Are The Stereotypes True?

[balletchick]

They say, whoever "they" are that two charateristics of crossdressers is that they are highly intelligent ( and from what I have read here you all seem like an intelligent bunch) and crossdressers we are collectors.

I am definately a collector I have a cd and DVD collection that requires its own room my book collection as well is getting out of hand and of coarse my clothes male and female. Contrary to what they say I do not hate my male clothes I just hate the male underwear and socks womens clothes in the underwear department are far superior. I like male fashion as far as designer suits go I have Armani, Boss, Calvin Klein and I love them. I have trouble finding womens designer clothes that fit properly.

So my question is are you a collector and what do you collect? Also if anybody wants to reveal IQ test scores you can. Also if you are a reader what authors do you read?

Let's see if these two stereotypes are true, intelligent and collectors...

[DAVIDA]

About the only thing that I collect is SHOES!:daydreaming: Really, I'm not kidding.:)

[Jonelle]

I am a phyics major, i collect rock instruments, i recently read 2012, great book if you are into the end of the world theory type stuff.

oh and iq test 137

[curse within]

I collect a lot..Coins and paper money silver certificates ,Steins ,original canvas oil paintings , sports cards ,out dated electronics in like new condition and of course DVDs

[tanya1976]

I'm definately a collector. As for intelligence, I let others decide!

[lynn2c]

I collect alot of things, guitars, electronics ( love gagets), hallmark christmas ornaments, train stuff. Wow, I've never really thought about it, but I DO collect alot of stuff.
IQ score??? don't know, don't care. I was in the top 5% of my classes.....but that was along time and many brain cells ago.

[Jennifer Brooks]

I collect military items. Uniforms, guns, paperwork, stuff like that. More expensive than "Dressing".

[ElaineB]

I am a rocket scientist and I have a huge yet growing collection of DVDs.

[Celeste]

I collect antique hand tools and older stringed musical instruments.

[Intertwined]

Ask my wife... I collect junk, LOL

As for intelligence, I have been told I am above average, but I do not know, and do not really care.

I have found, that most people that think there are smart, usually are not.

[trannie T]

I have a lot of worthless objects, not so much of a collector as a packrat. My IQ? If I were more of an underachiever I could join Mensa.

[charlene_d]

I don't believe in IQ tests.

I have a Ph.D. (that and $3.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.)

I collect books. Don't read a whole lot of fiction. Mostly popular science.

Charlene D.

[sandra-leigh]

I've never bothered to get tested as a adult.

Estimates... well, it would depend a lot on what you were measuring. I would rank notably below average on some of the "multiple intelligences" scales (e.g., nearly anything having to do with music or drawing or any of the "visual arts".) But in some things, observation suggests I would fairly likely be ranked above the 1 in 1000 level (above the Sigma III level), maybe even above 1 in 10,000 in some skills, but it seems unlikely to me that I would be at the 3 in 100,000 level (the Sigma IV level, the level that some people use as the definition of "genius".)

And no, I do not have a head for trivia, so don't expect me to even try out for Jeopardy! !


Collector... ummm, not really. It is true that I have a couple of thousand books, but that's just because I read a lot and seldom dispose of books (I keep them and re-read them.)

[KellyCD]

Well I do collect alot of stuff, as far as being intelligent....supposedly my IQ is 134.

But I'll use my ASVAB scores they tell the bigger picture.

GT 114
ADMIN 122
CMBT 126
ELEC 120
FA 124
MECH 128
FOOD 120
COMMO 120
MAINT 128
TECH 126

[avril findlay]

Well I've got a lot of dresses, skirts/blouses, shoes etc. but that's not really collecting stuff is it? I used to have a load of Barbie stuff when I was a little girl. As for intelligence, I don't really know. I've done an awful lot of silly things but I don't think I'm stupid.

[Nadia-Maria]

I have yet to meet someone in my surroundings who feels deeply inside to be not intelligent at all, even if I can meet people who can prove their own humility (or lucidity) by denying to be intelligent at all.:devil:

As for myself, I can only recognize being unable to always behave as an intelligent person :tongueout, and always as a honest one as well.:eek:

[Joanne f]

Intelligence, what is that lol i would say that i have none whatsoever.
Now collecting is a different story, i will collect most things , stamps, old bottles , swords/ bayonets, shell /bullet case`s, fossils , come to think of it just about anything .
Sorry to mess up the first part of your theory, but then maybe i am not a Cd and that would put the theory back on track :heehee:



joanne

[Deborah Jane]

Dumb + Blonde=Intelligence?....I don,t think so :p

But i do collect things....DVDs, CDs, magazines and womens clothing, lots of it, expecially panties :battingeyelashes:

[RachelDenise]

Yes, the stereotypes are true! :heehee: So I'm told anyway. Smart? Who knows. Collecting? Yes.

[TommiTN]

CDers must be of above average intelligence; a dullard just would not have the imagination to do what we do. I have collected different things through my life, from die cast cars, militaria, pinups and feminine items. I also collect useless knowledge and currently have a head full of it. I read about what interests me at the moment; a lot of history and social commentary. I'm told my intelligence is above the mean. I don't know what my IQ is and don't really care. My mom told me I scored 140 when I was a child but that was more years ago than I care to think about and things change over time. If a person stimulates their mind their IQ cannot help but increase.

[Nicki B]

They say, whoever "they" are that two charateristics of crossdressers is that they are highly intelligent ( and from what I have read here you all seem like an intelligent bunch) and crossdressers we are collectors.

Surely, this is a self-selecting question... :idontknow:

Is anyone really likely to say 'yes, I'm dumb' and mean it? :) All those you find on internet message boards have at least proved they can access and use a computer and find their way around such forums.

Humans generally tend to be collectors and hoarders - it's not a characteristic specific to CDs? :idontknow:

*looks at my partner's collection of porcelain figurines*

[Joanne f]

Surely, this is a self-selecting question... :idontknow:

Is anyone really likely to say 'yes, I'm dumb' and mean it? :)


YES me , i would never make a joke about anything :sad:


joanne

[Kimberly Marie Kelly]

As far as IQ, somewhere in the mid 120's Scored high in abstractions and creative thought on other tests. But I don't think I'm smart. :battingeyelashes:

[Jocelyn Quivers]

Very true sometimes I think way too much about things which often gets me in trouble, and I also collect worthless things such as video games, video game systems, vintage pantyhose etc.

