Here's a New Topic - Testosterone, Investing, and Crossdressing

[Staci]

Testosterone, Investing Risk, and Crossdressing. What do these have in common? I heard on the news this morning that there was a study done to determine what the indicators are for the most successful Wall Street investment types. Turns out that if you are a male and your ring finger is longer than your pointer finger you are in this category. They said the ring finger is longer than the pointer because the person was in the womb longer and received more testosterone than most males. So, this causes them to be willing to take more risks and makes them more successful on Wall Street. It got me to thinking, my ring finger is 1/2 inch longer than my pointer so I must have more testosterone. If that is true, why do I love to dress like a female and feel like a girl???? How many of you are in the same boat with the ring finger longer than your pointer? Maybe we should get together and start our own Crossdressing Wall Street investment firm. Wouldn't that knock their socks off,----I mean their nylons.:heehee::heehee:

[Leanne2]

Same here. My ring finger is about 1/2 inch longer than my pointer. So much for that theory.

[curse within]

My ring finger is about a 1/2 inch longer as well. ... I remember reading somewhere I am not sure but it was on line about why some men crossdress and it was odd to my finding they did point out that ,some Doctors believed that it was excessive amount of Testostrone.. I can not tell you where I read that at or remember who wrote it but I found it very interesting.

[Tracii G]

I think the ring finger being longer is the norm.JMO

[Karren H]

My ring finger and my pointing finger are the came length... Another aspect I con't pass at... sigh....

But I made a killing in the market last year....

[curse within]

My ring finger and my pointing finger are the came length... Another aspect I con't pass at... sigh....

But I made a killing in the market last year....

Made a killing at the market ??? Prolly cause you have either two pointing fingers or ring fingers on the same hand??

[Schatten Lupus]

I was born a month late, and one one hand the fingers are the same lenght, and the other my ring finger is slightly longer than the pointer.

[queenie]

Having the ring finger longer than the index finger is the norm for males. I was born about a month premature and my ring finger is longer than my index on both hands. There goes that theory!

[Rochelle Exploration]

Another one here, ring finger is a half inch longer than the index (pointer) finger. I guess the risk taking could explain our willingness to try and live our lives as we see fit and not necessarily society. And you know the investing thing could be really good for our shopping gene...lol

[trannie T]

Can we get a copy of Bernie Madoff's fingerprints?

[Jo-Michelle]

I think we should do a study on these studies:doh: I've heard many supposed indicators over the years. My ring finger and middle finger are the same length. Whats that mean?:devil:

[Satrana]

The ring finger theory was already debunked by science. It is not true. Your bone structure is determined by your DNA and growth hormones. What possible reason would elevated testosterone levels result in one finger being magically extended? Our world is full of silly urban myths.

And if testosterone was linked to financial success then there would be NO successful female investors/financiers at all.

Time to move on, nothing to see here...

[Jess_cd32]

I don't buy into this really as a former trader, if you want to beat Wall Street learn the game well and play without fear, fear will make you loose almost every time. If you play because of your ring finger length, the sharks will be waiting to take your cash:heehee:
This was one of my lines of work for years, not a real healthy profession I can tell you.

[Sarah...]

The study actually concluded that the finger length marker had only a 20% impact on the outcomes you mention. It's not the finger length that has an impact - that's just a marker. It's a statistical link. Finger length is determined by a number of factors. Subsequent personality by a huge number of factors. Yes, there's a statistical link. No, you shouldn't assess yourself on that basis!

Sarah...

[missizzy]

Uh, no idea about my fingers, but I've done few test on this site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml).


Fingers
We asked you to measure your ring and index fingers. Your ratios came to:
Right Hand: 0.96
Left Hand: 0.97
Average ratio for men: 0.982
Average ratio for women: 0.991
It's thought that your ratio is governed by the amount of testosterone you were
exposed to in your mother's womb. The ratio of the length of your index finger to the
length of your ring finger is set for life by as early as three months after conception.
Even during puberty, when we experience intensive hormonal changes, the ratio
stays the same.
Men generally have a ring finger that is longer than their index finger, which gives
thema lower ratio than women, whose ring and index fingers are usually of equal
length.
Studies have found that men and women with lots of brothers generally have more
masculine finger ratios. Find out what other things scientists think our ratios may tell
us.

