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Hey I just want to see like what you all think/if you agree with this statement:
The difference between CD and TS [mtf] is that the CD wishes to APPEAR female, while the TS feels that they should BE female?
Also, if you're up for it, let me know why you agree/disagree. I am very interested in what everyone feels about this.
I suppose I agree with the statement for what it's worth! I, myself have always wanted to be female! Does that mean I'm TS????????????????! Hugs!
This is one of those, yes but no but yes questions which arise quite often and there are slightly different views on it but most will say that all fall under the TG heading to one degree or another from cross dressing right up to TS, but (always that but):heehee: i personally think that there are grey areas as transgender means that there is a gender issue in it whereas you can enjoy wearing feminine clothes ( cross dressing) without having any gender issues and the TS is a bit different again but that is out of my depth so i will leave that to the more knowledgeable to explain that .
Whoops!! I totally meant to say CD vs TS. Sorry for that mix up, I'm going to go back and edit real fasttttQuote:
Originally Posted by Joanne f
I only know how I feel and do not want to assume anything regarding anyone else. My own view is that the difference between being TS and the rest of us is the absolute need to be a woman, and as soon as possible. I consider myself to be transgender, by that I mean I would love to be a woman, but the realities of life have made that impossible at least for now, and I can live with that. Cross dressing is what I do, it is not who I am.
:D Now that has got me :heehee: should i do what i never do and delete my post :doh:, i think you may have the " should be" a little wrong and replace it with " they are female" .
I totally agree with Mary. I too, would love to be a woman, even if just for a day or two, but since that's impossible, I crossdress. I don't feel the need to be a woman, I just feel the need to dress like one and feel as much like one as I can.
A crossdresser (CD) is a person, either male or female, who likes to wear the clothing of the opposite sex. There may be other reasons involved, but basicly it is simply a desire to wear the clothing. A Transexusal (TS) is a person, again either male or female, who prefers to feel themselves being a different sex than that which they were born. Thus they will dress and act like the opposite sex! There are people on this Forum who fit into both categories, because if you are a TS you are most likely also a CD.
However, I believe the majority of CD's are not TS! I am simply a CD, because I like to wear feminine clothing. But I have no desire whatsoever to be a woman!! When my late wife fixed my wig and did my makeup so I could become Stephanie, I really did fit the part. But I always knew that I was still a man underneath!! That has always suited me fine!
CD's do want to appear female, without making actual physical changes. TS feel that they've been born in the wrong body and take steps to transition into the correct sex, be it hormones or surgery. :)
i disagree , a cd wishes to appear female but a tg or correctly a ts knows they are ! female .
I think Kristina has made the most accurate statement. Also, some pre op TS's stay that way for whatever reason. The ones that go ahead with the surgery hate their male organ and can never feel complete until it is gone.
I first want to say I am sorry and that I would never want to hurt anyone of the beautiful ladies on this forms feelings. This is just the way my mind has worked for years.
To me the term CD makes me think of an old bald headed guy who is hairy all over putting on a pair of panties and a bra with a pair of heels that he has run over because he can't walk in them. Again no disrespect to anyone here as I think we each have out own vision as to what each term means.
I will add transvestite here which is what I feel most of us here are. Someone who works to be as fem as possible within the limits they have to live with. Be that family, work, or even things they do for pleasure such as some sports that might limit them on how far they can go to be fem. It is more then just putting on the clothes of the other sex to them, it is the feelings, the pleasure they get from beinng able to be pretty.
Then the TS of course is the ones who feel they should have been born the other sex and do everything they can to become the other sex.
Now to me the term TG covers all the above as well as some others.
Again I want to keep saying I mean no disrespect to the ladies here, this is just he image I have of each of the terms, and this image comes from what I have seen and read as I grew up and the photos that were with the stories I was reading.
There are as many variations in the TG world as there are people and I don't think the labels are very useful. For convenience I call myself a crossdresser. Physically I am male and always present myself as such and am OK with that, but I prefer to wear clothes from the female side of the aisle. No great wish to appear female.
I've always felt that the term "transgender" was an umbrella term that included everyone from casual crossdressers to full blown transexuals. We all exist in the transgender spectrum along a bell curve somewhere. There is no one set line that seperates CD people from TG or TS people. Rather, there is a whole lot of gray area in between. I'm a crossdresser. I'm not transexual. However, I wish I was female. I am not going to transition and have surgery to make that happen, though. But I'm something more than simply a crossdresser. So I exist in that gray area between crossdresser and transexual.
In medical parlance, I'm non-op ts;
In reality, I'm a birl - www.birl.org !
:)
A second bit of advice! A Transvestite is a person who wears the clothing of the opposite sex in order to have sex as a person of that sex!! I don't think that is a proper description of most people on this forum!
And those CD's who wish they were female would really fit into the TS mode!! Dressing, and maybe acting, like a female is one thing, but really wanting to be one is something else entirely!! As I said earlier, I dress in female clothes a lot. But I have no desire to ever actually be a female!! That is the definition of a true crossdresser!!