[PortiaHoney]

I dyed my hair blonde just to have an excuse!!!!
But I didn't end up having more fun - darn it!!!!!

[Deborah Jane]

I dyed my hair blonde just to have an excuse!!!!
But I didn't end up having more fun - darn it!!!!!

Just a thought Portia....Maybe your dye wasn,t blonde enough to activate the fun gene :battingeyelashes:

[PortiaHoney]

Just a thought Portia....Maybe your dye wasn,t blonde enough to activate the fun gene :battingeyelashes:

Sorry DJ. The emphasis should have been on MORE fun. How can I have more fun when I'm already having a ball!!!! Didn't mean I wasn't having fun woo hoo!!!:drink::devil:

There's a fun gene????? Must get me one of them - Where do you buy em.... Might not be available in OZ??? E-Bay???

Woops - is my blonde showing...

[TxKimberly]

Sorry, but in my case you would be mistaken. I don't have any collections (unless you include the hundreds of science fiction books I read) and I'm dumb as a rock.
Never had an IQ test, and only recall the GT score of my ASVAB which was 120.

All kidding aside, I've never heard anyone claim we were collectors before. I've heard that we tend to be reasonably intelligent (like any of us are going to argue with that one) and that we tend toward "professional" occupations. Never heard we were pack rats though. . .

[Nicki B]

There's a fun gene????? Must get me one of them - Where do you buy em.... Might not be available in OZ??? E-Bay???

You could try Levi's (http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/fashion/levis/222834/)..

[sandyb40c]

I'd never heard of these theories before, but I guess it makes sense. Iv'e no idea what my IQ is, but I have always been good at exams and tests.

As for collecting, I drive my wife crazy with the amount of stuff I have accumulated over the years - CDs, videos, DVDs, records, magazines, books. I can never seem to part with them.

Unfortunately, the only things I've thrown out have been my female clothes when I have felt the need to purge:doh:

[AmandaM]

I have a high IQ, emotional intelligence is another thing.

[Karren H]

IQ 140ish... I collect makeup.... old cameras... mining memorabelia.... mining stock certificates.... old engineering instraments...

[Sarah Martin]

I don't collect anything (except hangovers) and last took IQ tests between the ages of 20 and 25. (I'm now 50). They scored between 135 and 142.

But I still have 'blonde' moments and I don't think that a reasonable IQ is an indication of anything except an aptitude for IQ tests. (I should point out that I have a degree in Pure Maths, so I may do better at the IQ tests than I should because of the maths/puzzle bias in the tests)

Sarah

[Rachel Morley]

I've never heard of these two things as being apparently what "they" say CDers are. :strugglin:

I don't collect anything at all ... never have (in my adult life). Intelligent? ... well, that IMHO is subjective ... compared to who? I can't remember what number it was but my IQ test came out as slightly above average, but that's all.

[Toni_Lynn]

Oh yes -- I do collect.

First -- I collect 78 rpm records. I have a collection that goes back to the early 20th century. My goal is to acquire a 78 of anything by the Beatles -- as India and the Philippines still issues 78s well into the mid 1960s. These, of course cost $$$$$!

Second -- I started collecting Readers Digest magazines from the 1930s and 1940s. Fascinating stuff to read.

Finally, and this is my CDer related collecting -- I collect vintage training bras from the 1960s and 1970s. I concentrate on the Teenform and Teencharm brands because those where the brands of my first training bras. I actually do own a specimen of my first training bra, a Teenform Pretty Please! It is so wonderful as it has the feature called 'gro-cups'. I just acquired 4 new training bras on eBay - swoon! I do this because it takes me back to a happier, simpler time in my life. Its my connection to my CD past, a past that was filled with some very sweet memories.

IQ -- in the 130s I think. I am very good at abstract thinking

Huggles

Toni-Lynn

[sandra-leigh]

All kidding aside, I've never heard anyone claim we were collectors before.

I've seen some informal claims that crossdressers tend towards OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder); as OCD also correlates with collecting, then if the claims are true, crossdressing would correlate with collecting. (It's one of those "friend of a friend" deals. :heehee:)


and that we tend toward "professional" occupations

Towards the beginning of this month, I read a few pages that classified there as being three kinds of transsexuals. According to that classification, one of the subgroupings did not correlate to particular occupations or to particular intelligence ranges: that subgrouping included the "early onset" transsexuals who had a strong sense of belonging to the "other" gender right from a very young age. A different subgrouping was described as correlating with high intelligence and "professional" occupations.The other two subgroups, if I recall correctly, where (1) those who are at inner peace with their gender personality traits and are unlikely to transition fully because doing so is not imperative for them; and (2) those who fight against their gender traits and may actively deny them for many many years, perhaps "overcompensating" with hypermasculine careers, until finally the internal pressures get to be too much -- the "late onset" transsexuals.

Unfortunately, I have forgotten the details., and have not been able to locate the pages since then. If anyone happens to know of a site that presents a breakdown along the lines I describe above, I would appreciate if you drop me a note with the URL.

[SherriePall]

OK, let me take a shot at this one. I am smarter than everybody else around me (especially, at work where I seem to be the only one who knows what she is doing). And I don't collect anything. I just don't throw anything away.
Right now, I am concentrating on collecting shoes (and not the male-type either!).

[Trinni]

I'm not a collector, I'm a pack rat. I keep everything because I know i will need it someday. When that someday comes, I can never find it. DOH! As for the IQ, I honestly don't know. I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but at the same time, My momma didn't raise no dummy.

[Tess]

I'm bright enough to know that there are a lot of people smarter than me. That led me to one of the great truths that helped me over achieve in my career...never underestimate anyone. I'm not a collector except for travel destinations or perhaps items of my family's history.

[April Simmons]

I collect old cars, up to eight or nine I think, SO has less tolerance for the cars than the CDing. I used to bore her with car talk but now we can discuss clothes together.:heehee:

Oh, also records, books...

