Why is there NOT a place?

[Sweet Jeanette]

I may not be myself tonight, but the one question I keep asking myself, (of course I know the answer),---is: Why is there not a place, (in society) where we can walk and go and be "ourselves"?----Why, prey tell, do we have to keep secret, and run from place to place, where our own kind gather, in secrecy???------Why,---do we have to be scared of the others, that "don't approve"?----Why, can't they let us have our own place in the sun, like they do???-------Yes!!!!------I am DAMN mad!!! :mad: ---Madder than Hell!---Sometimes I just get fed up!!!------Right now, I feel like dressing and going out for the evening, and carrying my "street sweeper", :devious: and DARING anybody to screw with me!!!------But I won't. ------I know better.------But still, -----WHY? ---Why can't they have at least some tolerance for us? :( ------Don't mind me.------I am just "venting".------No one really needs to answer this thread. In fact, I am starting to think I really shouldn't have wrote it. :(

[Tristen Cox]

Sometimes I get angry about it too. Then I get down. I wish I had the answer but don't. 'Power in numbers' is my only solution. That may be a long way off, but think of this, when we simply out number them - they are the ones who are going to feel like they have to run and hide. And why? Simply because they wanted to be intolerant in the first place, and remain so. Just my thoughts. Hope you feel better soon.

[Ibuki_Warpetal]

Come to Alaska?

There was this like, 70 year old guy (customer) at Lowes when I worked there with a long white beard, huge boobs and a skirt.

I'm damned sure he was being the most himself he could be, and more than once.

Nobody ever gave him any problems.

There's other more serious t-girls around. Nobody ever gives them crap.
Maybe the rest of U.S. America (and maybe UK, but I thought they were better with it) is behind us regarding respect for fellow man.
Sad state of affairs, really.

[Imogen_Mann]

Dont be fooled Ibuki_Warpetal, the way it seems to be here in the UK (in my view) is, if you're different in any way, everyone hates you, but has to pretend to accept diversity and be seen to embrace you, the only people who will really accept you are your own kind. if you can pass 100% completely then youre OK, but if you force one non dressing non TG person to have to actually think for a change..... youre in trouble.

I'm English and on the whole, we are a race of media led, telly addicted sheep. (if thats not true... WHY does Big brother get so much attention, and why does everyone love David-bloody-Beckham ?) Anyone who's ever read a copy of our shitty tabloid paper "The SUN" will understand what I mean... talk about an uptight bunch of cretins, but I work with guy's who believe everthing they read in it.

Jayme.

(My views may not represent those of anyone else from England, it's how I feel)

[Ibuki_Warpetal]

Ok well if anyone ever decides to move or take a vacation and doesn't know where to go, come to Anchorage. I'll take ya around. :)
Properties are getting expensive but I hear they are still well below the rest of the world. ;)

[Tristen Cox]

You got an extra room? :cool:

[Ibuki_Warpetal]

Haha I did until a week ago when 1 1/2 roommates moved in... :(

Idunno what I'd do if someone came to visit....

[sarah]

How many times i have asked myself the same questions...maybe one day we will have an answer mean time we suffer in silence because ..yes we are different...from the norm.but again i ask who deciced whats norm ,i know no one asked me .did they ask you....

[azure]

Im in the welsh bit of the uk, and as a person who lived for 8 years in role, I encountered many ddifferent attitudes(these attitiudes eventually drove me to putting my transition on hold) yes people here greatly fear, AND more to the point dislike anyone who is daring to be thensleves, to admit to the world who they are, and have the strength to succeed, brition hate success, if you do go out there they are like vulture who circle waiting for when you show weakness, then they go in for the kill,see Paula Radcliff, Tim Henman, or anyone in the spolight or simply in your street, who dares to yes "push the envelope". Also in the uk, we have the presence of pseudo openess, the presence of flaws in the value systems of society, in that, its perfectley ok to be drink excessivley, to take drugs, to be aggressive, to engage in diverse sexual practises, but god help you if you dare be yourself and harm no other.

We percieve and experience the condition as being governed by societal rules, that women wear garments which are specifically female and are indicators of their gender, men may wear these very garments though in set societal situations ie a fancy dress party(though attributions about the context of the garment is then changed as the rules allow this) We, are men(yes I dont like it either, but just bear with me) we have male bodies, and are goverend by the presence of the rules of identification, gender, and context. And as such, we may only experience the adoption of these garments as our own if we are percieved, recognised, are identified as a female, to a peer group or loved ones. To you and me, this means passing 100% 24/7 tough, but not impossible. I havnt got any answers really, and I miss being Sarah, and everything that goes with being a woman, even the not so nice stuff. Have I made a point, Im not sure, though Iwant to point out that the last winner of big brother uk was a transgendered person!

