Dating Men

[Brandy Michelle]

Girls: When you get dressed and feel very fem have you ever wanted to date a man? Are there any girls that have ever dated a man, I mean the man came to you house and picked you up for your date? I have to say I have never classiffied myself as gay or anything like that, but here lately when I am dressed and out, I look at men more than I use to. Love to hear from others on this subject.:)

[charlie]

Hello Brandy!
The closest I've come is to invite another CD over for drinks. I'm married and straight (so I have always thought). However, other CD's fully dressed in short skirts and heels do tend to bend my clock!

[Karren H]

Nope.... never had that urge....

[JoAnne Wheeler]

No - No - No - a thousand times no - I have no desire for men - women are my only life !!

Love,

JoAnne Wheeler

[renee k]

Nope.... never had that urge....

:iagree:

Never had the urge. Have been approached in the past by trannie crashers. Just NOT my cup of tea.

Huggs, Renee

[MarcieM]

Hello Brandy!
The closest I've come is to invite another CD over for drinks. I'm married and straight (so I have always thought). However, other CD's fully dressed in short skirts and heels do tend to bend my clock!

clock? ok, make sure you get the "L" in there. :doh:

[Desiree2bababe]

I did in my younger days and loved it!!!

[PhillyGuy2Girl]

Nope.... never had that urge....

Same here. Never ever had the urge to date a man. I'm married and 100% straight. I always loved GG's

Felicity :)

[Samantha43]

No!!!

I like everything girly.....including the girls!

[Sammy777]

Uhhhhhhh ........... No. Nope. Never.

Boys are yucky, LOL

[Ok Samantha we gotta stop meeting like this, lol.
This is like the 3rd random post I replied to right under you, LOL]

[Deidra Cowen]

Men are pigs!!! :devil: But i still go out with them. :eek: Yeap babe...been there done that on dating.

[jenniferTgurl]

No never had any desire for guys at all. The only thing any guy could have that might interest me is a cute wife or girlfriend!

[vivianann]

No I dont. I am only attraced to GG's whether I am dressed as a man or a woman.

[Eva Marie]

This, I think, is not a new topic, but always an interesting one. Do we see some contradictions here in the responses? We choose to emulate the opposite sex, but tend to draw the line at a seemingly critical juncture. It seems to me that, and I've written it previously, however "straight" or "hetero" we think or claim we are, in the world somewhere there's an individual of our own gender who can set the bells ringing. You take it from there . . . Oh, did I stray from the question?

[Helen 2]

several times -and I have to admit, I really enjoyed it....let there be no doubt, I felt the stirrings of arousal...

I most enjoyed his arms around my back, occassionally moving around a bit and no doubt feeling my firm, tight long-line bra and high-waist girdle. The small, mincing steps in my 4" heels, the pressure my forms placed on my chest -which was an altogether new and intoxicating experience...

At that moment, could have I possibly 'strayed' if the circumstanced allowed for it? ? I dunno....I still ask myself that question, and worse of all, dont have an answer, which is scary...
:devil:

[Janie Gunn]

No, I'm not interested in dating 'men' nor do I look at them more when I'm dressed as a woman. I did however have a strange desire during the recent Festival I attended where I met a tranny from another state and became good friends with her. She told me that a few years ago she had transitioned, and over the course of the week I started feeling attracted to 'her', thinking that if I were to 'experiment', I wouldnt mind a one night stand with her, and when I saw her pashing a male friend (who sometimes cd's but not that night) I was jealous and wished she would pash me. Neither happened, and I havent felt that way about any tranny I've noticed since, and now all I want is a hot chick, real one!

Janie

[sometimes_miss]

Girls: When you get dressed and feel very fem have you ever wanted to date a man?
Nope.

[valenstein]

I think I reply to this question whenever it's asked to see what my own answer is. I never have before, but as I envision it in my head, yes. But it's a sexual thing, more about how it would make me feel and less about actual attraction.

Gender has lost most of its meaning for me as the years go by. By that I mean putting someone into a male or female category based on how they appear or how they interact with me or their physical genetics. I'm attracted to a "je ne sais quoi", and that certain something always boils down to something female.

[cindym5_04]

I've never been out on a real date with a man. I've played around with guys and at one time even was an escort. Being dressed and given lots of attention and affection :love: (okay and $) is nice to feel, but when it comes down to it, there's truly nothing, to me, like the feel of a woman.

I by far prefer women...Hey- that's why I married one!! :D

[CDPAUL]

Not into men .

[MarciManseau]

I've been with guys since I was 14, and I love it. I'm totally bisexual; for me, it's more about the person than the gender. Too many people try and put limits on others. I'm not going to help them by limiting those I date and/or have sex with. My GG GF Julie agrees with me too. We've been with girls, guys and other t-girls.


Hugs, Marci and Julie :hugs:

[SKINNYGIRL]

I'm not interested in "men", I have yet to experience a meeting with another cd, and if I did, I'm sure I'd become quite attracted!

[Kelsy]

To each his/her own! I have always loved women But if there were a CD gentleman that wanted escort me while I was dressed and he was in drab well that might be fun and then I could return the favor. pretend date basically.

Kelsy.

[brittdoll]

To each his/her own! I have always loved women But if there were a CD gentleman that wanted escort me while I was dressed and he was in drab well that might be fun and then I could return the favor. pretend date basically.

Kelsy.

I can agree with this. I do not want to be WITH a man but would enjoy being treated like a woman for an evening out (dinner and a movie). Just don't expect me to put out at the end of the night.

[Dorisnycd]

love being a sexy woman with a man on a date and sometimes even more. I have spent the night with men dressed teh entire time and have loved every minute.

[Sandra Jim]

Where so much of me is Female , I have always had a deep desire to be fully accepted and loved as a women . I am very Straight Male looking and acting . But inside I am a women who loves everything about it . I love to shop and do housework fully dressed . So before I married 20 years ago I had the wonderful experience of being with men fully dressed as a women . Having a man carress me in my stockings and bra was very exciting . I felt like a woman and not a man having sex with a man . I am married today to a GG who does not fully accept me as a CD . Even though I list myself as a BI CD , my BI days are long long over . But it was great fun being treated like a woman .

[Barbaraheels]

I'm no expert but I think its only natural for crossdressers to have those urges and thoughts when dressed. I have thought about it for years and I think it may be a fun experience. However if it ever came down to it I probably wouldn't do it. I have always managed to seperate my sex life and crossdressing.

[MarciManseau]

love being a sexy woman with a man on a date and sometimes even more. I have spent the night with men dressed teh entire time and have loved every minute.

I'm sure the men enjoyed it too, Doris. You're hot :devil:


Smoochies, Marci :love:

[Tess]

If I were out of the closet I'd do it in a heart beat.

[Traci_Ann CD]

I wouldn't date a man...but I sure would consider getting hot and heavy (and whatever else we could think of) with a sexy fellow CD'er.

You can bank on that baby.

[Annesah]

Depends on depends. Sure, some guys are pigs. I know, but don't associate with, the many I know. I have related with the good guys and have had a positive experience. Kind, loving, gentle, appreciative. This is good! If you are inclined, go for it. I don't think you will be disapointed. Be selective and safe.

[Brandy Michelle]

Thanks girls for you honest comments. I wanted information from other girls as how they feel about dating men while dressed. The reason, I have dated a man for a little while now. It all started when I dediced to bring myself out the first time. You have to take into consideration I have lived in the house for a long time and have spent most of the time dressed. My feelings on passing is 95 percent on attitude and 5 percent on looks. Well, I was ready. I went to a nightclub, in another town, by myself. When I entered the club, I looked around and found a table away for the rest of the crowd. After awhile I noticed a nice look man in a great looking suit enter the club and was talking with the other guys at the bar. He started looking around and noticed me and walked to my table and asked if he could join me. I said, sure. We made small talk while he was sitting together, and for some reason to even this day I do not know why I said this I told him I was a "Crossdresser/Transgenered." I then asumed he would just say "nice talking with you see you later" but he kept sitting with me. To make a long story short, a slow song was being played by the band and he asked me if I would like to dance.:)

When he unseated me and lead me by the hand to the dance floor and put his arms around me and pulled me into his body, I just melted. We danced and right before the song ended he said "I will have to admit you really feel like a girl." I told him thank you, and he escorted me back to the table. So now is the time for him to say thank you for the dance and leave. But, he sat back down with me. Sorry girls, I am trying to hurry. While we were finishing our drinks, he asked me if he could see me again and all I could get out of my mouth was "OK."

I was just wondering if any other girls ever dated or would date men. Personally I love it. I failed to mention I am not married now nor do I have a SO.

Thanks girls for your help.

This was just the short hurried verison of my dating life there is alot more.

[Tina P Hose]

In a perfect world, I would have a button that I could press. ( i suppose it would be my belly button) I would then transform ME minus the beer belly, and I would become the woman I want to be. I would wear my pantyhose with a short skirt and dance the night away with another cd or a woman. Men are too much like me.... .belching, stinky farts, hair in the wrong places, stupidity, self importance, drunks, no it all's...and all that.