[pauline11]

Well I just read your interesting little thread and I am quite happy to report that my ring finger is most definetely Shorter , But having said that I agree I think , Yes , you should get togeather and blow their nylons off , But wouldn't it be interesting to undress some of these powerfull men on wall street and the like and see what they are allready wearing under their outer garments , ha I bet a few allready are wearing nylons and satin knickers , cruel really I guess but then they usually are the people that spend the time putting us down publicly x x x

[deja true]

Hmmm!

My Middle finger is much longer than any other!

I'm gonna take it down to Wall Street and show it to everybody and see what they have to say...

:D

[Stephanie Stephens]

I am with you Deja. And my ring finger is shorter than my index finger.

[Hali]

All these theories...........are u people serious about them?

OK may be a certain percentage of pple conform to that theory but wat percentage are we talking about? Wen the stock market was booming here in my country pple were investing and making/losing money regardless of their finger length................are u pple serious about the theory.............seriously serious?????

[LisaElizabeth]

Well, mine are longer than my index.... Maybe that is why I took the chance and started my own business!! Who knows?
If it's an indicator, it shows that is why my brother started a business too!!
Just shows to go ya! some people take a chance...... some don't!
Lisa E

[JoAnne Wheeler]

My POINTER finger is longer than my RING finger ! Does this mean that I am more feminine ?
JoAnne Wheeler

[kristinacd55]

My ring finger's longer & I lose JUST AS MUCH money as everyone else so does that qualify???

[Terra_Branford]

This sounds like pure voodoo science to me. I was actually a couple of weeks late being born, but it turns out that I have a testosterone deficiency. It does sound like exactly the sort of thing the average Wall Street investor would love to believe, though.

[Joanboy2001]

My index finger is shorter on each hand by about 1/4 inch. I was delivered three weeks late. I also had a big loss in the market in 08.

[Robertacd]

My ring fingers are slightly longer than my pointer fingers. I also have recently had lab's done at the doctors and my testosterone levels are normal.

[Elizabeth Ann]

There was a long article on page 2 of Tuesday's Washington Post about this study. It is being published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, a respected and refereed journal, so I am inclined to think there is something to it.

Go to the Washington Post web site and search for Traders and Fingers and you can read it yourself.

It says nothing about the length of time in the womb, and is a more subtle proposition than presented in this thread. The first three paragraphs of the article:


In addition to subprime mortgages, credit default swaps and lax government oversight, another factor may need to be added to the list of culprits responsible for the economic meltdown: testosterone.

A new study has found that men who were programmed in the womb to be the most responsive to testosterone tend to be the most successful financial traders, providing powerful support for the influence of the hormone over their decision-making.

"Testosterone is the hormone of irrational exuberance," said Aldo Rustichini, a professor of economics at the University of Minnesota who helped conduct the study, being published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. "The bubble preceding the current crash may have been due to euphoria related to high levels of testosterone, or high sensitivity to it."

Basically, the article says that:

1. men who are more aggressive and risk taking appear to earn more (and presumably lose more) in volatile financial markets. And,
2. this behavior is correlated with increased levels of and sensitivity to testosterone. And,
3. this is correlated to levels of exposure to testosterone in the womb. And,
4. "Those exposed to higher levels of testosterone in the womb tend to have relatively longer ring fingers."

I think it is an interesting study, and possibly consistent with those on this forum who want to believe that their cross dressing was established by hormones in the womb (which I am personally still a bit dubious about, but maybe there is something to it).

Liz

[Cassia-Marie]

I don't really buy into the theory, either, but I did learn something new today... I measured my fingers from knuckle to tip and on my left hand my ring finger is exactly the same length as my index finger. On my right hand, however, my ring finger is 3/8" longer.

