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Paige.
08-19-2008, 04:22 PM
My Webster’s Universal Unabridged Dictionary defines hypocrite as follows:
Hyp’o-crite, n [Gr.hypokrites, one who answers, plays a part, a pretender, from hypokrinesthai, to answer, play a part, hypo, under, and krinesthai, to dispute, contend.] one who feigns to be what he is not; especially, one who pretends to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so.
My Random House Dictionary of the English Language defines hypocrite this way:
Hyp-o-crite, n. a person who pretends to have desirable or publicly approved attitudes, beliefs, principles, etc. he does not actually possess. [ME ipocrite < OF < LL hypocrite(a) < Gk hypokritites stage actor, hence one who pretends to be what he is not. ---Syn. deceiver, pretender, pharisee.
Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary simply says:
Hyp-o-crite, n. one who affects qualities he does not have.
I was questioning myself and my relationship to CD’s when this word came to my mind. I wanted to know if I am a dictionary definition of a hypocrite because even though I come to this site and offer my support and encouragement, I don’t march, carry banners, go to alternative style bars and parties and I have never told my dad or the rest of my family that I have been with CD’s. I suppose I could be called a closeted supporter but in the eyes of my CD friends, but does that mean I am a hypocrite? A hypocrite because I “pretend to have desirable or publicly approved attitudes, beliefs, principles, etc that I do not actually possess?”
But then the dictionary definitions raised more questions than answers in my mind about crossdressers in general. Are all CD’s considered hypocrites because they pretend, or feign to be women when they are not? I am not a CD but I know I pretend to be pious and virtuous to my co-workers and family. Do you?
I am confused and would appreciate any ideas. Am I missing something in my understanding of this inward spiral of definitions?
Am I a hypocrite?
Are you a hypocrite?
Are none of us hypocrites?
Should we just throw the dictionaries in the trash?
janexx
08-19-2008, 04:33 PM
You are not a hipocrite.
Remember there is such a thing as the Hipocratic Oath. The body of which is that no man shall impeed the death of another and should, in all circumstances, try to preserve that life.
There are two things here, I mean "Man" in the Darwinian sense, i.e all of humanity, and the quote is abridged from memory.
If I am right in my congecture You are what you are and shoud, as we all should, preserve that and cause it to prosper.
With all my love and suport,
Jane
Shelly67
08-19-2008, 04:38 PM
Paige , for me there is only one answear sugar ...
Hypocrite ......??
Perhaps this is more like me ..
Roses are red violets are blue , I,m a schitzophrenic and so am I ........:D
You are an open book , that as life passes by the chapters become memories.........
Or , as a musical friend of mine once sadi ( wish I could write this in music form ) " Never B flat , never B sharp , always B natural.
jackie_p
08-19-2008, 04:39 PM
Paige:
IMHO, dictionaries are broad general guidelines to the language. There is really no way to fully encompass the meaning of any word since our language is so diverse and words often mean vastly different things depending upon how and where they are used.
Even by the dictionary, however, I can't see how you could be considered hypocritical. What belief do you present but not actually posess? If you have CD friends and are not judgemental of them (or anybody else for that matter) but treat them with love and respect then it seems you posess the trait that you wish people to see.
Bottom line is that I don't think that just because you believe in something that you necessarily have to be militant about it. It's often more important how we handle the small day-to-day things that demonstrates who we really are.
:2c:
Jackie
Nicki B
08-19-2008, 04:40 PM
especially, one who pretends to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so.
If you were publically rubbishing or attacking trans people, then you could be described as a hypocrite - but if you're just worried about admitting to some that you have trans friends and acquaintances, then, for one, I certainly wouldn't call you that?
Enough of us feel social pressure to stay in the closet - the same pressure that you are feeling.
A wise person carefully picks the battles they fight?
Fab Karen
08-19-2008, 04:52 PM
If you were publically rubbishing or attacking trans people, then you could be described as a hypocrite - but if you're just worried about admitting to some that you have trans friends and acquaintances, then, for one, I certainly wouldn't call you that.
