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This is mainly directed towards CD's who do the whole "nine yards" with wigs, clothes and makeup and who go out and intermingle. What, according to your opinion and your perception, would be the ultimate feminine experience for you to have and why do you say this? Remember, it's a feminine experience according to your perception, it doesn't necessarily mean it's how FAB folks really feel. I'm mostly interested in what you feel would be an ultimate feminuine experience and why.:)
The ultimate feminine experience for me would be being the bride in a wedding and wearing a wedding dress and experencing pregnancy (sorry to anybody that I have offended).
The ultimate feminine experiance for me was the one i came so close to having last week with Sheila, but i backed down from because i didn't feel ready just yet. :sad:
We had planned to go to an Italian resturant, with me fully dressed like this Attachment 90697
Sheila was also going to dress to the "nines" as well and we were going to have a meal out together as Sheila and Debs.
Definitely the wedding - the dress, the party, the nuptials...
And please TG girls here don't take offense at this, but I would love to go out on a "girls night out", with FAB's. Where they accept me as one of their own. This would be great.
-Tracy
Bikini waxing :eek:
I agree with countrygirl. We as CDers get to experience the external world of femininity all of the time. But to me, the utlimate feminine experience would be to go through the (sometimes) scary, fullfilling, wonderful & painful process of pregnancy, knowing I am giving life/birth to a "little being" inside me.Quote:
Originally Posted by countrygirl
Having a make-over done by a GG at a department store make-up counter in full public view.
I've done just about everything else in public so far including having wigs fitted, but this is one hurdle I'm still working at overcoming.
Leslie, honey, just do it. You'll love it.
Hugs...Joni Mari
Oh Tracy, too bad you don't live a little closer, I could help you have this experience almost right away, what about the next Saturday night...? We do it all the time because we have picked up so many GG friends during our outings that we are usually joined very quickly by those who already know us and also by new "curious" GG's.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSchapes
Besides, it is so easy to make GG friends, in stores among the staff, in your favorite coffee shop, among the girls behind the counter, your seamstress... and I could go on and on... Just talk to them and you'll make instant (girl) friends... even, and especially, on the dance floor while dancing, you can make new friends... Believe me, been there, done that...
If you still have not had that experience, we'll go out together during the SCC in Atlanta with some newly made local girlfriends, if you like...
And Leslie, this is sooo easy to do that, once you have done it, you wonder why you fussed so much about it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leslie Langford
The girls at the cosmetic counters in the large department stores, used to intimidate me as well at first, because you know that they'll read you from "behind the horizon"...
However, if you approach them and tell them that you having a hard time with being a girl and need all the advise you can get, you'll be surprised at how accommodating they are... I had several make-overs done in plain public view and there is really nothing to it... You sit in "the chair" and you think that you are the focus of the attention of everyone that passes by, but to your utter surprise you'll notice that all just go about their business... And if someone stops to observe you, they usually give you some encouragement!
So please, try it... there is nothing to it and it is a thrill!
And finally, for me the ultimate experience would be the moment when I notice that the hormones have done their job in softening my facial features, so that passing becomes easier and easier, until to the point that I don't need to use makeup anymore when going out...
Why? Obviously it would make me the happiest girl in the world!
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Dita.
To me, the most feminine experience is the one I am having right at that moment. I feel that it's not what I do when I go out, it's the fact that I do go out. I go shopping, to antique stores, museums, restaurants, get makeovers (or consultations, as they call them these days :)), and more. Basically, although I don't really know how to be feminine - I was never a woman, how can I know - my little personal femininity suits me just fine.
Today I am planning on a nice relaxing girly day. I'll get a consultation/makeover, get a manicure, go shopping, and just bask in a girly glow all day. That will be my next "most feminine experience."
Kathi
Kathi, I don't think that's true or accurate. Femininity is not something that is only inherent to genetic females. We all, males and females alike, have some masculine and feminine traits. Women, due to their physical and hormonal makeup, have a natural predisposition towards feminine behavior, and the reverse is true for men. However, it is not exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kathi
For me, I think the ultimate feminine experience, short of a full-blown great big ornate white dress wedding, would be like what I described in the ultimate night out thread. I want to wear the really pretty cocktail dress, with really wonderful lingerie underneath, the heels, the hosiery, the jewelry....and be treated like a very special lady for the entire evening. I want dancing, and drinks, and dinner, and the whole works.