In reality if I met another cd...maybe.:daydreaming:

[jessica19cd]

I've never dated a man. But I have fooled around with a couple of them. It's true when I'm dressed I can't help but feel a little bit of attraction to guys. But I don't feel anything for guys when in drab. Getting back to fooling around, i've never dated them but I have gone all the way with them. Dating requires a more permanent state of femininity. Has anyone else done something like this?

[Intertwined]

Nope, not intersted in men.

I have always considered myself a Male lesbian when dressed, can I say that word? too late I just did.

A cartoon on a T-shirt comes to mind, I hope this Image works.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/BoysAreStupid.jpg

[Rikki1]

To be honest I would have to say yes I would, but then you have to understand that I am really a woman stuck in this ugly mans body.
So it is natural for me to want a man. Being married is the tough part!
Before anyone asks, yes I would go all the way and have the operation, but love my wife and will have to be happy as a CD.
I make an ugly girl, but I am still a girl...WOOT
:tongueout

[roogby]

i am a biological female but i tend to be very androgynous - i consider myself an ftm but i am not strictly masculine...more a very feminine boy, or a tomboy, something like that...

when i see cders, it makes my heart clench, i know how hard they try to look beautiful, and they look absolutely stunning...

i am not generally attracted to girly girls, but when i see a cder, i see a beautiful woman who takes her time to look gorgeous; it makes me want to adore her and make her feel like a lady.

i know it's not exactly on topic but i thought it was slightly relevant. i think a girl should be treated with respect and every girl should feel beautiful, gg or not.

[helenr]

Interesting question, interesting replies. I side with Eva. I personally feel it is really superficial what is between the legs,versus between the ears. We all crave acceptance, don't we? Frankly, aside from fantasy -which I too indulge in-how many GGs really are attracted to us when we are enfemme? I would think it would be around 5%.Now, if you have a loving partner, that is different-someone who is looking past our outer appearance.
I am(sort of ) not ashamed that I have had 'dalliances' with like minded crossdressers where seems like two women together. I naturally now feel this was wrong, but at the time I wanted some acceptance as who I am
. I have seen some super pretty examples on this group of very attractive individuals so I can envision someone straying.
Being accepted is what is the real trigger for many, I feel.
Now, it is different for me as spiro has zapped my interest so I don't have any wanton desire and , more importantly than ever, I can't betray my wife who is standing with me as I deal with radiation and cancer. Nothing else is important enough to betray her. Of course, I have serious guilt over past 'transgressions' ,but I have guilt for 55 years of crossdressing too.

[Sedona]

Nah, not my thing at all, but go for it if it's yours.

[Danielle Hyatt]

I said it befor and I'll say it agin No d?m way

[prene]

I think I reply to this question whenever it's asked to see what my own answer is. I never have before, but as I envision it in my head, yes. But it's a sexual thing, more about how it would make me feel and less about actual attraction.....


I agree with Valenstein.
I have though about it but only in what it would feel like to fully transform/change into a female. It is more of a curosity of what sexual sensations/feelings I am missing?

But I have no attraction to the male body at all.

[xdress2lady]

First; Since I'm married and love her to death, no I wouldn't date men. But if I was single again I would maybe consider it. The feelings and emotions from those here who have tried dating men make me think I would enjoy it too. But here is the issue I think everyone can relate. FINDING A GOOD MAN!! I would definitely need to be attracted first and since i am new at it, I would be asking myself "what the hell am i looking for in one". Yeeeeech! I'm staying married then this is confusing.:doh:

Second; Roogby?; quote " i think a girl should be treated with respect and every girl should feel beautiful, gg or not."
Can you change society to be like this? I want to live in yours instead!!:daydreaming:
VOTE FOR HER LADIES!!!

hugs :hugs:


Josie

[RachelDenise]

I have thought about this question many times myself. And I have tried to be honest with myself. And the surprising answer is that it depends on the person, not the gender. I've come to realize that I'm not scared or intimidated by plumbing, so the person is what gets it going for me. Although I consider myself straight, I really don't think that I can keep that label and maintain my convictions. So I have decided to do away with labels and move forward. Yes I'm very much attracted to GG's (I guess my primary attraction) but I do think pre-ops and CD's are very attractive too. I would rate men as last but not totally out of the running, particularly if I was truly femme.

[michelle2b]

We choose to emulate the opposite sex, but tend to draw the line at a seemingly critical juncture.

I like the way you think :daydreaming:


Regarding the original question, or set of questions -


When you get dressed and feel very fem have you ever wanted to date a man?

No.


Are there any girls that have ever dated a man, I mean the man came to you house and picked you up for your date

Yes. :battingeyelashes:

They either came to my house (if I already knew them too well) or we met in a public place (if I knew them well enough to spend time with them). I do not go out with strangers or even just acquaintances. :straightface:

I need to know enough about people and I have to like them as respectable and respectful friends before I will spend time with them. If they are attracted only to my body or if they are not doing something very meaningful in their own lives, I refuse right away. I do not give any importance to the men who objectify me (I don't even understand them, perhaps because they are not thinking with their brains).

I have had no sexual contact with any of the men before, during or after the dates. They wanted to do something nice for me or they just wanted my company, and they already knew what they were getting into when they asked me out. They had the best non-sexual time of their lives with me. I've been with them to movies, fashion shows, sports events, open air theaters, exhibitions, rock climbing, mini-golf, shopping for Halloween costumes for each other, wine tasting, dessert tasting, picnics, etc. I've also had candle-lit dinners, walks in the parks, dances, etc with them. In some cases, we talked for a few hours, from deeply intellectual stuff to the very superficial ones. It is not like there are dozens of such men, but rather that the same few men who asked me out multiple times and we had a great time together. From their perspective, I think it is like having a girl with them who enjoys things that they enjoy, except sexual stuff.

This evening, one of the men sent me an invitation for dinner at his place on Sunday because he is trying a new recipe and he says he knows I will enjoy it. We have been to each other's homes several times so far. He knows I am lesbian and he respects my boundaries. I feel safe. He actually works with the same employer as I do, but he did not know about this until recently, although I knew before I went out with him the very first time a year ago.

[sallyjones]

i read alot of these replies and if your not gay your not exactly straight either. i have had fantasies about being with a man for a long time but never gone there. i have had acouple of gf who would agree to switch roles with me even sexually. i love it and if you go as far as appearing female sometimes its nice to be treated as such.

[Carole Cross]

At this moment in my life I would say no, but as I start transitioning my views will probably change. When I feel comfortable going out as a woman I may start dating men but I would tell them my situation and take it from there.

[Karen1969DD]

This issue is relevant to my hubby and me. We are transitioning to a role reversed marriage, and lately during discussions he has expressed interest in dating men as part of his "training". I am trying to sort out my feelings on this. On the one hand, I think it would be good experience for him, on the other hand, I feel jealousy and fear of losing him in spite of the fact that he claims he has strict limits and would never do anything to harm our relationship.

[Nicki B]

Are there any girls that have ever dated a man, I mean the man came to you house and picked you up for your date?

Be wary of letting people know where you live, until you're very sure of them? Be safe - think like other women, they've learnt there are plenty of weirdo's out there?

*looks around and hides behind sofa* :hiding:

[MarciManseau]

I've never dated a man. But I have fooled around with a couple of them. It's true when I'm dressed I can't help but feel a little bit of attraction to guys. But I don't feel anything for guys when in drab. Getting back to fooling around, i've never dated them but I have gone all the way with them. Dating requires a more permanent state of femininity. Has anyone else done something like this?

You're totally hot, so I'm sure you can have all the bfs you want. It's fun, isn't it? Girls are supposed to like men! :devil:


Smoochies, Marci :hugs:

[cindym5_04]

Marci... you go around talking about how others are hot...have you looked in the mirror lately?? DAMN GIRL, you're smokin'!!

[MarciManseau]

Marci... you go around talking about how others are hot...have you looked in the mirror lately?? DAMN GIRL, you're smokin'!!

I look all the time, and thanks so much :) I so love hearing that. Don't stop, ok? :heehee:


Kisses, Marci :hugs:

[Brandy Michelle]

Girls, I never thought this would get this far. I thank each and every one of you for the comments. I love each one and I know each comment has been form the heart. If you have a desire to date men or not I LOVE EACH ONE OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!! As the song goes "We are Family...."

[Annesah]

Girls love men! What's the difference? Whatever! There should be no confusion on anyone's part.