Love,

April

[TGMarla]

Guilty as charged.

I'm highly educated. I have no idea what my IQ is, but I'd put it up against most educated and intelligent and enlightened individuals.

Collections? Well, I'm into history, so I love things that are antique. I have a library of books, and I collect signed baseballs. I also once did the train thing, and I still have the Amtrak passenger train, and the freight train locomotive, all boxed up somewhere. One of these days, I'm resurrecting the model railroad.

And I play and write music. I've done so since I was in my teens. I also golf alot, and whereas it takes very little intelligence to swing a club, it takes some brains to dissect and attack a tough hole without whacking it with a triple bogey.

So I think I fit the mold pretty well.

[Sally2005]

I've not heard those, but people tell me I am smart. I have a degree. I am a good problem solver and I collect only stuff I think I may need in the future. I collect hobbies of which I have too many.

[Maria2222]

They say, whoever "they" are that two charateristics of crossdressers is that they are highly intelligent

Wait a minute, Balletchick. You've obviously not met Deborah Jane.
:heehee: :heehee:

I'm with Davida. I seem to be becoming somewhat of a women's shoe collector.

[Vicki65]

I would say I'm intelligent. I perform RF engineering feats that might seem like black magic to some, and understand the mathematics that makes them possible. (I dont count qualifications as necessarily a measure of intelligence BTW, just a measure of being able to assimilate information)

As far as collecting, hmmm, not so sure. I have a wife who is an avid collector though. Does that count?

Fun genes? The skin tight ones you can tuck into your sexiest stiletto boots? :)

[Deborah Jane]

Wait a minute, Balletchick. You've obviously not met Deborah Jane.
:heehee: :heehee:


Yet another is lulled into a false sense of security :devil::devil:

[debbeelee1]

I'm a collector of many things and I have a degree in mechanical engineering.

[2b.Lauren]

Intelligence is such a relative thing. Some of the highest IQ's in the world can barely check the oil and tire pressure in their cars. They barely have any common sense what so ever. Yet we rate intelligence level by more of the score on a sheet of paper verses who you are and what you are capable of. Not poo pooing your thread. Education can be a very important marker but also it has more to do sometimes with opportunity verses ability. I hold a masters degree which puts me in a very rare percentage of the world, and I have read posts from PhD's on this thread and they are even more rare. With that said I have a decent level of intellect not the sharpest tool in the shed but in no way dull. I was a late bloomer. As for collecting I do collect hockey toys, used to collect comic books and still have my collection. I read some fiction but find myself reading more professional journals in psychology and counseling. I more so agree that CD's are very creative, because it is never easy to pull this off.

[Sammy777]

I have to agree that most people in general tend to collect something & it is not really a distinct trait of CD'ers.

You could say I collect vintage guitars, but seeing how I play/build/repair & restore them I don't really consider it collecting.

And my IQ is 167.
The jury is still out on the case of IQ: Gift vs Curse. lol

[gennee]

I collect hats, mugs, and books. I have heard and read tat CDs are intelligent and creative.

Gennee


:)

[bah-bah-bobbie]

Well my I.Q. is low enough that my GPA in school is currently 2.3-ish, but high enough that I can breathe on my own and use a bathroom as opposed to the front yard. The only thing I make an effort to collect is knives. But I have a habit of bring home any thing I find that can be cut apart or unbolted so I can weld it or bolt it back together with significant improvements in function and form. I also find I enjoy having a sizable video game library.

[sandra-leigh]

I hold a masters degree which puts me in a very rare percentage of the world, and I have read posts from PhD's on this thread and they are even more rare.

I checked out the 2006 census figures for Canada. Including immigrants, Masters level is about 3.38% of the population, and total PhD is about 1.22% of the population (0.53% medical PhD, 0.69% non-medical doctorates.) That makes a PhD in Canada rarer than eligibility for Mensa (2 standard deviations, roughly top 2% of the population), but not especially rare.

[Nadia-Maria]

Intelligence, what is that lol i would say that i have none whatsoever.


Hi Joanne,

You cannot be more true with that one, my dear and dumb Joanne. :love:

Only the most intelligent people know they are not, as they are the ones to be very aware of their huge limitations. Others are most often deluding themselves instead. :tongueout

Anyway I'm happy to be your friend, Joanne, because you have a great sense of humor.
And I praise this very quality of yours much better than intelligence.

Mostly because without humor, the life would be just a bad and very sad joke.:heehee:

Kisses

[Joanne f]

Hi Joanne,


Mostly because without humor, the life would be just a bad and very sad joke.:heehee:

Kisses


With a face like mine i have to have a sense of humor :lol::roflmao:

[Rachaelb64]

I was once told there are 3 types of people;

Intelligent
Common Sense
Stupid

You can be stupid, cause the common sense people will look out for you.
You can be intelligent, cause the common sense people will look out for you.
You can't have too much common sense

If your stupid and have common sense then you'll muddle through.
If your intelligent and have common sense you are rare and gifted person.
If you only have common sense, then you'll survive life just fine.

I don't collect things cause I can't afford it. Am I intelligent? Once in a blue moon. Stupid? Probably at times. But I'm getting through life ok :)

[Christina Nicole]

Mostly been lurking here now and again, but decided to toss my hat into the ring for this one.

I don't collect; I keep. Collecting implies a goal. A stamp collector who tries to get every stamp in a series or a particularly impressive, rare, or whatever specimen. A keeper, which I prefer to the term pack rat, retains his or her things. So I kept most of the interesting (limited production, different, etc) cars I bought rather than trading them in. I'm up to five, but I'd add more if I could add more garage space.

I keep documentation and information that relates to my hobbies. I have auto stuff going back 30 years and boating stuff going back 20. I have a tremendous amount of computer stuff going back to my Apple ][+ days, including the computer itself, but I got rid of the old 286, 386, etc machines since they weren't interesting. I buy mostly hardcover books, both fiction and non-fiction, because, again, I keep them.

The only reason I will get rid of my clothes, and since I'm writing as Christina, that means my woman's clothing, is because I bought something newer and nicer for which I need to make room. The other possible reason is that my wife forced a purge. In that case, I get rid of the marginal items and hide away the really nice things.


