Tired of narrow minded views

[Staci K]

:Angry3:

I'm pissed - plain & simple... Why do some people have such narrow view points? We (CD'ers) already take a beating in public opinion despite our best efforts to show that other than the clothes we wear, we're the same as any other individual. Narrow-minded opinions for public viewing don't help either.

While searching the web I stumbled across this opinion on forandagainst.com (an online debate site):


Transvestite refers to a person who cross-dresses, which means wearing the clothing of opposite sex. Obviously, it is not normal behavior. They people could be sick to do this. Transvestism onstage is referred to as travesty, travesty roles are dramatic roles in which the sex of character is opposite that of the performer, and in such case it is normal.

Thus far this was the only post swaying the debate to 100% in favor of this narrow minded view. I posted my two cents to swing it to 50/50.

For the sake of CD'ers everywhere, please post your view backing CD'ing

http://www.forandagainst.com/Transvestite_Personal_Are_Sick

Lets raise some public awareness of our own...

Nicole

[Sharon]

No matter what the issue or how obvious correct thinking may be, at least in our somewhat biased opinions, you will always find those who spew hate and ignorance. I'm a bit curious as to why this person even posted the rant. Self hate, perhaps?

The idea is to just get crossdressing, and all other forms of transgenderism as well, more accepted and understood by the majority of people, because you will never get all of them. I mean, if you post something relatively benign, such as "I prefer clean air," you will still get a dimwit to give you ten reasons why soot in our lungs is the way to go. :)

[boy2girl31]

Happy to see someone else who believes in equality.
Keep up the good work. I will visit the site and give them an earfull as well.

[jennifer41356]

Transvestite refers to a person who cross-dresses, which means wearing the clothing of opposite sex. Obviously, it is not normal behavior. They people could be sick to do this. Transvestism onstage is referred to as travesty, travesty roles are dramatic roles in which the sex of character is opposite that of the performer, and in such case it is normal.


I wouldnt worry about this because whomever wrote it , isnt capable of editing their post for errors

They people?
"onstage is referred to as travesty" huh?

"in which sex of character is opposite that of the performer"

forget the "the"


so if they dont have a decent command of English, then who cares what they think:2c:

[CD Susan]

Nicole, thanks for posting a link to the site. I did not know that this place existed but now that I do I will go there and make my views known. I feel the same outrage as you do.

[lizzie]

I fear the people there will brush your opinions aside like nothing...In my experience I've found that you just can't change those types, no matter how hard you try.

[Terry V]

Do you really think that ranting at ranters gets anything done? In the mind of the ranter they are right no matter what you might say in response, so my advice is let people have their own opinions and rant on but stay clear of them, you are not going to change anything, least of all on this subject. People will think what they think and on this subject. almost no one changes thier opinions not on any subject that is as deep rooted like this one.Be happy with who you are and let the others slide away life is to short to give timaway to people that will just waste it

[KarenCDFL]

It is a waste of time to try to educate a ranter, especially those of the fundamentalist persuasion.

No matter what facts you bring to the table, they will never agree nor change their outlook on the subject.

The big problem is that some of these people are in positions of business, social and political power and they make decisions based upon their own minuscule minds and that effects all of us.

[Terry V]

Some of us also have positons that can help or not. I think in any position we must do the right thing but the real world dosen't work that way the real world does what it damm well pleases no matter who gets hurt and when some of these people act that hard alot of other people get hurt and the hard people never give it a second thought. And this is want you think you can change, I think you might have to reevaluate how better you might sent you time.

[Joy Carter]

Nichole, we might just want to start with our, own right here. There are some who can't see past their own noses.

[Staci K]

Thank you to all that posted to the debate.

I agree that nothing I say or you say will sway this narrow-minded individuals point of view. However, my intent in posting to the debate, as well as asking you all to post to the debate, is to show a respectful, intellegent opposition for any future person that stumbles upon that debate to be able to make an educated decision.

Hate and ignorance is fueled by such narrow-minded view points. If a strong showing of intelligent opposition sways just one individual that stumbles onto that debate to realize that we're decent members of society then it was worth our time in posting an opposition.

Isn't equality and the freedom to dress as we feel without fear of ridicule worth the effort? If we don't stand up for ourselves, who will?

Just my :2c: worth...

