossdresser". Crossdresser does not inherently imply fetishism. Sure lots of guys get a sexual thrill out of crossdressing, especially when they are relatively new to it, but if your dressing extends beyond sexualism, then most people around here would use the term crossdresser instead.

The Psychological definition of Transvestite I am familiar with Is that of a crossdresser who IS NOT Homosexual. Both straights and gays can and do CD, but a TV is a STRAIGHT guy who CDs

CD and TV are effectively the same term, TV being the more formal one., in less formal speech, we use TV to describe a more sexual turn-on "fetish" driven form of CD.

The fetish aspect of TV/CD however is more from the older days of the "single cause" approach to defining why straight guys want to dress as women--"They have a fetish for women's clothing". Nowadays, we know SEVERAL OTHER different reasons why guys CD,eg. "Identity escapisim", "Taboo tripping", "humiliation S/M", etc., besides Fetishes.

There is also CDing involved with "fem-sider" types, Bisexualisim, and different degrees of transsexualisim.

Many Therapists, However, especially those who dont specialize in gender related issues, usually adhere to the older literature--wherin a straight CD is a transvestite and THAT is due to "fetishisim"--and all other CDs are TS or gay.-----Indeed some Non-specialist thrapists think ALL CD is gay related. Ignorance abounds even amoung those who we think should know better---thats why its important to choose therapists carefully.

Indeed, ironically, its hard to figgure out WHY a gay guy, interested men and "manly things" would want to CD at all---but we have ALL seen it--a big mystery of life.

Bottom line TV has 3 definitions: TV=CD who is not TS or Gay. TV=a straight CD who has a fetishthat causes CDing, Or simply, TV=CD.(----this may vary on either side of the pond and in formal vs casual speech.)

[Bootsiegalore]

all of the "research" (not really all that much) I have done would indicate that this is a crossdresser,65131
and this is a trasvestite.65132
can you see the differance.


So its the plant!

[Bootsiegalore]

Absolutly no difference, people just wanted a new word.

How about transdresser! There is a NEW WORD!

Tara

[CD Susan]

As you have already heard there is no difference between tv or cd, it is just a label and that means nothing. The issue that I see in all of this is why would you allow someone to just walk in on you unannounced when you do not want to be interrupted? I think you were naive in thinking that this would not happen and at the same time that your friend was rude in just letting himself in unannounced. This is what door locks were made for!!!!! If you feel bad about this then blame yourself, think about it. I think both you and your friend showed bad judgement in this situation.

[susancheerleader]

I won't debate whether I was right or wrong keeping my door unlocked. That is part of living in a small community where people are comfortable with keeping their doors unlocked. I've done it all my life, my family has, my friends have.

As for getting busted, that was a very unfortunate situation. I keep myself in the closet just because of people like my former friend. People expect men to be men, and women to be women. Any deviation is not part of the norm and people will react.
That too is probably part of a small town attitude.

I am disappointed in this whole deal. But it is what it is. I can't go back and change it. I can only learn from it and move on.

[Seville]

Caution - don't speak for all of us. I find the word transvestite offensive. I consider myself a crossdresser.

Same here...

[Tracy Hazel Lee]

Sorry to hear that you were busted.... that is a nightmare for many of us.

But the 250,000 dollar question on my mind is ;

What the hell was your door doing unlocked if you were running around your house dressed!?? :eek:

[susancheerleader]

Ok I maybe wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me. But the question I think you have to ask yourself Susan is this: Are you physicaly attracted to men or woman?
AS far as I'm concerned, that is what sepperates us from them.


I am physically attracted to women.

[susancheerleader]

What the hell was your door doing unlocked if you were running around your house dressed!?? :eek:


I very very very rarely get company so I didn't even think I needed to.

Guess I was wrong...... :doh:

Anyway, despite my mistake, it did bring on a good discussion. :)

[VtVicky]

There have been a lot of good answers to the CD vs. TS question. But, in the end, there is still some confusion.

Try this, and see if it helps any: Crossdressing describes a specific behavior. It is an umbrella term that includes everything from the occasional fetish to the professional Drag Queen. It merely describes wearing the garments of the opposite sex.

A transvestite is a person who practices the behavior of crossdressing. But, this person's cding does not necessarily reflect an inner gender dysphoria, (as a transexual), or a profession, (as a Drag Queen, for example.), or a sexual preference.