One intelligence test when I was very young showed an IQ of 137, and a later one was 145. A series of aptitude tests I took when I was beginning to look at colleges placed me in the top 1% of those who took the test. Full disclosure, that test also placed me in the fortieth percentile group for "clerical accuracy and speed." So if you find any typos in this posting, that's why. And obviously my dream job isn't secretarial even if I could wear frilly blouses and skirts every day.

Warmest regards,
Christina Nicole

[Charlotte Sometimes]

I have always been a classic over achiever... tops in my class and first of my friends to have the exec title not sure it has always been a matter of intelligence as much as drive.

As for collecting I am a serious collector married to a collector (no voice of sanity here) we have many collections books historic documents antiques etc.

[tamarav]

I do tend to collect, but I am no more intelligent than any other girl on this forum.

[sometimes_miss]

I think beating IQ tests is a poor judge of how smart we truly are; being a human calculator and memorizing facts isn't all there is. There are plenty of geniuses that killed themselves because they were miserable, and didn't see any way that would ever change. I think that more important, is how well we do with our lives. I'm a perfect example. I've been told I'm extra smart since I was a kid, and can beat the tests handily. But my life is a mess, I've been alone now for ten years, and can't figure out how to fix my life. So much for having a 163 IQ. I know plenty of people who are quite happy but can't even figure out how much to tip. So guess who I think is smarter.

[balletchick]

I think beating IQ tests is a poor judge of how smart we truly are; being a human calculator and memorizing facts isn't all there is. There are plenty of geniuses that killed themselves because they were miserable, and didn't see any way that would ever change. I think that more important, is how well we do with our lives. I'm a perfect example. I've been told I'm extra smart since I was a kid, and can beat the tests handily. But my life is a mess, I've been alone now for ten years, and can't figure out how to fix my life. So much for having a 163 IQ. I know plenty of people who are quite happy but can't even figure out how much to tip. So guess who I think is smarter.

I agree with what you say IQ tests are not an acurate measure of intelligence since there are several types of intelligence. There are street smarts which I believe to be the best for navigating through life, the ability to read people and see several moves ahead of everybody else is the best asset you can have. Common sense is up there then intelliect and book smarts.

I have had three tests I scored high on all three not as high as you but pretty close. Like you my life is a mess, I'm an artist and can create works of art but can't balance a check book. Thats why I feel IQ tests dont always show the various types of intelligence.

As for my original post on this thread it was not me who said crossdressers are smart or collectors this seems to be listed as characteristics of crossdressers that I have read at various websites if anybody has a link to any of these characteristics please post it.

[balletchick]

Also I'm curious as to what everybody reads. What kind of books? What authors? and to answer my own question I read Bret Easton Ellis, H.P. Lovecraft, and Franz Kafka.

[Billie Jean]

I collect pantyhose and vintage stockings (Berkshire). I'm smarter than most of the dummies I hang around with and dumber than most of the smart ones. Billie jean

[Jaquelyn]

I'm dumber than a box of rocks, but I am kind of a pack rat. :battingeyelashes:

[jazmine]

I collect and restore classic arcade game machines. I have over 35 in the house. Every room has a few except the two bathrooms! Here's the kicker, my wife is ok with it. Sees them as works of art.
So that's what I collect.......
Oh yeah, I have over 50 guitars too. Every room has a couple hanging on the wall.........except for the two bathrooms.

that's all folks.......

[AmandaM]

I checked out the 2006 census figures for Canada. Including immigrants, Masters level is about 3.38% of the population, and total PhD is about 1.22% of the population (0.53% medical PhD, 0.69% non-medical doctorates.) That makes a PhD in Canada rarer than eligibility for Mensa (2 standard deviations, roughly top 2% of the population), but not especially rare.

Actually, I think for Mensa you have to be in the top 1%, one deviation. That would be any IQ above, I think 150. Above 130 is 2%, which is my range (from 133 to 144 depending on test). I have a BS and MA. I could count the two AA's but two-year degrees aren't usually included when talking about "an education". Assuming that the USA percentage of master's degrees is about the same as Canada's, I'm in the top 4% of the population, and yet, I am unemployed! So, who's the dummy now. :D

[CD Susan]

Collecting?.....Isn't that just another word for not getting rid of anything? O.K. I "collect", old cars, old car parts, guns, old ammunition and reloading components, coins, old model trains, 33 rpm albums, bottles, beer cans, womens vintage girdles and bras, old fishing lures and rods and reels, beer and liquor signs, old watches, old jewelry, old gun magazines, old car magazines, mirrors, shot glasses, Indian arrowheads, model cars from the muscle car era, any old pictures from the 50's and earlier, ect. ect. ect. i will stop here but suffice it to say that I collect just about everything. As for that question about intelligence, I think I am just your average Joe/Jane and don't concern myself with such issues, I am happy with who I am and that is all that matters to me.

[Rita D]

I collect music CD's, DVD's, toys (Vintage mostly), movie posters, autographs, and of course my favorite-SLIPS! Don't know what all of this means I.Q.-wise, but one of my CD friends once said, "Rita, you look real SMART in that slip!":)

[sandra-leigh]

Actually, I think for Mensa you have to be in the top 1%, one deviation. That would be any IQ above, I think 150. Above 130 is 2%, which is my range (from 133 to 144 depending on test).

http://www.mensa.org/index0.php?page=10


The society welcomes people from every walk of life whose IQ is in the top 2% of the population


Amanda, it looks like you potentially qualify for a number of different groups:

High_IQ_society


# Top 5% (95th percentile; 1/20; IQ 124 sd15, IQ 126 sd16): International High IQ Society
# Top 2% (98th percentile; 1/50; IQ 131 sd15, IQ 133 sd16): Encefálica Society, High Potentials Society, Mensa International
# Top 1% (99th percentile; 1/100; IQ 135 sd15, IQ 137 sd16): Intertel, Top One Percent Society
# Top 0.7% (99.3rd percentile; 1/147; IQ 137 sd15): Sunesis Society
# Top 0.5% (99.5th percentile; 1/200; IQ 139 sd15, IQ 141 sd16): Colloquy (Society), Poetic Genius Society[2]
# Top 0.3% (99.7th percentile; 3/1000; IQ 141 sd15, IQ 144 sd16): Cerebrals Society
# Top 0.2% (99.8th percentile; 1/500; IQ 143 sd15, IQ 146 sd16): exactiq high IQ society


The bit about sd15 and sd16: there are different tests, some whose standard deviation is 15 points and others whose standard deviation is 16 points; so for example, the Cerebrals Society admits those who test at least IQ 141 on a test whose standard deviation is 15, or IQ 144 on a test whose standard deviation is 16. And Mensa accepts those who are at least 2 standard deviations above the average, IQ 131 or 133. 3 standard deviations would be IQ 146 or IQ 149 (dependant on the test), which works out as the 1 in 1000 level.