Nicki just gave you the answer about yourself.
As to the question about CD's being that, if any of us went around in boy-mode making fun of CD's, we would be. Looking like a woman isn't hypocrisy.
AmandaM
08-19-2008, 05:30 PM
You don't have to actively support the LGBT community just cause you date CDers. I am a right-wing, Bible-thumping, gun-owning redneck (with an advanced degree) and I do not agree with or support the political organizations of the LGBT movement. But, I am still transgendered. If someone is giving you a hard time cause you're not "involved" or "one of them", don't feel guilty because of their dogma. If you agree with them, fine, if you don't, fine. Be a free spirit!
patti
08-19-2008, 05:47 PM
Hi paige-
You are NOT a hypocrite...you are a Lovely person that is in Support of something that Society deems "Wierd". So what if men want to dress femininely...it is just nice to know that wonderful women like you support us! I guess the Question to your Question would be, "What would your dad say if you brought home a guy that was wearing a skirt and pantyhose and carrying a purse? If that would "Upset" him...then it is not wise to do that...that is not being a hypocrit!
Thank You for being you!
Patti
lisa_vin
08-19-2008, 06:44 PM
Hi Paige! This definition from Wikipedia explains the word "hypocrite" the best for me:
Hypocrisy (or the state of being a hypocrite) is the act of preaching a certain belief or way of life, but not, in fact, holding these same virtues oneself. For example, an adult telling children not to smoke cigarettes, even though the adult smokes. Hypocrisy is frequently invoked as an accusation in many contexts.....the refusal to "...apply to ourselves the same standards we apply to others".
As a cd'er, I don't preach or push my "way of life" on anybody else. Lisa is a part of me just as much as John is and my ACCEPTANCE of that fact does not make me a hypocrite. I harm no one, I bother no one, I don't go door to door or stand on a street corner shouting out the joys, benefits and horrors of crossdressing. I physically and psychologically need Lisa to be here in person, not just in thought or fantasy. I need the opportunity to connect my whole psyche and she is part of that and dressing as her "completes" me and to deny her personna, in my mind at least, WOULD be hypocritical. The only standards I apply to others are moral standards and I don't see Lisa as being immoral! IT'S WHO I AM!
By the way, my wife does not like my femme side but is "tolerant" and it took seeing a counselor, one who HAS cd/tg issue experience, just to reach this point. And I purposely chose a female therapist for both of our sakes. She is the one who truly freed me from any thoughts of immorality and hypocrisy and got my wife to understand that I am not automatically gay, bi or perverted by having this "unusual" but not immoral or inhuman need to express my feminine side. My wife will never truly understand, accept or embrace this side of me but she DOES understand the NEED I have. By the same token, if my wife decided she had a need to express her "male" side, I might not "like" it but I would certainly try to understand and give her that opportunity. We are ALL born with male and female characteristics.....some of us just have a stronger, burning need to grab onto both those characteristics and express both of them!!!!!!!
Sorry this was so long, girl! I hope this helps you in at least some way
Gentle hugs,
Lisa
susan fuller
08-19-2008, 06:55 PM
I do not feel you are a hypocrite just not sure of how your friends will react if they knew you supported CDers. There is an old saying "To thy self be true". Just understand your own motives in associating with CDers and you will know.
TSchapes
08-19-2008, 07:27 PM
My Webster’s Universal Unabridged Dictionary defines hypocrite as follows:
Hyp’o-crite, n [Gr.hypokrites, one who answers, plays a part, a pretender, from hypokrinesthai, to answer, play a part, hypo, under, and krinesthai, to dispute, contend.] one who feigns to be what he is not; especially, one who pretends to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so.
My Random House Dictionary of the English Language defines hypocrite this way:
Hyp-o-crite, n. a person who pretends to have desirable or publicly approved attitudes, beliefs, principles, etc. he does not actually possess. [ME ipocrite < OF < LL hypocrite(a) < Gk hypokritites stage actor, hence one who pretends to be what he is not. ---Syn. deceiver, pretender, pharisee.