[satin_luva]

I have always found many women to be incredibly sexy and a real turn on to me.
I haven't dated any men, however I have recently (in the last few months or so) had quite satisfying and arousing fantasies
The thing is, whenever I'm out and about in malls and what not, I only look at women lasciviously. I never seem to notice any young hansom men and gawp on them. So I am quite confused as to wether I am stright or bi. On a straght forward level, if I were to engage in any homosexual activity and enjoy it and continue with it I would be bi. But as far as attraction to men I am far from the answer. I am very interested and excited about experiencing it, though. :daydreaming:
Honestly, I'm not worried about the thoughts of my true sexuality. All I hope is that however it is, that it is pleasing and that I get enough of it. lol

[simonestrt]

I have never been out dressed yet but i went to funny girls in blackpool and found the tv staff a reel turn on

[Tess]

I have always found many women to be incredibly sexy and a real turn on to me.
The thing is, whenever I'm out and about in malls and what not, I only look at women lasciviously. I never seem to notice any young hansom men and gawp on them. So I am quite confused as to wether I am stright or bi. On a straght forward level, if I were to engage in any homosexual activity and enjoy it and continue with it I would be bi. But as far as attraction to men I am far from the answer. I am very interested and excited about experiencing it, though. :daydreaming:
Honestly, I'm not worried about the thoughts of my true sexuality. lol

You're not alone in how you feel. I feel the same way only I've carried out my fantasies. It can be a bit of a slippery slope with you ending up preferring one over the other for sexual activity.

[Alex!]

No. Not in a million years.

[Raychel]

Boys are gross, that is why I dress like a lady. Why would I want to date a guy. YUK.

No seriously, just GG's for me. To be more specific, just one woman for me. Just my wife. :love:

[Desiree2bababe]

You're not alone in how you feel. I feel the same way only I've carried out my fantasies. It can be a bit of a slippery slope with you ending up preferring one over the other for sexual activity.

So true, I've dated far more men than women and today it's a man that turns me on..........yet I still love women.

[Tess]

So true, I've dated far more men than women and today it's a man that turns me on..........yet I still love women.

It took a few years but that is where I also find myself.

[Lisa Catherine]

While I was at the 2008 SCC, I let a FTM crossdresser take me out as "his prom date", and it was a fun time!! I even took "his" advice on walking in a dress and heels, and got whistled at coming out of Wal Mart (a quick stop for a makeup restock), and got gawked at in the restaurant we ate at! Quite the evening! I'm a full-fledged genetic male, and she's a GG, and an FTM CD'er, quite the magic combo!:love::drink::hugs:

[linnea]

I have only thought about having friends of both sexes who know me as Linnea and whose company I enjoy.

[Tracii G]

For me its not the gender its the person.I dated one guy for about a year and broke up.
I have dated both genders in the last few months and the women have been great don't get me wrong but so needy to a point you want to get away from them.
There is one guy I meet 3 weeks ago and this guy has it all (for me anyway) soo good looking, great smile, beautiful hair,and a body(ouch)+an aewsome personality but he is your general straight guy.I want to say something but I can't get it out.
When I'm around him I get a rush of mega girly feelings and want to flirt.
He only knows me in drab so coming out to him might be the kiss of death.
He comes in a club I hang out at and he usually sits by himself and has dinner and talks to a few of us regulars, never has a lady with him so I don't know what his preference is.

[Jennifar]

I have never been with anoither man, But I have wanted to. But I live in a small and it hard to do anything without everybody confrunting you. And I work Union Construction, So it becomes a brotherhood issue. And If your gay or Bi it spreades like wild fire, And it can affect your job placement. But none the less, I am looking for sombody to experment with, completly dressed sexy and take the ride of my life. Ha ha ha!!!!!!!!

[wannabie]

:iagree:

Never had the urge. Have been approached in the past by trannie crashers. Just NOT my cup of tea.

Huggs, Renee

what are trannie crashers?

BTW for the question:

I'll try anything once but I haven't been asked.


This, I think, is not a new topic, but always an interesting one. Do we see some contradictions here in the responses? We choose to emulate the opposite sex, but tend to draw the line at a seemingly critical juncture. It seems to me that, and I've written it previously, however "straight" or "hetero" we think or claim we are, in the world somewhere there's an individual of our own gender who can set the bells ringing. You take it from there . . . Oh, did I stray from the question?

I don't think you strayed from the question at all; and your right. there are somethings that we put a limit on because of our own Taboo.

[renee k]

what are trannie crashers?

BTW for the question:

I'll try anything once but I haven't been asked.

Sorry about that I meant to say trannie chasers.

Huggs, Renee

[BobbiJ]

Girls: When you get dressed and feel very fem have you ever wanted to date a man? ...

I never did when Bobbi was kept locked away, but as i've let her out, i have to admit, i've wondered what it would be like to be out for a night and treated like a lady by the right guy. Have i daydreamed/fantasized about what the end of that date might bring? Yes. But when i'm not in "Bobbi mode," those feelings aren't there.

I have a very dear online friend that's post-op M2F that i've confided this to. She says i'm "situationally straight." :)

Regardless, i made a promise to a wonderful woman over 20 years ago to forsake all others, and whether i'm femme or not, i'm keeping that promise.

[Donna tv]

Susan, I'm feeling more like that each day


I do, and thats the problem I'm having. I want to be with a man, and want a man to please me, but then that would be cheating on my wife. Howeer, like you said, I don't find myself looking at men when I'm not enfem, only when I'm dressed, or dreaming about dressing.

If only I could get my wife to try to be more dominate, maybe that would satisfy my carnial cravings of lust.

-Susan

Girls I could not agree with you more. But I am at another level. the pleasing me part is ok, but I would so want to please him more. At one time I thought I too, would need to be dressed for this which would be the ultimate situation but I am not so sure being enfem is a requirement. Also I would totally be lying if I said I did not check men out. There are certainly some out there who definately get my attention. I still consider all this a fantasy since nothing has ever developed and plan on always keeping it that way.
Just my:2c:
Donna

[lady_d]

Ok personnanly i have been dating men just becuse in high school i just hung out with girls and i would get jelous of them with thier boyfriends and i felt that i should have one and thats when i started dating men

[suzy]

No, I do not have that desire.... I do think it would be a turn on to be dressed in a bar scene, for example, and have a man buy me a drink... but it would not go any further and might get ugly if he was too persistent!:eek:

[VikkiGurl]

I did not for many years but within the last year I have desired it. It is perfectly logical, I am trying to be as female as possible and what is the next step after getting dressed up? Dating a man!

I am curious if I am woman dating a male how is it I am "gay"?

[Kimmie]

I look all the time, and thanks so much :) I so love hearing that. Don't stop, ok? :heehee:


Kisses, Marci :hugs:


Sure sweetie. You are very pretty.

[Jennifer Devine]

I'm only interested in women.
When i have the sex change (after i win the lottery of course.........like that will ever happen.........) i would love to be in a lesbian relationship! ;D

Jen xxxx

[Tashee]

Date A man? I would hate to give an impression that I was gay or something.:daydreaming:

I actually was fully in the closet and I was enamoured by this charming , witty man. I never even had the guts to tell him I dressed! Imagine that. I would not want him to think I was weird or something:daydreaming:

We make our own walls then create our own definitions. Then we want Positive feedback on who we are or are not.

Its an interesting trap that we learn to set for ourselves. It is what stops many from being whom they long to be. Uggh. I sound like a John Hughes movie...
Sorry I need :hugs:sleep

[TommiTN]

I did not for many years but within the last year I have desired it. It is perfectly logical, I am trying to be as female as possible and what is the next step after getting dressed up? Dating a man!

I am curious if I am woman dating a male how is it I am "gay"?

This is where it gets confusing but my take is you're not "gay" (and if you were, so what?). In your mind you're female despite any appendages. Sex is what you're physically born with; gender is between your ears and in your heart. That your gender ID is malleable is perfectly normal. If you were attracted to men all the time to the exclusion of any attraction to women you would be gay. More confusion: If, while dressed as a woman you're sexually attracted to other CDers does that make you a lesbian? Also, if you were a male CD admirerer, knowing all the while that the object of your desire isn't physically female are you gay or just a straight male attracted to femininity?

[ga_crossdresser]

Yes I would dat a men in heart beat. I'm bi so looking at guys while is drab is something I do to begin with. But the thought of being treated like a lady by a guy would be a dream come true.

[MarcieM]

I did not for many years but within the last year I have desired it. It is perfectly logical, I am trying to be as female as possible and what is the next step after getting dressed up? Dating a man!
I am curious if I am woman dating a male how is it I am "gay"?
Because you're NOT a woman, you're just impersonating one. That makes you gay if you date a male. And No, it's not "perfectly logical". If you have gay tendencies, that's ok. Just don't make excuses for it.

[jayme357]

If I am going to present as a lady, then I am going to behave as a lady. It seems a bit unreasonable that we want to define our parameters so narrowly. This is okay, but that is not. I want to play dress up, but I don't want the responsibility of the consequences. I want to play house, but only within my comfort zone. I want to look like a woman, but not behave like one.