Oh, and I'm left-handed. Sort of... For most things (eating, writing, or anything that requires greater detail work) I'm left-handed. When throwing a ball, playing the guitar, scratching, etc. I'm right-handed. As a co-worker once commented, "Oh! I didn't know you were bi!" I think she meant "ambidextrous." At least I hope so!

[Lisa Catherine]

My ring fingers on both hands are about 1/4 inch longer than my index. I dumped my stocks, and I'm now invested in CD'S!:heehee:

[docrobbysherry]

Relating the size of your hands to your unit? Or your height?:straightface:

I remember when the length of your middle finger, or width of your hand, was supposed to match your unit length! Don't recall if that was firm or flacid!?:devil:

And the one about foot size indicating how tall u will be, grown up? My daughters and ex all have the same shoe size. And they r:
5' 4"
5' 1"
5' 3 1/2", ( and still growing).

Heard the measurement of your elbow to wrist was another indicator of height. :brolleyes:

I think u mite as well believe in Astrology as any of these indicators! At best, they may be correct 50% of the time!?:heehee:

Hey Deja! I've got a GREAT deal on some desert land here in Cal. u middle finger, hi testoterone guys mite make a KILLING ON!:tongueout

[jackie_p]

For what it's worth, my pointer and ring fingers are about the same length, but you have to be very careful about the measurement to be sure.

As for other measures, there are some standard proportionalities to the human figure. The length of your arm from elbow to wrist is roughly the same as your foot size. Also, measure the distance from tip of finger on your left hand to tip of finger on your right with your arms outstretched. That is roughly your height. The last one that I know about is the distance from tip of your thumb to tip of your little finger with the fingers outstretched is roughly the size of your face from chin to hairline! Weird!

I wish the width of hand to length of member were true by the way! LOL

Jackie

[anonymousinmaryland]

My ring fingers are longer than my pointers. I don't have any stocks; and once I get the pantyhose on, I don't want to take them off! :) AIM.

[jazmine]

Great!! Just Great....I guess a have more testosterone in me than I thought I had.

[Staci]

You girls crack me up. First, I had no idea there was so much knowledge out there on this topic. Second, I think it was Lisa Catherine that said "I think I'll invest in CD's." I laughed outloud. I think I'll go with CD's too. Also, with the information from the Washington Post article it never ceases to amaze me about how a 6:00pm TV news and morning news will take short pieces of the truth and string them together to say what they want it to. Love the responses.

[Kelly Greene]

My ring finger is longer than my pointer finger but I came out 6 wks early so i had less time womb and I can barely understand my 401k so i dont think I this model.

[Satrana]

Three: Shame on you Satrana for your faulty logic!
No faulty logic was used on my part, I was just matching an absurd idea with an absurd conclusion. Logical right?:battingeyelashes:


The ring finger idea is (a) only an indicator, not a predictor It is not even an indicator as the wide statistical variance means it is not possible to conclude any relationship exists unless you squint your eyes tightly. This idea is a bedfellow of all the other myths that exist about body parts such as linking the size of a man's nose to his genitals.

And everyone should be aware that the same ring finger theory is also used as an "indicator" of homosexuality because it is believed sensitivity to androgens in the womb increases the rates of homosexuality. So absurd notion #2 - all those successful financial wizards are gay too!

The only indicator this finger idea shows is people's willingness to believe that measuring body parts shows what type of person they are.

And if you want to learn more about it, these ideas come from pareidolia - our brain's methodolgy to understand the world around us by identifying patterns and linkages even when they do not exist. This can be measured by using the inkblot tests where people project images into random inkblots. Other examples include images seen in clouds and hearing messages in songs being played in reverse.

[linnea]

my ring finger is longer than my pointer finger; I don't really put much stock (no pun intended) in this theory, and when it comes to Wall Street these days, neither of those fingers is the one I would use for the big board of investment.

[Emily01]

well i dress better than any of those investment bankers "invest".......shall i show them my middle finger? lol