[Andrea]

I'm English and on the whole, we are a race of media led, telly addicted sheep. (if thats not true... WHY does Big brother get so much attention, and why does everyone love David-bloody-Beckham ?) Anyone who's ever read a copy of our shitty tabloid paper "The SUN" will understand what I mean... talk about an uptight bunch of cretins, but I work with guy's who believe everthing they read in it.

Jayme.

(My views may not represent those of anyone else from England, it's how I feel)

Want a bet ! (I'm English too)

Your too right about papers like the Sun. They show page 3 as being wholely acceptable yet claim to be a 'family newspaper'. If your not into football, David Beckham or Big Brother something is wrong with you. These sort of papers love to point fingers when they can (Posh and Becks marriage problems) whilst next week saying how wonderful they are.

These sorts of papers are the ones where people form an image of us. We are often portrayed as perverts and child mollesters. Untill this sort of thing changes what chance do we have of being accepted generally........ :(

[charise]

Dear Hot Lust
The reason your searching for,is fear,we chalenge male sexuality,by flaunting our femininity,this undermines a mans idea of himself,he feels betrayed if he is aroused by a CD,this can lead to anger and possibly violence.Women on the other hand might just be jealous.
Charise

[Kimberly]

Dont be fooled Ibuki_Warpetal, the way it seems to be here in the UK (in my view) is, if you're different in any way, everyone hates you, but has to pretend to accept diversity and be seen to embrace you, the only people who will really accept you are your own kind. if you can pass 100% completely then youre OK, but if you force one non dressing non TG person to have to actually think for a change..... youre in trouble.

I'm English and on the whole, we are a race of media led, telly addicted sheep. (if thats not true... WHY does Big brother get so much attention, and why does everyone love David-bloody-Beckham ?) Anyone who's ever read a copy of our shitty tabloid paper "The SUN" will understand what I mean... talk about an uptight bunch of cretins, but I work with guy's who believe everthing they read in it.

Jayme.

(My views may not represent those of anyone else from England, it's how I feel)
I wholeheartadly agree.

In the college I am at now, everyone seems very oppressive about anything mildly feminine I do. Eg: Growing my hair long... One girl's begging me not to do it!! WHY? because, my friends, it'll make me "look like a poof." Since when was it obligatory for gay men to grow their hair?

The only thing I'll add about the UK, is that aside from being very oppressive and traditional - no one wants to talk about anything that's not the social norm... or in fact, anything. No one talks on this bloody island. People get by on passing the time of day and the occassional chat about work. This is what bugs me!! No one asks to find out anything substantial about people. I mean all types of people...... anything!! No one cares, unless they look the same, talk the same and think the same. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! lol.

Maybe I am being a bit extreme..... ah well.

[Priscilla1018]

Hot Lust,be careful about going out dressed,Some girls have been beaten to death or hospitalised just for being who we are.If it makes the news at all it's usually with a sick joke from some so called commedian,or it's on the back page.Always make sure there are at least two of you together and you don't go into the wrong place.It's a sad fact that we are not included with the rest of NORMAL society. =)

[Bunny "GG"]

It's ok to express, and your right, it's scary outthere..Both Charlene and I carry mase, when we go out, just in case...I hate that we have to do this; although Charlene is passable in my eyes, and the public most always ignores him or thinks he is one of the Mercury Players (girls pro baskball team here) and asking for his autograph...(Of course his 6'3" and dark sunglasses add to the mystery appeal for most.)
Back to the thought, WE noticed when we went diving in Key West, that it is an open community..then was suprized to hear that it is the 2nd largest gay community in the U.S.. Another safe place for crossdressers to vacation...
:bunny:
Bunny GG

[Anita]

i live in england land of the politically correct
I am not an illegal immigrant
I am not a rapist/sexuual misfit/chil abuser
I do not take drugs
I am not a racialist
I couldn't give a fig about fox hunting
but
I am a crossdresser
so i am sociably unacceptable whereas all the others listed above are ok
I do not know the answer

As for the "Sun" i would not use it to wipe my etc etc

[Ibuki_Warpetal]

Sounds like you still have a bit of imperialism going on. To that I say damn the man, the machine, and rules of engagement.
Take charge, even if you don't know how, and demand to be accepted.