The above is terribly insensitive, but I don't understand the concept of just dabbling in this thing called femininity. I know there is a huge distance between dreams and reality, but for me the line is clear. When I am en femme, I think, dream, feel, and as best I can, behave as a woman. When I am in guy mode, I am all man. (except when I see a beautiful woman and silently wish I could change places with her, but that's our little secret). Forgive me ladies, but I really struggle with the "want it all, but only on my terms" concept.

DD, where are you when I need you?

[Carol123]

Carol would be a wife and a mother if she could no matter what clothing she wears

[MarcieM]

I want to play house, but only within my comfort zone. I want to look like a woman, but not behave like one.
The above is terribly insensitive, but I don't understand the concept of just dabbling in this thing called femininity. I know there is a huge distance between dreams and reality, but for me the line is clear. When I am en femme, I think, dream, feel, and as best I can, behave as a woman.
You can behave however you want. Just don't say because you're dressing like a woman that you're a "woman" if you date a guy. You still have the same plumbing. I have no problem with CD's being gay or bi. Just be honest.

[Nicki B]

Because you're NOT a woman, you're just impersonating one.

For many of us, it's not nearly so simple as that.

[Brandy Michelle]

Thanks again girls: I really am greatful for your truthful comments. The way I feel (and this is just my feelings) when I dress fem I want to be fem and all that comes with it. If I get requested out on a date by a man, to me, that is part of what I want to accomplish to be acknowleded as a woman. Others have their comments, and that is quite alright, that they get dressed to just get dressed. When I get dressed I want it ALL. Thanks again for you comments. I love all ya'll.
Brandy

[MarcieM]

For many of us, it's not nearly so simple as that.

please explain.

[Crystal Alberta]

My answer to this question is different now that it would have been five or ten years ago. I had always thought of myself as completely straight, but as I've grown more comfortable with myself during the past few years, I've realized that the thought of being with a man (or, even more so, with another CD) while dressed does have a certain appeal. I've never been with a man before, and I don't know whether I'll ever act on these thoughts or if I'll just leave them as mere curiosities.

Crystal

[Nicki B]

please explain.

Well, for a start, some of us here feel that some of the time, at least, it's more like we're impersonating men (and I'm NOT referring to the FTMs)?

But what I was getting at is that gender is NOT a binary - there is a long history of people who were not fully one or the other. Or would you describe, for example, native american 'Two Spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit)' people as 'impersonating' women?

Look around the world at people like the Kathoey in Thailand, or the Hijra in India?

Would you describe CAIS or PAIS women (http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/924996-overview) as impersonating women? Or other intersex people? :strugglin

http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/pais

[Dana]

Its not about sex, but a validation of your femininity. Just another punch in your femiinity card.

Guess what? Gay guys are into guys/masculinity/men not men that are into dressing like women or women clothes of being feminine. They absolutely hate it more so than a GG!

There's sex and there's gender ~ they're completely differnt things.

[CharleneT]

Girls: When you get dressed and feel very fem have you ever wanted to date a man? Are there any girls that have ever dated a man, I mean the man came to you house and picked you up for your date? I have to say I have never classiffied myself as gay or anything like that, but here lately when I am dressed and out, I look at men more than I use to. Love to hear from others on this subject.:)

When dressed I very much feel like dating a man. When out dressed, I get attention from both sexes ( a little ....) and I like that.

I have not gone out on a date with a man, either dressed or otherwise. I would if asked, assuming I am comfortable with him. Anyone out there want to date a semi-decent looking CD'r from Iowa ??? LOL !!

I am not gay, nor do I think it means I am if I went on a date with a man. For me, gender and gender presentation are irrelavent, I am attracted to the "person". Also, and this is just my opinion, dating and sex are all about the electricity, not the plumbing.

[victoriamwilliams1]

I'm no expert but I think its only natural for crossdressers to have those urges and thoughts when dressed. I have thought about it for years and I think it may be a fun experience. However if it ever came down to it I probably wouldn't do it. I have always managed to seperate my sex life and crossdressing.

Agreed!

Now for my story,

When I am dressed I am not attracted women at all plus I am married to one:) Now what I see in women when I dress is her style and what she has on, I actually look at her as a woman looks at another woman.

Now for me I was shopping and the guy who works at the store complemented me and was very nice and boom! for the first time ever while dresses I was totally attracted to him for a few days! Now we can say no way however I did too and still do by the way. However if the right person speaks to you without touching you can find it happening to you. Now for me the attraction was not sexual at all. He told me his life story, I had been at the store several times but this was the time when I had just changed my hair style and I can say this, from that day to now that one moment made me more confident while dressed.

I had one bad experience and was kissed by a dude and I wanted to knock his head off but I acted submissive and it took months for that image to get out of my head! I did not care if he was a good or bad kisser who asked me out again. This was after I agreed to meet him in his hotel room and I made an excuse so I could leave early which was partly true. I will never do that again! However it was at that point when I was just getting active going out and I wanted so affirmation.

Just my 2 cents! No to men!

[simonestrt]

I dont think i could date a man in male cloths but i could go for a crossdresser I think it is becouse thay are showing there fem side is that crazzy

[Cissy Chiana]

I'm bisexual in that I find lots of different people attractive but also asexual in that I don't really want to have a sexual relationship with anyone

[Robyn_mncd]

I'm not into guys-just girls. If that makes me a lipstick lez, that's a label with which I can live.

[Sarah...]

Well, each to his or her own, I say. There are no rules. You suit yourself, not what others might perceive you should be.


At this moment in my life I would say no, but as I start transitioning my views will probably change. When I feel comfortable going out as a woman I may start dating men but I would tell them my situation and take it from there.

I have to say I feel concerned when I read words such as these. We are who we are and I'm concerned that if we think that transitioning will make our views change then we may be very much mistaken.


Girls: When you get dressed and feel very fem have you ever wanted to date a man?

Same as my response above really, I'm not sure that what you wear changes who you are attracted to and who you might want to date. How you deal with being a CD or TG / TS may awaken long-denied desires, but that's a whole different thing.


Boys are gross, that is why I dress like a lady. Why would I want to date a guy. YUK.



I think there may well be huge numbers of boys who are not gross and who are definitely dateable! I met quite a few before I met my life partner who became my wife.

Sarah...

[Anne-Marie]

I wish I could be more definative in my response to this question and say a very +ve no. I class myself as hetrosexual and am not particularly taken by homosexuals of homosexuality but having thought this through, I could envisage dating a man if he was nice and treated me like a lady. For me I don't think it would be atraction to him but the experience of being wined and dined, romanced etc, treated like I like to treat a Lady. but then again perhaps this would be playing with fire.

[Morford]

I've thought about this from time to time, too... more and more often recently, though I suspect that has something to do with the fact that I stayed at my parents' house over Christmas break and haven't been able to dress at all for the past three weeks, as well as that I'm still a virgin at 24—but that's a story for another time. While I'm certainly curious what it would be like to go all the way with another guy—and I can't say I wouldn't be interested given the right circumstances—there are a few things that are holding me back from going out and seeing what happens. Sure, most of them are what you'd expect: I'm generally a shy person, I don't have the "passability" factor (no wig, too much body hair, and I'm a total novice at makeup), and I'm nervous about the whole nightclub thing. But there's one that most people probably don't think about that I'd like to elaborate on here. (Apologies if this sounds preachy, but this has been on my mind for a while now, and I feel the information needs to get out there.)

I'm a semi-regular blood donor, and I'd like to continue to donate in the future. However, according to current FDA regulations, men who have sex with men (MSM)—and the term applies regardless of whether one identifies as homosexual or not—must defer indefinitely from donating blood. I'll say it again because it's important: Any male who has had sex with another male, even once, since 1977 is barred for life from donating blood under the current FDA rules. This policy was put into effect back in 1983 due to the AIDS scare of the time, and it probably made perfect sense then, given that AIDS was widely considered a "gay disease" (to the point the name "Gay-Related Immune Deficiency (GRID)" was considered for the ailment) and testing was unreliable. However, in the 21st century, it seems silly and outdated, especially since HIV can now be caught within a month of infection, and similarly high-risk groups are not subject to this restriction. Women who have had sex with MSM need only wait 12 months before donating again, and the same goes for anyone who's had sex with a person confirmed HIV-positive.

In March 2006, the American Associaton of Blood Banks (AABB), America's Blood Centers (ABC), and the American Red Cross (ARC) issued a joint statement (http://www.aabb.org/Content/Members_Area/Members_Area_Regulatory/Donor_Suitability/bpacdefernat030906.htm) to the FDA commenting on the deferral criteria for MSM. Indeed, the AABB has been advocating a reduction of the deferral period to 12 months since 1997. Last year, the president of San Jose State University suspended all on-campus blood drives, explaining that the MSM deferral conflicts with his school's non-discrimination policy. The FDA has stated that it is willing to revise the 25-year-old policy if sufficient supporting evidence were found, but has yet to take action in this regard, even though some study models project an increase in infections via transfusion as low as one case every 32.8 years. (Apparently the FDA re-evaluates its policies every fall; its website still states that MSM are banned from donating, but the relevant page (http://www.fda.gov/cber/faq/msmdonor.htm) hasn't been updated in over a year.)

