fighting for acceptance among other women

[gagirl1]

lately, i've been trying harder and harder to try and gain the acceptance of women that were born women. i guess it's a try to validate myself as a woman. my question is, has it ever been more important to you to be accepted by other women than accepting yourself as a woman?

[MarciManseau]

lately, i've been trying harder and harder to try and gain the acceptance of women that were born women. i guess it's a try to validate myself as a woman. my question is, has it ever been more important to you to be accepted by other women than accepting yourself as a woman?

I couldn't not accept myself as a woman because that's what I truly am, but I can understand what you mean. I've always longed to be a total part of the female population, and as I've been full time for over 7 years with no problems, I guess I'm doing fine.

Hugs, Marci :love:

[melimelo]

I feel that the two sides are connected. One could argue that the only thing that matter is that you are what you feel inside. If you feel like a woman inside, then that's what you are. Same thing for FtMs...

Unfortunately, no one lives on a desert island. And only the strongest among us can go in the world in their new gender and not care if they are not accepted by others. And I certainly don't count me in that group... I'm still far from transitioning, but my goal is to make myself as presentable as I can, and that "lose" myself in the female crowd. Being accepted by others (and in my mind, especially by people of the same gender as the one you are transitioning to) is a kind of positive reinforcement that makes life a lot nicer...

Having said that, I sincerely admire all the girls and boys that made the jump and live 24/7 in their new gender. I long to join the gang.

Cheers,

Melanie

[Nicki B]

my question is, has it ever been more important to you to be accepted by other women than accepting yourself as a woman?

I don't see how you can separate the two - IMHO they're two halves of the same coin? :strugglin

[Lisa Golightly]

No.

[Kimberley]

Important? My pdoc said it was imperative. So I just ran a friends only ad on Kijiji and got a half doz. replies. Exchanged a few emails and met a couple in person. They were very accepting.

Transition requires (at least if you want to be successful out in the world) to be socialized as female. Of course you can still stay sequestered but you are young and have a long life ahead of you. I should think you would want to be socialized as a female. It only makes sense that if you are you would want this.
:hugs:
Kimmie

[gagirl1]

being socialized as a female is definitely important to avoiding unwanted attention from the wrong kind of people. i got a crash course last night from a friend last night. really opened my eyes.

[Steph Butterfield]

I'm struggling for any acceptance at all from men or women

[gagirl1]

Steph, I thought England was a place generally accepting of alternative lifestyles. or is that just London because it's a large city?

[Miss Tessa]

When I was waiting for the bus and didn't have a big enough femme wardrobe I might have had on male pants or a regular T shirt and since it wasn't femme enough it stood out as I am 5'10" and had not yet began hormones or just started. I didn't know if it would be considered right for me to get on the bus before the other women who were waiting because I didn't want to be rude if they would have perceived me as male.

[Steph Butterfield]

Steph, I thought England was a place generally accepting of alternative lifestyles. or is that just London because it's a large city?

Britain is hell for anyone who stands out, where do people get this fluffy idea of Britain from. The queen da da da and her subjects, the truth is Britain is a violent society, with gangs of youths terrorising the inner cities, drugs, and anti social behaviour is rife.

London is as bad as anywhere, I been abused and threatened there too, and a few transsexual girls have been murdered, Kelly Tellesford to name one.

Britain is a intolerant place end of story

[gagirl1]

wow, Steph. I had no idea. I've just heard stories from the London area and I'll admit they probably were from a narrow perspective. I'm sorry to hear about Ms. Tellesford, and all the problems you mentioned. It saddens me to hear that, it truely does. I just now heard the details of the recent murder of Duanna Johnson, and all of this combined has really put some perspective on life. This wonderful world can turn so terrible in the blink of an eye. It astonishes me.

[Liana]

I worry about being excepted, usualy its open minded people i meet online.
I want to be excepted but i have a feeling it will not happen over night.

I have yet to start hormones.. when i do then ill start dressing in public, if i started dressing now i would probebly draw attention i do not want.. especialy living in this area, people here are heavy into religion and your not wanted if your different.

Especialy by young christian teenage males, they like to attack people who are different.

[Nicki B]

Steph, I thought England was a place generally accepting of alternative lifestyles. or is that just London because it's a large city?

It depends where you are, how cosmopolitan and accepting of difference they are used to being - we have rural areas and urban ones where there is little population movement in and out, just like the US, but they're physically much smaller..

Personally I've been out in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Manchester, Liverpool, Chester, Birmingham, Nottingham, Leicester, London, Reading, Bristol, Bath, Gloucester, Cheltenham, Cardiff, Exeter, Plymouth, Brighton, as well as loads of smaller places (Pwllheli?) - and not had any real problems, although there are certainly differences. The E.Mids and S.Wales are not so used to difference, for a start.. And I don't live in the 'macho' NE, like Steph does.. :sad:

[Jenna1561]

...I have yet to start hormones.. when i do then ill start dressing in public, if i started dressing now i would probebly draw attention i do not want.. especialy living in this area, people here are heavy into religion and your not wanted if your different.

Especialy by young christian teenage males, they like to attack people who are different.


How so very "Christian" of them. So many so-called Christians are so hypocritical. They hide behind a profession of Christianity but in reality just exhibit their own personal brand of bigotry and exclusion.


Jenna

[MJ]

thats a good question. and no clear answer for the most part woman are accepting but you just have to find them. there again some are not unfortunately you will find them too.

you must above all accept yourself first. if you try to live up to other people expectations you won't have time to be yourself because you will try to please everybody expect yourself.
does that make sense

[gagirl1]

makes perfect sense, MJ. I think that's an overall life-lesson that could apply to anyone - accept yourself for who you are and forget those that don't accept you for that.

[MJ]

makes perfect sense, MJ. I think that's an overall life-lesson that could apply to anyone - accept yourself for who you are and forget those that don't accept you for that.

good i just want you to be happy with you. and not make mistakes like many of us have. the bottom line is just be happy as you are and others will accept you as you are ..

[Louise C]

This is very interesting, i've often wondered if tg girls feel the need to be accepted by women.
I was in a shoe shop asking about a pair of heels in a size 8(UK) and the look of disgust from the woman customer stood next to me took me by surprise.

I long to be a woman, but really am not sure if i could stand up to the batterings as others who have taken the final step.

I once knew a guy who ran a music shop over here, but moved away - i found out later that he'd gone for a sex change, - never saw him again much to my regret, if only i'd known at the time.....



phew, sorry to hijack the thread!:o

[gagirl1]

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I long to be a woman

does anything else matter?

[Louise C]

Oh, to be your age again today - i would do things so differently.