To be treated like a woman by a man in every way......
Most fun for me is dancing in straight clubs.
Tied for second:
Going out with my GG friends.
Group social dance lessons.
Going to concerts and other events. Classical/opera/dance concerts are best because I can dress to the nines.
I also had fun when a GG friend took me to get a consultation at Bobbi Brown in Nordstroms. She said my foundation and lip colors were a bit off (she was right!)
Tied for third:
Shopping, shopping and shopping
For me first would be the wedding dress followed in second place by pregnancy
"Leslie, honey, just do it. You'll love it."
Hugs...Joni Mari
"And Leslie, this is sooo easy to do that, once you have done it, you wonder why you fussed so much about it...
The girls at the cosmetic counters in the large department stores, used to intimidate me as well at first, because you know that they'll read you from "behind the horizon"...
However, if you approach them and tell them that you having a hard time with being a girl and need all the advise you can get, you'll be surprised at how accommodating they are... I had several make-overs done in plain public view and there is really nothing to it... You sit in "the chair" and you think that you are the focus of the attention of everyone that passes by, but to your utter surprise you'll notice that all just go about their business... And if someone stops to observe you, they usually give you some encouragement!
So please, try it... there is nothing to it and it is a thrill!"
:hugs:
:love:
Dita.
Thank you so much for the encouragement, ladies. Actually, I'm almost there...
Earlier this year, I was out shopping en femme at the Bay in Toronto's Scarborough Town Centre, and had already made up my mind to approach one of the gals at the MAC counter to ask about getting a professional makeover done. A section of the Bay's ladies' wear deparment is just adjacent to it, and while browsing the racks, I kept glancing over to the MAC counter to see when it would be free of customers so that I could make my move without an audience.
Just as such an opportunity arose, the only girl serving there at that point walked over to the next-door Lancome counter to have a chat with her counterpart there. "Curses, foiled again!" I muttered under my breath in my best Snidely Whiplash impression and prepared to walk away to leave this for another, more opportune time.
Well, the hand of fate stepped in, and just as I was passing the MAC girl's counter on my way out to the mall, she decided to head back and we crossed paths. She made eye contact with me and gave me a big smile and a warm "Hi", which triggered the adrenaline rush I needed to go for it.
I followed her back to her counter, identified myself as a crossdresser (duh!), and told her that I had always wanted to have a professional makeover done, asking if that was something MAC could do for me. Without missing a beat, she replied "certainly!", and inquired if I wanted to have this makeover done right now, as she was free. I declined, telling her that I would prefer not to just yet in such a public setting, and asked if there were any other options.
She didn't see it as being such a huge deal, but did say that there was a stand-alone MAC store in the mall with private booths that I might like better. She then provided me with a phone number to make an appointment as well as the name of an artist there who she wanted to recommend, and we left it at that.
Given this very positive initial reaction, I have every intention now on following up by having this MAC makeover done. I am, however, waiting for my wife to go out of town in early July so that I won't be rushed and also be able to get in a full day of shopping with my new look. I also want to be able to come home with my full make up still on without having any "splainin'" to do, as well as perform a final post mortem on the techniques used so that I can try to repeat the MAC artist's work on my own the next time I go out.
Between my positive experience with MAC so far and your encouragement, I'm really "pumped" now!:):battingeyelashes:
I am suprized so many gals say the wedding! That would be high on the list of fem experiences.
For me the ultimate feminine experience is what comes next: the consumation!
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To feel some one else actually INSIDE you! Wowow. That is the ultimate feminine experience for me. :heehee:
My ultimate feminine experience was in 1989 when my wife and I renewed our wedding vows both dressed in matching white wedding dresses complete with veil. A friend marched us down the aisle to the defrocked Catholic Church Archbishop who performed the ceremony. The photo below shows Melanie walking down the aisle.
And a good thing too; imagine spaghetti sauce all over that beautiful white blouse. You would've just hated yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by deborah jane
Dinner, wine, conversation, desert. Maybe dancing or a nice play. Then home where I would tease him unmercifully in the car and then go up to me apartment alone. At least that's how I think it is supposed to go
This for me too, is (and was my) ULTIMATE FEMININE EXPERIENCE :c9:Quote:
Originally Posted by TGMarla
Just going out in public enfemme is all the uber-fem experince I really need!!
