Toni_Lynn
07-12-2008, 09:32 AM
...gives that first impression --- boy or girl.
I have talked with my wife Debbie about this topic and we thought it would be a good thought starter.
What is it that when you look at someone, even from far away, causes an immediate snap that someone is male or female.
I was on the bus a few days ago and two 18/19 year old women where among the passengers. They where both students at a local school for veterinary technicians. As such they where both dressed in somewhat shapeless and unisex scrub tops and pants. In fact, the scrub tops were so shapeless and loose fitting that you really could not discern normal body outlines, such as breasts etc.
The first girl was a bit on the chubby side and had hairy arms and bushier eyebrows. Yet to me there was no doubt that she was, in fact, a she. Could it have been the fact that she was carrying a purse that was pink and brown?
The second girl, who was friends with the first by the way, was average build, and had a short boy-like haircut. In fact, her hair was so boy-like, that if she was in a pair of guy's khaki's and a polo-shirt she would have passed as a boy no problem? Nothing else about her was 'unusual' for a girl.
Hmm -- actually a third example. I was in K Mart last Saturday. I was in drab .. well sort of. I was wearing a pair of women's shorts that were totally unisex in style, not long, not short, nothing unusual about the colour or cut. I had on a red women's t-shirt that, again, was unisex. Of course I did have on my bra and panties, but everything in the bra was me and totally unenhanced. My hair was downand around my shoulders. I had shaved my face, but wore no makeup - which I do need to cover even after a close shave. I hadn't shaved my legs in about 3 weeks. I had on brown crocs. BTW -- my arms, as with girl #1, are hairy. Definitely NOT crossdress for success. In spite of this, I still was greeted as ma'am, and was asked to, 'please sign there and hit okay, miss' after tendering my credit card. I spoke in my normal voice, albeit softer in volume as reply to both. So why did I pass as a girl even though I was not intending to. Could it have been the fact that in addition to the putty knives I was buying, I also bought a new bra and some eyeshadow? Hmmmm?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I think that people are less observant on a conscious level than we think they are, and that sub-conscious triggers are at play. I further wonder if some of the things that we worry about such as beard covers and removing the hair on our arms, while essential for the ultimate feminine look, are actually over-ridden by other cues.
Any thoughts
Huggles
Toni-Lynn
I have talked with my wife Debbie about this topic and we thought it would be a good thought starter.
What is it that when you look at someone, even from far away, causes an immediate snap that someone is male or female.
I was on the bus a few days ago and two 18/19 year old women where among the passengers. They where both students at a local school for veterinary technicians. As such they where both dressed in somewhat shapeless and unisex scrub tops and pants. In fact, the scrub tops were so shapeless and loose fitting that you really could not discern normal body outlines, such as breasts etc.
The first girl was a bit on the chubby side and had hairy arms and bushier eyebrows. Yet to me there was no doubt that she was, in fact, a she. Could it have been the fact that she was carrying a purse that was pink and brown?
The second girl, who was friends with the first by the way, was average build, and had a short boy-like haircut. In fact, her hair was so boy-like, that if she was in a pair of guy's khaki's and a polo-shirt she would have passed as a boy no problem? Nothing else about her was 'unusual' for a girl.
Hmm -- actually a third example. I was in K Mart last Saturday. I was in drab .. well sort of. I was wearing a pair of women's shorts that were totally unisex in style, not long, not short, nothing unusual about the colour or cut. I had on a red women's t-shirt that, again, was unisex. Of course I did have on my bra and panties, but everything in the bra was me and totally unenhanced. My hair was downand around my shoulders. I had shaved my face, but wore no makeup - which I do need to cover even after a close shave. I hadn't shaved my legs in about 3 weeks. I had on brown crocs. BTW -- my arms, as with girl #1, are hairy. Definitely NOT crossdress for success. In spite of this, I still was greeted as ma'am, and was asked to, 'please sign there and hit okay, miss' after tendering my credit card. I spoke in my normal voice, albeit softer in volume as reply to both. So why did I pass as a girl even though I was not intending to. Could it have been the fact that in addition to the putty knives I was buying, I also bought a new bra and some eyeshadow? Hmmmm?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I think that people are less observant on a conscious level than we think they are, and that sub-conscious triggers are at play. I further wonder if some of the things that we worry about such as beard covers and removing the hair on our arms, while essential for the ultimate feminine look, are actually over-ridden by other cues.
Any thoughts
Huggles
Toni-Lynn