Am I a hypocrite?
Are you a hypocrite?
Are none of us hypocrites?
Should we just throw the dictionaries in the trash?
The first Webster's definition seems very generic and under those terms everyone on the planet can be a hypocrite at any time. Especially if it is used as a synonym for pretender. The Random House version sounds more like how the word is used in everyday life.
I reserve the word hypocrite for those that do actual harm. People that tell us how we should live and then violate those very principles themselves. Some very good examples come to mind, like people that legislate against child sexual abuse then turn around and send suggestive text pages to underage kids. Ministers that rally against gays only for us to find out they are gay themselves. This to me is most egregious.
So to answer your question, I don't think your a hypocrite if you don't speak up for CD's, but for example if someone speaks ill will of us and you chime in and say yea your right, then yes I would consider you a hypocrite. Personally I would hope you would help educate the person about CDs. I don't think you would have to expose how deep into the CD culture you are, that's for you to know.
Now the other question as to whether us CD's are hypocrites, I don't think so, again unless you apply the very generic definition then of course we are. But more to the point, I dress the way I feel. I never, ever said I was a woman. If CD's are being attacked and we don't speak up for ourselves, I find it sad. But unless a CD agrees with the disparaging remarks or joins in on a hazing of a fellow CD, I don't believe they are a hypocrite.
Maybe it's just me, but anytime somebody makes a sweeping generalization about a whole group of people, whether they be TG, Gay, Black, Women, or you name the group, I correct that person. I tell them it's not fair to attribute that trait to that group anymore than it's fair to attribute a trait (I'll pick a trait that may apply to the group they belong too) that they have. If that doesn't stop them from that nonsense I'll know better than to engage that person in conversation. :2c:
Maybe throwing the goofy book out the window is not such a bad idea though!
Love, Tracy
Lora Olivia
08-19-2008, 07:38 PM
Well critically speaking I am really more of a hippo:heehee: Now that being said, my definition of a hyprocrite is the person who does not practice what they preach....as opposed to people I feel who are more like us Paige....we may not preach what we practice...as always just my :2c:
PamelaTX
08-19-2008, 07:39 PM
Not a hypocrite. Hypocrites are those who preach one thing and practice something else, like the bible-thumping TV preachers who are doing every woman in town.
Don't worry about not being an activist. Another way to phrase your question is "How can I tell if I'm a good person?" This is a difficult question, and one of the most important questions we can ask ourselves. The quick answer used to be "I go to church on Sunday, and I do what my religion tells me to do." (That still works pretty well, by the way.) With the decline of formal religion, activism became the preferred answer to that question. "I'm a good person because I'm an activist." Personally, I think this answer is silly, but it works for some people.
I'm going to give you another answer that isn't based on politics or religion.
How much do you love? If you do your best to love everyone you meet, even when they're not lovable, and if you put that love into practice by reaching out to those around you, not in big ways by carrying picket signs, but in small ways by saying "Don't cry. I'm here for you." Then you are a good person.
This may not be your answer either, but it's a better answer than activism.
docrobbysherry
08-19-2008, 07:51 PM
Not a hypocrite. Hypocrites are those who preach one thing and practice something else
Don't worry about not being an activist. With the decline of formal religion, activism became the preferred answer. "I'm a good person because I'm an activist." Personally, I think this answer is silly, but it works for some people.
Paige, u r confusing "hypocrite", with, " activism". As Pam said. They r quite different.
If your brother or father started CDing, and u condemned him, THEN u would be a hypocrite!:eek:
Rachel Morley
08-19-2008, 08:15 PM
I wanted to know if I am a dictionary definition of a hypocrite because even though I come to this site and offer my support and encouragement, I don’t march, carry banners, go to alternative style bars and parties and I have never told my dad or the rest of my family that I have been with CD’s.
That's not being a hypocrite, that's just being a private person. Nowhere does it say you have to tell everyone your own personal business, especially if it's something that they might not understand or appreciate. You can still be a supporter without needing to carry a banner and march.
I agree with the others, to me, essentially a hypocrite is someone who does not practice what they preach.