I had a nice little fantasy of me beating the crap out of someone for being a dumbcrap like that. I could never hit anyone, but in my fantasies it's a great feeling. =) If there's one place I want complete control it's society.

[Roberta-Jane]

We need someone to have the balls? (perhaps that should be breasts) to put their head above the parapet and shout to the world that we are being treated as sub-human.

Whether in this country (UK) or anywhere else we should have freedom of expression.

In the UK we should all write to our MP's and demand that we be considered as 'normal' as anybody else.What IS normal anyway.

In the States you need a senator to be brave enough to do a 'Mr Smith goes to Washington' filibuster and not stand down until everybody accepts the diversity of human life.

I'm BLOODY ANGRY (excuse profanity) that I have apparently just lost my second life because I happen to be gender dysphoric.

If I am out to the world then this time I am going to make sure that it was worth it (unless I can persuade my wife that I am still worth her love and that I love her dearly).

Let's for God' sake start to do something about this stupid situation

Sorry, just very sad with myself at the moment.


NO peace NO tranquility


Roberta-Jane :mad:

[Sweet Jeanette]

I am calmed down now.------The situation IS stupid. ----Prissila, I am careful, in my town, Hell Yes!----Right now, I am dressed in a set of cut off denim shorts that my wife hemmed for me today, and tan thigh-high hose, and black 4 inch pumps. -----I regularly go out in the evening, to make sure my truck is locked up, and I live on a corner lot, and am highly visible. I like to take the chance. I think I want to court being beaten,, or shot!-----I am tired of all this S--t!------My wife will give me a pedicure, and paint my toenails this weekend. -------I am sure I will show them off later, in a way that would not be good for my health! I am GOING to dress the way I want!!!---She wants to paint my nails dark red.------She is a manicurist, along with her other talents.--------I don't know how all this is going to turn out!!!-----------Ha!----I just went to check my truck, and then, took a stroll around the block, in my cutoffs & tan thigh-highs & black heels. A car passed me, and I KNOW they saw me.-------Not even a "Honk"!!!!--------THIS, is not a good sign!!!! :mad: -------What are they?-----Oblivious to great beauty?--------Morons!!!--------I AM, Really risking it!!!-----I felt like a hooker, and I LOVED IT!-------We'll see what happens!

[Priscilla1018]

Hot Lust,

Please be careful.I can understand wanting to throw it in their face and say to the world that I Am A Crossdresser,maybe at some future date we will be able to.Until that time,don't become a statistic or artical on the back page of the paper.Our time will come.

[paulaN]

I have felt the very same way for many years. Maybe someday we can all get together somewhere in the usa. and dress and do as we feel. sort of a crossdressers convention. maybe start our town, Maine is for sale if you have the money. vacationland for the crossdresser. sounds nice to me I'd love to vacation there.

[Maddie Knight]

I live in England and work in a totaly male enviroment. It realy annoys me when a story in the media about a tv or gay or anybody that they don't see as normal is the subject. These guys are so prejudice its unbeliveable. Sometimes feel like shouting out my secret just to see the look on there face, but then I know thats not be a good idea.

[AbbyLee]

One way of looking at is that we are the pioneers for future generations, and like any group ahead of their time we must suffer the trials and tribulations of society. Foums such as ours 'blaze the trail' for others to follow. Unfortunately, at the moment we are 'contra campo' against the field

Love,

AbbyLee

[Sweet Jeanette]

Hot Lust,

Please be careful.I can understand wanting to throw it in their face and say to the world that I Am A Crossdresser,maybe at some future date we will be able to.Until that time,don't become a statistic or artical on the back page of the paper.Our time will come.

I try to be careful, but sometimes I come unglued!------I not only want to throw it in their face;------I want to RUB IT in their faces!!! :devious: ---I wear high heels, and I want to use them viciously, on these "know it alls", and the "Better than thou" bunch!!!-------I know they would LOVE to use a baseball bat on ME! :eek: ----if they knew who I was!!!-------I say, ---P-ss on this santimonious bunch of a--holes, that think they are Gods gift!!!----I know our day will come, but I would sort of, like to be a part of the "new enlightenment", that our future kind will eventually enjoy. I have learned to spot girls going enfem, and I feel sorry that they have to worry so much about being caught!--I see it in their eyes, when they see that I have spotted them!---I feel bad when I see this reaction from them, and it makes me mad!!!------Mad, that they are worried, and maybe, scared.----I see this in my local Walmart all the time. ----I HATE, that WE have to feel like this!!!-------We SHOULD have a Crossdressers convention!----And A BIG place that we can go, and enjoy, and be and dress as we feel!!!----Without fear of the Cretins outside!------Im sorry, I ran on again. I should not do this, but it's how I feel about us.----(Tie me to the post and beat me)!----I run my mouth too much. :o