There are additional societies above the ones I quote; see the wiki page.

It is not uncommon for people to believe that Mensa is for "geniuses", but in fact it encompasses the top 2%. The only hard number I have seen for "genius" is 4 standard deviations; the wikipedia entry for Genius is more general and more interesting than just plain "IQ" testing.

[PamelaTX]

Let's see, I collect everything, almost.

My latest thing is flash drives.

Science fiction books would probably be my oldest collection. I'd really have a great collection, except I got really depressed and suicidal a number of years ago (since cured) and gave away all my stuff.

[Crystal Galadriel]

I started collecting trading cards of various types when I was 12 and have thousands of them that I never look at anymore. If I had the money, I might still do some collecting of them today. I'd probably collect books too, I've got a small stash in storage somewhere, and I'd probably have lots of manga (again, if I had the money). But even if I wasn't dirt-poor right now, I don't think I'd classify myself as a collector, really.

I know that I'm relatively intelligent, but everyone thinks I'm a lot smarter than I think I am. I just think that one of my greatest strengths is learning, but I also think that anybody can do that if they try. I'm majoring in Computer Science at a school where that's in the College of Engineering, and I'm still debating whether I'm going to go for a masters in it. I almost double-majored in Physics. I've had (internet-style) IQ tests give anything from 129 to 147, and I seem to remember a 136 or something from when I took a real one in grade school, not quite high enough for Mensa, I think. I was in the "Gifted" program from Kindergarten through whenever-they-stopped-having-it.

[jackie_p]

I collect several different things but I really like those silly Dept 56 villages! What can I say! I also collect wine, books, memorabilia from places I have visited around the world, sports bobblheads, coins, etc.

As for intelligence, I have a masters degree in electrical engineering and I
have tested between 130 and 140 for IQ. About average for this group from
what I have read!

Jackie

[AmandaM]

Amanda, it looks like you potentially qualify for a number of different groups:


I stand corrected! Thanks.

Of course, my membership in Menso will have to be revoked. That's Spanish, look it up, ha!

[Ballerina]

"Smart"? I have no idea. Everyone around me consistantly protests that I am very smart, and it does bother me. Yes, I am great with words and would like to become a novelist, but I am still lost in finding my niche in life. I tend to know a little of a lot of things and that creates a perfect invisibility cloak to my path in life, haha.

I do notice that this community has fluent forms of spelling and english and carry level heads. I would easily classify that as "smart". Especially after witnessing the years of drabble in other forums and communities.

As for collecting, I have everything that I collected back when I was a little kid: X-Men cards (whole '95 Fleer set), baseball cards, Pogs, and so much more. I'm currently collecting older video games. I found that my old "Fish Dude" game was one of the rare Game Boy games, and that has pushed an interest in collecting some of the harder to obtain older video games.

[sometimes_miss]

Just another example of my stupidity. Forgot to mention what I collect. Stuff. I procrastinate. Plan projects, start some, just collect the parts for others. Huge collection of music, solved the storage mess by converting to MP3's and getting rid of the discs. >1000 movies, mostly dvd's (presently converting VHS to dvd with the rest), most of which I've only watched once. Of course, tools to do the never completed projects with. If I had room for a snap-on big box, I would have bought one by now. Hand and power tools of all kinds, oddball one-offs that have only one use which of course I have no use for. Forgetfulness makes me misplace some, and then I have to buy another. I must have 5 half inch sockets and combination wrenches. Multiple ratchet handles of each size. Screwdrivers of all sorts, but cannot locate the one I need when I need it. Like most guys, I've downloaded pictures of beautiful women off the net; but I guess unlike most, the vast majority of it isn't porn, just someone pretty that I saw that I wished for a moment that I was. How many pictures? OMG, thousands. Enough jpegs to fill several data dvd's.

[angelfire]

I don't know if I think crossdressers as a whole are necessarily smarter than most people. I think as a group we are as diverse as any other, and as such have members with both high intelligence, and members with low intelligence.

As for me, I have never had an official IQ test. I did one of those crappy ones online and I think it came up around 112. I take it with a grain of salt.

I collect some stuff. Mostly Swords & Armour, but also some video games & movies.

[Jess_cd32]

They say, whoever "they" are that two charateristics of crossdressers is that they are highly intelligent ( and from what I have read here you all seem like an intelligent bunch) and crossdressers we are collectors. ...

OK, I'm gonna start looking for my SO's stash right now as she fits all of the above, how should I confront her if I find a box of mens stuff w/ a mustache and sideburns in it?:heehee:

[PortiaHoney]

I don't know if I think crossdressers as a whole are necessarily smarter than most people. I think as a group we are as diverse as any other, and as such have members with both high intelligence, and members with low intelligence.


Are you trying to say we are just normal people??????????:D

I did an IQ test once. I was told I did well, just can't remember what the score was cause my memory ain't so good. CF doesn't rate either because I see those tests as a little bit biased towards particular skills base's (should that be basis?). Did the Mensa test too just to give it a go and scored ok. Couldn't find a Commonsense test though.

I was supposed to have the promising career, blah, blah, blah but couldn't decide which side of the fence suited me better. You might say, a bit distracted. Trying to decide if I wanted to live was a bigger concern than what I actually wanted to do with my life - what a waste of promise..... If I only knew then what I know now........ LOL

But, if you want to get into a bit of, my IQ's bigger than your IQ, that smacks to me of another form of competition. Seems a little out of place here though.:devil:

Nah, just kidding......... Have fun comparing.

Interesting premise though.

:love:Portia

[Lawren]

My doll collection is too big for my house. I can't even display them all now.

My IQ? Does a Master's Degree from The School of Hard Knocks count. LOL

[Christina Horton]

I love movies and have about 3000 vhs tapes and 2500 dvd. Dam blue ray nw I am going to have to start all over again. IQ is 125. That shocked me I thought it would be low cuz, I was in dumb class from grade 7 to 12. I found out I had A.D.D. And lets see if I can spell this right, Disleksea. Oh well I tryed. I can't spell well or do math e.t.c. so there you go. HUGGS. :hugs: :canada:

[JoAnne Wheeler]

Well girls, I have no idea what my IQ is. I do have a BS Degree in Accounting and a JD in Law. I also have enough credits for a degree in Sociology. I was on the Honor Society in College in both Accounting and in Law School. I still do not know whether I am very smart. It really makes no difference in the long run - we still have this cross to bear of being transgendered (cross dressers) (MTF), whatever.

As far as collecting thing, I collect everything according to my spouse. I collect cameras, model cars, trains, Southern Gospel Music, Theology Books, John Deere equipment, and especially feminine clothing. (my panty collection is well over 300 pairs) My wife cannot understand why I have to have so much feminine clothing. I collect makeup, jewelry, dresses and especially shoes.

If I were really smart, then why would I collect all these clothes ?

Lost in the Pink Fog !

JoAnne Wheeler

[PortiaHoney]

And lets see if I can spell this right, Disleksea. HUGGS. :hugs: :canada:

Isn't it Slikdexsia? Doesn't that mean you can write with both hands?:love:

Also, dyslexia has no relationship to intelligence, just poses a barrier to expressing it in written form and in the learning of written instructions. As a result, many gifted ADD and dyslexic kids get lumped into the wrong category just because they are more difficult to teach.

Spelling and Math are overrated - it's official. My neice brought home math homework and it had lots of spelling mistakes. Her teacher told her it's all about what is meant - not how it's spelled.

Portia:hugs:

[Raquelle C]

Hmmm... Collecting, no not me! :D

Cars (full size), Cars (models & R/C) & Shoes! Bahahahhahahah!

[Nicole Erin]

I don't know how smart I am...
Probably pretty stupid cause I have a degree and somehow still got stuck working a job where someone doesn't even need to speak English.

Collecting things?
I just do not, I am not a junk person. If it is useless, it gets tossed out. I don't waste money on objects just to look pretty laying around the house and pissing away good money on them.

[Crystal Galadriel]

So, if CD in general are highly intelligent, why don't more people do it? Has anyone thought that maybe we CD BECAUSE we're smart, or possibly that we're smart BECAUSE we CD? Either way, more people should start doing it, it obviously has great mental benefits. Either you get smarter, or you appear smarter, there's no downside!

(plus, maybe we could all get a litte more acceptance that way...)

[Lawren]

So, if CD in general are highly intelligent, why don't more people do it? Has anyone thought that maybe we CD BECAUSE we're smart, or possibly that we're smart BECAUSE we CD? Either way, more people should start doing it, it obviously has great mental benefits. Either you get smarter, or you appear smarter, there's no downside!

(plus, maybe we could all get a litte more acceptance that way...)

Maybe it's because we are more openminded about things in general therefore we absorb knowledge faster and easier.

However, all this falls down until it is proven that the majority of Xdressers are, in fact, more intelligent.

[joanne_mi]

I think I'm more pack rat than collector, a random array of junk that I refuse to get rid of for whatever reason isn't collecting, although much of the junk was accumulated during different collection phases (music cds, dvds, stamps (not sure what I was thinking here), baseball cards). Later in life my main collection was a ridiculous amount of makeup, which I now can't use (overstayed it's shelf life). And ironically, I don't part with that either.

As far as intelligence goes, I don't understand the question. :heehee:

[sometimes_miss]

. Either you get smarter, or you appear smarter, there's no downside!
Other than having the vast majority of people thinking we're completely nuts, of course!

[Ibuki_Warpetal]

I don't actively collect anything, though I was a packrat when I was younger. The concept seems wasteful, though I believe I fall under a different category as I have been "diagnosed" with a natural mental condition that separates me from the norms even more than what is apparent.
As far as intelligence, some would say I am genius, others would call me a fool. They are both right.

[lauraabdl]

My SO always tells me I'm smart. I don't know for sure, have an AS and a BS. As for collecting YES I guess I collect a lot, tools, junk as SO puts it, a large femme wardrobe (got to cut down on shopping, running out of room to keep), brass lamps well you get the idea.
Laura

[Carole Cross]

I am more of a hoarder than a collector, I have too much worthless junk lying around.
To join MENSA you need to be in the top two percent, which I am with an IQ of 148, but I decided not to join. :)

[paulaluvssz8]

After reading some of the post here I would say that being intelligent is correct. As far as collectors... Well I myself am not in any way a pack rat. I can't stand to have a bunch of junk sitting around. Now as for my intelligence.. I've been called a "Smart A**" plenty of times. LOL

[charlie]

I like to collect cars. To bad they are so expensive! I have a 65 Shelby Mustang, 72 V12 XKE, and a 67 Stingray.

[Cheyenne Skye]

Let's see, as far as intelligence goes, I took an IQ test once and scored somewhere in the 130s (long time ago and I don't put a lot of stock in those things). I was in gifted and college prep classes in high school. I have a rather good memory (not quite photographic) but I do remember details about events quite well. And my wife constantly tells people I'm a genius :battingeyelashes:.
I've had several collections over the years (still have most of them in storage in the basement). Matchbox cars, model train stuff, CDs and coins. Now I just save things that I think will come in handy later on which my wife hates. So maybe I am a bit of a pack rat.
My literary tastes seem to run to sci-fi,fantasy and Stephen King. When I watch TV, I like to watch a lot of educational stuff on Discovery or the History channel along with sci-fi and crime dramas which I like to try and figure out the who-dunit before the reveal at the end of the show.