Of course, everyone sees things differently, but for me the idea of never being able to donate blood again is enough to keep me from pursuing a same-sex encounter. Until the FDA revises this policy, and I can be assured that my blood will still be acceptable, any fantasies I might have about being with another man will remain just that—fantasies.

(EDIT: There was a similar thread (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90061) a few months ago, if you're interested in other perspectives on getting together with a GB.)

[Nicki B]

Well, each to his or her own, I say. There are no rules.

No - but you need to think of safety?


I had one bad experience ..... This was after I agreed to meet him in his hotel room

[StevieTV]

Yes, been there. The first time was scary and I told myself I wouldn't do it again. Was I wrong. The craving was all too strong. That's when I new I was gay.

[Sarah...]

No - but you need to think of safety?

Indeed you most certainly do.

[BobbiJ]

please explain.

Saying, "you're just impersonating one," is incredibly insensitive. Actually, it's incredibly offensive and insulting to every TS on this board, and to any of us that have the unfortunate fate of being stuck in the middle of the gender identity equation.

TG's are people that were born with a brain that was wired one way, and a body that was built the other. You are what your brain tells you you are. You can change your body, but you can't rewire your brain. And if you could, you'd no longer be yourself - in essence, you'd be dying in a fashion.

A M2F TS isn't impersonating a woman, she's a woman that got stuck in the wrong chassis. Me? I don't know what the heck i am.

Just don't tell me i'm "impersonating" anything.

[Sarah Martin]

I'd be much more inclined to date another CD, but would date a man if he asked.
Though as I look like an fat, angry rhino there's not much chance of being asked... *sigh *

[Janie Gunn]

BobbyJ: A M2F TS isn't impersonating a woman, she's a woman that got stuck in the wrong chassis. Me? I don't know what the heck i am.

Just don't tell me i'm "impersonating" anything.


Bobby,then also, YOU shouldnt be telling others what they are i.e. woman stuck in the wrong chassis or
born with a brain that was wired one way, and a body that was built the other, as only the individual knows what they are, and I for one arent either of those descriptions. Arent you also being insensitive?

[CharleneT]

hey all,

SO, today the plots "thickens" ! There is a man who has been paying attention to me a lot in the last couple of months. Today he asked me out for Sunday. He has to check work schedule, but assuming all is well, I'm going to be taken out to dinner on Sunday night. Dressed is the idea, so soon I will not be able to say that I have not gone out with a man dressed (or for that matter, at all).

Ok, wish me luck, because it is more than a bit scary. He is nice, polite and hasn't yet acted like the usual "admirer's". We are going out in his town (north of me by a bit) and he said any restaurant I wanted. I mentioned that in good light I may not pass so well.... he said he would be happy to have me on his arm in any light !

I will report back, not sure if I should do it here or create a new thread ( do not want to hijake this one ). BUT the useful part is that I will be able to answer somethings asked at the begining of this thread, in a way that I could not before.

Charlene

[JillHill]

The reason I dress is to find a little softness in life. I also want to expierence many things I like that are tradtionally classified as female. Being an A type personality, when I am dressed I really want to body else to take charge, I want attention. I have not dated or had sex with a man but sometime the urge to have one hold me and cuddle with me is strong.

I am straight, but sometimes the feelings are there, but I have never found a man besided other cds that were not pigs to be around.

[joann07]

Last year, I was in NYC, for work, and a guy I used to work with took me around the city to check out the sights. We rode the cabs and the subway and had dinner and all. He paid for dinner one night, as well as for the transporation costs, and on another night we ate dinner and paid separately. I didn't treat it like a date, nor did he. I didn't feel attracted to him in any way, but he was very cool and treated me like a lady.
In all, it was just a great time.


Hugs!

[Kendra08]

When I'm dressed I fantasize about men more than I do when I'm in guy mode. I am attracted to women and other CDs and very curious about being with men. I think if asked on a date I'd do it.

[susan lewis]

I have gone on dates with men and being out in public with a man is such a thrill. I love people seeing me on the arms of a man and letting them think im his girlfriend or wife. My dates so far have been great. The men have been attentive and when they tell me how sexy and pretty I am, well Im putty in their hands from then on. Have to admit I love both women and men but when dressed im 100% female and have needs and wants that only a man can give a woman

[Persephone]

If I am going to present as a lady, then I am going to behave as a lady. It seems a bit unreasonable that we want to define our parameters so narrowly. This is okay, but that is not. I want to play dress up, but I don't want the responsibility of the consequences. I want to play house, but only within my comfort zone. I want to look like a woman, but not behave like one.

The above is terribly insensitive, but I don't understand the concept of just dabbling in this thing called femininity.

I agree! You are so right on!

[lucyuktv3]

i have never dated a man but would luv to when all made up i have spoken to guys on phone and on chat rooms and really enjoyed it and in clubs but never actually been on a date yet. . . . mwah lucy x

[Juliemckay]

I am a straight man and I hve never considered dating a man....


until very recently, that is.


On my last shopping trip (fully dressed, and in my new outfit), I noticed several guys checking me out. I don't believe they thought I was a man, because the were mostly checking out my boobs. I was quite a new feeling for me. I was flattered, confused, taken back, a little disgusted and a bit turned on, all at the same time. Now I'm not sure if I would date a man or not. I may date a man if the conditions were right and he knew I was a CDr... but the sex part has me confused. I don't thing I would "go all the way", but I may want to make out while dresses.

[sarab]

I've been with a man way back in my high school days, then didnt have any interest. Now that I'm embracing my female side, Id seriously consider a date and possibly more.

[Kelli Michelle]

When in male garb, I have absolutely no interest in men. When dressed as a female, I do feel drawn (don't know if attracted is the right word) to men more. I prefer women, but I suspect that if an attentive, attractive, interesting, funny guy engaged me in a conversation, I would be a least receptive. I could contempleate at least kissing, cuddling, etc. not sure how much more than that, but who knows? I guess en femme, i would be close to bi-sexual with a preference for women. But let's face it. I feel that everyone would be at least attentive to any person (male or female) who was appreciative, polite, etc. to you while dressed. No? I mean one could casually flirt without giving out bold " I want sex with you signals..."

This is sorta weird too. I would have more interest in a man than another CD . I see other CDs as friends really, I guess.

[Tracii G]

I dated a man for about a year we had a great relationship for the most part.
I met him at a party I was dressed he knew I was a guy right off.
He was a gay man all the way I am Bi for the record.
On dates when I would be dressed en femme he was very attentive and treated me like a lady which was such a turn on for me.
He tolerated me dressed but he preferred me in guy mode.
Our relationship ended because I was too girly inside thats what he said anyway.He is more the "hey look at me I'm gay" type flauting his sexual preference publicly which I find kind of rude in a way.
A lot of guys are pigs I'll agree with that statement.
I do flirt a little with guys to some extent when out enfemme with a smile or a turn round and look move as they pass by just like guys do when a pretty woman walks by.

[AmandaM]

Saying, "you're just impersonating one," is incredibly insensitive. Actually, it's incredibly offensive and insulting to every TS on this board, and to any of us that have the unfortunate fate of being stuck in the middle of the gender identity equation. Me? I don't know what the heck i am. Just don't tell me i'm "impersonating" anything.

Exactly. I've been diagnosed as a TV with TS tendencies. Actually, I believe I am a TS, since birth. But, I live as a married man who crossdresses, and I was a player in my 20's who dated tons of women. I too have felt desires to be with men when dressed to the nines. But, the idea of being my man-self with a man is a complete turn-off. When I am in man-mode, it's girls for me. As a woman? I could go for women first, TS/passable CDers second, and men depending on who he is (has to be extremely hot). Anyway, any desire of mine to have sex with "male equipped" people has to be when I am a woman. Any other idea turns me off. I tried it, I know. I am not gay.

[Juliemckay]

This whole dating men thing is very new to me, and quite frankly, has be a bit confused. I have zero inclination to date a guy while drab, but in drag I feel a bit differently. I have never had the chance to date a man, so I'm just guessing here. I love the attention I get and would be more than willing to do things like share a drink or dance with a man (while in drag only). If it progressed farther than that I have no idea what I would really do.

Oddly, even when underdressed I have no desire for closeness to a man, only when fully dresssed. I'm currently sitting in a office full of men and I'm wearing a red satin cami, matching red satin bikini panties and panty hose under my boy garb, and nothing. The last time I was out fully dressed (Monday) I notice a couple of guys checking out my boobs (they are quite nice), and this started me thinking....

[Chrissy8888]

This topic does come up every couple of months. Here is just my opinion on this topic.