IMHO, from a CDing standpoint, emulation is not being hypocritical. So, just as others have said, as long as a person does not start "CD-bashing" at times and then come here and post messages of support at other times, I don't see how anyone can label that person as a hypocrite just because they don't always share all their thoughts and feelings on a particular subject - which happens to be in this case crossdressing. :hugs:
Sandra Dunn
08-19-2008, 08:40 PM
First we must recognize that there are 3 genders not 2, if we only recognize 2 genders then we are all hypocrites. Those who do not recognize the 3 genders are the hypocrites. Futher if you bash any TG at anytime away from your TG freinds, you are a hypocrite. Even if you remain silent you discredit your freinds. Let me share an example. I am not interested in men, still they should be allowed to marry each other and I have publicly made this knoun. If I had stated this to my gay freinds and then stated against them publicly, I would be a hypocrite.
This may have come out rather harsh, forgive me if it seemed that way. I class this type of question with descrimination, uneducated and ignorance. I apprciate GGs like Paige who do come learn and offer a different view of things and ask questions. The fact that you are interested in TGs is very refreshing and I hope you find one whom you could be happy with. You can be an activist with out the banner, just speak up for those who can't at that time.
meg_dc_00
08-19-2008, 09:07 PM
My hypocrisy is usually because of silence, a few times I've heard friends or colleagues disparage trannies and I've been quiet about it.
Most of my close friends have inklings that I'm a crossdresser, so it doesn't happen much (or I realize they're testing me).
I am pretty vocal about gay marriage though, always.
Lora Olivia
08-19-2008, 10:14 PM
I am pretty vocal about gay marriage though, always.
for or against???
jeniinnylons
08-19-2008, 11:23 PM
I say no because it is really not your battle to fight. Your just supporting us in our battle. :)
BTW marry me :love:
Angie G
08-20-2008, 12:35 AM
I really don't think so hun. :hugs:
Angie
Joy Carter
08-20-2008, 01:49 AM
Not at all girl friend. I for one wouldn't want you to out yourself as a supporter. As you just might cause yourself hardship. Maybe not from your family, but friends and acquaintances can be cruel. You have a heart thats all. :hugs:
Joanne f
08-20-2008, 03:09 AM
We all have thoughts, desires, feelings, things we would like to do, would`t like to do , things we feel we should say or should not say but just because we do not act on these things doe`s not make us a hypocrite, most of the times it makes us guilty of useing common sense.
joanne
vivianann
08-20-2008, 03:46 AM
Even though the Dictionary has a broad definition of hypocricy or hypocrite, it does not change the way society in general think of what the words mean, when peaple think of a hypocrite, they think of peaple who preach one way and do not live by the words they preach, such as someone who says do not commit adultery, and then they are caught in an adulterous relationship, there other definitions of what a hypocrite is in the earlier posts in this thread that hits the nail on the head. You are NOT a hypocrite.
Just because you do not march, carry banners, go to alternative clubs and such does not make you a hypocrite, I am the same way you are, I do not march or carry banners because I do not believe the militant in your face movement is the proper way of getting peaple to accept any lifestyle. I do not go to alternative clubs either. I am a conservative and religous person who happens to be tg or crossdresser. you say that you do not poses such desirable attitudes, beliefs, or principles, well you need to realize that as humans we are not perfect, sounds like you are suffering from unecisery guilt, just like we as crossdressers have suffered from unecisery guilt when we were younger because we thought that we were going to hell because we put on a dress. You feel guilt because you support and had relationships with cders, I think I talked about this subject in a pm to you in June. I believe you were raised up in a strict religious environment, and like us all you feel you have not lived up to what you were taught, crossdressing is not a sin, and if you feel you have sinned in other ways there is that wonderful thing called repentance if you so desire. If I am wrong tell me. Sweetheart we are here to help, pm me if you like. you have brought up a good thread here and I hope we can help you :hugs: Vivian
Jonianne
08-20-2008, 03:49 AM
I agree with the consensus that in normal use of the word hyprocrite, it would mean going along with (or leading) the crowd in one direction when you are actually going the opposite.