Under the general heading of Transvetite, you have such specific types as fetishistic transvestites and transexuals. The transgender community falls into this catagory when they choose to crossdress. (Yes, there are people who are gender dysphoric who do not choose to crossdress.)

A lot of the confusion comes when we try to use a verb as a noun, (crossdress becomes crossdresser), or a noun as an adjective. (Transvestite becomes transvestic fetishist.)

And, as has been pointed out many times, it is often the least informed in the politically correct community, that gets to make up the definitions.

I believe it was Terry Wogan, (Famous British radio disc jocky who went on to become an even more famous TV, (NO! not that 'TV'; television) personality), who once said that: "There are two types of people in this world. The rightous, and the unrightous. The problem is, the rightous seem to think they get to define who is who." I think there is a parallel concept here for us.

Obviously, this is a pretty brief offering, and certainly not all inclusive. But I hope it helps a little.

[JessieB]

Perhaps, rather than just viewing our own individual definitions as the right ones, we could use this thread to progress things and agree on which ones to all use - or perhaps we need a poll.. :idontknow:Well, I wasn't trying to hammer anyone -- guess I should have used a smiley face to indicate that I was being playfully flippant. An oversight I guess. But since you press the issue, I didn't post an individual definition, and an extremely narrow definition (based on just about everything I've ever seen or heard) is precisely what I responded to. Besides, I was under the impression that the terminology in question, far from being an unresolved issue awaiting some sort of vote, has been amply and suitably defined both formally and informally for quite some time, and that information is readily available to anyone willing to do even a tiny bit of research. Besides, I really don't think limiting the term "transvestite" to a sexual preoccupation with underwear progresses things very much. :)

As for my own personal definitions, as far as I know someone could call me a transvestite or a crossdresser and be essentially correct either way. I really don't care. For that matter, they can call me a sissy or a fag without offending me, even if that is their intent, and even though neither of those terms is all that accurate. As long as they don't decide I should be locked up or killed, I'm prepared to slough off the categories and slurs and look for opportunities for one-on-one interaction, which does more for "the cause" than mountains of dusty old words.

[Bootsiegalore]

With reference to Wikipedia...

Mein Gott!

I never realized I had violated heteronormative bounds. I should be spanked, like a naughty schoolgirl :devil:

Jahwohl!

SMACK, SMACK, SMACK!!!!!

[Nicki B]

What is worrying is the number of people who are absolutely certain that they know 'the answer' and everyone else is wrong?

What do you call a gay or bi person who crossdresses, if not a crossdresser? And why does it matter to so many of you that someone might consider you are gay? Time and time again, it so obviously is such a big deal.. :sad:

Is there not merit on voting on a few definitions - and then sticking with the outcome? otherwise we never progress..

[Tomara]

I am also sorry you got busted , but if he was a true friend he probably would have at least let you explain your self to him. My only other thought on this would be to keep your door locked that way you are in control ! kind of hind site but it could happen again. anyway there plenty of people on this site who support you.:hugs:

[TSchapes]

It seems every post lately devolves into this label thing. Honest to Pete why should we care? Until we are all out of the F'in closet, the labels and the nonsense will continue.

TV, CD fetishist, underdresser, TS, TG she-male, lady-boy, I would probably respond yes to all the above, so what?

Sorry, let's discuss instead the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin, shall we? So much more elegant and useful.

-Tracy

[bobi jean]

So its the plant!

Sorry it has taken so long to get back on this one but I have not been feeling very good as of late and havent spent much time on here. any way THE PLANT DOESN'T HAVE A THING TO DO WITH IT (i didn't even notice it to be honest) IT IS THE ANGLE IN WHICH YOU ARE VIEWING THE CROSSDRESSER/TRANSVESTITE FROM THATS ALL.
Even better was the post with; the tv is the square thing and a cd is the little round thing.. loved that one

[Cristi]

I belive that "transgender person" is the solution.

Not really. Crossdresser and transvestite deal with clothing... transgender is an ENTIRELY different thing dealing with the gender identity of the person.

[Donna Michelle]

Tracy, I love your postcard idea! My wife was thinking of throwing a "coming out" birthday party for me. That would be so funny to send postcards with my photo on it.

:thumbsup:

[gatubela]

I think crossdresser sounds sexy, a boy in a girl outfit.
love the feeling.:daydreaming:

[boy2girl31]

I think nicki b had a good point. If we can't agree on the definitions ourselves how can we expect others to use the proper terminology.:sad: