Morning RANT!!!

[pink femme]

Hi

I just have to get this off my chest.

Just waved my wife off to work and today she looks every bit the female - Skirt, jumper, boots (not to mention the tights and petticoat underneath).

Society stinks. I have to go to work in a shirt and poxy tie.

I WANT THE WORLD TO GET A GRIP AND ALLOW US TO GO TO WORK IN ANYTHING WE WANT. I WANT TO WEAR A SKIRT TO WORK.

Rant over.

:bonk:

[Louise C]

I TOTALLY AGREE! Why can't society accept that perfectly reasonable scenario?

[Tracey Corset]

Hi

I just have to get this off my chest.

Just waved my wife off to work and today she looks every bit the female - Skirt, jumper, boots (not to mention the tights and petticoat underneath).

Society stinks. I have to go to work in a shirt and poxy tie.

I WANT THE WORLD TO GET A GRIP AND ALLOW US TO GO TO WORK IN ANYTHING WE WANT. I WANT TO WEAR A SKIRT TO WORK.

Rant over.

:bonk:
Can't agree more, got the works do tonight, wifes got fantastic new dress, i will be dressed the way you go to work, might skip the poxy tie though, going to take a change of clothes to come home in !!!

[JamieToo]

I agree. Even if we don't want to take it to the extreme, we still cannot get away with wearing women's clothes. For instance, if we wanted to wear panties, pantyhose, stockings, a soft cudly sweater, or high heel shoes, we could not do so without being ostricized by society as some sort of freak. And yet, women get to wear clothes of both genders and everyone is fine with that.

The fact of the matter is, women's clothes are often made with more style, of fabrics that look and feel nicer, in a wider variety of colors and prints, and often in styles that accentuate their attributes, than are men's clothes.

While I realize that all women (humans) are not the same, I am confused as to why some women choose not to choose attractive feminine clothes for themselves. For instance, with all of the styles, colors and prints of women's panties, why do some choose white cotton panties? I have heard complaints by women about hating wearing pantyhose because they are uncomfortable, and yet, I love wearing them. If you don't lie to yourself, and you purchase the correct size, they are perfectly comfortable, with the possible exception of wearing them on the hottest days of the year. And if its the pantyhose that are the problem, wear stockings. How about shoes? There are probably more different styles of shoes for women than any other product on earth, and yet some women choose shoes that look like they belong to a man. And I'm not necessarily saying that every woman should wear high heels all the time (although that would be nice), because there are some positively cute flats available. Ballet shoes come to mind.

Maybe if we had been allowed to wear women's clothes, as well as men's clothes, all of our lives, wearing the women's clothes wouldn't seem as important as it currently does; but I think I would still gravitate toward women's clothes. Consider how much more we would have in common with women if we were allowed to share their fashions. We could talk about clothes with them, shop with them, buy for each other, etc.

I know that it isn't just about wearing women's clothes. It goes much deeper than that for many of us. It's about being feminine. You'd think that women would want that, since for decades they have been trying to be more masculine while attempting not to lose their femininity. Instead they seem to be saying, I want it all, but I want you men to be restricted to this narrowly focused area of societal norm. I know that many women reading this will be going ballistic saying that men have had it all since the dawn of time; but if being feminine is so bad, or so good, why wouldn't they want to share that with men?

[RachelDenise]

Life is unfair. We could go to work in our favorite slothes but it might be the last time! Then you'd have more time to dress! HMMMMMM......:daydreaming:

[Angie G]

So do I PF buthun. you know people can't live and let live .:hugs:
Angie

[Sammy777]

On the subject,
I'll stay away from the "why don't women wear" part.lol

But I totally agree that even basic items of womens clothing like t-shirts, casual tops, polos, ect are softer, fit better [even in drab], look better, & usually are of better quality then their menswear counterparts.


Now to go all off subject.
What is a jumper in the UK?

Here in the US it is for the most part a dress.
A jumper here is a dress that is usually worn with a top under it, [Top]
But can also be worn alone [Bottom].
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[Shari]

What would you do if you had to climb ladders all day?
Mind if I watch?

[ReineD]

Instead they seem to be saying, I want it all, but I want you men to be restricted to this narrowly focused area of societal norm. I know that many women reading this will be going ballistic saying that men have had it all since the dawn of time; but if being feminine is so bad, or so good, why wouldn't they want to share that with men?

I'm not upset by your comment. I do understand how frustrating it must be, not being able to wear what you would like for fear of being ostracized.

But please understand that for many women, priorities change as they get older, with careers or kids. And with more women being single parents, the financial resources are often not there to support a varied wardrobe, or the choice in clothing will be something that washes easily and can withstand much wear and tear. We tend to choose a pair of shoes that are practical and will go with many outfits. Younger women, who are more apt to be looking for a mate and have more time on their hands, will spend more time and energy on how they present themselves, although within the confines of their generation's styles or ideas of beauty.