Like many of you I have strong feelings of what it would be like to be fully dressed and on a date with a man. Years ago I was very confused by these feelings. Troubled may be a better term. Then as I got older and the internet becoming more popular I realized that I was not alone. Many people feel this way. This is where I am going to assert my opinion. I think more than anything cross-dresser or not we as humans need validation. We also need companionship. For many cross-dressers, me included, we want to at least feel like women, or men, depending on your sex. That being said some cross-dressers (not all) become validated that way when a man pays attention to them. All of that being said I also think that people truly want to be cared for by one person. Some people are strongly heterosexual, some are strongly homosexual, some are bi-sexual and I think some are truly in the middle of the road all the way around. They just and to be loved and to love someone else.

I have experimented with a guy before nothing extremely overt (we didn’t go all the way). I was worried that I would be a head case after the experience. However it was just different, not good or bad, just different. So I think an open mind is really what is important. Well and safety, safety, SAFETY.

[Michelle8]

I would never consider going out with a man in guy mode.
But dressed as a women I would definetly go.To get to feel
sexy and feminine would be a dream come true.If he was hot
i would love to have a boyfriend

[Stephanie81]

Well, this is an interesting and oft discussed topic.. After reading all the posts on this topic it is clear to me that there are a wide variety of opinions on the subject, and I think in the end it comes down to who you are, or in fact, who you percieve yourself to be, or even want to be. For many people this appears to be a very confusing thing.

Many of you on here appear to identify as a "Straight" CD, which is completely valid, although I do think the whole Straight, Gay or Bi thing is not as black and white as people like to make out.. To me, it is more like "shades of grey".

As for myself, I identify as Gay, and have done ever since puberty, and have been out of the closet for a while now.. I'm also a Cross Dresser, and I dress in female clothes about 50% of the time, at home and in public, so I'm out of the closet in that respect also.

I have only ever dated men, and frankly I couldn't imagine dating a woman.

Which brings me to another interesting point:




Guess what? Gay guys are into guys/masculinity/men not men that are into dressing like women or women clothes of being feminine. They absolutely hate it more so than a GG!

That isn't actually accurate.. Many Gay guys, prefer "pretty boys", or Drag Queens (like myself).. men with a more feminine outlook.. (I speak from personal experience!) It all comes down to personal preference..

Great topic though, like I said!!

:thumbup:

[epsxyblkm]

I would have to say that is one of the things that I struggle with when I am dressed.

But to give the answer, yes. I have been with a Man when dressed.

It is hard to feel sexy, and not want that validation.

[Lorileah]

I have gone out with both men and women and even a lesbian. It makes you feel special when a man opens the door and helps you out of the car. Haven't made it to the third date yet where you have to decide if you are going to sleep with him ;)

[kristyk]

:battingeyelashesSomtime after high school when I started living on my own I wondered if I would know how a woman would act if I was to be dressed as Kristy and had the opportunity to spend time with a man on a date, and I dated girls growing up never thought about dating a man.

My first time on a date I was a little nervous I ended up feeling so comfortable it was like no other date I had ever been on with any girl. I was a little apprehensive a little nervous but I remember more thananything I just couldn't quit smiling I can still hear Roy saying "what is so funny".
:battingeyelashes:


I am new so if I rambled to much I am sorry
KristyK

[Billijo49504]

I met a CD'er and his wife at a rest stop, he was very submissive and so was his wife. They both came to meet me. They both bowed down for me, dressed as a girl. And actually he was better than she was....BJ

[Hosed]

Men? No, but other CDs? Definatly, I've had an encounter with another CD before and would enjoy it again. The best part was watching someone else dress, all the lil' things that go unnoticed when you dress become so very interesting, say like straightening the seam on stockings.

[Crissy Kay]

On the flip side, I think that I would enjoy going out on a date with a cd, me being en drab!!! But then its the same problem I have had with women anyway, what cder would want to go out with me!!!!! LOL!!!!!

[Sherry-Stephanie]

I've read some of these posts and find the varying opinions interesting....also notice that this thread has had some 5,000+ views which tells me there's a whole lot of interested in this topic....

However, at the end of the day wether your dropping your pants or raising your skirt it's still guy on guy sex should it go that far and that ='s gay sex....not hetrosexual....so one or both of the people involved is either gay or bisexual....not that that is the issue here....I enjoy doing the female things with a guy as much as I enjoy doing the guy thing with the females...my gate swings both ways as they say...doing it in a dress or a two piece suit is irrelelvant to my justification or desire to do it....

Being bi-sexual myself being with a guy whether I'm in male mode or dressed as a female (BTW I haven't dated or been with a guy in CD mode) isn't the core issue..if your willing to be with a guy (sexually) dressed as a female then it shouldn't matter either if your with a guy dressed in female mode.

Just my opinion/view on this...and no one has to put a hill of beans to it as well....but I also think that as we dress femme it's a logical and natural question or though for us girls to ask ourselves "I winder what it's liek to be with a guy....and then take it one step further and ask what sex would be like as a girl with a guy....I find that more normal that if we're a girl and wanting to be a guy (performing as the male) with another CD'er...that I can't understand....

[Kelsy]

[QUOTE=Nicki B;1554235]Well, for a start, some of us here feel that some of the time, at least, it's more like we're impersonating men QUOTE]


Nicki,

I ,for one, have always felt that being male was a role I've played and not all that successfully at that! Being outwardly male was always at odds with who I felt I was inside! Two spirited!

Kelsy

[MarciManseau]

[QUOTE=Nicki B;1554235]Well, for a start, some of us here feel that some of the time, at least, it's more like we're impersonating men QUOTE]


Nicki,

I ,for one, have always felt that being male was a role I've played and not all that successfully at that! Being outwardly male was always at odds with who I felt I was inside! Two spirited!

Kelsy

It was always a role I tried to play until I was 14, and then I realized that everyone thought I was a girl, including me. Even when I was out in public trying to look like a boy, I was always mistaken for a girl.


Hugs, Marci :hugs:

[AmandaM]

<<However, at the end of the day wether your dropping your pants or raising your skirt it's still guy on guy sex should it go that far and that ='s gay sex....not hetrosexual....>>

That is too one-dimensional to explain TG people. If you're thinking body parts only, then this definition holds. But this ignores the mind of a TG. I find that gays and bi's are as ignorant as straights in this regard.

[Sherry-Stephanie]

T
hat is too one-dimensional to explain TG people. If you're thinking body parts only, then this definition holds. But this ignores the mind of a TG. I find that gays and bi's are as ignorant as straights in this regard.


No my comments are directed to those of us (CD'ers who simply dress because we like to dress femme...but are also aware of the fact that we are male and still function as male....))who once they dress female then think about or wonder about what it would be like to intimate as a female and be with a guy doesn't make it hertosexual and not "gay sex"....

Now with someone who is transgendered or a female trapped in a male body but otherwise is all female then that desire translates to being hetrosexula and is as norml;a to them as it is to any M/F....

what I was getting at is experiencing a man does require so much the dressing the part as it simply does require the willingness to experience a gay experience to see what it feels like taking on the woman's role....

Like I said it's only my presepctive I mught have it all wrong here...but this is what I've found it to be for me....nothing more or nothing less....

[Brandy Michelle]

Thanks girls for all your comments. I did not really think this would go this far. I have had my second date with the man I spoke of in this thread. It was a wonderful feeling to be treated as a woman. After our date, and him taking me home, standing at the front door I asked him if he would like to come in for a nitecap. He put his arms around me and gave me a toe curling kiss (threw me for a loop) and said he would love to, but he could not because if he did he would want to make love to me, but did not know how. After he said that I did not know what to say. Part of me wanted to tell him "I will teach you." He just said I'll call you in the morning and then left. I will have to admit it was a wonderful date. Deep down I want him.
Love Ya'll
Brandy

[Lorileah]

Oh my Brandy and where exactly did he park his white horse? There are still gentlemen aroung Sigh

[Tess]

I've read some of these posts and find the varying opinions interesting....also notice that this thread has had some 5,000+ views which tells me there's a whole lot of interested in this topic....

However, at the end of the day wether your dropping your pants or raising your skirt it's still guy on guy sex should it go that far and that ='s gay sex....not hetrosexual....so one or both of the people involved is either gay or bisexual....not that that is the issue here....I enjoy doing the female things with a guy as much as I enjoy doing the guy thing with the females...my gate swings both ways as they say...doing it in a dress or a two piece suit is irrelelvant to my justification or desire to do it....

Being bi-sexual myself being with a guy whether I'm in male mode or dressed as a female (BTW I haven't dated or been with a guy in CD mode) isn't the core issue..if your willing to be with a guy (sexually) dressed as a female then it shouldn't matter either if your with a guy dressed in female mode.

Just my opinion/view on this...and no one has to put a hill of beans to it as well....but I also think that as we dress femme it's a logical and natural question or though for us girls to ask ourselves "I winder what it's liek to be with a guy....and then take it one step further and ask what sex would be like as a girl with a guy....I find that more normal that if we're a girl and wanting to be a guy (performing as the male) with another CD'er...that I can't understand....

