Think you could pass as a guy?

[Kate Simmons]

Yeah, I know it sounds like a dumb question but think about it. We go to great pains to get the femme moves, facial expressions and other subtleties down to be able to pass as women but what if is the shoe is on the other foot? Could we pass as a guy as our femme self who is really a guy passing as a woman? It's really not as easy as it may sound because I tried it a few years back when I was Ericka trying to pass as "Eric" at the club one night.

Once I got the obligatory femme enhancements in place, I attempted to tone things down to make it appear as if I didn't have hips and breasts and wore a tight sports bra with the forms and jeans that were a tad baggy. The makeup was much more difficult and after I shaved and put on the beard cover I had to make it look like I was wearing no makeup at all which isn't easy believe me :rolleyes:.

While the voice didn't seem to be an issue, trying to walk like a girl who is trying to walk like a guy is dang hard. What really blew my cover though was when I attempted to dance, I just wasn't stiff enough to look like a guy as I learned to dance as a girl and was free and loose so everyone knew who I was immediately by my dance moves so I just shrugged my shoulders and kept going.

So what was the point of all of this? At the time I was getting in touch with all of my feelings and attempting to bring them into balance in order to become an overall person who would be free of the binary gender thinking of society. It also served a dual purpose in that it gave me somewhat of an indication of what our FTM brothers may go through sometimes when they try to pass. Think we have it so tough trying to pass as a girl? Not by a long shot my friends.;):)

[Sonia_cd]

Wow! Is that a different perspective or what. I never thought of it that way and quite honestly I have no way of answering this truthfully given that I am still in the closet.

Having said that, when I am dressed at home I do find that my mannerisms change, my walk changes, my gestures change and become more animated. Why have I noticed this, you ask? Easy, I work from home a lot of the time and when I take calls I often catch myself doing and saying things I never would as my male self. Of late if I'm sitting around in drab but tucked and with panties on, I think nothing of crossing my legs as a woman would and then catch myself in the nick of time. So I imagine it would be really difficult to pass as a man whilst dressed as a woman but is actually a man.

Curious....very curious. Thank you for initiating this thread Arianna. Makes one really think... :hugs:

Sonia

[MJ]

me pass as a guy?... no but my voice passes with no problems .but as for my my mannerisms and my gestures if i tried to pass as a guy i would come across very gay.. not that theres anything wrong with being gay just for the record..

[Ruth]

Our resident Wise Woman, Karren, said a while back that she was almost butch enough to pass as a man, and I guess I sometimes feel like that too.
What you're saying, Arianna, is rather more complex than that, and most of us have not got to the stage of wanting to try it.
But we certainly find ourselves in some strange circular situations with all this criss-crossing of the gender boundaries. It's fun but you have to keep your mind on who you are at any given time.

[avril findlay]

What a great question.
That's something I honestly have never thought about and my answer is I don't think so. I could probably pretend to be butch for a short while but I'm sure the way I talk and act would soon give me away.

[Nicole Erin]

I would have a hell of a time trying to hide the fact that I am CD.
Yeah I pass as a guy but not as a 100% straight guy and certainly not as a manly man.

[Jenna1561]

Passing as a guy is becoming more and more difficult each passing day. Even when I do not dress (when I'm out with my wife) I'm more often than not addressed as a lady and we're mistaken for a pair of women; which inicidentally infuriates my wife to no end, as she detests this facet of of me.

But, I've never dressed as Jenna and tried to pass as a guy - don't think it could happen.


Jenna

[jennifer41356]

who would want to do that????:eek::brolleyes::drink:

[docrobbysherry]

I live in my closet for a number of reasons. Nothing about me could pass in public!

No one would EVER believe I CD. I just told an old friend. The only one I I've told. She didn't believe me! Even after I sent her pictures!:doh:

[Daphne Renee]

wow.. thats just too confusing. I still havent been quite able to pass as a girl yet.. (well I might be able to with enough time and money).. trying to pass as a girl who passes as a guy..
too much work for me thanks. :)

[Sophie_C]

Yeah, I know it sounds like a dumb question but think about it. We go to great pains to get the femme moves, facial expressions and other subtleties down to be able to pass as women but what if is the shoe is on the other foot? Could we pass as a guy as our femme self who is really a guy passing as a woman? It's really not as easy as it may sound because I tried it a few years back when I was Ericka trying to pass as "Eric" at the club one night.

Once I got the obligatory femme enhancements in place, I attempted to tone things down to make it appear as if I didn't have hips and breasts and wore a tight sports bra with the forms and jeans that were a tad baggy. The makeup was much more difficult and after I shaved and put on the beard cover I had to make it look like I was wearing no makeup at all which isn't easy believe me :rolleyes:.

While the voice didn't seem to be an issue, trying to walk like a girl who is trying to walk like a guy is dang hard. What really blew my cover though was when I attempted to dance, I just wasn't stiff enough to look like a guy as I learned to dance as a girl and was free and loose so everyone knew who I was immediately by my dance moves so I just shrugged my shoulders and kept going.

So what was the point of all of this? At the time I was getting in touch with all of my feelings and attempting to bring them into balance in order to become an overall person who would be free of the binary gender thinking of society. It also served a dual purpose in that it gave me somewhat of an indication of what our FTM brothers may go through sometimes when they try to pass. Think we have it so tough trying to pass as a girl? Not by a long shot my friends.;):)

To be perfectly honest, i've NEVER passed extremely well as a guy. I'm not tooting my horn or anything, but i've simply always come off somewhat feminine, no matter how hard i've tried to mask it, and that's generally not led to positive consequences.

You see, to me, I don't see 'two sides' to myself. I recognize I have a strongly feminine nature and simply compose myself to look like a man most of the time, since, well, my life would be ruined, otherwise. It's a role I play and just something i've been doing as long as I can remember.

I don't need to pretend this or do this as an exercise in crossdressing. I do it every day in not behaving like what I am 100% on the inside.

[Sammy777]

That is very Victor Victoria .....er Victor thinking Arianna.

Ok you got my head spinning, again, Interesting.

[Nadia-Maria]

Great post Arianna. LOL !!:thumbsup:

Nadia

[Kate Simmons]

What I neglected to mention was that I had modified one of my short wigs to look like a guy cut when I did this as I didn't have a "guy" wig at the time. I had gotten one after that and subsequently wore it to the club dressed as Ericka with full makeup, etc. With this I got mixed results as folks were trying to figure out just "what" I was. Sometimes I just do things not knowing why and just go with the flow and the feelings. I realized later that my motivation was to see just how accepting some would be with "mixed gender' presentations. While some were okay with it, some were uncomfortable or confused, so it seems in general as a society we have a long way to go with that. Acceptance for who you are as a person seems to be conditional sometimes even among LGBT folks.

The reason I brought this up was because of what is happening with me currently. Over the years since coming out, I have been accepted as my femme self and have developed that self accordingly. Now conditions have changed somewhat and I need to be Rich for awhile, so have put Aria on the shelf for now. The question in my mind is how effective can I be at that without the "crutch" of my femme self to fall back on? I keep talking about balance and integration and being the same person regardless but just how effective is that really in a real life test? Can I really be myself without presenting as Arianna? Time will tell I guess.:)

[pamela_a]

I probably could if I absolutely had to, but why on earth would I want to do it. The only possible reason I can think of would be for something regarding my son.

-Paula-