A phrase comes to mind - "Methinks he doth protest too much".
The same would apply to both the supporters of CD's as well as CD's.
So no, I can't imagine you would be considered a hyprocrite. A person that is not an activist is not a hyprocrite either.
I would hope that when that certain time comes in our own personal life, that all of us would stand up for each other (myself included).
I just want to say personally to you - THANK YOU PAIGE for your support of us here! It is so much appreciated.
Many words have two meanings - its denotation, which is what you typically find in the dictionary, and its connotation, the sense of the word, and what the word implies.
I think hypocrite implies not so much a failure to declare how you think, believe or feel, but to actively seek to convince people you think, feel or believe the opposite.
The classic example is the bible-thumping, moralizing preacher or politician who is out back buggering the alter boys and the pages.
I don't think it's hypocritical to be closeted. I think it's hypocritical to be closeted and tell other people they should be out.
cindybarnes
08-20-2008, 05:49 AM
I think Niki B summed it up pretty well,, no your not a hypocrite.
If I could find my CD version of the dictionary I would post the correct meaning of the word :) ,,, last time I needed it was to define the words emulate and imitate in a older thread here.
Cindy
Katheryn
08-20-2008, 06:31 AM
Hyp-o-crite, n. a person who pretends to have desirable or publicly approved attitudes, beliefs, principles, etc. he does not actually possess.
Also the reverse, pretends to not have beliefs he does possess in situations where those beliefs are unpopular. Mere silence on a subject doesn't make one a hypocrite.
I was questioning myself and my relationship to CD’s when this word came to my mind. I wanted to know if I am a dictionary definition of a hypocrite because even though I come to this site and offer my support and encouragement, I don’t march, carry banners, go to alternative style bars and parties and I have never told my dad or the rest of my family that I have been with CD’s. I suppose I could be called a closeted supporter but in the eyes of my CD friends, but does that mean I am a hypocrite? A hypocrite because I “pretend to have desirable or publicly approved attitudes, beliefs, principles, etc that I do not actually possess?”
Here's where I got lost. Are you pretending to have supportive beliefs but in truth do not? Are you merely silent on the subject amongst others who hold negative beliefs?
But then the dictionary definitions raised more questions than answers in my mind about crossdressers in general. Are all CD’s considered hypocrites because they pretend, or feign to be women when they are not? I am not a CD but I know I pretend to be pious and virtuous to my co-workers and family. Do you?
I think it's more of a "need to know" sort of thing. Some of my family know, some don't. Those who don't, do not need to know. Everyone has some secrets, and simply not mentioning everything doesn't make one a hypocrite, not everyone you know or are related to needs to know every detail of your life. Let's say, for example, someone is sexually submissive or likes rougher sex. Are they obligated to mention, perhaps at a family dinner, that they enjoyed a good spanking while having sex the other night? I think that might ruin someone's taste for dessert. ("Wow that cherry pie is the same color my butt was!")
I am confused and would appreciate any ideas. Am I missing something in my understanding of this inward spiral of definitions?
Am I a hypocrite?
Are you a hypocrite?
Are none of us hypocrites?
Should we just throw the dictionaries in the trash?
No, we shouldn't toss the dictionaries, but we shouldn't expand the defintions beyond what they are trying to define. Being a crossdresser is no different from being anything that is part time. One can be a sports fan but not monolithically, to the point where that is all one talks about. We'd be hypocrites if we condemned crossdressers while being one, if we disparaged transgendered people while wearing panties under our slacks. I don't think someone has to carry a banner in order to be true to themselves, especially when carrying that banner might put career and safety at risk.
Kate
tracigirl_tv
08-20-2008, 06:46 AM
A wise person once said, "Think long, think wrong." Don't over-analyze, love. You are a blessing to us all.
PS. Has anyone else noticed that bible-thumping preachers are taking quite a beating in this thread? *lol*
Katheryn
08-20-2008, 06:52 AM
You are not a hipocrite.