It is a greater priority for you to work on your wardrobe, since this is the most effective way you can present as femme. So the time and energy you spend on your appearance outside of your work obligations, a GG will spend on her own leisure activities.

There are women out there who do take the time to care for their appearance, but still within the confines of our environments. For example, as much as I love designer suits, I would feel silly going around town doing errands wearing them. I live in a small mid-western town where the preferred dress style for everyone is blue jeans. I would feel over dressed. I think if you go to the symphony, or to better restaurants, you will see women there, as well as men, who are dressed a notch or two above the rest.

In terms of your comment about women who want CDers to restrict their appearance to societal norms, you must concede it is society in general that is doing this. Not just the women.

But, I do understand the frustration with not being able to wear what you want. I hope it gets better within our lifetimes.
:hugs:

[Sammy777]

In the UK a jumper is another word for a pullover or sweater - a knitted top warm enough to keep out these cold winds. In your photo, it would be the long-sleeved white item.

Thanks Katie
I have seen many ref's to them on here from UK members & it had me wondering.

[Louise C]

I'm not upset by your comment. I do understand how frustrating it must be, not being able to wear what you would like for fear of being ostracized.

But please understand that for many women, priorities change as they get older, with careers or kids. And with more women being single parents, the financial resources are often not there to support a varied wardrobe, or the choice in clothing will be something that washes easily and can withstand much wear and tear. We tend to choose a pair of shoes that are practical and will go with many outfits. Younger women, who are more apt to be looking for a mate and have more time on their hands, will spend more time and energy on how they present themselves, although within the confines of their generation's styles or ideas of beauty.

It is a greater priority for you to work on your wardrobe, since this is the most effective way you can present as femme. So the time and energy you spend on your appearance outside of your work obligations, a GG will spend on her own leisure activities.

There are women out there who do take the time to care for their appearance, but still within the confines of our environments. For example, as much as I love designer suits, I would feel silly going around town doing errands wearing them. I live in a small mid-western town where the preferred dress style for everyone is blue jeans. I would feel over dressed. I think if you go to the symphony, or to better restaurants, you will see women there, as well as men, who are dressed a notch or two above the rest.

In terms of your comment about women who want CDers to restrict their appearance to societal norms, you must concede it is society in general that is doing this. Not just the women.

But, I do understand the frustration with not being able to wear what you want. I hope it gets better within our lifetimes.
:hugs:

Thankyou for saying that:love:

[Sara Jessica]

I can get set off into a similar feeling of frustration if I happen to see a women in the morning on my way to work (often at the grocery store if I need to pick up something on the way) who epitomizes exactly how I'd present if I were a gg or ft. There's something about that exactness, otherwise seeing any woman would conceivably send me into these feelings of frustration.

But for me it's not so much because I want to wear anything I wish in guy mode, it's that I want to BE who I am, BE female and present as such. While I pretty much have my head around the fact that transition is not in the cards for me, incidents like this can send me into a long period of depression if I'm not careful. So yes, it can be very frustrating.

[cindym5_04]

I've had a similar discussion with my wife and with a couple of exes of mine. What it comes down to, I think, is that women have so many more options of what to wear each day. They have the choices of lengths of skirts or which pants and so many varieties of tops and different shoes. For guys it's more like "which pair of standard pants and I going to wear today, which collared shirt, and which tie" coupled with the "am I wearing my brown shoes today or my black ones".

Can you tell I work in a professional environment? LOL

[Angel.Marie76]

I'm not upset by your comment. I do understand how frustrating it must be, not being able to wear what you would like for fear of being ostracized.

It is a greater priority for you to work on your wardrobe, since this is the most effective way you can present as femme. So the time and energy you spend on your appearance outside of your work obligations, a GG will spend on her own leisure activities.

There are women out there who do take the time to care for their appearance, but still within the confines of our environments. For example, as much as I love designer suits, I would feel silly going around town doing errands wearing them. I live in a small mid-western town where the preferred dress style for everyone is blue jeans. I would feel over dressed. I think if you go to the symphony, or to better restaurants, you will see women there, as well as men, who are dressed a notch or two above the rest.


I work in a financial institution in a relatively small city/Large Town, and here it's women's general dress to go with nice slacks and a pretty blouse 99% of the time. There are only a few women here that, you could say, might be more either wanting of attention, confident in their style/looks, or what have you that often wear /really/ pretty dresses or skirts (one particularly beautiful woman in her early 30's as an example). Her position requires that she interact with the public customer base daily, so certainly her public appearance must be one of both confidence and presentability. If I were envious of any woman in my organization regarding style, she'd win. ;-) Other women I work with vary their presentation /style according to their position of course, and following suit - the more back-office they are, the more it's basic pants and simple tops.

As a CDer, I'm internally confused because of my desire to dress much more femme than, perhaps, the average of my fellow employee base. I realize, when in conversation with my GGfriends, the battle with 'dressing for success' in companies can be a significant issue. My internal voice and feelings right now cry out for me to be able to wear pretty skirts or simple dresses with nothing more than simple tops, and a little makeup just to feel properly put together - perhaps showing respect for myself, comfort (from my perspective) AND having confidence to feel and be the way I feel I WANT to be.. I'm certainly not looking to attract undue attention, distract from my duties as an employee, and be able to focus on my work. Thankfully I'm not on the customer front end, though as-is I fit the shirt and tie requirement. :-( Today is a 'dress-down' day, and in getting ready for work I had to force myself not to grab a pair of cute chunk heeled boots to wear. I'm pretty sure I could have gotten away with it (cowboy boots are acceptable these days) but fear of being shot down shunted the effort. Underdress, short of some light nail polish and pale lip gloss with the hair down, are the only avenues I have at this time.

Someday the world might be able to accept all people for who they are and how they look.. d@mn it, I'm waiting.

[Karren H]

Well life sucks then you die....... That's the attitude of one of my friends and he is miserable all the time!!

I'd much rather look at it that I don't have to dress up every day to work like women have to!! And I get enough fem time that not wearing a skirt to work is really not a problem!! I love what I do and who I am and I'm not going to rant about things that make me unhappy or I have no control over..

But that's just me... I'd rather spend that time more constructively... Like playing ice hockey!! Hahaha

[battybattybats]

I WANT THE WORLD TO GET A GRIP AND ALLOW US TO GO TO WORK IN ANYTHING WE WANT. I WANT TO WEAR A SKIRT TO WORK.


Every civil rights fight before us that has succeeded has changed the law to make it fair and changed public views at the same time.

For some reason most crossdressers seem to think that either the situation can't be changed, or that it will change itself or that what worked for every single other civil rights fight won't work for us.

However there are those actually doing the hard work. If more of us help them then like many other groups before us we will win. A victory that can be achieved well within our lifetimes!

So if you want change then what are you going to do to get it?

This week after getting a great reply letter from one Australian Senator asking me to please write to others too I sent letters to my local independant MP, to the Health Minister and to the Deputy Prime Minister who is also Minister for Social Inclusion.

I'll be writing some more next week especially because of the UN declaration about to be signed by 50+ countries in favour of TG rights!

Changes come from people working for change.

So what are you going to do to get the change you want?

[Angel.Marie76]

Well life sucks then you die....... That's the attitude of one of my friends and he is miserable all the time!!

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But that's just me... I'd rather spend that time more constructively... Like playing ice hockey!! Hahaha

Ice Hockey! Yes! I might actually really enjoy skating around in a thermal tights and those little skirts that I see girls sometimes zipping around in. Though with that outfit I'd HAVE to wear figure skates and I HATE the pick-toes on those darn things. :P

[cindym5_04]

Being that I'll actually be taking on-campus classes in the summer term at the local community college, I've imagined going to class en-femme. I really don't see myself doing that though. It's definitely fun to think about going to class as a cutie co-ed though.

[Nicole Erin]

Being that I'll actually be taking on-campus classes in the summer term at the local community college, I've imagined going to class en-femme. I really don't see myself doing that though. It's definitely fun to think about going to class as a cutie co-ed though.

If no one knows you yet, might as well intro them to the femme side early on so they can get used to it real quick. See if you wait and people know the man side, then it is going to be kind of tough for them later and you will get all that "John, how come you are wearing a skirt....?"

For going to work, in my job I could probably get away with dressing en femme if I really wanted, since everyone at work knows the Erin side...

Reality sets in though - doing it every day would be a lot of work, and I barely get up in time to shower, throw on pants, shirt, grab my sh*t and run out the door and hope my car starts...

[cindym5_04]

hahaha I don't really see my wife letting me go to school dressed either.

The thought of sitting there in class with a cute sweater and short skirt with some tights and boots though...

[Toni_Lynn]

I don't mean this to sound like I am downplaying your rant in any way, please read on, but I do have to say the following:

I'm sitting here in my cube in an MIS department at one of the USA's largest companies. I am wearing, from the bottom up, girl's shoes, girl's socks, girl's pants, a girl's green and blue striped jersey, panties and a bra, and my below the shoulders length hair is not tied back. Okay -- so everything that is seen by others passes as guy's clothes -- but its what I have to do to stay sane.

Yes, I know -- its not a skirt, I'm not wearing forms, there's no makeup. Do I wish there was? Yes yes yes! Is there when I work from home? Yes yes yes!

I agree with what you are saying. I wish that I could wear a skirt to work, but until society gets un-stupid, this is the best I could do.

Huggles

Toni-Lynn

[catriona36]

the company i worked for in transport industry suplied our unifor for us at no cost. we sat there discussing it while having a smoke break with a few of the female drivers. i sat there keeping my mouth shut tight lol
but the disscusion was about how we as men were banned from ordering ANYTHING from the female list and the company is owned by the govt.
so on one hand govt say yes is fine on the other they shut us down.:doh:

[jaiden]

hi tony, fully agree, i"m working independently and sometimes alone , this is when I can work en femme- just wonderful