Nicole

[Terry V]

Nicole-84 I love what you say but I don't what to waste time an effort on folks who already have thier mind made up. Your mind is made up on this issue and I think a lot of time could be spent trying to change your mind but in the end it would be a waste on time, Do you not see those people are like you and I we all think we are right and because of that none of us will change one litte bit

[Staci K]

Nicole-84 I love what you say but I don't what to waste time an effort on folks who already have thier mind made up. Your mind is made up on this issue and I think a lot of time could be spent trying to change your mind but in the end it would be a waste on time, Do you not see those people are like you and I we all think we are right and because of that none of us will change one litte bit

Ask any African American if MLK Jr's efforts for equality were a waste. Much like MLK Jr, many were of the same narrow-mindset as this individual. Did that deter him from putting out there a strong intelligent opposition? No...

I'm well aware I will never sway this individual, as well as, there will be others so set in there ways they won't budge.

When I first started dealing with my CD'ing feelings I Googled web searches for information. Had I stumbled upon that debate stating that I'm a sick individual with no posts from others like me showing that he's wrong, I most likely would have sunk into an even deeper depression than I was already in with the shameful feelings.

[Claire3]

There are too many narrow minded judgemental people out there,i believe to form an acceptance to who we are.However,we're here and aren't going away anytime soon.I love cding!:)

[Angie G]

Narrow minded jerks will always abound no matter what and they think the way they think is the only way to think They need to get a life of there own and let others be. but that will never happen. I have a good friend who is a lesbian and thinking of going to Canada to get Married I say go for it hun if it make you happy your not hurting anyone I have no problem with it. And the people that do can piss off. :hugs:
Angie

[Patti Girl]

Transvestite refers to a person who cross-dresses, which means wearing the clothing of opposite sex. Obviously, it is not normal behavior. They people could be sick to do this.

LOL. I guess that all genetic women are sick and exhibit abnormal behavior? After all virtually all GGs in this country wear men's clothes at least part time. Very few wear skirts and dresses 100% of the time.

Like others have said, it's a waste of time arguing with someone who has their mind made up.

Patti

[battybattybats]

Attitudes can and do change. Even in less than a decade some can change.

For some reason will reach them.
For some rhetoric will reach them.
For some time and the changing attitudes of others around them will reach them.

You can't convince everyone, but you don't need to!
Few these days believe that the sun orbits the earth. First it was a small number who learned the truth, then more learned it even when some were executed for spreading it and more till at last the vast majority of people know and understand that the earth is not the physical centre of the universe. There will always be a few who don't though they are incredibly rare.

So you need to keep talking. Some will be swayed by you and they will spread the word and the more true what you say is either via reason or rhetoric the better it will work.

Remember plenty of folk may change their views if they hear an argument that seems right. The hate-mongers wont stay quiet, should we let theirs be the only voice often heard?

If we let the extremists be the only ones speaking out they will be the only ones getting the opportunity to sway others with their words, and while truths sway minds and hearts best lies do work also.

The trick is that while having counters to the arguments of the extremists is good (somewhat essential actually) they aren't the ones you need to reach. It's the audience. Those who might read a thread without posting. You may never change the mind of a fanatic but you can defeat them by winning the hearts and minds of the audience! You do that not by 'winning' or destroying the others argument (though good in a debate) instead you win by comunicating to the heart or the mind or both of the audience the reality and truth of what you say in a way they can understand.

And if the audience come away educated, with some new level of understanding then that will stay with them, grow in them and be passed on to others!

[rian]

I do not care if the whole world turned against CDS , it is a personal satisfaction that makes me happy ...even the angels wre attacked ...so why do I care if others were closed minded about us ....I enjoy it and nothing will change that ....

[Katheryn]

:Angry3:


"]http://www.forandagainst.com/Transvestite_Personal_Are_Sick[/URL]

Lets raise some public awareness of our own...

Nicole

The thing is, what is normal?

If your definition is something like "that which is most common", then, since brown hair is most common, then blondes, redheads etc aren't normal. Left handed people aren't normal.

Personally, normal, to me, would be boring. Imagine if everyone were the same. How boring would that be?

There are probably as many reasons to CD as there are CD's. Everyone has their own reasons, and I'm sure they aren't in the "choices" category. Also, there are so many different levels of transiness that vary from person to person. Any difference in reason or level does not invalidate or lessen the person involved, it just makes them different. This isn't a black and white sort of thing, as with so many things, it's more of a shades of gray spectrum of things.