Remember there is such a thing as the Hipocratic Oath. The body of which is that no man shall impeed the death of another and should, in all circumstances, try to preserve that life.
There are two things here, I mean "Man" in the Darwinian sense, i.e all of humanity, and the quote is abridged from memory.
If I am right in my congecture You are what you are and shoud, as we all should, preserve that and cause it to prosper.
With all my love and suport,
Jane
The word hypocrite and the Hippocratic Oath have nothing to do with each other besides both originating with the Greeks and being similar sounding.
The Hippocratic Oath was supposedly started by Hippocrates, which includes the famous "Do no harm". Doing no harm would be the opposite of not impeding the death of someone. To impede is to obstruct, thus the physician's job is exactly to impede death, to obstruct and to block, if possible, the death of the patient.
The word hypocrite comes from Greek roots that do mean to play act. "The word hypocrisy derives from the Greek ὑπόκρισις (hypokrisis), "acting out", "feigning, dissembling" or "an answer". Of course, definitions change over time, and the accepted definition of hypocrite is now someone who hides their true beliefs under the cloak of feigned beliefs. Merely hiding or not mentioning them doesn't make one a hypocrite, as I do not discuss politics or religion, allowing others the space to have their own beliefs unchallenged. Saves pointless argument, because in a few minutes of heated debate you are not going to change someone's lifelong belief system. But I do not pretend to be whatever the religion or political affiliation of my companion, I merely refuse to enter into the debate.
A more glaring example of hypocrisy would be someone who publicly opposes racism while belonging to the KKK or some such group. In this example deliberate action in both directions have to be taken.
Being a CD and not carrying banners or actively supporting rights legislation isn't hypocrisy.
One of the things in our society I think is truly sick is how people can stand around, not even call 911, when someone is being abused or assaulted. There are video clips of such things on the internet and evening news, and to stand around while another human being is being hurt is far more than hypocrisy, it's criminal.
For what it's worth....
Kate
laura.lapinski
08-20-2008, 08:58 AM
Hi paige-
You are NOT a hypocrite...you are a Lovely person that is in Support of something that Society deems "Wierd". So what if men want to dress femininely...it is just nice to know that wonderful women like you support us! I guess the Question to your Question would be, "What would your dad say if you brought home a guy that was wearing a skirt and pantyhose and carrying a purse? If that would "Upset" him...then it is not wise to do that...that is not being a hypocrit!
Thank You for being you!
Patti I agree. I would call it more self preservation. You simply are weighing the negative against the positive of saying what you believe, understanding how it would affect your life and deciding how much you are willing to handle or deal with. There is nothing wrong with that. You are not hurting anyone by keeping it to yourself, except perhaps yourself, but only you can decide what you can/will tolerate based on your comfort level. How would society be if everyone spouted off to others what was on their mind at any given moment. Society based only on emotion would be a volitile place. So relax, and be nice to yourself. You are a very sweet and caring person.
Love,
Laura
Tammietoo
08-20-2008, 09:08 AM
First off, don't get caught up in labels. You would only be a hypocrite if you publically denounced CDer's and said you didn't like them or thought what they were doing was wrong, and then went on to be with or support them.
I think the general definition is, someone who says one thing and then does another. As for as being a hypocrite just by being a CDer, that doesn't ring true. Merely supressing and not advertising the fact that I crossdress doesn't make me a hypocrite. I hate to say you are thinking too much, but....
Don't throw out your dictionary, just use it for spell-checking! :D
Nadia-Maria
08-20-2008, 09:37 AM
Of course, CDers may be hypocrital too, for instance when they tell another one she looks "pretty and soooooooh cute", whereas everybody knows he looks as an ugly man in a dress !:battingeyelashes::o:devil:
vivianann
08-20-2008, 10:17 AM
Of course, CDers may be hypocrital too, for instance when they tell another one she looks "pretty and soooooooh cute", whereas everybody knows he looks as an ugly man in a dress !:battingeyelashes::o:devil:
I dont classify that as hypocritical, I would call it not being honest.