I thought blondes knew how to have more fun? I wouldn't have stopped at the teasing. I would have had him open the door first to the apartment before I tossed him out. :heehee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorileah
Well, O.K., if that's the way you want to play it :sad:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorileah
But then, don't go crying to your girlfriends about why he won't call and make them explain to you yet again that he's just not that into you.
Sometimes, those "playing hard to get" tactics can backfire miserably, and all you get for your efforts is ending up sitting alone in front of your television set in your bathrobe and fuzzy slippers on a Saturday night watching a chick flick and bawling your eyes out while bingeing on a tub of Haagen-Dasz ice cream.
And you know that you might just as well apply that calorie-laden ice cream directly to your hips, not to mention the fact that you're going to have to do double-duty at the gym the next time to work it off :tongueout.
Men are such pigs! :D.
I agree same for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Desiree2bababe
My ultimate feminine experience: To be taken out to a nice romantic restaurant, slow dancing in a low lit club, plenty of good drink and sexual conversation, touching and teasing before leaving the club, teasing my seducer in the car all the way home, a long passionate deep kiss at the door, then send him home??? I don't think so!!!!! I want it all!!!!!!!!!!! :devil:
There are many experiences that I regard as feminine that I love or that I would love to have. Most of these are thought of as feminine because of social constructions; there's nothing wrong with that, but it happens to be one of the main reasons that some people distain crossdressers (because crossdressers violate the constructed expectations for their sex).
Part of the pleasure that we take in our male or female roles comes from our achievement of such expectations.
All that being said, I have to agree with those who have said that pregnancy would be the ultimate feminine experience. I would add, just to be clear, that I would want the whole experience--getting pregnant, carrying the baby, giving birth, nursing and caring for the baby in its infancy.
A woman's bond with her child is unique and amazing.
I don't think I want that at all. Guys don't read those Harlequin romances. I want to be treated BETTERQuote:
Originally Posted by Mistybtm
Hey That's MY lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Leslie Langford
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Interesting answers: I think your idea of the ultimate feminine experience must say a lot about where you sit in the CD/TG spectrum.
I'm not interested in the wedding dress idea, I don't like the idea of sex with a man, I have no wish to be pregnant or bear a child.
My CDing activity is only about the clothing and appearance, not the feminine sexual experience.
I suppose as far as I want to go is being out in public presenting as a woman. So I've done that, I can relax, it's all downhill from here on.
This has happened and I'll never forget it but its a bit naughty. After sleeping with a man putting your head in his chest and ... I can't go further. Eventually we fell asleep together holding each other. I felt like a woman so much and was treated as such. Beautiful!
OH MY!,
I want the tall, dark, and handsome gelntlemen in a candle lit resturaunt. Conversation involving
wine, art, funnies, etc... Myself dolled to the nines in this double breasted pink skirt-suit I'm saving for just this occassion. Pink sheer hose with way lacy panties and matching bra. My pink high heels. I want to drink wine and flirt, slow easy touching, laughing. Be taken home for the goodnight kiss, which would have to be good,if so, make slow passionite love. Whew!!!
Any of you girls have a tall,hansome, gentleman for a brother? Man I'm naughty!
Love Ya'll,
Rachel Beth
Originally Posted by Miranda09
My ultimate feminine experience: To be taken out to a nice romantic restaurant, slow dancing in a low lit club, plenty of good drink and sexual conversation, touching and teasing before leaving the club, teasing my seducer in the car all the way home, a long passionate deep kiss at the door, then send him home??? I don't think so!!!!! I want it all!!!!!!!!!!!
I would have to go with what Miranda09 said plus wearing a wedding grown would be nice also.
As far as giving birth you all can have that one. I had gull stones back in the 1980's and the doctor told me then that was about the same amount of pain that a woman would go through giving birth. I don't ever want to go through that again.
Definitely the wedding. Then the honeymoon where we would consumate the marriage. And then missing my period if u know what I mean.
First, my first make-up session at a MAC store....in the private room, completely dressed except my wig and top, in my skirt, long-line bra, heels, etc, with the attendant lovingly making me up as we chatted about cross-dressing.
The second was -without a doubt- slow dancing with a really nice guy whom I met at a club in Seattle. The feeling of his hand on my backside, my arms around his neck......oh, Lord!
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Borderline TMI.:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by tricia_uktv
From my perspective, guy's actions or opinions might be interesting (:o) but certainly not the ultimate for me.