I have been a CD for longer than many of you have been alive! And as a lifetime dedicated scholar, I have studied crossdressing and all its varieties for many years. Granted there are many different thoughts on what certain varieties of crossdressers are, but in general the medical definitions are the same worldwide. Those are what I have given on this thread!!
They are user definable labels... Labels which I hate.. Trys to shove you into a category so people can understand you.... And/or judge you... Personally I'd rather be know for who I am.. Not what I do..
Has it been a month already? This whole thing has been hashed and rehashed and over cooked for the life of this whole site.
We are what we are. The really only definitive definition is a transsexual is a person who is the incorrect gender physically to what they are mentally or spiritually. They may or not ever have surgery or they may have some surgery but not total.
We all have our images of what a crossdresser looks like or a transvestite or a duck or a flying purple people eater. We have argued and debated and thrown things about this issue over and over and really all that gets settled is there is no one answer. Personally I like transgender because it allows flow from one thing to another and doesn't pigeon hole anyone. Now I know there are some here who will argue that point and say that TG means the same as TS. Good for you you. Potato/patato. I still say Starbucks has the answer; I am a half gender, non-op, slightly gender confused, irregular, tall, slightly sweet, no caf, decaf, person with whipped cream and sprinkles....to go
I am gratified to see that someone besides me thinks that threads on the subject of labels serve no useful purpose.
Hm, let me think.................Oh wow, I got it! Oh no, the feeling has fled, what was I say'n.................
[SIZE="3"]Truly the only constant, non divisible, fundamental nucleus of whole transgender theme is: (aether or and in any combination there of) the want, identification, indulgence, identity, of an experience, temporary or permanent of the opposite gender's realm.[/SIZE]
Crossdressers wear womens clothes for many reasons. Some out, some not. Some dress fully, some underdress continuously. Most are heterosexual. A few are gay or bisexual. Very very few decide to change their gender. Transgenderism is not even close. Transgenderism is the feeling you were born in the wrong body, a feeling strong enough to cause people to undergo years of therapy, hormones, and multiple surgeries to physically change themselves into what they truely believe they are. Clothing only comes into the picture as a reflection of this, not as an end in itself. **Dressing in itself is not the goal**. Apples and Oranges. Both fruit, but from different trees. And I like both apples and oranges. In a free society, everyone should be given the right to choose how they live their lives. Peace, love, and respect and to each their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by katty
There are many different flavours of CD, but I think that part of your statement would probably hold true for the identity CDs that I know - that is people who tell me that they cross-dress to express a female aspect to their character. When those CD's dress, they do indeed wish to appear as females.Quote:
Originally Posted by katty
I think others have already said it, but MtF transsexuals do not "wish to be female", neither do we "feel that we should be female". We are female but have the wrong bits between our legs.
It is interesting (to me) that whilst I was recently conversing with a GG friend who had known me in my past life, she told me that she doesn't understand men who want to wear women's clothes - and then added "that doesn't include you, Rianna because you were never a man!". If the occasion arises, I will try to help her to understand about why some people cross-dress.
I'm sorry, Stephanie, you are way off base with this idea! I have met and discussed with many cross-dressers who occasionally wish that they were female, but not one of them is transsexual. A transsexual does not "wish that they were female" (or male in the case of our FtM brethren). In fact many of us would give our right arms not to know that we are female but with the wrong body parts. Neither Hormone Therapy nor Gender Confirmation Surgery can make someone a woman, we already are women and the medical procedures are needed to align our body with our gender.Quote:
Originally Posted by sissystephanie
Medical science continuously advances on many fronts. When that happens, the definitions evolve. Your definition of Transvestite is not currently generally accepted in those countries of Western Europe where I can understand the medical texts (i.e. those countries who publish either in French or in English).Quote:
Originally Posted by sissystephanie
Whilst your definition of TS might have been held by some in the medical community back in the days when they wrongly classed it as a mental disease or defect, those practitioners who still stick to the mental defect idea are now generally regarded as cranks.
I would agree that is a good simple definition
I dunno Hon. I feel who are who we are as a person regardless of the "tag" we are given or accept.:)
If I were not a male, then I would want to be a female. Third, I would want to be a dog! I do not think I would want to be transformed into a woman. I realize there is medical science that indicates some people are born into a physical body different than their mind.
From what I've read on this site, there are many of you who are cross-dressing with limited desires, while others are extensively into cross-dressing. A panty or hosiery fetish v. full dressing with wigs and makeup.
I cross-dress because it provides relief from the stresses foisted on me because I am a male. Now, I realize I pick and choose the things I want to do dressed en femme. I don't know if I can state I have a feminine side I want to express. I tried that line on my wife, when I first tried to explain my desire to cross-dress. She threw it back in my face and told me that was BS, and, to come back when I went through child birth. She had a point!
I'll go along with Karen. I am who I am! I'm a package deal!