Similarly, the gay-bi-straight spectrum of things, all shades of gray, varying in degrees from person to person, isn't a choice, either. I certainly wouldn't choose to be part of a group that is denegrated by society and possibly victimized by hate filled idiot Neandarthals (as opposed to, I guess, enlightened, accepting Neandarthals) simply because it was cool.

I CD for my own reasons and at my own comfort level, it keeps me sane and happy. Those are the best reasons.

K

[Terry V]

I guess when I wrote about this subject I was refering to this subject only and keep in mind the overwhelming number of folks on this forum that cry out for acceptance from their own family and loved ones but can't get it because of the narrow mindedness of those who love us in every other way, I do not know the answer and know that all of us will keep trying to make our point but some of those people will never get it. This is not the sun orbiting the earth it is more important than that to us but then some would think that statement is silly so be it.
WE all have important issues in our lives some are worth trying to persuade others some not, in the end we all make up our own minds, and let others do the same.

[TGMarla]

Nicole, the web is full of morons who believe they are authoritative on a myriad of subjects they know nothing about. You should see computer-related technical forums. They're full of self-important morons who's responses to real problems are just that - moronic. I wouldn't let one person's response to a question on some obscure site rile me up so.

Remember, people like that have a choice: to stay quiet and let others assume they're stupid, or open their mouths and prove it to them. :heehee:

[Christinedreamer]

Some people have the genetic predispostion, intestinal fortitude and drive to raise stupidity from a science to an art form. Unfortunately you found their lair.

I was reading posts on ABCs site about the 20/20 interviews Barbara Walters did with very young TG kids ( on you tube as well) and it amazes me that some of these DNA disadvataged morons who posted such mean and vile responses to the very idea of TG kids know to lift the tolet lid before peeing.

I never ceases to amaze me how those who have the poorest command of the English language and an inherent and overwhelming lack of compassion, understanding and true Judeo-Christian tolerance are drawn to making sure they let everyone know that the ONLY correct way to live is what they have done for(to) themselves.

I have told more than one so called Christian who spent so much time condemning those outside their immediate circle that Jesus would slap you in the face if He were here.

The only thing that makes CDs or TGs sick is the reaction we have to people(?) who refuse to even try to understand others.

Maybe its jealousy! How else could something that makes us feel so good make THEM feel so bad?

Just my .02 worth.

Christine

[Deborah Jane]

Looks to me like just another bigotted numpty with a big mouth and a tiny brain!!!
Theres no point trying to change their opinion, they,re minds are too small to understand any view other than their own!!

[Cindi Johnson]

Yes, there are many closed-minded people out there, and more than a few here on this site, many toting the Bible or the Koran to validate their hate. What can we do? For one, we can SPEAK OUT! When in drab, while at home or work or with friends, and someone attacks others, be they TG's, gays, blacks, browns, immigrants, etc., let's show them that we will not wallow in their mud. Too many of us seem rather eager to attack other groups, even as we complain about those who attack us.

Secondly, get (nicely) dressed and get out. No, not just to gay bars and such, but to grocery stores, department stores, Starbucks, laundrymats, theaters, etc... As the public sees us out and about, doing normal things in a normal way, more and more will come to accept us. Maybe not embrace us or our cause, but just accept us as a legitimate part of this society. We won't change the fundamentalists, but we can influence the typical fairly open-minded American. It can and does happen. I've seen it happen---even in Texas!

Cindi Johnson

[Melanie R]

, but we can influence the typical fairly open-minded American. It can and does happen. I've seen it happen---even in Texas!

Cindi Johnson

Yes, Cindi it has happened in Texas. Last night we had our 30th Pride Parade in Houston and our 16th with the local TG community participating riding on our float or walking. 47 of our community participated but only 4 crossdressers. We had over 10 churches particpating in the parade including 1 Baptist church. Over 200,000 persons were on the parade route. The response to our float and the TG community on the float was fantastic. So many came up to the float and expressed their support for our community. To the best of my vision of the parade route I did not see any of the "religious right" protesting - the first time in the 10 years I have participated in the parade. Perhaps we are making progress but most of the accolades should go the TG community who are willing to stand up and be counted.

[Kris]

For the sake of CD'ers everywhere, please post your view backing CD'ing


Done Nicole...

Thanks for sending me there. It looks like it could be an interesting place to hang out and read, and of course post when I am bored.

Hugs,
Kris