So do I fit the mold or did I break it? :D

[Raquel June]

Where'd you hear those stereotypes? I think the stereotype about crossdressers is that they're creepy or gay or perverts. But intelligent and collectors? That's not so bad.

I hate collecting things. I hate having tons of just stuff around. But I do have about 300 DVDs. I have 3 aquariums and a lot of cool fish. I used to have tons of CDs, but I converted them all to MP3s and sold most of them. It's great collecting stuff (like music or photos) that you can just keep on your hard drive. The only collections I have that actually take up space are movies, books, and artwork. I love just about any print by Frederick Leighton, John Waterhouse, Millais, Bouguereau, Godward, Renoir, Alma-Tadema, or Van Gogh.

But I suppose I should consider my clothes a collection. In that case, I'm totally out of control. It's actually pretty stressful for me having so many clothes everywhere. I have piles of clothes, bags of clothes, a closet full of clothes, clothes stuffed under my bed, and tons of clothes stuffed in my attic.

I took an IQ test that said mine was 147. I think that was around six years old. The whole concept of IQ is silly, though. If you were tested at 12 and were as smart as the average 24-year-old, you've got a 200 IQ. It doesn't mean you have the common sense of the 24-year-old. It doesn't mean you're logical or even rational. And you might test at a 200 IQ but never learn anything for the rest of your life.

Marilyn vos Savant was tested with an IQ of 228, and she's no genius. She displayed a total lack of understanding of probability by publishing an article where she showed that she had never heard of the Monte Hall Problem -- and then she went on to answer it incorrectly. She also married Robert Jarvic, who is another fake genius. He went to a medical school that lets anybody in, never actually practiced medicine, and he took credit for creating the artificial heart because the guy who did invent it let him have the patent. Not to mention that his artificial heart is useless -- it's the size of a shopping cart, not portable, and nobody ever survived more than a year and a half on the thing -- with a quality of life that would cause most people to prefer death.

[sandra-leigh]

Marilyn vos Savant was tested with an IQ of 228, and she's no genius. She displayed a total lack of understanding of probability by publishing an article where she showed that she had never heard of the Monte Hall Problem -- and then she went on to answer it incorrectly.

vos Savant's answer to the Monty Hall problem was correct, under the (reasonable) assumptions she was solving with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant#The_Monty_Hall_problem



She also married Robert Jarvic, who is another fake genius. He went to a medical school that lets anybody in, never actually practiced medicine, and he took credit for creating the artificial heart because the guy who did invent it let him have the patent. Not to mention that his artificial heart is useless -- it's the size of a shopping cart, not portable, and nobody ever survived more than a year and a half on the thing


He didn't go to medical school; he has a masters in medical engineering from New York University. I don't know whether they literally let "anyone in", but NYU has a substantial reputation:


For four consecutive years NYU has been ranked as America's "#1 dream school" by The Princeton Review.[5] NYU counts 31 Nobel Prize winners; 2 Abel Prize winners; 9 National Medal of Science recipients; 16 Pulitzer Prize winners; 19 Academy Award winners (more than any other American university);[6] Emmy, Grammy, and Tony Award winners; and MacArthur and Guggenheim Fellowship holders[7] among its past and present graduates and faculty

Jarvik didn't invent the artificial heart from scratch: as is very often the case in science, he made important improvements to technologies involved in an idea someone had thought of long before. That's the way science works.



Additionally, Jarvik was noted for a key contribution to the heart which involved using ultra thin membranes stacked to form a diaphragmatic surface with a graphite lubricant intermittently placed between the membranes.

And it wasn't "a year and a half", it was 620 days, which is 1 year 8 months 12 days.

[Raquel June]

vos Savant's answer to the Monty Hall problem was correct, under the (reasonable) assumptions she was solving with.

That's very interesting. I'd always heard that she said that switching doors doesn't matter. Now it looks like she actually understood the question and got it right. Hmm!




He didn't go to medical school; he has a masters in medical engineering from New York University.

Jarvik's Wikipedia page has been modified many times to make him look more competent. He probably keeps an eye on it himself. I can't even find a reference to his med school in the history section, but here's some info for ya:

http://www.answers.com/topic/robert-jarvik


After he graduated in 1968 with a bachelor's degree in zoology, his medical plans were thwarted by his grades, which were inadequate for acceptance in an American medical school. By Jarvik's own admission, he was rejected by about 25 different medical schools in the United States.

Disappointed but undaunted, Jarvik enrolled in medical school at the University of Bologna in Italy. He returned to the United States after two years ...

...

Through his work with Kolff, he was accepted into Utah's medical school. He finally earned his degree in 1976.


If you look around you'll see that University of Utah is the bottom of the barrel for medical & law school, and Jarvik still only got in because he had friends there.




Jarvik didn't invent the artificial heart from scratch: as is very often the case in science, he made important improvements to technologies involved in an idea someone had thought of long before. That's the way science works.

Why are you trying to give him so much credit? He did next to nothing. He made one significant contribution to the artificial heart, but the heart itself was a failure! Sure, they kept a guy alive for 1 year and 8 months on it (and I sincerely apologize for saying a year and a half), but the artificial heart was a joke. That's why nobody uses it. It was totally ridiculous. It was enormous, and the "heart" wasn't exactly inside the patient! It was a massive machine and it needed two tubes that were each 3 cm in diameter (1.2 inches) coming out of your chest to hook you up to it (requiring tons of antibiotics). That sounds like a fun way to live for 1 year and 8 months!

I'm not sure why you have an agenda to say Jarvik's a smart guy and nit-pick little details, but come on...

I guess I sound like I have an agenda since I'm saying he's an idiot, but I'm just offended that he was constantly on TV selling heart medication a couple years ago. The commercial said, "Dr. Robert Jarvik, inventor of the artificial heart"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItwqWubgp7Q

... when he didn't invent the heart, anybody would rather have a baboon heart than his artificial heart, and he's not even licensed to practice medicine. I guess it's a dumb thing to brag about in the first place, though. Everybody knows that if somebody actually made an artificial heart that worked, there wouldn't be a few million people on waiting lists for heart transplants.