We think alike on this subject. For me playing the female role with another guy developed separately from CD'ing. It really doesn't matter whether I'm dressed or not, it's still the same thing.

[prene]

No!!!

I like everything girly.....including the girls!

I'm with Samantha.

[AmandaM]

<<No my comments are directed to those of us (CD'ers who simply dress because we like to dress femme...but are also aware of the fact that we are male and still function as male....))who once they dress female then think about or wonder about what it would be like to intimate as a female and be with a guy doesn't make it hertosexual and not "gay sex"....Now with someone who is transgendered or a female trapped in a male body but otherwise is all female then that desire translates to being hetrosexula and is as norml;a to them as it is to any M/F....>>

Hmmm. CDers with no TG desires would be gay, and Ts's are straight? For those of us inbetween CD and TS? I don't know.

[kristinacd55]

Thanks girls for all your comments. I did not really think this would go this far. I have had my second date with the man I spoke of in this thread. It was a wonderful feeling to be treated as a woman. After our date, and him taking me home, standing at the front door I asked him if he would like to come in for a nitecap. He put his arms around me and gave me a toe curling kiss (threw me for a loop) and said he would love to, but he could not because if he did he would want to make love to me, but did not know how. After he said that I did not know what to say. Part of me wanted to tell him "I will teach you." He just said I'll call you in the morning and then left. I will have to admit it was a wonderful date. Deep down I want him.
Love Ya'll
Brandy
Good for you Brandy, Hope it works out. It sounds like he's a great guy. :)

[JulieK1980]

Being bisexual myself, I had to put my two cents in.. I think its important to realize that Crossdressing or being transgender is a completely different facet than sexuality. Although, when I'm with a man I do tend to prefer to be dressed as a woman, its still two seperate things. My crossdressing isn't defining of my bisexuality, but it definitely adds to it. There are so many different aspects to this, its mind boggling to try to understand.

So to answer, yes I like to be with a man, although being married, dating in the traditional sense is out.:)

[Joni T]

I 've never dated a man but if one were to come on to me I think I'd run with it, at least for a little while, just to experience it. I find that sometimes when I'm out and dressed I notice men waaaaaay more often than when not dressed. Another reason I might date a man is that I have this fantasy about being a real woman (don't we all?) and I'd like to experience some of the sexual intimacy that goes with it.

[ColleenShivas]

When I am dressed I feel no attraction to men, and women are at least as interesting as when I am in male mode, so I guess that my femme self is lesbian.

Actually I believe that that there are two separate parts to this - first, how do we wish to express ourselves on the female-male spectrum, and second, who are we attracted to as sexual partners. I feel about the middle on the first and definitely heterosexual male or lesbian on the second.

[Emily01]

i've sometimes thought it would be lovely to be treated like the woman i am on the inside by a handsome and amusing gentleman. maybe a night of fine dining and dancing and perhaps some flirting. yeah, i've thought of that and found it a nice thought. i've even had a physical response to the idea, but then i think of lots of things ......but i'm not what i think - otherwise i'd also be a bankrobber, rock-n-roll star, brain surgeon, and rocket scientist. :)

[Chris Corbett]

I agree with Charlie. A good looking CD (the not so good looking ones don't do it for me) especially in a short skirt gives me the same reaction as a good looking woman. I have only acted on it once and it was fun.

[tricia_uktv]

Yes, often, and there's nothing as good as being rtreated like a woman. We're all bisexual really, thats my theory

[CrossJess]

Uhhhhhhh ........... No. Nope. Never.

Boys are yucky, LOL



LOL I beg to differ lol :battingeyelashes: I love boys!, I thought I swung both ways but since CDing I lean towards the boys, My BF is bi and said I give him the best of both worlds as he prefers crossdressing gay men, lol CDing has it rewards :daydreaming: he's sooo cute!!

Since Cding I've become really girly now lol spend most of the time prancing around like a girly now! :hugs: and why not, I've spent many of years kidding myself and trying to cover it all up....now I just don't care anymore I am who I am :)

[Hali]

Yes, often, and there's nothing as good as being rtreated like a woman. We're all bisexual really, thats my theory

Yeah....yeah i think u might be right

[Tracii G]

I agree too. Bi sexuality is the best of both worlds.

[Lorileah]

They say being Bisexual doubles your chance for a date :)

For some of us dressing increases that chance 100%

[MissConstrued]

They say being Bisexual doubles your chance for a date :)

For some of us dressing increases that chance 100%


Same thing for having multiple personalities. We never go home alone! :devil:

[Becca_Ia]

I've considered myself a crossdresser for quite a few years, always wanting to be feminine and pretty. The urge to date other CD'ers and select men is a fairly strong urge that I may submit to.

As far as when I'm not "en femme" I never used to consider other men, but as of late have noticed them. If that makes me bi OR gay, I'll have to live with it.

[karina68]

Ok I'm not attracted to men , but i am to other Cder's and have been with another Cder while en-femme. So does that make me a lesbian? I'm married to a great girl and have children but am attracted to Cder's while they are in female mode. Go figure cause i can't figure it out

[jarp]

To be honest I would have to say yes I would, but then you have to understand that I am really a woman stuck in this ugly mans body.
So it is natural for me to want a man. Being married is the tough part!
Before anyone asks, yes I would go all the way and have the operation, but love my wife and will have to be happy as a CD.
I make an ugly girl, but I am still a girl...WOOT
:tongueout

I would have to say that I agree with all of this except perhaps the part about getting the operation. I would definately date a man as I too feel that I am a woman stuck in a man's body. When I am dressed I feel "complete" if that makes any sense and I am definately bisexual so dating a man would also be quite natural for me.

[Christinedreamer]

Even though as well all know, most of us are straight and interested in GGs only, do any of you date straight but accepting guys just for the experioence and companionship with no "after dinner favors" involved except may a kiss?

[carolinoakland]

eh, I'm getting there. I've gotten to the place of realizing that as a woman, men like to talk to me. And I do love talking, and I know what it means now. Just because I talk to you or do anything with you doesn't mean physical attraction. And by eh I mean that's how I feel about sex these days, eh. If I"m attracted and they're attracted then, eh, lets see what happens. But no means no for sure. Carol

[Emily Anderson]

I don't really discriminate between guys and girls, other than I expect respect from both genders, and/or somewhere in between.

[Nigella]

In a nut shell NO...


... I do want to add more but discretion is the better part of valour. :Angry3:

[Gabrielle Hermosa]

I'm married, very happily, and hope and pray I never find myself in a dating situation ever again.

If I was not married or for whatever reason found myself single again - I would not be interested in dating a man at all.

If/when I was at the point where I was comfortable going out in public en femme and I had a male friend who knew about my cding, I might actually venture out with him, BUT that would be the exact same as if I was in guy-mode. Not a really a date, but rather just getting together with a buddy who had no interest in me aside from our mutual friendship. That is probably the closest I'd ever get to your initial question, but again, I don't consider that a date.

So I'm 100% straight, not even curious about being intimate with a man in any way, shape, or form, and would not be interested in dating a man regardless of whether or not a kiss on the cheek is involved.

For crossdressers and tgirls who do date men, good for them. :) I am 100% in favor of people being happy in whatever kind of relationship works for them. So long as no one is trying to pass themselves off as a gg in any kind of deceptive way - I mean, if the man knows who he is dating, then all is well in my book.

[MaryAnn40c]

When dressed as a women I do look at men more.I am Bi but I have only been with a man when dressed. Being treated as a women makes one feel good. I have ended up spending the night with a man and the fun was outstanding. We just hit it off and that helps out a lot.:eek:

[xAnne_Mariex]

Although i'm straight and very much attracted to women, there is part of me that wants to experiment with guys too.

These feelings sometimes come out more when i'm dressed up, but I do think about it other times too. I'm just very curious and want to experiment a little bit whilst i'm young and single.

With that being said, I wouldn't ever date a guy, it would just be a sexual thing.

[Brandy Michelle]

Hi Girls/Gurls: Sorry for not posting anything for awhile. Had a business trip for two weeks I had to go on. WOW, there are some great information here. I thank each one of you for your reply. When I got back from my business trip, my man (I guess I can call him that) called me and asked me out. So Friday night we went out again. This makes the third date. I told myself that "tonight is going to be the night." I was going to ask him to spend the night with me. So he picked me up and we went to dinner and dancing and just sat around talking. Each time I had to go to the "ladies room" he stood up until I left the table and stood up again when I came back. A real gentleman. On our final dance for the night, while he was holding me close to him I ask him if he would consider spending the night with me. To my suprise he informed me he would love to. I told him "let's go" even before the music had stopped. We held hands all the way home. When we got to the front door I unlocked the door and he pulled me to him and asked "are you sure you want me to spend the night." I kissed him deeply and said I am sure. I had already made up my mind. I really do not want to go into all the details of our night, but I will say it was FUN. He treated me with the most respect a girl could ever receive. After our fun we slept in each others arms. I just love being a girl :battingeyelashes:and I now can say I also love men (or at least my man). Love all ya'll for your reply.
Brandy Michelle

[Lisa Golightly]

Awwwwwwwwwww... That's so sweet :)

[Robyn7778]

For years I classified myself as "bi-curious." Clearly, I felt that my attraction to CDing -- and the bit of dabbling that I did -- was part of the "bi-curiosity." And I did do a bit of experimenting. Now I have come to terms with the fact that I am most definitely bi-sexual. I am attracted to both men and women. Not all men mind you -- too many men just have know clue how to keep themselves presentable! LOL But yes, I am attracted to men.