Paige.
08-20-2008, 10:33 AM
My heartfelt thanks and love to all for helping me get my head screwed on straight. I've read through every posted response several times now, swimming in your words and drinking them in like a sponge. I was a little confused but I see clearly now. I am not a hypocrite. :love: to you all.
Gisele
08-20-2008, 10:39 AM
I say just toss that book in the trash. We write our own definitions as we go.:battingeyelashes:
Much love to ya, Beth
Melissa A.
08-20-2008, 10:59 AM
Of course, CDers may be hypocrital too, for instance when they tell another one she looks "pretty and soooooooh cute", whereas everybody knows he looks as an ugly man in a dress !:battingeyelashes::o:devil:
Nah, that's motivated by niceness. It may not be honest, But it is tactful. It's not always necessary(or smart) to say exactly what you are thinking. It's certainly not hypocritical, and is pretty harmless. If someone looks like "man in a dress", as you said, they already know. If they are fishing for compliments, giving them one doesnt make you a hypocrite. Maybe a liar, but I doubt it causes any harm.
As far as this whole hypocrite thing and transgenderism, talk about taking a literal definition to crazy extremes. I think we all know what a hypocrite is...No one is required to put their career, safety, or their social or family position in jeopardy to be supportive of anything.
And the notion that tg's themselves are hypocrites may not be hypocrisy itself, but it sure is ignorant, and lacking of any kind of compassion. Unless said tg is leading a true double life, and publicly bashing his/her own kind, as well. A few "reverends" and politicians do come to mind. That woud be hypocracy.
Hugs,
Melissa:)
Nadia-Maria
08-20-2008, 03:43 PM
Of course, CDers may be hypocrital too, for instance when they tell another one she looks "pretty and soooooooh cute", whereas everybody knows he looks as an ugly man in a dress !:battingeyelashes::o:devil:
I dont classify that as hypocritical, I would call it not being honest.
Nah, that's motivated by niceness. It may not be honest, But it is tactful. It's not always necessary(or smart) to say exactly what you are thinking. It's certainly not hypocritical, and is pretty harmless. If someone looks like "man in a dress", as you said, they already know. If they are fishing for compliments, giving them one doesnt make you a hypocrite. Maybe a liar, but I doubt it causes any harm.
In the french version of Wikipedia, "Hypocrisie" is the clear opposite to "sincerity".
Hence I would certainly rate "somewhat hypocritical" an unsincere compliment.
You are never obliged to say exactly what you are thinking, but nobody ever forces you to do an unsincere compliment. Moreover you may take the opportunity, instead, to gently suggest him/her a way of improving him/her appearence.
Someone doing an unsincere compliment on a forum may also wish to show him/herself as somebody really nice and very tactful, what he/she isn't.
A really nice guy/girl tries essentially to help, and as a rule avoid to be a liar.
Luvya
Nadia
Melissa A.
08-20-2008, 04:09 PM
In the french version of Wikipedia, "Hypocrisie" is the clear opposite to "sincerity".
Hence I would certainly rate "somewhat hypocritical" an unsincere compliment.
You are never obliged to say exactly what you are thinking, but nobody ever forces you to do an unsincere compliment. Moreover you may take the opportunity, instead, to gently suggest him/her a way of improving him/her appearence.
Someone doing an unsincere compliment on a forum may also wish to show him/herself as somebody really nice and very tactful, what he/she isn't.
A really nice guy/girl tries essentially to help, and as a rule avoid to be a liar.
Luvya
Nadia
We've heard about 4 subtely different definitions of the word. My point is that we all know what a true hypocrite is. The fact that one may be too nice, or yes, even too chicken to say something unecessarilly unkind, may show some negative things about them, but hypocrite is certainly a pretty strong condemnation of that. would you tell a person, who you know is very sensitive, and is known to sometimes take even constructive critisism the wrong way, That the meal they just went out of their way to make for you, stinks? Maybe some would, or try to help in some way, but some might also say when asked, "it was good", and leave it at that. If you wish to call that being hypocritical, that's your right. I would not. Yes, I have told other trans people that they wear too much makeup, or that they could use to work on their fashion sense a bit, in a nice way. But I think that depends on the two people involved, how well they know eachother, and probably at least half a dozen other factors. Personally, I have never gushed that someone was "oooh, pretty" when they werent. I would probably say nothing. But I still wouldnt call such a person a hypocrite. Sorry.