[Rochelle Exploration]

I collect eagles in many forms. Also an avid reader, though most of the time it's restricted to non-fiction; several magazines and at least 50 newspapers (on line) a day.

[DinaMature]

Coca Cola memorabilia, Hallmark Star Trek Ornaments, old technical manuals, international stamps (ebay shopping has bonus'), old fishing reels, random Matchbox cars and other mech minatures ... just off the top of my head.

[Annemarie]

There is absolutely no evidence that we are more or less intelligent than the rest of the population.

[Sarah V]

As far as intelegence goes, I guess I am o.k. but at the end of the day I really don't care. I am an engineer (fire protection engineer) and a P.E., so somewhere along the line I guess I ended up putting down the correct answers on a few tests :heehee:

Yes, I am also a collector as many of you are. My collecting passions evolve from both my chosen profession and my other side, my femme self. I am a stamp collector and have two serious specialized topical collections in fire fighting and dance (ballet). I also collect fire apparatus/fire fighting books and dance (ballet) books. Finally, I have a pretty large and extensive collection of die cast fire trucks in all scales, mainly 1/64 scale. Of course, we will not speak of the collection of clothing in my closets and in my dresser drawers :D. I also like my toys which i continue "need" for projects around the house and these come from (in no particular order) Dewalt, Ryobi, Makita, and Craftsman. ----I am currently working on a rather large dispaly cabnit for my family room to dispaly all the fire trucks under one roof.

I read so much for work that I really don't read novels for pleasure. I do subscribe to and read frequently a number of professional journals and magazines related to my hobbies.

[Susan4]

I've never heard those 'stereotypes' before. Sounds like a CD version of an urban legend to me (smile). What other CD 'myths' are there?

But, since I just got back from a business trip, I'll play the game.

IQ - Doesn't matter. But, my wife and I were both card-carrying members of Mensa in school (forgive me it was a long time ago, I was young and shallow)

Collections - I collect lots of things ... toy soldiers, superman comics (yes, I really do), antiquarian books, books on film propaganda, propaganda posters, chess sets.

Hugs
Susan

[balletchick]

I find it humerous that those that scoff at these characteristics then proceed to fire of a laundry list of things they collect and collectables LOL or those that say there is no evidence to support this theory but then offer no evidence of their own to support their opinion.

Yet in five pages of this thread there are very few members that have said they don't collect anything.

Once again I will reitorate that these are not my theories that I have read them on other sites. If you want to goggle characteristics of crossdressing I'm sure you will come across these theories.

[Samantha Kelsey]

"Am I intelligent Katy?" I asked, Katy replied "Yeh, very" she replied. I know that I sure am a collector. But I only collect things which I think will be useful. I throw nothing away if I think it could be handy at sometime. I suppose that I just collect junk, but it's MY junk.

[Teranika]

I'm intelligent enough to operate a computer.

I don't collect stuff. I have no concievable attention span.

In fact,

[Susan4]

I find it humerous that those that scoff at these characteristics then proceed to fire of a laundry list of things they collect and collectables LOL or those that say there is no evidence to support this theory but then offer no evidence of their own to support their opinion.

Yet in five pages of this thread there are very few members that have said they don't collect anything.

Once again I will reitorate that these are not my theories that I have read them on other sites. If you want to goggle characteristics of crossdressing I'm sure you will come across these theories.

Fair enough .. I just googled "characteristics of crossdressing" and found a study which concluded "that cross-dressers not seen for clinical reasons are virtually indistinguishable from non-cross-dressing men using a measure of personality traits, a sexual functioning inventory, and measures of psychological distress."

The study is called, Personality characteristics and sexual functioning of 188 cross-dressing men.

Here is the URL ... http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3126963

Don't get me wrong ... I don't care. I like this thread. It was fun to read and the study could be wrong ... at the end of the day, who knows? who cares?

I just wanted to see what I'd get if I went fishing ... as suggested ... on google.

Hugs
Susan

[Satrana]

a study which concluded "that cross-dressers not seen for clinical reasons are virtually indistinguishable from non-cross-dressing men using a measure of personality traits"

In other words we are all completely normal human beings, we are not different from other men except that we acknowledge our feminine side while other men are too scared to admit they have one. That is the only difference that exists. Trying to claim that we are a unique branch of humanity is a baseless assumption just because we dare to break society's taboos.

[balletchick]

With all the studies that are out there you will always find something to the contrary. I think the thing that should be paid attention to is when and where the study was done but especially "when". I think its safe to say that as society moves forward more and more crossdressers are not afraid to come forward and say I'm a crossdresser.

I think its safe to say based on those that replied to this thread that there might be something to the characteristic of collecting since so many have said they collect things myself being one of them. As far as higher intelligence its tough to say, I mean everybody here seems relatively bright, but to get actual case study you'd have to have supervised testing, but then I'm in agreement that IQ tests mean nothing even though I scored relatively high on my tests.

The thing that gets me are the people that say "there is no evidence to support this" then offer nothing to support that LOL

[Bethany38]

I collect many things, Tools, Knives, Swords, and I have been told that I am a veritable font of useless information. As for my intelligence you cannot measure what you have never had to begin with.:tongueout

[Tip or Ozma]

. . . if that is any indication of intelligence. Wisdom--now that seems to have eluded me during my many years of education.

I collect nineteenth-century photographs and, ironically men's clothing of the third quarter of the nineteenth-century (my wife has a bigger collection of women's clothing from 1840 to 188o including corsets and under garments).

I have stamps, war games and historical ephemera scattered about the house and I am sure that in a few years the grandsons will get me back in to model railroading.

From a CD perspective, my shoe, stocking and and lingerie collection is much bigger than my wife's. However, my knowledge of the subject comes in handy while assisting her in selling these items on eBay (the ones that are not her or my sizes).

[jenalex]

So my question is are you a collector and what do you collect? Also if anybody wants to reveal IQ test scores you can. Also if you are a reader what authors do you read?

collection: vinyl records

IQ: 145

authors: too many to list

:happy:

[AliciaWeb]

I collect er..............

[Naray]

Collect: Anime, manga and merchandising.

IQ: 141

Well, that stereotype is for me.