I am still VERY MUCH attracted to women. I love women. It's one reason I want to emulate them I suppose. But when I dress, I tend to find myself wanting the attention of a man or another CD, not the attention of a woman.

So yes, I would love the experience of being taken out on a date! I think it would be fun!

[nicoletta_cd]

two years ago i would have been one of the posters to say - no way, 100% straight. now, when i am dressed or surfing the net, i am really leaning towards wanting to try a date with a guy. i think it is the allure of being in the women's role and taking it one step further than just dressing. next year, i may answer about the dates that i have been on if this feeling keeps moving, lol.

[GnuHu]

The idea of being with someone who liked the real me is pretty appealing, since the women I've been with needed to block it out.

[Sherry]

Always wanted a man to come round for a meal,wine,soft lights,cuddle, listen to music in his arms, maybe smooch and snog and who knows where I would be prepared to go.
Long time fantasy never fulfilled only ever been kissed by a man twice and even been in bed once when I was younger, but never went all the way. Sigh I wonder if it would have been as wonderful as I imagine.

dreamy times
Sherry

[Want to be Lisa]

In the past when I have dressed I thought about being with a man. I'm not really attracted to them, but I would love to be treated as a woman and who knows what would happen from there.

[JakobeMeredith]

I have found that I want to be with a man more and more often. I'm married, and have kids. But everything I dress as Meredith I want to be held, by a man. It has gotten to the point I can't have relations with my wife because it just won't perform. It takes me switching rolls in my mind for me to perform for my wife. So yes if I could be with a man I would.

[Rosaliy Lynne]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha



[Ok Samantha we gotta stop meeting like this, lol.
This is like the 3rd random post I replied to right under you, LOL]

I don't think you strayed at all.

I also think that you are more correct than many would care to admit.

Hi Doris. Let me say that you are very lovely. While I used to consider myself essentially straight, I am not quite so straight in reality. I am attracted to women really, but a lovely CD, and I have met more than a few, can also turn my head.

I did go out with a fellow CD once. He was in town for business. There was no sex but Dinner, and the social aspects, was a great fun experience. I haven't seen him since and probably would not see him again anyway but we did enjoy very good conversations.

I do love being out with the girls and it doesn't matter if the girl I am out with is a guy underneath. For me it is all about being me and having fun. Anything else ...

Well who knows.

awrite Rikki!!! You go girl !!

I like the way you look Jayme as well as the way you think.

I am who I am and I make no apology. Since I have come out of the proverbial closet, I do my best to be the best woman I can. Except for work of course, I am always en femme. Guys don't turn me on all that much really, but under the right circumstances I would not rule them out. I prefer women. And, as I have said elswhere in this thread, a good looking CD en femme can also turn my head. I suppose that makes me bi and to be perfectly honest, it doesn't matter.

[countrygirl]

As a guy I am gay so yes even dressed I would date a guy.

[Rosaliy Lynne]

look me up if you get to vegas. I'll do the same if I get to Iowa


I dont think i could date a man in male cloths but i could go for a crossdresser I think it is becouse thay are showing there fem side is that crazzy

and I don't think it is at all crazy.

Don't be so quick to put yourself down. We are our own worst critics. Who is to say if someone might not find you attractive just the way you are? That being said, someone may well ask you out. Never say never.

[StaceyJane]

Sometimes I do wonder what it would be like to be with a guy but only with me being a woman.

[Rosaliy Lynne]

I wish I could be more definative in my response to this question and say a very +ve no. I class myself as hetrosexual and am not particularly taken by homosexuals of homosexuality but having thought this through, I could envisage dating a man if he was nice and treated me like a lady. For me I don't think it would be atraction to him but the experience of being wined and dined, romanced etc, treated like I like to treat a Lady. but then again perhaps this would be playing with fire.

To be accepted and treated as the lady I am is a great turn on and has nothing whatever to do with sex. I thrill every time I am called maam, or lady. It validates my presentation. Hell I turn me on when I see my reflection in the mirror. I love the woman I am (even though not female born). It is right for me to be this lovely caring person. I don't pass by a long shot but I do well enough to blend in most of the time.


Saying, "you're just impersonating one," is incredibly insensitive. Actually, it's incredibly offensive and insulting to every TS on this board, and to any of us that have the unfortunate fate of being stuck in the middle of the gender identity equation.

TG's are people that were born with a brain that was wired one way, and a body that was built the other. You are what your brain tells you you are. You can change your body, but you can't rewire your brain. And if you could, you'd no longer be yourself - in essence, you'd be dying in a fashion.

A M2F TS isn't impersonating a woman, she's a woman that got stuck in the wrong chassis. Me? I don't know what the heck i am.

Just don't tell me i'm "impersonating" anything.

I don't really like labels. They are far too limiting in scope. As for impersonation. I am always impersonating a lady. ME.


hey all,

SO, today the plots "thickens" ! There is a man who has been paying attention to me a lot in the last couple of months. Today he asked me out for Sunday. He has to check work schedule, but assuming all is well, I'm going to be taken out to dinner on Sunday night. Dressed is the idea, so soon I will not be able to say that I have not gone out with a man dressed (or for that matter, at all).

Ok, wish me luck, because it is more than a bit scary. He is nice, polite and hasn't yet acted like the usual "admirer's". We are going out in his town (north of me by a bit) and he said any restaurant I wanted. I mentioned that in good light I may not pass so well.... he said he would be happy to have me on his arm in any light !

I will report back, not sure if I should do it here or create a new thread ( do not want to hijake this one ). BUT the useful part is that I will be able to answer somethings asked at the begining of this thread, in a way that I could not before.

Charlene

I wish you all the best of luck, Charlene. And remember that whatever else happens, YOU do have a choice and control. Be safe above all else and have a safety net available. Someone to check on you at some opportune moment to make sure you are safe. Better to have that than to need it and not have it.

I think you are in the same boat I'm in - perhaps. Other CD's who are attractive as women turn me on every bit as much as a genetic woman.

[Tonya-Anne]

I love dating men, It is very comforting to be in public with a man. Not only does it make me feel so much more feminine when he opens doors and holds my hand, but I also think that people will read me less if I am with a guy. Another guy will stare less if he thinks he is staring at another mans girl. Maybe its not always the case, but it does make me feel more secure.

[jennifer3169]

i am married and straight or i think i am but just like you when i am dressed i wish to be with a man and not just a date i mean all the way but when i am not jennifer i cant even look at a man in that way maybe i just crazy

[ladybirdloves]

In fantasy I would like to be seduced by a male but cant see me ever doing this in reality.

[beckyturner]

i am straight as a man but when dressed find it flattering when men come on to me, once you relax a kiss and cuddle and a little more is a real turn on as you feel like a woman.

[RobynP]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here who wants to date a man want to do it in guy-mode; that is, make it a gay date? If not, why not? Do your clothes make that much of a difference?

Robyn P.

[Want to be Lisa]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here who wants to date a man want to do it in guy-mode; that is, make it a gay date? If not, why not? Do your clothes make that much of a difference?

Robyn P.

That's easy for me to answer. It would be NO. I'm not attracted to men as a man. But when I'm feeling like I'm Lisa, then yes I could. For me the clothes do make a difference. It's almost as if I'm actually two different people.

[Tasha McIntyre]

No, never even crossed my mind. I admire and adore women way too much (asp my wife).

[Kate Simmons]

Judging from many of the comments, people seem surprised about this type of attraction. If one "plays the role", the resulting feelings are a natural consequence of the effect whether acted upon or not. If we deny this, we are just fooling ourselves and no one else really.:)

[Jess_cd32]

...........If/when I was at the point where I was comfortable going out in public en femme and I had a male friend who knew about my cding, I might actually venture out with him, BUT that would be the exact same as if I was in guy-mode. Not really a date, but rather just getting together with a buddy who had no interest in me aside from our mutual friendship. That is probably the closest I'd ever get to your initial question, but again, I don't consider that a date.........

If my friends were cool with my cd'ing I might also consider that if I had my look down 100% and was single. Don't think I'd have to worry about being picked on though as most of my friends are former bouncers or bikers. I would probably only do it though on something like Halloween.