Hugs,
Melissa:)
Missy Anne
08-20-2008, 07:33 PM
Hi Paige,
I'll help you throw the dictionary in the trash. Then we will just enjoy each other's company!
Hugs,
Missy Anne
darla_g
08-20-2008, 08:10 PM
Paige,
to me hypocrisy always just meant someone who would say one thing and yet do another. You have always been very upfront about what your interest in CDs is (or is not) and that is totally fine. I am pleased to call you a friend.
so no to Hypocrisy
bimini1
08-21-2008, 12:07 AM
Iteresting piece on hypocrisy on the web today:
http://specials.msn.com/Hypocrites.aspx
cdpam02
08-27-2008, 08:51 AM
Paige:
Hello :) I'd like to echo the thoughts of those who have posted before me. The answer to your inquiry is you're NOT a hypocrite. The fact you don't proclaim your feelings about cds doesn't mean your support, encouragement and understanding of us does not diminish your warm humanity, empathy and sensetivity. I'm not sure how you could confuse those concepts. Keep up the good karma and feelings. I wish you love and happiness.
Pam :)
andreaattimes
09-06-2008, 05:34 PM
No Paige you are not a hypocrite, and I don't think anybody else here is either.
trannie T
09-06-2008, 06:00 PM
There is a difference between being in the closet and being a hypocrite. Being in the closet may simply mean that there is a part of yiur life you do not choose to share with the rest of the world. Being a hypocrite means that you practice one thing and preach another.
There is an important election in the US this November. Think about which canditates will support our rights before you vote.
Claire3
09-06-2008, 06:04 PM
Lots of long answers.I am who i am,end of story:)
DemonicDaughter
09-06-2008, 08:18 PM
So all gather 'round!
At one point, in a previous relationship, my ex took it upon himself to inform other people of my sexuality. When he told me about it, he was quite taken aback over my reaction. He felt that because I'm very open and honest about it, that it was perfectly okay to talk to others regarding it.
Sooooo not okay.
Why? Because its my right to tell whom I wish. Not anyone else's.
I'm proud of who Kayla is but have no right telling anyone about her private life because its just that, her private life.
You don't have to work in a restaurant to appreciate the food. So don't worry about not carrying the banners. Being a supportive friend/partner is FAR more important than screaming to the world you know people of any specific lifestyle, choice, religion, race, etc.
Bethany38
09-06-2008, 11:32 PM
Paige I agree w/ everyone else there is no way you are a hypocriticle and also demonic daughter had some good thoughts about how to explain that I always like her posts. anyhow know you are as straight forward as they come . Bethany:thumbsup:
heidi99
09-07-2008, 02:19 PM
Interesting thread.
First, in answer to your questions, "Are you [Paige] a hypocrite? Unless you tell crossdresser jokes, etc, I'd have to say no.
Are crossdressers hipocrites? Let's face it. NO ONE is honest about EVERYTHING in life. (poor Diogenes :D ) So, based on the definitions, we all are hipocrites in some aspect. Does it matter? Not usually. If you don't believe in pre-marrital sex, and a neighbor's daughter is in a "family way", is it hipocritical to wish her well rather than telling her she has sinned. Being polite and civil (something that is taught and expected by society) sometimes puts us in a situation of being hipocritical.
Three words. So be it.
Laurie909
09-08-2008, 02:27 AM
My minister once delivered a sermon entitled "God Bless The Hypocrites"
To that I say......AMEN!
heidi99
09-08-2008, 05:55 PM
My minister once delivered a sermon entitled "God Bless The Hypocrites"
To that I say......AMEN!
Got that one right, gf! :D
support is support hun i am thankful that you do ...
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