For me, the ultimate would be to be out in public with a group of GGs and to fit in so well mentally and physically that they either don't figure out that I'm not a GG, or they aren't sure, or even if they know they totally forget that I'm not a GG because I fit in so well as a feminine person.
If I can fit in smoothly with GGs, guys would be no sweat (if I could ever find any interest in guys!).
tina
Being accepted as one of the girls by female friends.
Carol
I did go out a few times.. what I would want would be maybe to not worry one way or the other.. I mean what reactions are or worry about .. ... ... well anything really, whatever comes to mind.. I wasn't dressed to pass although at the time I was.. looking back now I know that passing was a distant second to just being there in the moment I guess.. it's like having some sort of control, I have to have control because going out seems very nearly impossible at any given time.. having such a set amount of control means I really didn't want to be seen by a lot of people.. but I'm kinda that way when in male mode too..
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Originally Posted by Desiree2bababe
Go get me a beer.
Hi Leslie,Quote:
Originally Posted by Leslie Langford
I find this really interesting, because having a makeover done at a store is the one thing I have been able to pluck up the cojones to do. In drab, no less. I've been far too shy to try anything else, so you're otherwise light-years ahead of me. I've really been jonesing to pick up a wig or two recently.
So how's this sound: Tomorrow, you go and get yourself a makeover, and I'll stop by the local wig shop and get fitted. Deal?
Ahh, I take it you see massive pain as the "Ultimate feminine experience"Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieTV
Dinner, wine, conversation, desert. Maybe dancing or a nice play. Then home where I would tease HER unmercifully in the car and then go up to me apartment alone. I think that is how it's supposed to go, for me anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorileah
Ha ha ha ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leslie Langford
I have no fuzzy slippers, but that is pretty much what my saturday nights are like, except I try not to cry into my Ben & Jerry's Phish Food.Quote:
all you get for your efforts is ending up sitting alone in front of your television set in your bathrobe and fuzzy slippers on a Saturday night watching a chick flick and bawling your eyes out while bingeing on a tub of Haagen-Dasz ice cream.
Yes! And they suck! And they're assholes, and they...uh oh, wait a minute...damn. Well I'm just going to have to get that taken care of.Quote:
Men are such pigs! :D.
I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorileah
Me too.Quote:
I want to be treated BETTER
Ur doin it wrong. It's:Quote:
Originally Posted by MissConstrued
"Go get me a beer, woman, the game is on. And while you're in the kitchen, start up my Hungry Man XXL. And bring in some chips, dip and vienna sausages, I need an appetizer before that."
chug-a-lug
"Woman, bring me another beer. Buuuurp. Fart."
Veronica
Rondelle (Ron) Rogers Jr.
Oh Gosh, I think I'm already having a lot of those experiences!
But to keep this thread going and to answer your question, so far I've never been "wined and dined" in the ultimate CD/Date Scenario. And, I'm not so sure I want to have the experience. We all know how it ends up in The CD Fiction.....don't think I want to "go there!"
Peace and Love, Joanie
For me my greatest ambition is to go to a major ball dressed in an exquisite full length gown with all the bits - jewelry and shoes a la bling bling, professionally applied make-up, hair done etc ...
Actually, I ordered the dress just over a week ago .... so watch this space.
Yep. Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruth
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Originally Posted by Miranda09
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All of the above . . . except I can't see me kissing the face of a hairy face male!Quote:
Originally Posted by GINA-CD
This is the ultimate one for me too:) I'd be the only CDer with a group of GGs yet the GGs would treat me not as a CDer but as "one of the girls" i.e not make any allowances for me because I'm crossdressed. It could be out at a club or out to dinner as friends or maybe at a bridal shower ... something that's "girls only" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TSchapes
I would love to be in a beauty contest and be the winner. How conceited is that? My whole drive behind crossdressing is to look your best in no matter what outfit or mood you are trying to explore. If I keep working at this and see improvement it drives me harder to go one better. Thats what this girl wnts to experance.flickr.com/photos/daviolin
the ultimate fantasy for me girls night out with a group of gg. get hit on by men tease them and then go home with the girls for a little lesbian sex,mmm.
hmm... ultimate eh? I think it would have to be doing everything possible to appear 100% feminine to prepare and then living that way for a week or two. During week it would be going out on a fun girl's night out, maybe driving cross country and staying at hotels and site-seeing. Wedding if I could be the bride and it could be fun to work a few nights as a female bartender or something.