[Tristen Cox]

Not at all;) I'm glad at least we have somewhere to vent these emotions. I know if I ever saw the fear on another 'sisters' face how it would make me feel. And to ever see one of 'us' being put down in public? Well I might have to join you in the spiked heel brigade =)

[DonnaT]

There are plenty of places you can go and be yourself. Who said you couldn't? My wife did :D , but if it weren't for her I would go where I want when I want.

[Sweet Jeanette]

There are plenty of places you can go and be yourself. Who said you couldn't? My wife did :D , but if it weren't for her I would go where I want when I want.

Where, prey tell, can we go, that does not involve a lot of money, and traveling?------Not in a small town like I live in!!!---Sure, there are smallplaces that we can gather in secrecy, but what Im saying, is that we ought to be able to walk down the street, like all the other people, in what we want to wear, and not fear for our lives, because of,----"Them"!---A lot of us do not make great wads of money; A lot of us can't afford to take a vacation every year!---A lot of us live on maybe $25,000 gross a year, and barely get by!-----Like ME!----I have a wife that is mildly mentally challanged, and made $4,300 gross last year!---I have a home -3 vehicles and a motorcycle, (for high gas prices). -------Those kinds of places you talk about are way far off, for me, and, Im sure, for a lot of the others!---Like I say; We ought to be free, to do what we want, and feel and dress as we want!!!------Where WE ARE!-----This is my point!

[DonnaT]

Who do you fear where you live now.

One of our members here, though not having posted in a while, living in CA goes about her business every day dressed. No wig, most of the times no makeup, and most of all, no hassles.

Another in another forum commented recently that her wife asked her if she'd like to go out to lunch. Two GGs sitting next to them told her she looked hot. She said it was because she wasn't trying to pass, and clearly looked like a man in a dress. Why then did they say she was hot? She believes it was because she has great legs peeking out her short skirt :D

I'm on 5 forums and there are girls on all of them going out and about all the time. Some every day, some occasionally. People accept them because they are not being fake.

Point is, most of us have a fear of being attacked when in reality, it's not likely to happen in a lot of cases. Laughed at maybe, complimented maybe, ignored more than likely. But attacked, depends on where you live I reckon and how rough the folks are living there.

[Katie Ashe]

Why is there not a place, (in society) where we can walk and go and be "ourselves:(

Simply because ignorance is on a rapage, and politicians don't give a damn.

Katie

[Sweet Jeanette]

Who do you fear where you live now.

One of our members here, though not having posted in a while, living in CA goes about her business every day dressed. No wig, most of the times no makeup, and most of all, no hassles.

Another in another forum commented recently that her wife asked her if she'd like to go out to lunch. Two GGs sitting next to them told her she looked hot. She said it was because she wasn't trying to pass, and clearly looked like a man in a dress. Why then did they say she was hot? She believes it was because she has great legs peeking out her short skirt :D

I'm on 5 forums and there are girls on all of them going out and about all the time. Some every day, some occasionally. People accept them because they are not being fake.



Point is, most of us have a fear of being attacked when in reality, it's not likely to happen in a lot of cases. Laughed at maybe, complimented maybe, ignored more than likely. But attacked, depends on where you live I reckon and how rough the folks are living there.

You live in a civilized State. I live in the Wild West!---Your people are more accepting in the larger cities, and especially back east.---I live in a land of real cowboys, and real ranchers, along with all the old-style attidudes you might expect.---(Remember the boy that was tied to a barbed wire fence, and then beaten to death?----in Wyoming, or Montana, I think.)---simply because the locals found out he was gay?----It was a few years ago, but I remember it.----I live in this kind of place.-----You dare not even show a painted toenail, even in the emergency room, or the whole town will know about it, and your life is in danger!---This is REAL!---Don't doubt me!!!---Don't tell me to move away, because I cannot afford to.---Our town is 52 miles from a large city, (being Amarillo, Texas).----We are isolated, with nothing around us. Certain groups of people here, seem to do what they want to, and mostly get away with it!!!---We are talking Cults, secret societys, things like that. And it goes all the way up to the highest of our leading citizens!---------I have said enough.---Our internet is sometimes monitered by the providers of it.